Worst Dictator?

[Salad_Baby]

So here's an idea - who do you believe was/is the worst dictator in human history? By 'worst', I'm quite liberal as to what you define that word to mean, but in my mind the criteria would include, just to give some food for thought, the pure cruelty and unnecessary death behind their regime; the total dominance and influence they had over the lives of their populace; the long term impact they had on their nation etc.

I'm interested to hear your guy's views. Feel free to justify your opinion below, and do say if you think I've mistaken some on my poll list, or if you have another dictator who you believe to the worst (vote 'other' on the poll!)

[Stronk Serb]

Well, what are your worst dictators?

For me, that guy Mugabe, Idi Amin, Pol Pot

[Salad_Baby]

Well, what are your worst dictators?

For me, that guy Mugabe, Idi Amin, Pol Pot

I've voted Stalin on the poll I made - I believe I hadn't created it when you posted your list. You'll have to decide on your 'favourite' (if that's an appropriate word), as it's a single vote only.

[Stronk Serb]

I've voted Stalin on the poll I made - I believe I hadn't created it when you posted your list. You'll have to decide on your 'favourite' (if that's an appropriate word), as it's a single vote only.

Honestly, Stalin left a legacy. A strong industry and a world superpower. Yes, he did kill 15% of the population, you cannot justify that but he didsome good things too. Pol Pot? Killed a quarter if his population and left a shithole. Mugabe? That black supremacist lmao. Also that guy who ran the Congo Free State...

[Salad_Baby]

Honestly, Stalin left a legacy. A strong industry and a world superpower. Yes, he did kill 15% of the population, you cannot justify that but he didsome good things too. Pol Pot? Killed a quarter if his population and left a shithole. Mugabe? That black supremacist lmao. Also that guy who ran the Congo Free State...

I agree strongly with the idea that Stalin left a substantial legacy - he modernised a nation desperately in need of change. However, I don't believe these changes had to come about through millions upon millions of death -especially damning when considering these were his own people. These deaths either came about through extremely poor planning on Stalin's behalf, or, in what I believe to be the worst aspect of Stalin's rule, out of his own paranoia. His waves of purges and show trials killed and banished millions, most of whom being completely wrongly convicted of their crimes whilst also being some of the most loyal to the regime.

[Stronk Serb]

I agree strongly with the idea that Stalin left a substantial legacy - he modernised a nation desperately in need of change. However, I don't believe these changes had to come about through millions upon millions of death -especially damning when considering these were his own people. These deaths either came about through extremely poor planning on Stalin's behalf, or, in what I believe to be the worst aspect of Stalin's rule, out of his own paranoia. His waves of purges and show trials killed and banished millions, most of whom being completely wrongly convicted of their crimes whilst also being some of the most loyal to the regime.

Yeah, but he shouldn't be rated lowest. There are far worse scum there.

[Vlerchan]

1. Mao
2. Leopold II
3. Pol Pot

There's a good chance I'm just forgetting people here.

[SethfromMI]

I guess I would go with the one who killed the most innocent people, but I know the numbers can be disputed

[Southside]

Probably go with Mao, Hitler, or Stalin.

[sqishy]

I don't know enough about the options to give my choice - Hitler is the default option of course by most people, but I'm not going with that.

[phuckphace]

Stalin killed the most people iirc. Leopold II's body count was lower but he gets a mention as well since he was particularly barbaric

[Shiny Moon]

Mao is the one that killed most people as far as I know, so I'll go with him. Stalin comes second and Hitler third.

[phuckphace]

yeah I guess Mao was worst

I like how he killed off so many of his own countrymen but still ended up with a billion people anyway

[Shiny Moon]

Yeah... China probably would have worse population problems if it wasn't for Mao. Anyway, they will really have them now that the government removed the "one child per couple" law.

Accordint to this (http://i.imgur.com/eyUnc.jpg) he killed more people than all the other dictators combined :O

[dxcxdzv]

Mao killed 2 billion birds. D:

But... Are we talking about barbary&co or politics? I mean, Hitler did great things too.

[StoppingTom]

I'll have to go with the Kims, because not only are they horrible leaders who put citizens in concentration camps and have hoarded the country's resources for themselves, but they are also hilariously incompetent in the eyes of the world.

They are truly the "worst" dictators if you take into consideration both definitions of "worst dictator"

[Stronk Serb]

I'll have to go with the Kims, because not only are they horrible leaders who put citizens in concentration camps and have hoarded the country's resources for themselves, but they are also hilariously incompetent in the eyes of the world.

They are truly the "worst" dictators if you take into consideration both definitions of "worst dictator"

Pol Pot did the same thing, but in a quicker fashion. He killed off 25% of the entire Cambodian population through forced labour or execution. Also he left a legacy that you can't see a smiling Cambodian, not even today. In North Korea, if you display no dissident behaviour and do not discuss the glorious leader unless asked to praise him, high chances are you won't end up in the camp. I also think the living standard went up after they took power.

[phuckphace]

aEON's avatar depicts a typical Cambodian under Pol Pot

I hear they still got boneyards over there with big piles of skulls and shit. jeezus

[Shiny Moon]

Mao killed 2 billion birds. D:

But... Are we talking about barbary&co or politics? I mean, Hitler did great things too.

Just barbary/horrible stuff I think.

Yeah, Hitler did many horrible things, but he also did many great things. In less than 10 years he transformed a ruined Germany in a world power.

[phuckphace]

Yeah, Hitler did many horrible things, but he also did many great things. In less than 10 years he transformed a ruined Germany in a world power.

Hitler also had millions of his own people killed due to him being a paranoid megalomaniac who wouldn't listen to the advice of his generals. the ones he didn't kill were basically slated to become corporate serfs under Hitlerism. his incompetence and arrogance made everything he did a disaster for the country, and you left out the part where Germany ended up even more ruined than when he started.

[Judean Zealot]

Just barbary/horrible stuff I think.

Yeah, Hitler did many horrible things, but he also did many great things. In less than 10 years he transformed a ruined Germany in a world power.

-Which he promptly ruined, leaving Germany in the most devastated condition it has ever been in.

[Salad_Baby]

Pol Pot did the same thing, but in a quicker fashion. He killed off 25% of the entire Cambodian population through forced labour or execution. Also he left a legacy that you can't see a smiling Cambodian, not even today. In North Korea, if you display no dissident behaviour and do not discuss the glorious leader unless asked to praise him, high chances are you won't end up in the camp. I also think the living standard went up after they took power.

You should vote for Pol Pot on the poll if you feel this strongly about him. (wink wink nudge nudge)

[Miserabilia]

http://i.imgur.com/Wka6a.png

relevant for voting for stalin

I'd see why'd you'd vote hitler though

[NordicGuy]

Does it even make sense to ask that question? Does it even make sense to try and order the most inexplicable horrors in terms of "worseness"?
I don't think it makes any sense at all. All of them are "the worst".

[Jinglebottom]

Does it even make sense to ask that question? Does it even make sense to try and order the most inexplicable horrors in terms of "worseness"?
I don't think it makes any sense at all. All of them are "the worst".
This, but I still went with Hitler.

[Salad_Baby]

Does it even make sense to ask that question? Does it even make sense to try and order the most inexplicable horrors in terms of "worseness"?
I don't think it makes any sense at all. All of them are "the worst".

I did think this when writing, but the again I'm not trying to start anything serious here.

[StoppingTom]

aEON's avatar depicts a typical Cambodian under Pol Pot

I hear they still got boneyards over there with big piles of skulls and shit. jeezus

nice one m8

Yes, from what I understand that's true, that's some Mongol level stuff. At least the Mongols were actually okay if you just gave them some money.

[Stronk Serb]

You should vote for Pol Pot on the poll if you feel this strongly about him. (wink wink nudge nudge)

To be honest, the shitlist is too long to be made up entirely from one dictator, no matter what his ego.

[sqishy]

image (http://i.imgur.com/Wka6a.png)

relevant for voting for stalin

I'd see why'd you'd vote hitler though

Things only get more interesting with SI units; I once invented an SI unit of sarcasm named after a maths teacher (who was not actually that sarcastic). 1 Mulryan, or 1 Mr, is equal to one sarcastic comment made per minute.

It would also be interesting to see where Hitler, Stalin and the rest scored with the Mulryan units. Oh well..

[phuckphace]

Leopold II is pretty unheard of which is odd because he was literally worse than Hitler

like, he didn't just shoot a bunch of his subjects like most evil dictators do, he had many of them tortured gruesomely and a lot of Congo natives who "survived" had stumps and holes where limbs and eyes had been. the guy had to have been clinically psychotic

[Sir Suomi]

Phuckphace. Bastard won't stop until he's destroyed all of 'muh freedom.

[phuckphace]

haters gonna hate. you should see the latest cartoon Ben Garrison drew about me

[Judean Zealot]

Leopold II is pretty unheard of which is odd because he was literally worse than Hitler

like, he didn't just shoot a bunch of his subjects like most evil dictators do, he had many of them tortured gruesomely and a lot of Congo natives who "survived" had stumps and holes where limbs and eyes had been. the guy had to have been clinically psychotic

If you'd like I can give you some pretty gruesome accounts of what the nazis did. Hitler was at least as complicit in the workings of his camps as Leopold was in the workings of the free Congo state.

[phuckphace]

If you'd like I can give you some pretty gruesome accounts of what the nazis did. Hitler was at least as complicit in the workings of his camps as Leopold was in the workings of the free Congo state.

go for it, not that I disagree. maybe change it to just "literally Hitler"

idk neither me or anyone else I know had heard of him until about two years ago, needless to say I was pretty taken aback. didn't think Belgians had it in 'em.

[Shiny Moon]

-Which he promptly ruined, leaving Germany in the most devastated condition it has ever been in.

True, but it doesn't change the fact that he did good things too. :rolleyes:

[Judean Zealot]

Unfortunately, I don't have the books here in my apartment, so I'll just post a few stories from memory and mention the name of the book I got it from. I read all of these stories in first hand memoirs.

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In one of the camps, I forget which but I believe it was Mauthausen, the Nazis did not murder all the infants immediately as they came off the transports (as they usually did), but they let them stay in a nursery. Then one day, as the women came back from working, they saw all their babies being loaded into trucks to be killed. The Germans played this lullaby over the loudspeakers while all the mothers were screaming and crying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4icgYeJdzE
'Wenn die kleinen Babies schlafen, drum schlaf auch du.'
'When the little babies sleep, you sleep too.'
-While the German guards stood around laughing uproariously as if it were the funniest thing in the world.
(To Conquer the Dragon)

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This next story I read in the memoirs of a Jewish American lieutenant who liberated Büchenwald. A young teenager came over to him and asked him 'How does one repent for sins he has committed?' The lieutenant tried calming the boy, telling him that the suffering that he had gone through in the camps surely atoned for any sin he may have committed. Then the kid told him the story:

"My father and I worked out in the fields, picking the potatoes for the nazis. Starving as we were, we tried to each smuggle a potato back into camp to eat. We were caught by the Germans and they condemned my father to death by hanging. As I was younger, they decided to have "mercy" on me, and told me that they would let me go if I obeyed them. They brought my father and me out to the gallows, stood my father on a bucket, tied the noose around my father's neck, and told me to kick the bucket from under my father. I couldn't. The nazis screamed at me that they were going to kill me if I didn't obey. I shook my head no. Then my father slapped me across the face and yelled at me to listen, and blinded by tears, I kicked the bucket..."

Then the child turned to him and asked again, "How can I repent for killing my father?"
(Lieutenant Birnbaum)

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These are just two that popped into my head. There are so many more- rabbis forced to publicly defecate on Torah scrolls, Jews tied by their beards or legs to galloping horses, Jews dunked into vats of boiling glue and then left to die when it hardened, entire communities herded into synagogues which were then set on fire, infants' heads dashed on walls...

[Judean Zealot]

True, but it doesn't change the fact that he did good things too. :rolleyes:

He didn't do any good that outlived him, so I'm not sure how you can factor that in.

[Shiny Moon]

He didn't do any good that outlived him, so I'm not sure how you can factor that in.

That's not true. If you don't want to recognize it then it's a completely different matter.

-First laws against vivisection. We still have these, and more countries are adding them or similar regulations.
-First laws in favor of animal rights. Nowadays many laws about animal rights are based on the ones introduced by Hitler.
-They found the relation between smoking and lung cancer, and started the first big anti-tobacco movement of the modern era.
-Kdf-wagen, the beetle Volkswagen. I still see a lot of these on the streets.
-Reichsautobahn, most of these highways are still used today.
-Rockets. NASA has a lot to thank to Nazi scientists.
-New cinema technologies and techniques (by Goebbels), some of which are still used.
-They also made a lot of medical advances. I don't agree with the methods, but they improved the medicine, like it or not.
-Many health care and social programs used nowadays are based in or a similar to Nazi's.

[Judean Zealot]

I stand corrected. But you realise that the 'goodness' you've mentioned is so mind bogglingly eclipsed by the 50,000,000 deaths he caused and a decade of dreadful misery.

For that matter, Stalin achieved a far better legacy- quite a large chunk of modern mathematics and physics comes from the USSR and the universities it funded (compared with the negligible medical advances made by the nazis).

Many of the advances you've mentioned are debatable, but I don't even think that's necessary. You may as well say that Hitler wasn't so bad because he once gave a homeless guy a few Reichsmarks.

[DrumBoy]

True, but it doesn't change the fact that he did good things too. :rolleyes:
have you lost your mind?

[Salad_Baby]

I stand corrected. But you realise that the 'goodness' you've mentioned is so mind bogglingly eclipsed by the 50,000,000 deaths he caused and a decade of dreadful misery.

For that matter, Stalin achieved a far better legacy- quite a large chunk of modern mathematics and physics comes from the USSR and the universities it funded (compared with the negligible medical advances made by the nazis).

Many of the advances you've mentioned are debatable, but I don't even think that's necessary. You may as well say that Hitler wasn't so bad because he once gave a homeless guy a few Reichsmarks.

Don't forget that Stalin's paved the way for the USSR to create one of the world's most significant creation - Tetris!

[Exocet]

Compared to everyone in the list,Hitler was an angel.

[tovaris]

mussolini was an idiot

[Hyper]

Fucking hell people defending Stalin ITT.

I voted Mao, just because of the numbers.

[DrumBoy]

The fact that anyone on here is defending hitler because he supposedly did some good things (fun fact: he didn't. he was a egomaniacal psychopath dictator who spearheaded one of the worst genocides of all time and led his country ass-forward into an idiotic war that subsequently destroyed it completely) is thoroughly insane.

Here's an analogy for how mind-bogglingly absurd this is, if you still don't get it. Imagine we were discussing a serial murderer, who brutally killed and raped whole families, and then I said, "well, he wasn't all bad! He left a good tip at TGIF one time!"

P.S. all of my maternal ancestors were killed by nazis, during and before world war 2. This is not unique to me. Ask any jewish person in the entire world and they will undoubtedly be able to tell you about their many murdered ancestors.

[Judean Zealot]

The fact that anyone on here is defending hitler because he supposedly did some good things (fun fact: he didn't. he was a egomaniacal psychopath dictator who spearheaded one of the worst genocides of all time and led his country ass-forward into an idiotic war that subsequently destroyed it completely) is thoroughly insane.

Here's an analogy for how mind-bogglingly absurd this is, if you still don't get it. Imagine we were discussing a serial murderer, who brutally killed and raped whole families, and then I said, "well, he wasn't all bad! He left a good tip at TGIF one time!"

P.S. all of my maternal ancestors were killed by nazis, during and before world war 2. This is not unique to me. Ask any jewish person in the entire world and they will undoubtedly be able to tell you about their many murdered ancestors.

I can't. :)

I'm Sephardic.

[phuckphace]

Hitler was a vegetarian but all that did was underscore how unhinged he was (let's end animal cruelty while brutalizing our political enemies!) he also had plans to force the German population to stop eating meat, which means that in addition to being corporate serfs, they would've been weak, low-T and crap Raisinets. nice.

Hitler's main opposition to smoking was that cigarettes are a Judeo-capitalist conspiracy. had he delved a little deeper into the medical science he might have discovered the beneficial effects of nicotine and the fact that lung cancer has a genetic component.

Germans invented universal healthcare in the 19th century. nothing to do with Hitler.

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basically what happened is Germany (the bank) was being robbed so instead of just shooting the robber they burned down the whole thing

[Vlerchan]

[..] let's end animal cruelty while brutalizing our political enemies!
I find this - and hard-core enviormentalism - is quite pervasive amongst the far-right and in particular the racialist-right. Explanation forthcoming?

[phuckphace]

I find this - and hard-core environmentalism - is quite pervasive amongst the far-right and in particular the racialist-right. Explanation forthcoming?

-corporations pollute
-corporations are run by Jews
-ergo, pollution is a Jewish conspiracy!!

picture Shlomo Goldstein emptying a barrel of glowing blue radioactive waste over pristine Aryan lands. unless we stop him, of course.

[phuckphace]

@Vlerchan (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=89715) - I can get behind common-sense authoritarian environmentalism. corporate irresponsibility is no conspiracy for sure. but to state the obvious, it just doesn't make any sense to pursue such policies without a basic regard for humanity given that's the whole reason for embracing it. idk I just find this phenomenon very funny in Hitler-worshippers (he liked dogs, bigot!) suffice it to say if we're going to have an autocracy that legit cares about the environment, I'm the guy to run it.

[Stronk Serb]

I can't. :)

I'm Sephardic.

I laughed so hard at this. I also laughed so hard when Netanyahu tried defending Hitler too.

[Judean Zealot]

I laughed so hard at this. I also laughed so hard when Netanyahu tried defending Hitler too.

Netanyahu is a fool. Although it was Amin Al Husseini who offered to create the Bosnian nazi militias.

But in any event, my views on Hitler are quite well known here- I was merely making that response as a reminder that although the Ashkenazi Jews may think so, they are not the only Jewish community in the world. But he's right, almost every Jew of European descent- and they're the majority- has lost relatives to the Nazis.

[Stronk Serb]

Netanyahu is a fool. Although it was Amin Al Husseini who offered to create the Bosnian nazi militias.

But in any event, my views on Hitler are quite well known here- I was merely making that response as a reminder that although the Ashkenazi Jews may think so, they are not the only Jewish community in the world. But he's right, almost every Jew of European descent- and they're the majority- has lost relatives to the Nazis.

I still don't get it why he so staunchly hated Jews, was it for propaganda, because he was ill in the head or both? I saw some documents saying that out of all the minorities in WWI Germany, the Jews had the most mobilized and most casualties, so much casualties are because y'know, let's shove enough meat in the grinder so it gets stuck was a thing with tactics back then.

[Judean Zealot]

I still don't get it why he so staunchly hated Jews, was it for propaganda, because he was ill in the head or both? I saw some documents saying that out of all the minorities in WWI Germany, the Jews had the most mobilized and most casualties, so much casualties are because y'know, let's shove enough meat in the grinder so it gets stuck was a thing with tactics back then.

Hitler? He seemed to have originally associated all Jews with Communism, and then with his later genetic hookup he also saw Jews as an impure breed of foreigners.

Jews during the first world war were among the most patriotic Germans, that's why so many enlisted. I would imagine that the casualties were linked to the divisions they joined- combat ones.

Fun fact: WWI remains the only war fought outside the land of Israel in which significant amounts of Jews fought on opposing sides.

[Stronk Serb]

Hitler? He seemed to have originally associated all Jews with Communism, and then with his later genetic hookup he also saw Jews as an impure breed of foreigners.

Jews during the first world war were among the most patriotic Germans, that's why so many enlisted. I would imagine that the casualties were linked to the divisions they joined- combat ones.

Fun fact: WWI remains the only war fought outside the land of Israel in which significant amounts of Jews fought on opposing sides.

Serbia also had lots of patriotic Jews. Đorđe Weifert, our first governor of the national bank, donated a lot of cannons to our army. I still find that stereotype that Jews=Communism weird/illogical ir borh. Stereotypicaly Jews are bankers while communism is against bankers, seeing them as leeches of the honest worker. If we continue like this we are gonna derail the thread. Want to continue this via PM?

[Vlerchan]

I still find that stereotype that Jews=Communism weird/illogical ir borh.
Bolsheviks had a disproportionate amounts of Jews.

Frankfurt School was made up of more-or-less all Jews.

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Spoiler: It's because Jews tend to also hold disproportionate representation amongst the urban class.

[phuckphace]

I've been meaning to ask about the exact differences between the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim in die Judenfrage thread, thx 4 reminding me

[Falcons_11]

I chose Mao. He killed and imprisoned more people that Hitler and Stalin combined.

[phuckphace]

giving this a bump to say I've officially settled on Hitler as the worst dictator of all time. not because his body count was the highest, but because his shenanigans wrought irreparable damage to ethno-nationalism - a setback from which it will probably never recover.

anything Hitler touched has become tainted with death, even if you believe that Hitler was evil and ethno-nationalism can be achieved in ways other than mass-murder. were it not for ol' Adolf and crew, I could probably sell Phuckism to far more people. Blut und Boden is great stuff.

tl;dr fuck Hitler and I hope he's burning in Hell

[IloveAsa]

I feel Temujin (Gehngis Kahn) was much worse, military strategy wise he was amazing! He had some of the superpowers cowering in fear. But what makes him so bad is the shear amount of people that he killed. What he did is told feif he was targeting them, and they have two options join or have your glory taken forcefully and all your women and children beaten, raped and killed, then raped a bit more. It was disgusting.

His warfare, in my opinion, inspired Hitler's Blitzkrieg (translates to Lightning War), and he was the first to use Biological warfare (threw decaying bodies of dead soldiers and conquered peoples over city walls). In my opinion without Temujin we wouldn't have had the growth of these dictators, many of their tactics came from Mongolian ones.

[james wolf]

Just barbary/horrible stuff I think.

Yeah, Hitler did many horrible things, but he also did many great things. In less than 10 years he transformed a ruined Germany in a world power.

The world power of Germany we see in 1939 was based on lots of debt and so would never have continued in the long run.

[Vlerchan]

The world power of Germany we see in 1939 was based on lots of debt and so would never have continued in the long run.
Would you have any statistics as to the debt-to-GDP ratio or the source of the loaned funds?

[lacey02]

All bad guys... nice that no women are mentioned... just saying... :)

[Judean Zealot]

All bad guys... nice that no women are mentioned... just saying... :)

Women have rarely held sufficient power.

[james wolf]

Would you have any statistics as to the debt-to-GDP ratio or the source of the loaned funds?

This is the only source I can find atm, but I'm tired AF:

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/the-nazis-and-the-german-economy/

The government's income was 15bn Rm, their expenditure was over 30bn Rm, and their debt was at 40bn Rm.

The Wikipedia article on the Nazi Economy also mentions how Hitler was forced into war to continue running the economy;

"By 1939, the "overheating" of the German economy caused by rearmament, the failure of various rearmament plans produced by the shortages of skilled workers, industrial unrest caused by the breakdown of German social policies, and the sharp drop in living standards for the German working class forced Hitler into going to war at a time and place not of his choosing.[69] Mason contended that when faced with the deep socio-economic crisis the Nazi leadership had decided to embark upon a ruthless "smash and grab" foreign policy of seizing territory in Eastern Europe which could be pitilessly plundered to support living standards in Germany."

Also I remember learning when we studied the Nazis that they suffered arms shortages during their invasion of Poland, as they forced into war prematurely. Can't find any sources for this though, I'll search tomorrow.

[Not Matt Damon]

I would say both Kim Jong Il and Un are quite bad. I've been watching people who had escape the NK on youtube telling the world what is happening until now in that country. People are being made to believe that their leader is God, and telling lies about the rest of the world. I reckon dictatorship should be banished from this world.

[LilEmma]

Who needs history and other sciencies when we have youtube??? :D

[phuckphace]

Who needs history and other sciencies when we have youtube??? :D

http://i.imgur.com/VHWU3Aa.png

[LilEmma]

The world power of Germany we see in 1939 was based on lots of debt and so would never have continued in the long run.

What about USA 2015? ;)

[Leprous]

Did I just see Leopold II? Well, as a Belgian, I can say he's a horrible person. He has done allot of things for our country, large buildings and stuff, but yeah, incase some of you don't know, it's kindoff his fault Congo is very poor now, and I have seen people blame the Belgians for that. I think you can't blame a country for something a crazy king has done, but yeah.

I did vote for him, I don't actually see him as a real dictator. He didn't have all the power in Belgium when he was ruling, so yeah.

[hesaidhesaid]

Even though it says there Stalin to which I voted, I would have said a split between Mao, Stalin and Hitler. Each used murder and voluntary indifference against their own or others to demonstrate power or policy. Sad but "necessary"

[phuckphace]

Mao = born a low class ultra-prole, may win the award for "guy with the biggest chip on his shoulder to ever acquire power".
Stalin = wasn't even Russian, but Georgian. in his mind, all those Russians he murdered were the out-group.
Hitler = Austrian, may have been the equivalent of Stalin in that regard. inept and prone to making stupid, irrational decisions (his stupidity was noted early on in WWI by his fellow soldiers) later caught syphilis and was probably addicted to morphine.

what I'm saying is if you're gonna do totalitarianism, I'm your guy

[mattsmith48]

Stalin because how long he was in power the high number of people he killed and hes the one who got closer to start WWIII.
Hitler is a close 2nd
Donald Trump could make this list if Americans are dumb enough to elect him

[phuckphace]

these ovens are gonna be YUUUGE and we're gonna make mattsmith48 pay for them

[roadwarrior]

Mao and Pol Pot were the worst dictator during their times.. too much violence occurs and they made nothing for their country except for promoting their ideologies and policies making it too worst than ever...