Just don't get it

[Shoebox12]

To all those posting about wanting to try drugs - have you not seen the posts from all those who did try drugs and are dependant?

People seem to think they'll only try drugs once, this leads to trying a few times which leads to addiction. This is why the drugs industry is so successful.

People become addicted and i don't understand why people will refuse to believe that it won't happen to them, similar to drink driving.

First off you start by doing drugs "just once" and before you know it your hooked. You have poor medical health as a consequence (mental and physical) and then you end up pregnant and give birth to a ill cocaine addicted child. Then you spend months in a rehab unit suffering every day wishing why you ever did those drugs.

This is the fate of many people who decide they are going to try drugs and even though it may seem miles off i don't get why people think it won't happen to them. Illegal substances are illegal for a reason - they destroy lives (not only yours but others around you)

[ECSTASY]

most of the people try drugs to escape from the problems of this world.
the others like my uncle , thought that trying it once will never hurt him but he is addicted so bad to it right now and his life is totally ruined.
I myself, Don't like smoking cigarettes or weed even, it may be legal, but its bad for health still.

[AlexOnToast]

Unfortunately people are going to go on doing it regardless what others tell them.
It's like picking a scab, you really know you shouldnt, but you do it anyway.

(and not all illegal substances are illegal for a reason)

[Breakeven]

people want to try it for the sake of trying , mostly coz we are human and we like trying new things

people just have to be smart and make the right choice when it comes to it , because its not worth it!

[Shoebox12]

Unfortunately people are going to go on doing it regardless what others tell them.
It's like picking a scab, you really know you shouldnt, but you do it anyway.

(and not all illegal substances are illegal for a reason)

Pretty sure they are illegal for a reason otherwise they would be legal. It's not really an opt in thing.

[Shoebox12]

people want to try it for the sake of trying , mostly coz we are human and we like trying new things

people just have to be smart and make the right choice when it comes to it , because its not worth it!

So be curious and try something that's not going to fry your brain, melt your liver and box your kidneys. Like jet skiing, instead of taking up medical time and resources to treat you after an overdose or the liver transplant you'll need years down the line

[AlexOnToast]

Pretty sure they are illegal for a reason otherwise they would be legal. It's not really an opt in thing.

Well not everything is illegal for a good reason. Marijuana, for example, is far less harmful than cigarettes or the volume of alcohol usually consumed, yet it is illegal while they are both perfectly acceptable. If you do a bit of research you will find why Cannabis is illegal, it's really not got much do do with health effects.
Btw, I don't condone the use of any drug, I'm just stating the fact's. There are many things that are Illegal that should be legal, and many things that are Legal that shouldnt be. I'm just saying that using the "legality" argument isn't really the best one to use

[Breakeven]

So be curious and try something that's not going to fry your brain, melt your liver and box your kidneys. Like jet skiing, instead of taking up medical time and resources to treat you after an overdose or the liver transplant you'll need years down the line
i hope your not saying that to me!
but umm if you tell people that way , they wont listen , everyone have different way of thinking , you cant force people to agree with you , we all have different opinions

[Shoebox12]

Well not everything is illegal for a good reason. Marijuana, for example, is far less harmful than cigarettes or the volume of alcohol usually consumed, yet it is illegal while they are both perfectly acceptable. If you do a bit of research you will find why Cannabis is illegal, it's really not got much do do with health effects.
Btw, I don't condone the use of any drug, I'm just stating the fact's. here are many things that are Illegal that should be legal, and many things that are Legal that shouldnt be. I'm just saying that using the "legality" argument isn't really the best one to use

Your answers aren't consistent. I said everything is illegal for a reason. Didn't say it had to be a good one.

[AlexOnToast]

Your answers aren't consistent. I said everything is illegal for a reason. Didn't say it had to be a good one.

Illegal for a bad reason - Legal
I really don't see the major difference there sorry.

[Shoebox12]

Your maths skills arn't really up to scratch there

Illegal for a good or bad reason is still illegal

But if you do try drugs and are charged let me know how that defence arguement works out for you

Just found this "It is an offense to be intoxicated (drunk) and in charge of a cow in Scotland." that as a law has bad reasons as i can think of great comical value and would predict an increase in my mental health if i were drunk and in charge of a cow in Scotland. But just because it has bad reasons doesn't make it legal

What about abortion in the case of a child that will be born but will not survive. Or the victim of rape. The laws say that abortion in this case is illegal with dreadful reasons but it is still illegal and if we were to abort we would be prosecuted.

Whether good reasons or not rules are in place to stop society becoming a complete free-for-all. Many people can think of good reasons for murder to be acceptable but the truth is that it's not regardless of how many good or bad reasons there are supporting or opposing the arguement

[AlexOnToast]

Your maths skills arn't really up to scratch there

Illegal for a good or bad reason is still illegal

But if you do try drugs and are charged let me know how that defence arguement works out for you

Just found this "It is an offense to be intoxicated (drunk) and in charge of a cow in Scotland." that as a law has bad reasons as i can think of great comical value and would predict an increase in my mental health if i were drunk and in charge of a cow in Scotland. But just because it has bad reasons doesn't make it legal

What about abortion in the case of a child that will be born but will not survive. Or the victim of rape. The laws say that abortion in this case is illegal with dreadful reasons but it is still illegal and if we were to abort we would be prosecuted.

Whether good reasons or not rules are in place to stop society becoming a complete free-for-all. Many people can think of good reasons for murder to be acceptable but the truth is that it's not regardless of how many good or bad reasons there are supporting or opposing the arguement

I really don't see why you have get so personal... If you are going to post on a public forum, you should at least be able to accept that different people are going to have different opinions.

If I was ever taken to court over drug charges, which I find very unlikely, I would accept that i have broken a law and i would accept the consequences because I knew I was breaking a law, whether I agreed with it or not.
I love how you are just assume I'm some pro drug little idiot just because I happen to think that some laws arent the best. At the end of the day, I (mostly)obey the law because I agree with most of what it uphold, not merely because it's the law.
And tbh, the whole "murder" thing you went on about there is pretty irrelevant, I mean I have never heard anyone wanting murder legalised...

[Shoebox12]

I really don't see why you have get so personal... If you are going to post on a public forum, you should at least be able to accept that different people are going to have different opinions.

I think opinions are of no use they are at most times irrational.
Facts on the other hand have logical, rational and proven reasons.

The reason that cannabis is illegal is that it is bad for you.
The reasons that cannabis can be used medicinally is that it can benefit some conditions

if the reason that cannabis was illegal was that it it wind pollinated then its admittedly a bad reason but still illegal.

I really try not to be personal but thought that if you learned a life lesson today that "Illegal for a bad reason - Legal" would not really be considered the best one - for many good reasons

[Shoebox12]

I have never heard anyone wanting murder legalised...

Probably most people on a murder charge. Probably anyone who ever said "ill kill him" in a fit of rage and probably any genocidal maniac

[Charlie48]

YOLO - that's why.

[AlexOnToast]

I think opinions are of no use they are at most times irrational.

If you think opinions are of no use, then I'm afraid you are going to feel frustrated for the rest of you're life. Here's a fact, people have opinions. Surprisingly, not everyone thinks the same, Which I think probably answers your original question too.
And my sincerest apologies, but if something is illegal for no good reason, and providing it doesnt hurt anyone or anyones rights, then I will do it if I want. If the law decides that i'm guilty for it, then so be it.

[AlexOnToast]

Probably most people on a murder charge. Probably anyone who ever said "ill kill him" in a fit of rage and probably any genocidal maniac

I really doubt that most people on murder charges think it should be legal - sure, the majority want to get away with it, but I really doubt any have made an argument saying that murder should be legalised. And I dont know about you, but I don't think I have ever had that moment where I have wanted murder to be legalised because someone has pissed me off. And as for genocidal maniacs, well I don't think I even have to say that their views on law arent the most valid...

[Shoebox12]

If you think opinions are of no use, then I'm afraid you are going to feel frustrated for the rest of you're life. Here's a fact, people have opinions. Surprisingly, not everyone thinks the same, Which I think probably answers your original question too.
And my sincerest apologies, but if something is illegal for no good reason, and providing it doesnt hurt anyone or anyones rights, then I will do it if I want. If the law decides that i'm guilty for it, then so be it.

Here's another fact - opinions are wrong. They are only used when people don't know what the correct fact is or want to get away with something that isn't socially or morally acceptable

And one more fact to round things off - drugs hurt. They hurt the person taking them, they hurt the family, the hurt people who love them, they hurt the health system, they hurt the person who is mugged for the money to pay for the next hit. And peoples rights are affected people have the right to live free of fear of violence and harm and drugs breach that - they make society an unsafe place to live in and harbor fear by causing drug related crimes

[Shoebox12]

their views on law arent the most valid...

and neither are the persons who thinks that bad reasons for something being illegal make it legal

and i though you were in favour of people having an opinion - genocidal maniacs are people too, the do have feelings

[AlexOnToast]

Here's another fact - opinions are wrong. They are only used when people don't know what the correct fact is or want to get away with something that isn't socially or morally acceptable

And one more fact to round things off - drugs hurt. They hurt the person taking them, they hurt the family, the hurt people who love them, they hurt the health system, they hurt the person who is mugged for the money to pay for the next hit. And peoples rights are affected people have the right to live free of fear of violence and harm and drugs breach that - they make society an unsafe place to live in and harbor fear by causing drug related crimes

I think you have completely overlooked what I said - I'm not saying people should do drugs, I'm saying that law should'nt be the reason people don't do them, they should not do drugs out of common sense, respect for themselves and for others.

And you are completely wrong about opinions. In my opinion, brussels sprouts taste delicious. Other people cant stand the taste. So who is "denying fact" there? I dont know if it's intentional, but you are coming across as a tad close minded here by saying "opinions are wrong".

[AlexOnToast]

and neither are the persons who thinks that bad reasons for something being illegal make it legal

and i though you were in favour of people having an opinion - genocidal maniacs are people too, the do have feelings
Again you completely overlook what I have said previously. I never said that just because something is illegal for a bad reason = legal. I clearly meant that morally speaking, it's the same as something that's legal.
Are you hearing you'rself? Their opinions on law arent valid because they are not mentally well to the extent that they think killing people is acceptable

[Shoebox12]

I think you have completely overlooked what I said - I'm not saying people should do drugs, I'm saying that law should'nt be the reason people don't do them, they should not do drugs out of common sense, respect for themselves and for others.

And you are completely wrong about opinions. In my opinion, brussels sprouts taste delicious. Other people cant stand the taste. So who is "denying fact" there? I dont know if it's intentional, but you are coming across as a tad close minded here by saying "opinions are wrong".

People arn't going to do do something out of respect for others, thats ridiculous. People are ultimatly going to choose actions that benefit them because people are selfish and always have been and anyone else who benefits from their actions are classed as collateral damage.

That's the reason we need laws, and for people to follow them. Have you ever been to belfast? London? The bronx? People don't decide that they won't do drugs because it's disrespectful to their neighbours they decide to do drugs because they get high and they benefit. Also do we prioritise respect for the elderly woman up the street or the man who has the drugs and a gun? the old woman wont kill you (hopefully) but we're much too afraid to tell the dealerr that we arnt buying his drugs because we have a greater respect for someone else.

So if we are going to rely on humanitys good nature we will end uup disappointed

Again you completely overlook what I have said previously. I never said that just because something is illegal for a bad reason = legal. I clearly meant that morally speaking, it's the same as something that's legal.
Are you hearing you'rself? Their opinions on law arent valid because they are not mentally well to the extent that they think killing people is acceptable

Unfortunatly morals are no use in a court of law. Morally speaking capital punishment should be reinstated to deter murderers. But then should we execute those who execute the murders. When people use morals they are using their opinions of what is right and once again things get complicated

[TheRedViper]

I can't help but feel this thread came about because of my own thread a few days ago....

[Trukfit4lyfe]

Not addicted to anything yet and I have tried quite a few drugs. I just stay away from certain ones and that seems to work. Not promoting anything though