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Zenos
January 21st, 2014, 10:33 PM
Many people cliam that Bruce lee is the father of MMA,or that it was the gracies that developed MMA both groups are wrong.
Prepare to learn about the original MMA


Bartitsu was what we'd think of today as a cross-cultural mixed martial art. It was founded over a hundred years ago by an Englishman named Edward William Barton-Wright. He studied Shinden Fudo Ryu jiu jitsu and Kodokan judo while he was working in Japan during the 1890s. He was one of the very first Europeans known to have trained in Japanese martial arts. As it became established in London, the art expanded to incorporate combat techniques from the Tenjin Shinyō, Fusen and Daito schools of jujutsu as well as British boxing, Swiss schwingen, French savate and a defensive la canne (stick fighting) style that had been developed by Pierre Vigny of Switzerland.

In his notes for a lecture delivered to the Japan Society of London in 1901, Barton-Wright wrote:
Under Bartitsu is included boxing, or the use of the fist as a hitting medium, the use of the feet both in an offensive and defensive sense, the use of the walking stick as a means of self-defence. Judo and jujitsu, which are secret styles of Japanese wrestling, (I) would call close play as applied to self-defence.
In order to ensure, as far as it is possible, immunity against injury in cowardly attacks or quarrels, (one) must understand boxing in order to thoroughly appreciate the danger and rapidity of a well-directed blow, and the particular parts of the body which are scientifically attacked. The same, of course, applies to the use of the foot or the stick.
Judo and jujitsu were not designed as primary means of attack and defence against a boxer or a man who kicks you, but are only to be used after coming to close quarters, and in order to get to close quarters it is absolutely necessary to understand boxing and the use of the foot.

In 1899, Barton-Wright summarised the essential principles of Bartitsu as:
To disturb the equilibrium of your assailant.
To surprise him before he has time to regain his balance and use his strength.
If necessary, to subject the joints of any parts of his body, whether neck, shoulder, elbow, wrist, back, knee, ankle, etc. to strains that they are anatomically and mechanically unable to resist.
Based on Barton-Wright's writings upon this subject, it is evident that Bartitsu placed greatest emphasis upon the Vigny cane fighting system at the striking range and upon jujutsu (and, secondarily, the "all-in" style of European wrestling) at the grappling range. Savate and boxing methods were used to segue between these two ranges, or as a means of first response should the defender not be armed with a walking stick. These sports were evidently also practiced so that Bartitsu students could learn how to defend against them through the use of jujutsu and Vigny stick fighting. Barton-Wright spoke of having modified the techniques of boxing and savate for self-defence purposes, as distinct from academic and fitness training or sporting competition, referring to guards that would cause an attacking boxer to injure his own fists and to defences that would cause an attacking kicker to damage his own leg.

baseballer98
January 21st, 2014, 10:45 PM
saw a thing about that on tv once. they called it "the art of gentlemanly defense" lol it's cool. i think that sherlock holmes used it in the movies. the robert downey jr. ones that is. specifically the one where he's in the fighting ring. or so it was said - something similar anyway

Zenos
January 21st, 2014, 10:59 PM
saw a thing about that on tv once. they called it "the art of gentlemanly defense" lol it's cool. i think that sherlock holmes used it in the movies. the robert downey jr. ones that is. specifically the one where he's in the fighting ring. or so it was said - something similar anyway

the thing about that was the base of the movie bartitsu was wing chun not Pugilism which erks me cause Kung fu was not known to westerners at the time. they should have gotten members of the Bartitsu society to create the fight scenes at least it would have been more authentic.

Bartitsu into

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jja0-5nkucc


Bartitsu basic training exercise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgDWruigs-g

baseballer98
January 22nd, 2014, 12:28 AM
thats pretty cool. i'd totally learn it if i could lol

Zenos
January 22nd, 2014, 12:33 AM
thats pretty cool. i'd totally learn it if i could lol

heres the website to the Bartitsu Society

http://www.bartitsu.org/

and u can order their books from here:


http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?type=&keyWords=bartitsu&sitesearch=lulu.com&q=&x=0&y=0

Hyper
January 25th, 2014, 03:11 PM
If cross training = MMA

Then MMA has been around way before... Before Karate or Te became Japanized pretty much all serious students/masters would study grappling arts & chinese arts + other approaches to Karate.

Also remember MMA isn't ''a style'' it's a method or philosophy to martial arts that was the norm a hundred or more years ago.

When Karate became Japanized, when most countries native martial arts fell to obscurity or were banned this practice got lost somewhere in murky murky waters.

That aside I've never heard of this art and will probably look into it more so thanks for the education :)

hoboliz
January 26th, 2014, 02:12 AM
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was a master. Which explains why Sherlock Holmes is also.