Political Compass Survey

[tonymontana99]

Where do you land on the political compass?

Take the test: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I want to see where many of you goy-, I mean, guys, fall in.

Myself:
Right-wing authoritarianism (englightened monarchy/jewish shill/authoritarianism/conservatism)

You can also use these images for posterior reference:

http://www.candidatex.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/political-compass-zones.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yJYrEbl.png

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1391/65/1391658024398.jpg


https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1387/82/1387823532988.png


Also feel free to add your own images and links to similar surveys. Have fun!

[Gwen]

Right in the Authoritarian middle, where are my absolute monarchies at?

[sqishy]

From a previous thread I did:

Economic Left/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.28

Anarcho-Collectivist, says the graph.

[Ignoring most of the imagery here]

[tonymontana99]

From a previous thread I did:

Economic Left/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.28

Anarcho-Collectivist, says the graph.

[Ignoring most of the imagery here]

Don't worry, most of us start there :) I was an Anarcho-Communist just one year ago. Our duty is is to break free from that square. I'd recommend you reading Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy by Thomas Sowell. Really great book.

[Babs]

Hasn't this been posted before?

Economic Left/Right: -6.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

[sqishy]

Hasn't this been posted before?

Economic Left/Right: -6.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

Many times, yes.

Don't worry, most of us start there :) I was an Anarcho-Communist just one year ago. Our duty is is to break free from that square. I'd recommend you reading Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy by Thomas Sowell. Really great book.


Your patronising tone is most appreciated with very much sarcasm. I didn't know economics was a purely non-left-wing non-libertarianist ideaology though, thanks! :)
I will give your nice suggestion a lovely scan too. :)

[dxcxdzv]

I obtened :

Economic Left/Right: ∫e^i*∇x
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: (π*R∞)/0

Is that normal?

I think I'm in a different orthonormal existential plan than the one described here.
I think describing my political views is a bit more complicated than filling a form.

[sqishy]

I obtened :

Economic Left/Right: ∫e^i*∇x
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: (π*R∞)/0

Is that normal?

I think I'm in a different orthonormal existential plan than the one described here.
I think describing my political views is a bit more complicated than filling a form.

Good point

[Vlerchan]

Economic: -0.25, Social: -6.76

I don't understand economics, math[s] or science and prefer to read shitty incorrect literature instead.

Interesting.

I'd recommend you reading Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy by Thomas Sowell. Really great book.
Please don't.

[sqishy]

After looking up what collectivism means in this context, I question how accurate these tests really are, in light of my views (and absence of, too). I'm not a collectivist.

[Vlerchan]

After looking up what collectivism means in this context, I question how accurate these tests really are, in light of my views (and absence of, too). I'm not a collectivist.

The actual terms used to described the position were developed independent of the test. It's not something the creators endorse.

Regardless political compass tends to just be useful as far as mapping people relative to other people goes. I once had a crowd chart up mapping a whole bunch of users positions here but then there was some sort of glitch and it disappeared. If I get real bored I might recreate it.

[sqishy]

The actual terms used to described the position were developed independent of the test. It's not something the creators endorse.

That could be the reason, true.


Regardless political compass tends to just be useful as far as mapping people relative to other people goes.

A useful tool with a limited range of accuracy, yes.

I once had a crowd chart up mapping a whole bunch of users positions here but then there was some sort of glitch and it disappeared. If I get real bored I might recreate it.

I hope you find a few days of boredom in the near future then; I'm interested to see it!

[tonymontana99]

Economic: -0.25, Social: -6.76

I don't understand economics, math[s] or science and prefer to read shitty incorrect literature instead.

Interesting.


Please don't.

Wew lad, here comes the contrarian. Tell me, what would you recommend? The Communist Manifesto?

[Vlerchan]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdchart?Atom=-1.24%2C-5.78&Katie96xox=8.88%2C5.96&Stronk+Serb=-3.12%2C3.9&Luminous=-1.12%2C-2.41&Hollywood=-5.12%2C-3.49&Satan=-4.57%2C-5.33&Capto=-6.12%2C-4.56&sunnieseason=5.5%2C-6.0&transylvanian=0.0%2C-2.97&WaffleSingSong=2.25%2C-7.59&SoS=-4.5%2C-7.13&Oakheart=-1.25%2C-3.03&Melkor=-7.75%2C-6.51&Abyssal+Echo=-2.62%2C-1.54&AisleOfPlenty=2.75%2C-4.67&Alluring=-1.25%2C-4.26&ImCoolBeans=-5.62%2C-5.23&phuckphace=-5.38%2C4.67&lyhom=-3.62%2C-4.62&tasminsmith=0.5%2C3.8&World+Eater=-6.25%2C-5.49&Rick+Mason=-8.5%2C-7.69&Typhlosion=1.0%2C-2.51&Emerald+Dream=-3.75%2C-3.54&Dennis98=0.25%2C6.82&Horatio+Nelson=-1.75%2C0.36&Broken+Pen=-3.25%2C-1.69&Vlerchan=-0.25%2C-6.76&name=Paraxiom&ec=-7.63&soc=-9.28

I have no life it seems.

Wew lad, here comes the contrarian. Tell me, what would you recommend? The Communist Manifesto?
Hal Varian, Intermediate Microeconomics: A Modern Approach (http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Microeconomics-Modern-Approach-Edition/dp/0393934241).
Gregory N. Mankiw, Principals of Macroeconomics (http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Macroeconomics-Edition-Gregory-Mankiw/dp/1285165918).

Both can be found online for free in PDF form.

:)

[sqishy]

image (http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdchart?Atom=-1.24%2C-5.78&Katie96xox=8.88%2C5.96&Stronk+Serb=-3.12%2C3.9&Luminous=-1.12%2C-2.41&Hollywood=-5.12%2C-3.49&Satan=-4.57%2C-5.33&Capto=-6.12%2C-4.56&sunnieseason=5.5%2C-6.0&transylvanian=0.0%2C-2.97&WaffleSingSong=2.25%2C-7.59&SoS=-4.5%2C-7.13&Oakheart=-1.25%2C-3.03&Melkor=-7.75%2C-6.51&Abyssal+Echo=-2.62%2C-1.54&AisleOfPlenty=2.75%2C-4.67&Alluring=-1.25%2C-4.26&ImCoolBeans=-5.62%2C-5.23&phuckphace=-5.38%2C4.67&lyhom=-3.62%2C-4.62&tasminsmith=0.5%2C3.8&World+Eater=-6.25%2C-5.49&Rick+Mason=-8.5%2C-7.69&Typhlosion=1.0%2C-2.51&Emerald+Dream=-3.75%2C-3.54&Dennis98=0.25%2C6.82&Horatio+Nelson=-1.75%2C0.36&Broken+Pen=-3.25%2C-1.69&Vlerchan=-0.25%2C-6.76&name=Paraxiom&ec=-7.63&soc=-9.28)

I have no life it seems.


Hal Varian, Intermediate Microeconomics: A Modern Approach (http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Microeconomics-Modern-Approach-Edition/dp/0393934241).
Gregory N. Mankiw, Principals of Macroeconomics (http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Macroeconomics-Edition-Gregory-Mankiw/dp/1285165918).

Both can be found online for free in PDF form.

:)

Aha :D

[Judean Zealot]

image (http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdchart?Atom=-1.24%2C-5.78&Katie96xox=8.88%2C5.96&Stronk+Serb=-3.12%2C3.9&Luminous=-1.12%2C-2.41&Hollywood=-5.12%2C-3.49&Satan=-4.57%2C-5.33&Capto=-6.12%2C-4.56&sunnieseason=5.5%2C-6.0&transylvanian=0.0%2C-2.97&WaffleSingSong=2.25%2C-7.59&SoS=-4.5%2C-7.13&Oakheart=-1.25%2C-3.03&Melkor=-7.75%2C-6.51&Abyssal+Echo=-2.62%2C-1.54&AisleOfPlenty=2.75%2C-4.67&Alluring=-1.25%2C-4.26&ImCoolBeans=-5.62%2C-5.23&phuckphace=-5.38%2C4.67&lyhom=-3.62%2C-4.62&tasminsmith=0.5%2C3.8&World+Eater=-6.25%2C-5.49&Rick+Mason=-8.5%2C-7.69&Typhlosion=1.0%2C-2.51&Emerald+Dream=-3.75%2C-3.54&Dennis98=0.25%2C6.82&Horatio+Nelson=-1.75%2C0.36&Broken+Pen=-3.25%2C-1.69&Vlerchan=-0.25%2C-6.76&name=Paraxiom&ec=-7.63&soc=-9.28)

I have no life it seems.


Hal Varian, Intermediate Microeconomics: A Modern Approach (http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Microeconomics-Modern-Approach-Edition/dp/0393934241).
Gregory N. Mankiw, Principals of Macroeconomics (http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Macroeconomics-Edition-Gregory-Mankiw/dp/1285165918).

Both can be found online for free in PDF form.

:)

Where would you plot me?

[ChaosEarthquake]

I am actually more so a Right-Wing Conservative Capitalist

[Vlerchan]

Where would you plot me?
Hmm. I'm going to call to the moderate left on economics but surprisingly centred on social issues. I would imagine still in the red though. Somewhere between Horatio Nelson and phuckphace.

The test is in the OP so you can take it and see how close I place.

[Judean Zealot]

Hmm. I'm going to call to the moderate left on economics but surprisingly centred on social issues. I would imagine still in the red though. Somewhere between Horatio Nelson and phuckphace.

The test is in the OP so you can take it and see how close I place.

I took it before I asked. You got it perfect. :D

Although I must admit, this test doesn't factor in nuance, and is overwhelmingly engineered as a response to modern western politics, as opposed to a more broad examination of where one stands in his hypothetical ideal.

When you say "surprisingly", what do you mean?

[Sir Suomi]

Economic Left/Right: 6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.0

Spoiled-Child. Really?

Also Vlerchan, mind adding me to that compass? :P

[phuckphace]

>Thomas Sowell

Hmm. I'm going to call to the moderate left on economics but surprisingly centred on social issues. I would imagine still in the red though. Somewhere between Horatio Nelson and phuckphace.

The test is in the OP so you can take it and see how close I place.

I'm still at the same coordinates. I figured JZ would be close if not overlapping.

[Judean Zealot]

>Thomas Sowell



I'm still at the same coordinates. I figured JZ would be close if not overlapping.

I'm pretty close, but a little more to the right and down. They completely missed my whole aristocracy angle, otherwise I would've been slightly higher.

[Vlerchan]

Although I must admit, this test doesn't factor in nuance, and is overwhelmingly engineered as a response to modern western politics, as opposed to a more broad examination of where one stands in his hypothetical ideal.
I also find some of the propositions somewhat broad.

On the second criticism the authors themselves claim "[t]hat's why the Compass is being promoted in western democracies. We don't pretend that, for example, the responses of a citizen of a rural region of China can undergo the same evaluation process." I hold some strange views with regards to administration that go wholly unrecorded too.

When you say "surprisingly", what do you mean?
You hold a humanism [if that's the correct label] that not usual in modern authoritarian politics. That - and I think some of the nuances with regards to your views on the Enlightenment weren't going to be picked up.

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On a side note I presume people guessed in advance where I'd end up no problem?

Also Vlerchan, mind adding me to that compass?
There you go.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdchart?Paraxiom=-7.63%2C-9.28&Atom=-1.24%2C-5.78&Katie96xox=8.88%2C5.96&Stronk+Serb=-3.12%2C3.9&Luminous=-1.12%2C-2.41&Hollywood=-5.12%2C-3.49&Satan=-4.57%2C-5.33&Capto=-6.12%2C-4.56&sunnieseason=5.5%2C-6.0&transylvanian=0.0%2C-2.97&WaffleSingSong=2.25%2C-7.59&SoS=-4.5%2C-7.13&Oakheart=-1.25%2C-3.03&Melkor=-7.75%2C-6.51&Abyssal+Echo=-2.62%2C-1.54&AisleOfPlenty=2.75%2C-4.67&Alluring=-1.25%2C-4.26&ImCoolBeans=-5.62%2C-5.23&phuckphace=-5.38%2C4.67&lyhom=-3.62%2C-4.62&tasminsmith=0.5%2C3.8&World+Eater=-6.25%2C-5.49&Rick+Mason=-8.5%2C-7.69&Typhlosion=1.0%2C-2.51&Emerald+Dream=-3.75%2C-3.54&Dennis98=0.25%2C6.82&Horatio+Nelson=-1.75%2C0.36&Broken+Pen=-3.25%2C-1.69&Vlerchan=-0.25%2C-6.76&name=Sir+Suomi&ec=6.88&soc=-2

I'm also not sure how you ended up so far right on economics. Least when she took that test sunnieseason was an anarcho-capitalist and ended up further left.

[tonymontana99]

image (http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdchart?Atom=-1.24%2C-5.78&Katie96xox=8.88%2C5.96&Stronk+Serb=-3.12%2C3.9&Luminous=-1.12%2C-2.41&Hollywood=-5.12%2C-3.49&Satan=-4.57%2C-5.33&Capto=-6.12%2C-4.56&sunnieseason=5.5%2C-6.0&transylvanian=0.0%2C-2.97&WaffleSingSong=2.25%2C-7.59&SoS=-4.5%2C-7.13&Oakheart=-1.25%2C-3.03&Melkor=-7.75%2C-6.51&Abyssal+Echo=-2.62%2C-1.54&AisleOfPlenty=2.75%2C-4.67&Alluring=-1.25%2C-4.26&ImCoolBeans=-5.62%2C-5.23&phuckphace=-5.38%2C4.67&lyhom=-3.62%2C-4.62&tasminsmith=0.5%2C3.8&World+Eater=-6.25%2C-5.49&Rick+Mason=-8.5%2C-7.69&Typhlosion=1.0%2C-2.51&Emerald+Dream=-3.75%2C-3.54&Dennis98=0.25%2C6.82&Horatio+Nelson=-1.75%2C0.36&Broken+Pen=-3.25%2C-1.69&Vlerchan=-0.25%2C-6.76&name=Paraxiom&ec=-7.63&soc=-9.28)

I have no life it seems.


Hal Varian, Intermediate Microeconomics: A Modern Approach (http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Microeconomics-Modern-Approach-Edition/dp/0393934241).
Gregory N. Mankiw, Principals of Macroeconomics (http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Macroeconomics-Edition-Gregory-Mankiw/dp/1285165918).

Both can be found online for free in PDF form.

:)

Add me as well please, if you have the time.

Economic Left/Right: 3.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.62

[Vlerchan]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdchart?Sir+Suomi=6.88%2C-2.0&Paraxiom=-7.63%2C-9.28&Atom=-1.24%2C-5.78&Katie96xox=8.88%2C5.96&Stronk+Serb=-3.12%2C3.9&Luminous=-1.12%2C-2.41&Hollywood=-5.12%2C-3.49&Satan=-4.57%2C-5.33&Capto=-6.12%2C-4.56&sunnieseason=5.5%2C-6.0&transylvanian=0.0%2C-2.97&WaffleSingSong=2.25%2C-7.59&SoS=-4.5%2C-7.13&Oakheart=-1.25%2C-3.03&Melkor=-7.75%2C-6.51&Abyssal+Echo=-2.62%2C-1.54&AisleOfPlenty=2.75%2C-4.67&Alluring=-1.25%2C-4.26&ImCoolBeans=-5.62%2C-5.23&phuckphace=-5.38%2C4.67&lyhom=-3.62%2C-4.62&tasminsmith=0.5%2C3.8&World+Eater=-6.25%2C-5.49&Rick+Mason=-8.5%2C-7.69&Typhlosion=1.0%2C-2.51&Emerald+Dream=-3.75%2C-3.54&Dennis98=0.25%2C6.82&Horatio+Nelson=-1.75%2C0.36&Broken+Pen=-3.25%2C-1.69&Vlerchan=-0.25%2C-6.76&name=TM99&ec=3.0&soc=4.62

Done.

It's also been a long time since we've had an active blue-box poster.

[tonymontana99]

image (http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdchart?Sir+Suomi=6.88%2C-2.0&Paraxiom=-7.63%2C-9.28&Atom=-1.24%2C-5.78&Katie96xox=8.88%2C5.96&Stronk+Serb=-3.12%2C3.9&Luminous=-1.12%2C-2.41&Hollywood=-5.12%2C-3.49&Satan=-4.57%2C-5.33&Capto=-6.12%2C-4.56&sunnieseason=5.5%2C-6.0&transylvanian=0.0%2C-2.97&WaffleSingSong=2.25%2C-7.59&SoS=-4.5%2C-7.13&Oakheart=-1.25%2C-3.03&Melkor=-7.75%2C-6.51&Abyssal+Echo=-2.62%2C-1.54&AisleOfPlenty=2.75%2C-4.67&Alluring=-1.25%2C-4.26&ImCoolBeans=-5.62%2C-5.23&phuckphace=-5.38%2C4.67&lyhom=-3.62%2C-4.62&tasminsmith=0.5%2C3.8&World+Eater=-6.25%2C-5.49&Rick+Mason=-8.5%2C-7.69&Typhlosion=1.0%2C-2.51&Emerald+Dream=-3.75%2C-3.54&Dennis98=0.25%2C6.82&Horatio+Nelson=-1.75%2C0.36&Broken+Pen=-3.25%2C-1.69&Vlerchan=-0.25%2C-6.76&name=TM99&ec=3.0&soc=4.62)

Done.

It's also been a long time since we've had an active blue-box poster.

Nice. I think I'll do a poll next year for all the students in the same year and see where most of them land.

[Vlerchan]

Nice. I think I'll do a poll next year for all the students in the same year and see where most of them land.
We did this in an Intro. to Politics class I took in first year (last year).

The large majoirty of people found themselves in the centre and top-corner of the green box. We then had two or three people close to the top of the red-box and a few towards the far right corner of the purple box. We'd a handful of blues that were more-or-less centrists.

[sqishy]

We did this in an Intro. to Politics class I took in first year (last year).

The large majoirty of people found themselves in the centre and top-corner of the green box. We then had two or three people close to the top of the red-box and a few towards the far right corner of the purple box. We'd a handful of blues that were more-or-less centrists.

Thanking you for the graph of the results
I hope we weren't too boring to make you do it :D

[Sir Suomi]

I'm also not sure how you ended up so far right on economics. Least when she took that test sunnieseason was an anarcho-capitalist and ended up further left.

I was curious on how I scored that far right as well. I've taken this test a few times prior, and while I'm in the same range on the Authoritarian/Libertarian spectrum as I usually do, I'm normally not that far right, normally I'm more towards the 2.5-3.5 range. I must have answered a few questions differently than usual.

Out of curiosity, prior to you knowing my results, where would you have located me?

[hesaidhesaid]

YUCK. That last image. Biased as hell. And I'm a social liberalist (slightly left but easily third way)

[JellyJaffa]

Defiantly a right wing libertarian, i don't like the government taking more and more rights and freedom away from the citizens, whether it is 2nd amendment rights (I'm not American but i believe in the US constitution as a model that all other countries should base theirs on) freedom of speech, as well as a right to privacy.
Unfortunately i have seen countries (especially in Europe) become more alienated from the traditions that made the countries great, (Mass illegal immigration becoming justifiable by slapping the word "Refugee" on a economic migrant, this is the clear picture of our countries caving into Political Correctness)

[Vlerchan]

Out of curiosity, prior to you knowing my results, where would you have located me?
Eh. I would have imagined about the same on the social scale and then somewhere between -3 and -5 on the economic scale. Thinking back this comment in particular worries me: "[a]llow the economy to bounce back naturally. Economies naturally will grow and recess no matter howmuch a government attempts to watch over it." I can't even read that without needing to suppress sarcasm though it's not wrong per se.

Unfortunately i have seen countries (especially in Europe) become more alienated from the traditions that made the countries great, (Mass illegal immigration becoming justifiable by slapping the word "Refugee" on a economic migrant, this is the clear picture of our countries caving into Political Correctness)
Even if we pretend these are economic refugees isn't it a tad authoritarian to restrict the individual from selling her labour in whatever space. National borders seem antithetical to the classical liberal ideal to me at least.

[Sir Suomi]

"[a]llow the economy to bounce back naturally. Economies naturally will grow and recess no matter howmuch a government attempts to watch over it."



To be honest, I do favor lax government regulation of businesses. In my opinion, if a company is not being harmful to the environment and are providing a work environment to their employees that is not dangerous (Not counting field where the occupation is hazardous already), I really don't see any reason to interfere.

[Vlerchan]

To be honest, I do favor lax government regulation of businesses. In my opinion, if a company is not being harmful to the environment and are providing a work environment to their employees that is not dangerous (Not counting field where the occupation is hazardous already), I really don't see any reason to interfere.
Even if we just pretend that only micro-perspective exists:
Externalities exist.
Information imperfections exist.
Price rigidities exist.
In some industries increasing returns to scale exist.
That's just some that come to mind. It's also the reason I amn't on board with the whole 'free-er the market: free-er the people'-thing.

Though the role for government when it comes to nation's macroeconomics is much more important. The role here is to smooth-out the business cycle. It's true that economies undergo natural peaks and natural recessions. It doesn't seem we can stop those. But the empirical literature seems to indicate that we can maximise the duration of the up-turns and minimise the duration of the down-turns.

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On an aside I agree with quite a small state on the economic front. But one that has scope to fluctuate upwards temporarily when required.

[tonymontana99]

YUCK. That last image. Biased as hell. And I'm a social liberalist (slightly left but easily third way)

All of the images are biased. I certainly wasn't raised in a fundamentalist christian household and phuckphace probably dindn't get beaten in school as a child (he was probably the one doing the beating lel).

[phuckphace]

All of the images are biased. I certainly wasn't raised in a fundamentalist christian household and @phuckphace (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=72511) probably dindn't get beaten in school as a child (he was probably the one doing the beating lel).

:lol3: I was "bullied" verbally by a couple of bigot shitlords in elementary school whose names I don't recall. they'd probably be quite startled to find out I'm one of them now.

my positions are probably more informed by my conservative/religious upbringing, despite disagreeing with my parents on pretty much everything

[tonymontana99]

:lol3: I was "bullied" verbally by a couple of bigot shitlords in elementary school whose names I don't recall. they'd probably be quite startled to find out I'm one of them now.

my positions are probably more informed by my conservative/religious upbringing, despite disagreeing with my parents on pretty much everything

I know that feel, bro. If you look at the chart Vlerchan did, we are pretty much the same except in economics.

[tonymontana99]

:lol3: I was "bullied" verbally by a couple of bigot shitlords in elementary school whose names I don't recall. they'd probably be quite startled to find out I'm one of them now.

my positions are probably more informed by my conservative/religious upbringing, despite disagreeing with my parents on pretty much everything

I know that feel, bro. If you look at the chart Vlerchan did, we are pretty much the same except in economics. I wasn't raised in a religious household, but in all my experiences dealing with "progressive" people like homossexuals and other types of degenerates, I always found out in the end there was an underlying mental problem with them, every single time. So I get angry when I see this PC police wanting to prohibit people from speaking up against this kind of stuff with facts and empirical data, or when they say Halloween costumes are racist or "offesnvie". How we're all pussy-footing around each other because of bullshit like "microaggression". Jesus Christ, these fucking critical theorists keep oppressing me!

[Vlerchan]

[W]e are pretty much the same except in economics. I wasn't raised in a religious household, in all my experiences dealing with "progressive" people like homossexuals and other types of degenerates, I always found out in the end there was an underlying mental problem with them, every single time.
This might just be the most unintentionally funny post on VT.

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I also think it's fun when people on the internet attempt to diagnose others. So feel free.

[sqishy]

I know that feel, bro. If you look at the chart Vlerchan did, we are pretty much the same except in economics. I wasn't raised in a religious household, but in all my experiences dealing with "progressive" people like homossexuals and other types of degenerates, I always found out in the end there was an underlying mental problem with them, every single time. So I get angry when I see this PC police wanting to prohibit people from speaking up against this kind of stuff with facts and empirical data, or when they say Halloween costumes are racist or "offesnvie". How we're all pussy-footing around each other because of bullshit like "microaggression". Jesus Christ, these fucking critical theorists keep oppressing me!

homossexuals and other types of degenerates

You're sounding like like Lewis Prothero in V for Vendetta:

"I saw it all. Immigrants, Muslims, homosexuals, terrorists. Disease-ridden degenerates."

[From http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0002916/quotes]

[phuckphace]

I don't get the "progressives are insane" meme, it's obviously untrue if you've ever met any actual progressives who aren't teens. it's been shown that people who rate themselves as left wing on the political spectrum tend to be on average more intelligent than their opponents to the right. they did a study so you know it's true. to me that speaks more about the nature of intelligence than the ideology itself (smart people can believe insane things)

some bumbling pseudocon named Michael Savage once wrote a book called "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" wherein he pontificated on the subject in Louis CK style ("Isn't Michael Moore really stupid? Michael Moore is a dumb fatso LOL. That movie Michael Moore made was so full of fail, unlike the Bush administration. Michael Moore just doesn't love ARE CUNTRY") basically conservatives like to make fools of themselves is what I'm saying

[tonymontana99]

I don't get the "progressives are insane" meme, it's obviously untrue if you've ever met any actual progressives who aren't teens. it's been shown that people who rate themselves as left wing on the political spectrum tend to be on average more intelligent than their opponents to the right. they did a study so you know it's true. to me that speaks more about the nature of intelligence than the ideology itself (smart people can believe insane things)

some bumbling pseudocon named Michael Savage once wrote a book called "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" wherein he pontificated on the subject in Louis CK style ("Isn't Michael Moore really stupid? Michael Moore is a dumb fatso LOL. That movie Michael Moore made was so full of fail, unlike the Bush administration. Michael Moore just doesn't love ARE CUNTRY") basically conservatives like to make fools of themselves is what I'm saying

I'm all for progress (transhumanism and all that type of crap) but the people that represent the liberal progressives are most of the times mentally ill who cover up their fascist tendencies with political correctness. I'm not saying the Conservatives are better, but we need to get over this disgusting phase of identity politics and PC.

>implying these peoples' offspring won't creep up in political and corporate roles in the next decades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTHbY9mVYAM

[phuckphace]

right but my point is there are a lot of smart folks who buy into the identity politics and political correctness horseshit, it doesn't mean you're insane or mentally ill or whatever it just means you got sold a bill of goods that conveniently aligns with your moral compass ~ it happens to everybody

it's true that we are apparently losing our fucking marbles collectively, but that just like progressivism itself is a symptom of the Decline. symptom, disease etc.

[Vlerchan]

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right but my point is there are a lot of smart folks who buy into the identity politics and political correctness horseshit, it doesn't mean you're insane or mentally ill or whatever it just means you got sold a bill of goods that conveniently aligns with your moral compass ~ it happens to everybody

it's true that we are apparently losing our fucking marbles collectively, but that just like progressivism itself is a symptom of the Decline. symptom, disease etc.

:)

[Bull]

As I look at my political philosophy I am conflicted to say the least. I am a financial conservative: I support the idea of a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget. I am an unashamed capitalist. I think every able bodied person should work. I think those unable to work should be helped. Socially I am very "liberal" according to many. I fully support same sex and cross racial marriage. I believe in equal pay for equal work. Can't stand gender bias. I think a person is free to practice their religion but must not use religion as an excuse to break the law. I think we need to apply the same principle to gun control as we do to driving a vehicle. Pass a test to get a license which restricts the type of gun to be owned and that must be renewed periodically. I don't think anyone should be able to buy a gun without a background check and a license. For full disclosure I own a couple of rifles used for hunting. I do not see the need for any civilian to own a military styled weapon. I think every working person should pay income tax and that the wealthy should be taxed at higher and higher rates. There should be penalties for corporations who move jobs out of USA and rewards for those who bring them back.

[Vlerchan]

I am a financial conservative: I support the idea of a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget.
It makes me sad that this can be considered part of someone's political philosophy.

On what grounds do you support it?

[Bull]

It makes me sad that this can be considered part of someone's political philosophy.

On what grounds do you support it?

Sorry to make you sad, but, One only needs look at the obscene debt to know the path on which we are traveling is headed to the abyss. I do not want the USA to end up like Greece!

[Vlerchan]

One only needs look at the obscene debt to know the path on which we are traveling is headed to the abyss. I do not want the USA to end up like Greece!
Greece's problems primarily stem from it being a low-productivity economy stuck in an over-valued currency union (relative to it).

Of course that doesn't mean government debt is good. It is bad. I agree and we should oppose situations where it's heightened to the extent it is. The problem with legal mandates for surplus is that it hamstrings policy-makers when it comes to fighting recessions and the economy is at the zero-lower bound - that is, when interest rates are at the floor. That's - to twist the knife - also a scenario where the multiplier is larger.

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I should add that I might be supportive if the mandate was tied to macroeconomic considerations like NGDP growth and the interest rate.

But from reading proposals like The Liberty Amendment that's not the plan.

[Bull]

What is a "Radical Centrist"? Left or right of center? or an extreme strong centrist position?

[Vlerchan]

What is a "Radical Centrist"? Left or right of center? or an extreme strong centrist position?
Eh. I support fundamental reform from a perspective that combines aspects of the (radical) left and right. I'm quite centred on economics though - In the sense it's defined in economic academia.

It's not something that holds a neat position on the U.S. spectrum regardless.

[Bull]

Vlerchan I agree to a center on economics. I am not sure many of US politicians ever took economics courses, or if they did they slept through the whole discussion of wants vs. needs in light of limited resources. US politicians are high on demanding academic accountability, therefore I think there should be a basic academic (civics, economics, finance, and above all the state and federal constitutions) test that must be passed with a minimum score of 70% in order to run for office. We are electing too many nuts to government bodies, from school boards to congress.

I am adding that the test questions should be designed by high school and college level teachers, just so the test is basic enough that a committed learner could make the passing grade.

[Vlerchan]

I am not sure many of US politicians ever took economics courses, or if they did they slept through the whole discussion of wants vs. needs in light of limited resources.
The Democrats and Republics had a higher likelihood of agreeing with each other than the opinions of economists (Fuller 2007) (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.495.5504&rep=rep1&type=pdf).

That's somewhat old but opinions haven't changed too much.

I also don't believe this is necessarily bad. Economists have a specific manner of looking at the world and this is in-built into their research and proposals. Diverging perspectives aren't a bad thing as such. It's just when politicians are disconnected from the fundamentals of the to the extent that it occurs at the moment it becomes dangerous.

US politicians are high on demanding academic accountability, therefore I think there should be a basic academic (civics, economics, finance, and above all the state and federal constitutions) test that must be passed with a minimum score of 70% in order to run for office. We are electing too many nuts to government bodies, from school boards to congress.

I am adding that the test questions should be designed by high school and college level teachers, just so the test is basic enough that a committed learner could make the passing grade.
I set out a proposal in this thread (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2021682). The problem with having a specific test is that it tempts corruption.

I also don't think it's possible to devise an adequate exam for most subjects. I believe that higher-level testing should be achieved through academic contribution towards that field because that requires not just an understanding of the literature but also it's possible applications and uses.

[phuckphace]

trying to curate public offices with civic exams is a losing battle. it seems like a good idea until you realize that people will just figure out how to game it (a problem in a lot of artificial meritocracies) thus defeating its purpose. see also my earlier points about the nature of intelligence - plenty of intelligent people have wrecked the world with their influence so it's not as though being smart = being an effective, not-nutty leader. hell we've got some of the smartest minds working right now to pave a nightmarish panopticon-funhouse over every square inch of the Earth's dry land, think I'll stick to being a median-IQ prole

[tonymontana99]

hell we've got some of the smartest minds working right now to pave a nightmarish panopticon-funhouse over every square inch of the Earth's dry

Oy vey. delete this

[Bull]

[QUOTE=Vlerchan;3246156]

The problem with having a specific test is that it tempts corruption.
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Who thinks there is no corruption now? Not me. The corrupt will always seek ways to circumvent rules, laws, and morality. But at least they which seek political office would have to face a test. HS students have to face high stakes tests (plural) to graduate. If they cheat, they will be caught. Same with corrupt political aspirants, they will be (they are) caught. All about competent and accountable.

[Vlerchan]

Who thinks there is no corruption now? Not me. The corrupt will always seek ways to circumvent rules, laws, and morality.
Sure.

But at least they which seek political office would have to face a test. HS students have to face high stakes tests (plural) to graduate. If they cheat, they will be caught. Same with corrupt political aspirants, they will be (they are) caught. All about competent and accountable.
I should have laid out the argument in broader terms.

The problem is that in areas with stronger Republican-leanings there might be an in-built bias towards them. In areas with stronger Democratic-leanings there might be an in-built bias towards them. Some boards - like the Texas State Board of Education - are outright explicit to this end. If the testing existed in a college setting then competition tilts things towards the test being impartial or otherwise it's useless. But in a monopolies there's no such concern.

see also my earlier points about the nature of intelligence - plenty of intelligent people have wrecked the world with their influence so it's not as though being smart = being an effective, not-nutty leader
It's not testing for intelligence though.

It's testing if candidates hold certain skills.

[Bull]

I appreciate the way you think. Questions: you identify your location as Ireland, have you always lived in Ireland? You demonstrate more knowledge of US politics than many of my fellow Americans, young and old, what is your connection/interest?

[lliam]

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[Vlerchan]

Questions: you identify your location as Ireland, have you always lived in Ireland?
Yep.

You demonstrate more knowledge of US politics than many of my fellow Americans, young and old, what is your connection/interest?
Thank you.

I've no particular interest in the U.S. though. It's just something I've picked up on from having a broader interest in politics. However the fact that a large proportion of big economics articles are written with reference to U.S. data might explain how I know the broad specifics there.

[Bull]

Thank You! Vlerchan I wish more people who live and vote, or should vote, in the US were as interested! When I try to engage most of my peers in such conversation they just shut me down.

[Vlerchan]

When I try to engage most of my peers in such conversation they just shut me down.
I don't think that's uncommon. I would imagine most people that post here find the same.

Today's youth are de-politicised to a shocking extent.

[phuckphace]

I don't think that's uncommon. I would imagine most people that post here find the same.

Today's youth are de-politicised to a shocking extent.

I think that's more an American phenomenon, or that's my theory anyway

I've spoken with plenty of Euros who can tell me all sorts of things about their respective countries, history and policies - I have yet to meet a "politically minded" American irl who can tell me what a sovereign wealth fund is, or how recessions work. going into third-party territory gets you nothing but blank stares. my public school education got me here as well - I find myself having to Google whenever a Euro asks, "so what's your opinion on Prime Minister von Ümlaut?" - "Uhhhhh...."

[Vlerchan]

I think that's more an American phenomenon, or that's my theory anyway

I've spoken with plenty of Euros who can tell me all sorts of things about their respective countries, history and policies - I have yet to meet a "politically minded" American irl who can tell me what a sovereign wealth fund is, or how recessions work. going into third-party territory gets you nothing but blank stares. my public school education got me here as well - I find myself having to Google whenever a Euro asks, "so what's your opinion on Prime Minister von Ümlaut?" - "Uhhhhh...."
I'm going to call selection bias. I find that the average Irish person I meet on the internet tends to understand politics to a greater extent than the average Irish person I meet in real life. It's going to count in favour of non-anglophones too because the one's with the English to communicate with us are going to be intelligent enough to be competent in a second language. I also feel there's bias against people from the U.S. because there seems to be a disproportionate representation.

I also feel when Paraxiom likes that last post we should be worried. He goes to a [much?] better college to me and one a lot more devoted to the social science and humanities.

[sqishy]

I'm going to call selection bias. I find that the average Irish person I meet on the internet tends to understand politics to a greater extent than the average Irish person I meet in real life. It's going to count in favour of non-anglophones too because the one's with the English to communicate with us are going to be intelligent enough to be competent in a second language. I also feel there's bias against people from the U.S. because there seems to be a disproportionate representation.

I also feel when Paraxiom likes that last post we should be worried. He goes to a [much?] better college to me and one a lot more devoted to the social science and humanities.
In response to the first paragraph, I agree that a lot of ignorance exists overall through many counties. Though I feel that the US has a uniquely large portion of ignorance regarding a lot of things in general, I by no means say it's the only place where ignorance resides. Ignorance is a global epidemic moreso.

I'm not sure what you mean to be honest in the second part, can you elaborate? I didn't understand. I won't comment on which university is better because I really don't know or care much. I know TCD is great, but I'll leave the rest to the staff etc. I am in the social sciences route yes, but I still love my science and maths :D ! (indeed I feel easier with them with most things related - I think philosophy and only philosophy brought me to the arts building, which is a big thing for me too)

[Vlerchan]

I'm not sure what you mean to be honest, can you elaborate?
TCD has a much better reputation than where I go [it's ranked first in Ireland]. It has much more prominent societies relating to the humanities and arts. Though the latter point might not be difficult because were I go doesn't quite do humanities or social sciences. So when you like a post that claims Ireland is depoliticised you liking that post should be worrisome.

[sqishy]

TCD has a much better reputation than where I go [it's ranked first in Ireland]. It has much more prominent societies relating to the humanities and arts. Though the latter point might not be difficult because were I go doesn't quite do humanities or social sciences. So when you like a post that claims Ireland is depoliticised you liking that post should be worrisome.
TCD is higher in the rankings, granted.
I actually hardly go to society events, if ever. I don't feel like going most of the time, and am not that social with them too, just personal. I've heard lots happens in them yeah. I did go to a discussion on the refugee crisis 4 weeks ago though, there is a podcast and will look for its link if you want it. It was nothing amazing, but was unique.
I thank you for perceiving that I am more informed about things, but I don't feel and/or believe it and have been told I'm too modest with myself, etc. I feel that I'm more independent with my points of view and am more influenced by people I know, than what the university in general/course shows me. Overall university has changed me immensely for sure, though. I'm not denying it; I have no reason to.

[phuckphace]

I'm going to call selection bias. I find that the average Irish person I meet on the internet tends to understand politics to a greater extent than the average Irish person I meet in real life. It's going to count in favour of non-anglophones too because the one's with the English to communicate with us are going to be intelligent enough to be competent in a second language. I also feel there's bias against people from the U.S. because there seems to be a disproportionate representation.

good point(s)

[Vlerchan]

Somewhat relevant I stumbled across this in my reading.

“I hate the indifferent. I believe that living means taking sides. Those who really live cannot help being a citizen and a partisan. Indifference and apathy are parasitism, perversion, not life. That is why I hate the indifferent.

The indifference is the deadweight of history. The indifference operates with great power on history. The indifference operates passively, but it operates. It is fate, that which cannot be counted on. It twists programs and ruins the best-conceived plans. It is the raw material that ruins intelligence. That what happens, the evil that weighs upon all, happens because the human mass abdicates to their will; allows laws to be promulgated that only the revolt could nullify, and leaves men that only a mutiny will be able to overthrow to achieve the power. The mass ignores because it is careless and then it seems like it is the product of fate that runs over everything and everyone: the one who consents as well as the one who dissents; the one who knew as well as the one who didn’t know; the active as well as the indifferent. Some whimper piously, others curse obscenely, but nobody, or very few ask themselves: If I had tried to impose my will, would this have happened?

I also hate the indifferent because of that: because their whimpering of eternally innocent ones annoys me. I make each one liable: how they have tackled with the task that life has given and gives them every day, what have they done, and especially, what they have not done. And I feel I have the right to be inexorable and not squander my compassion, of not sharing my tears with them.

I am a partisan, I am alive, I feel the pulse of the activity of the future city that those on my side are building is alive in their conscience. And in it, the social chain does not rest on a few; nothing of what happens in it is a matter of luck, nor the product of fate, but the intelligent work of the citizens. Nobody in it is looking from the window of the sacrifice and the drain of a few. Alive, I am a partisan. That is why I hate the ones that don’t take sides, I hate the indifferent.”

Antonio Gramsci.

I quite like it.

[Hyper]

Somewhat relevant I stumbled across this in my reading.

“I hate the indifferent. I believe that living means taking sides. Those who really live cannot help being a citizen and a partisan. Indifference and apathy are parasitism, perversion, not life. That is why I hate the indifferent.

The indifference is the deadweight of history. The indifference operates with great power on history. The indifference operates passively, but it operates. It is fate, that which cannot be counted on. It twists programs and ruins the best-conceived plans. It is the raw material that ruins intelligence. That what happens, the evil that weighs upon all, happens because the human mass abdicates to their will; allows laws to be promulgated that only the revolt could nullify, and leaves men that only a mutiny will be able to overthrow to achieve the power. The mass ignores because it is careless and then it seems like it is the product of fate that runs over everything and everyone: the one who consents as well as the one who dissents; the one who knew as well as the one who didn’t know; the active as well as the indifferent. Some whimper piously, others curse obscenely, but nobody, or very few ask themselves: If I had tried to impose my will, would this have happened?

I also hate the indifferent because of that: because their whimpering of eternally innocent ones annoys me. I make each one liable: how they have tackled with the task that life has given and gives them every day, what have they done, and especially, what they have not done. And I feel I have the right to be inexorable and not squander my compassion, of not sharing my tears with them.

I am a partisan, I am alive, I feel the pulse of the activity of the future city that those on my side are building is alive in their conscience. And in it, the social chain does not rest on a few; nothing of what happens in it is a matter of luck, nor the product of fate, but the intelligent work of the citizens. Nobody in it is looking from the window of the sacrifice and the drain of a few. Alive, I am a partisan. That is why I hate the ones that don’t take sides, I hate the indifferent.”

Antonio Gramsci.

I quite like it.

I like it as well except for the last part...

Why does everyone have to take a side in everything? This quote sounds like it could be a poster by a SJW bedside.

Ohh and hi Vler nice to see you are still posting - I doubt you remember me enough or ever read my posts enough to guess where I might land on the spectrum - though yeah pretty sure I've posted these results in the past on VT as well.

[Sir Suomi]

So I retook the test, and got what I usually score this time.

Economic Left/Right: 3.49
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21

I have no idea how I got so far right last time lol.

[Vlerchan]

Why does everyone have to take a side in everything?
It would seem Gramsci believes that people take a side whether it's a concious, thought-induced decision or not.

I'm reading a collection of his most famous essays and articles at the moment so I might be able to better place the piece when I have a better grasp of his thought.

Ohh and hi Vler nice to see you are still posting - I doubt you remember me enough or ever read my posts enough to guess where I might land on the spectrum - though yeah pretty sure I've posted these results in the past on VT as well.
I remember I thought you were from Canada?

I'm also going for the red sqaure, close to the centre though. Or far left. For some reason both seem viable.

[Hyper]

I remember I thought you were from Canada?

I'm also going for the red sqaure, close to the centre though. Or far left. For some reason both seem viable.

It would seem I am Noam Chomsky in disguise

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