The Occult

[Tris]

Hello all, so I am very deeply involved with the Occult, especially with things like Alchemy, Freemasonry, Mysticism, Astrology, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, etc... I personally find it very intriguing and it can open up many doors to knowledge.

Is anyone else involved with the Occult? What do you think of it all?

[Uniquemind]

No. I was but I had bad experiences.

But I need to ask how aliens fit into the Occult.

[Tris]

No. I was but I had bad experiences.

But I need to ask how aliens fit into the Occult.

Where are you getting aliens from? never mentioned aliens in my post .-. lol

[Uniquemind]

Where are you getting aliens from? never mentioned aliens in my post .-. lol

The occult in the strictest definition means, "the unseen".

All ghostly, demonic, and spiritual phenomena, like invisibility, psychokinesis, etc. are all phenomena witnessed when the subject of aliens are also mentioned in great details.

Logically this implies a connection between the two worlds, it's just nobody wants to acknowledge it.


Further more, there are many lines of scripture in various religions, that when interpreted a certain way match he stereotypical description of a modern alien image that's synonymous with hollywood's idea of one.

Back then you called them, demons or nephillim, now in modern day we call em aliens and despite having access to historical records and old myths and legends, few seem to have spent effort connecting the dots.

You said you were heavily involved in the occult.

Where do aliens fall within the study of the unknown, and supernaturally unseen.

If you don't know then that's okay too. Hopefully I sparked your curiosity.

[Tris]

The occult in the strictest definition means, "the unseen".

All ghostly, demonic, and spiritual phenomena, like invisibility, psychokinesis, etc. are all phenomena witnessed when the subject of aliens are also mentioned in great details.

Logically this implies a connection between the two worlds, it's just nobody wants to acknowledge it.


Further more, there are many lines of scripture in various religions, that when interpreted a certain way match he stereotypical description of a modern alien image that's synonymous with hollywood's idea of one.

Back then you called them, demons or nephillim, now in modern day we call em aliens and despite having access to historical records and old myths and legends, few seem to have spent effort connecting the dots.

You said you were heavily involved in the occult.

Where do aliens fall within the study of the unknown, and supernaturally unseen.

If you don't know then that's okay too. Hopefully I sparked your curiosity.

Oh okay aha.. well, from my current understanding, I view aliens/gods/goddesses/demons etc as archetypes of different forces in the universe and also inside of ourselves. Traditionally, ancient cultures have made symbols like Gods and other things to represent certain archetypes. So I don't believe they are literal beings, just different forces.

We can't really understand the full spectrum of what "God" is, it's just way too massive and infinite to understand it. When we try to apply characteristics to "God" or other things, we can only really define them in human terms, giving it physical characteristics.

However, these different archetypes of "God" can be put down into physical forms so we can better understand them given that you can look beyond the physical form of it. One has to see what the colours mean, what the behaviour of this God/Goddess is.

I hope you can understand this somewhat, it's very complex.. to understand it more, I would recommend reading up some of Manly P Hall's works and also Carl Jung


Logically this implies a connection between the two worlds, it's just nobody wants to acknowledge it.


What I said in my last post with the physical forms and stuff of different archetypes is an example of this. In Alchemical/Hermetic terms, these two worlds have been called the One Thing and the One Mind, where they both cannot exist without the other.



Posts merged. Next time, please use the "multi" quote button. -Alluring

[dxcxdzv]

Alchemy is an archaic "science".

[sqishy]

I'm open to it and like certain views from certain regions of it, but I don't like popular western astrology and think it is too vague for even a metaphorical interpretation in general. I take a psychological view a lot with regards the 'occult' and related things, but it is not my only one. I don't call it the occult, by the way.
(I am no Richard Dawkins by any degree, regarding the western astrology.)

[Miserabilia]

The only door it can open is the door to leave the room when someone tries to convert me to an occult group :)

[Tris]

The only door it can open is the door to leave the room when someone tries to convert me to an occult group :)

There is solitary occult practitioners.. Occult groups aren't for everyone lol.. I've seen many different ones, like the order of Thelema, the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons.. Solitary seems to be better most of the time but it is easy to mislead yourself unless you have somebody experienced that can stop you if you're getting too far too soon or start getting into things that are dangerous and/or detrimental to not only physical health, but also emotional.

There have been cases where people have went literally nuts from abusing the kinds of things one can discover with the Occult if they want to go that far. Aleister Crowley was known to experiment with many different drugs to do experiments in the Occult. He went so deep into it that he soon became the "wickedest man in the world".

With groups, you really have to examine what they're all about. I've seen some groups that will talk about summoning demons and whatnot and getting them to carry out stuff you want them to do for you. Then there are groups that are all about knowing and following natural laws that govern the universe and also knowing yourself so that you can access this inner power and use it to help you without trying to overpower anything or forcing things outside of yourself to do your will.

[Arkansasguy]

Hello all, so I am very deeply involved with the Occult, especially with things like Alchemy, Freemasonry, Mysticism, Astrology, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, etc... I personally find it very intriguing and it can open up many doors to knowledge.

Is anyone else involved with the Occult? What do you think of it all?

No. That stuff is dangerous, I'd seriously advise you to get out as fast as possible.

[Judean Zealot]

No. That stuff is dangerous, I'd seriously advise you to get out as fast as possible.

I would agree. Philosophy is a far safer route to take, and will ultimately give more insight than the Occult. In the short run it appears as if the Occult provides the explanation to everything, but if one studies philosophy and mathematics long enough they will have a far more profound outlook on the world and man.

[sqishy]

I would agree. Philosophy is a far safer route to take, and will ultimately give more insight than the Occult. In the short run it appears as if the Occult provides the explanation to everything, but if one studies philosophy and mathematics long enough they will have a far more profound outlook on the world and man.

It could be argued that work regarding the 'occult'/etc gives experiences that philosophy cannot give; the immersive emotive experiences may be found in both, but in ritual work/etc it is more readily apparent, and little thinking needs to be done, if one wants to be 'open' to things. It's not my viewpoint absolute, but I see the occult and philosophy to be interconnected, yet irreducible in some way overall. Maybe a bit like eating a pizza, as opposed to simply cooking one for a customer.

[Uniquemind]

It could be argued that work regarding the 'occult'/etc gives experiences that philosophy cannot give; the immersive emotive experiences may be found in both, but in ritual work/etc it is more readily apparent, and little thinking needs to be done, if one wants to be 'open' to things. It's not my viewpoint absolute, but I see the occult and philosophy to be interconnected, yet irreducible in some way overall. Maybe a bit like eating a pizza, as opposed to simply cooking one for a customer.

There is a connection I agree.



Also when people talk about the occult though and new age stuffs, I can't help but feel like I'm talking about Star Wars' concept of "the force".

[Tris]

There is a connection I agree.



Also when people talk about the occult though and new age stuffs, I can't help but feel like I'm talking about Star Wars' concept of "the force".

I'm not really much into new age lol.. all that mainly interests me when it comes to Occult things are Freemasonry (which I am a member of), the Traditional Martinist Order, and Rosicrucianism. All these orders teach different things, mainly focused on knowledge of the self and following nature's laws, not fancy "ceremonial magick" to control things outside of yourself.

I've rather liked Freemasonry for what it is, ever since I have joined I've felt intrigued by the amount of character and morality that Masons have within the fraternity. My dad has been into the Knights of Columbus, but I've never really liked that one too much because it's a fraternity that strictly follows the Catholic Church. Masonry is more universal and supports whatever faith you believe, but we don't talk about religion or politics in lodge meetings because it would lead to arguments among members when we all are really trying to come together to grow as moral men.

[Uniquemind]

I'm not really much into new age lol.. all that mainly interests me when it comes to Occult things are Freemasonry (which I am a member of), the Traditional Martinist Order, and Rosicrucianism. All these orders teach different things, mainly focused on knowledge of the self and following nature's laws, not fancy "ceremonial magick" to control things outside of yourself.

I've rather liked Freemasonry for what it is, ever since I have joined I've felt intrigued by the amount of character and morality that Masons have within the fraternity. My dad has been into the Knights of Columbus, but I've never really liked that one too much because it's a fraternity that strictly follows the Catholic Church. Masonry is more universal and supports whatever faith you believe, but we don't talk about religion or politics in lodge meetings because it would lead to arguments among members when we all are really trying to come together to grow as moral men.


Lol when people say magic, most people's understanding of magic is a strawman "pop culture magic" that never really existed in the first place that's why no one can find it.


Real magic and occultism and all of that intersects with science on some level but it also differs from traditional science that you learn in school because it's hard for occultism to follow the scientific method as defined in school.

[phuckphace]

what about esoteric Hitlerism? if you didn't know, he was the incarnation of the Volksgeist

[Tris]

Lol when people say magic, most people's understanding of magic is a strawman "pop culture magic" that never really existed in the first place that's why no one can find it.


Real magic and occultism and all of that intersects with science on some level but it also differs from traditional science that you learn in school because it's hard for occultism to follow the scientific method as defined in school.

When it comes to "Magick", I prefer to use Crowley's definition of it: "The Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will".

What people do not realize is that "magick" is practiced everyday. Making a peanut butter sandwich could be classified as "magick" using this definition, because you had the idea of creating the sandwich, and then you did the action to create the idea that you had in your mind.

Realizing that it's really that simple, I hate to really call it "magick", because well, it's life itself. What we call "supernatural" or "miracles" are natural forces in the universe that we have yet to fully understand, if we CAN understand the full spectrum of it.

Also, with School, science nowadays is largely materialistic, but with quantum physics it's starting to veer in directions that cannot simply be explained with material terms, so we have to look back on what the ancients understood with natural laws and how consciousness literally creates the world around us.

I do not know if the whole world is ready to accept this knowledge, or rather, use this knowledge for the benefit of the world around us and not abuse it for greedy purposes.

What people do not realize with seeking this knowledge of self is that it can bring us into contact with things hidden within our very own subconscious, and some of those things are quite, well, disturbing and one has to be VERY prepared to deal with and get rid of these disturbing things within the mind. If one is not ready, it can lead to very drastic consequences, and these things in the mind will grow stronger because you became more aware of that part of your mind. On the contrary though, if one is prepared and properly instructed, then this can become very beneficial because one can become more disciplined with the mind and knows how to utilize the deeper parts of the mind for good.

Look at Hitler, he was very interested in the Occult, apparently he had a part of the Nazi order dedicated to research in the Occult. I do not know if he had any interest before becoming dictator or if it had any part to play in creating the horrible person he was, but either way, he DEFINITELY was NOT ready for it.

[Uniquemind]

Hitler also did drugs so...

He also probably had chip on his shoulder for being bullied as a little boy.

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I think what confuses people about the occult, is that it's results are inconsistent.

With regards to how the old world approached mysticism and stuff, a lot of old-wives tales, and myths originated from that time which physical science has objectively proven false with the scientific method in modern types.


So I ask you a question, where do you draw the line between the old world's truths vs what remains true about it.

A good one is alchemy, which in it's strictest terms in the material world means converting one substance into another, and in modern science we can do that with radioactive technology, but the old world wasn't doing anything that affects the proton count in substances.

So that does need explanation, can you provide that?

[Tris]

A lot of the ancient mysteries were not meant to be taken literally/materialistically.. Alchemy was a whole symbolic process of the transformation of the self. A lot of the myths and stuff were the result of the teachings being misinterpreted.

[Tris]

I will now take some of Manly P Hall's teachings on this... he talks a lot about the mysteries and the true meanings behind the myths..

"The great god Pan was celebrated as the author and director of the sacred dances which he is supposed to have instituted to symbolize the circumambulations of the heavenly bodies. Pan was a composite creature, the upper part-with the exception of his horns-being human, and the lower part in the form of a goat; the goat is both a phallic symbol and also an emblem of courage or aspiration because of its surefootedness and ability to scale the loftiest peaks. Hence, Pan is the prototype of natural energy and, while undoubtedly a phallic deity, should not be confused with Priapus. The pipes of Pan signify the natural harmony of the spheres, and the god himself is a symbol of Saturn (Satan) because this planet is enthroned in Capricorn, whose emblem is a goat. The Egyptians were initiated into the mysteries of Pan, who was regarded as a phase of Jupiter, the Demirugus. Pan represented the impregnating power of the sun and was the chief of a horde of rustic deities, panes, fauns, and satyrs. He also signified the controlling spirit of the lower worlds. Therefore, Satan (Pan) is not a spirit of destruction. There is no essential evil in the universe. Our present form of the devil is merely derived from the Greed nature god Pan. When the Mysteries were celebrated in ancient Egypt, there was an evil spirit called Typhon or Set who brought about the death of the good Osiris. It is the red Set that has given us our concept of the devil; but Set was nothing but the material world (passions, materialism), the ground of man's temptation, and also the environment in which he gains immortality through self-discipline. Therefore, Set(or Typhon - Serpent), or Satan (Pan) is divine oppurtunity; the world into which we come in ignorance but from which we depart in wisdom. Temptation is the price that the human race pays for intelligence, therefore the Serpent of Wisdom is also the eternal Tempter."

[Tris]

"Resurrection is the lifting up into Life and Light the spiritual nature which is within Man, not the raising of the dead from the grave. It is regeneration, the release of the spiritual entity from its material essence. These natural processes are accomplished by two cosmic motions. One of these is termed involution, or the descent of Life into Form. In this process, units of radiant energy take upon themselves ever more of the material elements, until they are hopelessly obscured by the forms with which they have surrounded themselves. This state is typified by the seed, the hard shell, and the living germ within. The second cosmic motion is evolution. This is life releasing itself from form by the process of growth. Immortality being the reward of wisdom; not immortality in the sense of perpetuation of the physical body with its infirmities, but rather a conscious participation in eternal life. By the evolutionary process all things are ultimately released from form and are restored to their divine state."

[sqishy]

"Resurrection is the lifting up into Life and Light the spiritual nature which is within Man, not the raising of the dead from the grave. It is regeneration, the release of the spiritual entity from its material essence. These natural processes are accomplished by two cosmic motions. One of these is termed involution, or the descent of Life into Form. In this process, units of radiant energy take upon themselves ever more of the material elements, until they are hopelessly obscured by the forms with which they have surrounded themselves. This state is typified by the seed, the hard shell, and the living germ within. The second cosmic motion is evolution. This is life releasing itself from form by the process of growth. Immortality being the reward of wisdom; not immortality in the sense of perpetuation of the physical body with its infirmities, but rather a conscious participation in eternal life. By the evolutionary process all things are ultimately released from form and are restored to their divine state."

You're leaning for a 'top-down' transcendental view, am I right?

[Uniquemind]

You're leaning for a 'top-down' transcendental view, am I right?


I always got the sense that occult was a more top-down-below, with interplay between all 3. (Inter connectedness/interplay)