Keystone XL Pipeline - Canada to USA

[Falcons_11]

President Obama rejected the building of the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada saying that it wasn't in the "national interest" of the United States. What is your opinion of Obama's decision that could possibly cost 40,000 jobs?

[Sailor Mars]

It's obvious that Obama is trying to switch to a more renewable energy based America, instead of relying on oil and other fossil fuels, so of course he's going to reject a huge fucking oil pipeline. I think it's a smart move because we can put money towards creating jobs that are with solar/wind/water energy bases instead.

[sqishy]

The better choice was made.

[Vlerchan]

[..] could possibly cost 40,000 jobs?
How will it create 42,000 jobs?

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I'm also not sure if Keystone will make as significant a contribution to climate change as it's detractors claim, but it's probably better to reduce where possible anyways.

[StoppingTom]

Considering that a fusion reactor will be launching very soon in Europe, I believe the President is looking towards the future of energy as opposed to a huge, non-renewable source of energy.

[phuckphace]

lmao the only thing Obama is looking forward to is his fat ex-presidential salary and personal detachment of the SS (Secret Service).

I read somewhere that the Trans-Alaska pipeline turned out to be a boon for the local wildlife as they were attracted to the radiated heat, and the deer and moose even used it as a singles meet-up.

[Professional Russian]

Fuck you obama. Fuck you. I could have made so much fucking money off that job if i got on it wouldnt have been funny. Fuck national interest. What about the americans that needs jobs. Pass the god damn bill. Fuck me sideways

[StoppingTom]

Fuck you obama. Fuck you. I could have made so much fucking money off that job if i got on it wouldnt have been funny. Fuck national interest. What about the americans that needs jobs. Pass the god damn bill. Fuck me sideways

You do realize once fusion energy becomes the standard, the entire oil industry will be more or less useless? That job you want wouldn't be very lucrative for very long.

[Professional Russian]

You do realize once fusion energy becomes the standard, the entire oil industry will be more or less useless? That job you want wouldn't be very lucrative for very long.

You've obviously never seen a pipeliners paycheck. I dont care how long it lasts because when you're pipelining you never stop and you get paid real fucking good to do it. I don't care about alternative energy right now. I care about the oil and gas business and where the next big jobs be and this was it. And now I'm pissed fucking obama didnt pass it.

[StoppingTom]

You've obviously never seen a pipeliners paycheck. I dont care how long it lasts because when you're pipelining you never stop and you get paid real fucking good to do it. I don't care about alternative energy right now. I care about the oil and gas business and where the next big jobs be and this was it. And now I'm pissed fucking obama didnt pass it.

It's going to be the standard within 10-15 years, with the demand for oil tapering off as that approaches with more alternative forms of energy becoming more reliable. It's just not feasible to think you'll be set for life within that very short amount of time.

[Professional Russian]

It's going to be the standard within 10-15 years, with the demand for oil tapering off as that approaches with more alternative forms of energy becoming more reliable. It's just not feasible to think you'll be set for life within that very short amount of time.

I won't be set for a life but when the alternative energy starts taking over you'll be able to move over jobs to building what they want. Welders are useful everywhere and I can from job to job if I have to. I'm not worried about the next 10 to 15 years I'm worried about now and making a living for myself now.

[StoppingTom]

I won't be set for a life but when the alternative energy starts taking over you'll be able to move over jobs to building what they want. Welders are useful everywhere and I can from job to job if I have to. I'm not worried about the next 10 to 15 years I'm worried about now and making a living for myself now.

Oh, that makes sense, I didn't know that was what you wanted to do. If that's the case, why not just work as a welder for the fusion reactors being built now?

[Professional Russian]

Oh, that makes sense, I didn't know that was what you wanted to do. If that's the case, why not just work as a welder for the fusion reactors being built now?

I love living the pipeliner life. It's hard work and long hours but when you get time off you're playing and you're playing hard its great. I doubt the fusion reactors will match my pay grade plus I like switching over to hoe operator when I need a break so pipelinings just a good fit for what I like to do.

[Porpoise101]

I love living the pipeliner life. It's hard work and long hours but when you get time off you're playing and you're playing hard its great. I doubt the fusion reactors will match my pay grade plus I like switching over to hoe operator when I need a break so pipelinings just a good fit for what I like to do.
Aren't there other pipes? I know welding is useful but maybe pipelines are going to die out because that is what has happened in a lot of trades. I mean, no one goes to get a cooper to build coops for their farms. It's the same situation. Good luck man I hope things go alright though

[Uniquemind]

Well 3 things:

1. The Canadian company who originally sponsored the Keystone pipeline, has actually requested they pull the project altogether regardless of what the USA's policy is. This is due in part because of the change in power of the Canadian election. (again nobody here talked about Canada's elections....Lol)

Based on the oil industry's behavior and weak maintenance of their company's infrastructure (fear of losing valuable oil isn't enough for them to be monitoring and fixing their damaged pipelines), I really don't think Obama made the wrong decision here.

Not to mention the pipeline would've run under a lot of individual property farmland, and a lot of those farmers don't want that pipeline going through their property.


Let's also not forget that oil industry drilling through shale rock beds causes Earthquake economic damage to communities, the USA state of Oklahoma is a good example of this.

Payout, is not worth the total objective cost, only for those in the oil industry, and if the law forced this topic to be fair with oil companies using their profits to help those affected by the Earthquakes, Oil train cars exploding and flattening communities and causing people to go to get medical help or funeral costs: there is no real profit.


Only perceived profit, under limited liability legal speak.

[Professional Russian]

Aren't there other pipes? I know welding is useful but maybe pipelines are going to die out because that is what has happened in a lot of trades. I mean, no one goes to get a cooper to build coops for their farms. It's the same situation. Good luck man I hope things go alright though

No there will always be a need for welders whether structural or pipeliners or fabricators it doesn't matter there always be a need and seeing as how im actually a better structural welder than pipe welder I could switch on over to building buildings with realitive ease because I know how to do it already

[phuckphace]

Fuck national interest. What about the americans that needs jobs.

these two statements together are pretty lol-worthy, js

[Sir Suomi]

As a Nebraskan, I approve of the decision. The Ogallala Aquifer is vital to our state, and anything that could harm it is unacceptable.

[Porpoise101]

As a Nebraskan, I approve of the decision. The Ogallala Aquifer is vital to our state, and anything that could harm it is unacceptable.
I'd just like to say that it's pretty refreshing to see a right winger online who appreciates natural resources. I find it sad how many of the politicians in our country oppose conservation but many of the actual Republicans I meet find it important. As a fellow Midwesterner, our aquifers and lakes are very critical to the environment and economy so it's good to see common sense alive and well.

[Judean Zealot]

I don't have a thorough knowledge of the particular debate here, but I will chime in and say that we must respect the world we live in, and as such should all be making the transition to cleaner forms of energy.

[phuckphace]

I'd just like to say that it's pretty refreshing to see a right winger online who appreciates natural resources. I find it sad how many of the politicians in our country oppose conservation but many of the actual Republicans I meet find it important. As a fellow Midwesterner, our aquifers and lakes are very critical to the environment and economy so it's good to see common sense alive and well.

hey imma environmentalist too

I don't care for fossil-fuel pollution but at the same time I'm a bit skeptical about most of the proposed replacements. I imagine for the time being, fossil fuel energy that is heavily regulated to reduce emissions and the danger of spills is the only "workable" solution.

I'd be okay with some sort of alternative route for the pipeline...then again that aquifer is huge so tbh I'm not sure if that would be possible

[Porpoise101]

In my state they are using lots of wind power but out west I would assume solar is a very viable alternative combined with hydroelectric (the West is all dammed up). Also by 2050 they expect fusion reactors to be a thing so we have to hold out till then.