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Loca
January 14th, 2014, 03:21 AM
Does it state in the bible that if you are gay you go to hell? Because I really want to know, all of those gay people who love god and they get sent to hell just don't make sense to me. Please help! Its quite personal.

ECSTASY
January 14th, 2014, 03:29 AM
Im not into religion at all but i think ( im not sure) that it is . Specially in islam its one of the biggest sins . Well this is my personal advice that dont pay attention so much to these things . If you wanna look from the religion point of view, 90% of the people of the world will go to hell.because of what they've done ;)

AlexOnToast
January 14th, 2014, 03:29 AM
I agree with what you are saying. I'm a good person - I don't commit any crimes (in general) I'm always trying to help people, I volunteer my time to charity events, yet just because I am gay that mean's I'm going to burn for all eternity. Wheres the "love" or "Mercy" or "fairness" there? All I'm saying is that I have never been part of any religeon so I cant make any real estimates..... Anyway, If I go to hell then thats that. I'm a good person, but if God chooses to send me to hell for being the person that he made me, then that's his problem.

Sanctum
January 14th, 2014, 03:29 AM
well, i am not christian and i don't know whether it's mentioned in bible or not, but i am telling you one word that no one can foretell that a person is going to hell or heaven. it's all in gods hands and he decides.even if you are Homo.
there are other elements to judge.

AlexOnToast
January 14th, 2014, 03:30 AM
Im not into religion at all but i think ( im not sure) that it is . Specially in islam its one of the biggest sins . Well this is my personal advice that dont pay attention so much to these things . If you wanna look from the religion point of view, 90% of the people of the world will go to hell.because of what they've done ;)

^ this :) And yeah, if the Bible is to be taken literally, then not a whole lot of us are being saved XD

ECSTASY
January 14th, 2014, 03:32 AM
I agree with what you are saying. I'm a good person - I don't commit any crimes (in general) I'm always trying to help people, I volunteer my time to charity events, yet just because I am gay that mean's I'm going to burn for all eternity. Wheres the "love" or "Mercy" or "fairness" there? All I'm saying is that I have never been part of any religeon so I cant make any real estimates..... Anyway, If I go to hell then thats that. I'm a good person, but if God chooses to send me to hell for being the person that he made me, then that's his problem.

well, i am not christian and i don't know whether it's mentioned in bible or not, but i am telling you one word that no one can foretell that a person is going to hell or heaven. it's all in gods hands and he decides.even if you are Homo.
there are other elements to judge.

Wow 3 posts in a sec lol

Sanctum
January 14th, 2014, 03:35 AM
Im not into religion at all but i think ( im not sure) that it is . Specially in islam its one of the biggest sins . Well this is my personal advice that dont pay attention so much to these things . If you wanna look from the religion point of view, 90% of the people of the world will go to hell.because of what they've done ;)

looks like you haven't understood what religion is yet.
if being Homo is a sin i am 100% that there is a legal reason for that, but we haven't discovered that.like many other facts that is mentioned in holy books and the science hasn't discovered them.
again i believe "Being a good person" is the most important thing.

ECSTASY
January 14th, 2014, 03:52 AM
looks like you haven't understood what religion is yet.
if being Homo is a sin i am 100% that there is a legal reason for that, but we haven't discovered that.like many other facts that is mentioned in holy books and the science hasn't discovered them.
again i believe "Being a good person" is the most important thing.

Well dude first of all im not gonna insult you or your religion or anything :) well thats something personal and everyone has him/her own . But what about the people who live in the past , before they discover how to change sexuality ? Will all of them go to hell?

Sanctum
January 14th, 2014, 03:58 AM
Well dude first of all im not gonna insult you or your religion or anything :) well thats something personal and everyone has him/her own . But what about the people who live in the past , before they discover how to change sexuality ? Will all of them go to hell?

that's why religion is made. to tell us something that we can not observe or discover yet. if all of the things that are stated in holy books were discovered scientifically then every one would believe it and going to hell or heaven would make no sense.

ECSTASY
January 14th, 2014, 04:32 AM
that's why religion is made. to tell us something that we can not observe or discover yet. if all of the things that are stated in holy books were discovered scientifically then every one would believe it and going to hell or heaven would make no sense.

Well actually religion is something to GUIDE people to choose the right way to have a better life in both of the worlds . From what ive read in books and what our religion and life teacher said . And from what ive read in some books , human has the right to choose which way he wanna go . Right way or wrong way . But from what you said , we can say that we are just a bunch of dolls that god plays with us . Some one borns gay and there is nothing discovered to change his sexuality yet . He doesnt have any choice and he will go to hell . Just like a group called lavat in islam , who used to be homosexual and they went to hell

Stryker125
January 14th, 2014, 01:00 PM
Not really. There's a few verses that have been interpreted that way, but they've been taken out of context. Jesus said the only commandments you need to worry about are to love God, love others, and don't be a cock. In that order.

Living For Love
January 14th, 2014, 02:40 PM
Does it state in the bible that if you are gay you go to hell? Because I really want to know, all of those gay people who love god and they get sent to hell just don't make sense to me. Please help! Its quite personal.

As a Lutheran Christian, I can tell you that this is a topic that divides lots of people, especially amongst Protestants like me and Catholics.

Now, if you ask me if being sexually and emotionally attracted to other people is a sin, then I tell you "No", it is not a sin. But if you ask whether having anal sex with another man is a sin, then I tell you "Yes", it is indeed a sin, just like smoking is a sin, just like taking drugs is a sin, just like masturbation can be considered a sin.

You know, we all commit sins every single day of our lives, even the godliest of all Christians commits some sins in certain points of their lives. Doing bad things is something that's imbibed in our human nature. Our human nature is evil by default: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23). And now you may say: "What? This means that when I was born I was already a sinner?" Yes, you weren't already a sinner, but sin was already inside your human nature, sin was already in control of you, you were already its slave when you were born.

For example, a normal thing for a young child to do is to disobey their parents, not obey them, is to do dangerous stuff like put their fingers in power sockets, not doing good things such as cleaning their bedroom or helping their mothers. Their human nature is naturally evil, not because they've committed any sins, but because their fathers, and mothers and grandparents have all committed sins, including Adam and Eve, the two responsible for allowing sin to enter the world. Therefore, sin is something hereditary; basically you're a sinner since the moment your father or mother committed a sin. When we're teenagers, that evil nature still continues to express itself, as it's common for us to "experiment", "try new things", "try everything at least once", because we're naturally wired in that way.

Being homosexual is not a sin, as long as there's no sexual contact between two men, because that's what the Bible forbidden. The problem is that what you consider homosexual may be different of what society considers and what Bible considers homosexual. I think that in this case it all depends on our conscience, on what we feel when we're actually doing it.

And even if you do it, God always forgives you, because his mercy and love know no boundaries, but that doesn't mean you can always do it knowing that He will always forgive you. God means love, but it also means justice, so don't try to trick Him, because you simply can't.

People go to Hell if they haven't accepted the fact that Jesus died for them, but there are a lot of other factors involved in this, it would take the whole day to explain them to you...

Sorry, but it's really hard to explain this by writing and not by actually talking with the other person. You can PM me if you like, it would be my pleasure to explain this to you.

Body odah Man
January 14th, 2014, 02:53 PM
Does it state in the bible that if you are gay you go to hell? Because I really want to know, all of those gay people who love god and they get sent to hell just don't make sense to me. Please help! Its quite personal.

I don't think it's in the original Aramaic Bible, nor the Vulgata (Latin version of the bible) or the Septaginta (Ancient Greek version) that you'll go to hell for being gay, I think it got added due to the stereotypes of societies as they evolved (in the old days many people were openly gay in Ancient Greece and it was respected so would be highly odd if the bible said it was wrong)

fordgtguy
January 14th, 2014, 02:58 PM
Sorry to say this but the bible is bs reason being is because it was written 800 years after the death of jesus which does not make any sense to me

Daniella98
January 14th, 2014, 03:00 PM
It makes me sad to see how many problems that book can cause. Maybe its because Im atheist and dont believe all the crap. Sorry

AlexOnToast
January 14th, 2014, 03:03 PM
People go to Hell if they haven't accepted the fact that Jesus died for them, but there are a lot of other factors involved in this, it would take the whole day to explain them to you...


Just to clarify,(not to start any arguments), Even tho I would probably be considered a good person, am I still going to hell for not believing in Jesus?

jeremy96
January 14th, 2014, 03:11 PM
I do believe in God but I think the Bible has too many exaggerations in it. I also seen Long Island Medium and a lot of that show has people who messed up or where certain ways that they didn't go to hell and God did create you that way then you have nothing to worry about.

Living For Love
January 14th, 2014, 03:20 PM
Just to clarify,(not to start any arguments), Even tho I would probably be considered a good person, am I still going to hell for not believing in Jesus?

What do you mean by "not believing in Jesus"? Not believing in his historical existence, the purpose for which he was sent to Earth or both?

AlexOnToast
January 14th, 2014, 03:22 PM
What do you mean by "not believing in Jesus"? Not believing in his historical existence, the purpose for which he was sent to Earth or both?

I have absolutely no belief in any religeon, so I don't believe he had any divine connection. (not saying that he didn't exist, or that he wasn't a great guy)

Living For Love
January 14th, 2014, 03:47 PM
I have absolutely no belief in any religeon, so I don't believe he had any divine connection. (not saying that he didn't exist, or that he wasn't a great guy)

In that case, sorry to say, and keeping in mind I'm not here to judge anyone, unless you change your attitude, I don't think you will inherit the kingdom of Heaven. And I'll just stop here because if there's something I totally hate is to talk about God and religion to those who don't want to hear about it. I just want you to know that I fully respect you because that's what you and everyone else deserve: respect, from everyone, regardless of their religious views.

AlexOnToast
January 14th, 2014, 03:51 PM
In that case, sorry to say, and keeping in mind I'm not here to judge anyone, unless you change your attitude, I don't think you will inherit the kingdom of Heaven. And I'll just stop here because if there's something I totally hate is to talk about God and religion to those who don't want to hear about it. I just want you to know that I fully respect you because that's what you and everyone else deserve: respect, from everyone, regardless of their religious views.

Thanks for actually giving a good answer :) And I'm not one of those people who doesnt want to hear about it, I'm interested in everyones opinion. And I think it's great that you have respect, not a lot of people do (on both sides of the coin). But just FYI, it isn't my attitude, I just happen to come from a background of no religion, not like I'm just some rebel or something XD And if I do burn for all eternity, at least I will always have the fact that I tried to live a good life

Living For Love
January 14th, 2014, 04:08 PM
Thanks for actually giving a good answer :) And I'm not one of those people who doesnt want to hear about it, I'm interested in everyones opinion. And I think it's great that you have respect, not a lot of people do (on both sides of the coin). But just FYI, it isn't my attitude, I just happen to come from a background of no religion, not like I'm just some rebel or something XD And if I do burn for all eternity, at least I will always have the fact that I tried to live a good life

You're still too young, you're only 13, I mean, anything can happen to you, you never know if you'll ever change your attitude towards religion, or God. I've always been a Christian, since I can remember, so I never actually felt that moment when you realise all the wrong stuff you did in the past and that you know you want to change your attitude, and act like a real Christian, with everything that the word comprises. I don't know the feeling of stop being an atheist and becoming a Christian, but I know what the feeling of being a Christian is, and it's something that gives me more pleasure than all the guys, girls, sex, masturbation, drugs and alcohol in the world, together, could ever give me.

jmx100
January 14th, 2014, 06:46 PM
well just saying most people say that gay and bi people are going to hell that's like a lot of people and also you can be gay or bi but you cant act on it so fuck that im going hell

CostumerServiceGuy
January 15th, 2014, 03:40 PM
I'm not particularly religious, but, i think so.... but, hey, i'm Hindu so wat do i know??

steellord321
January 15th, 2014, 03:56 PM
Do you believe that near death experience proves anything on the afterlife?

Then you can't believe people go to hell just for being gay cuz they report the same exact things as everyone else when they're brought back.

frisbee25
January 15th, 2014, 08:37 PM
I have a point to prove a book that was written 1000's of years ago and it was not even written by god himself so my point being is they wrote it along time ago and we still follow it. There are a few changes so we follow but we hate and believe that there is a hell and heaven if there was lots of people be dead by now. Also if there was god for real he would of changed the world and made it far for every body. If you see my point you will under stand

No offence to any sold god people. I do believe in god but when it comes to this topic I start to hate.

Daniella98
January 17th, 2014, 11:45 AM
I have absolutely no belief in any religeon, so I don't believe he had any divine connection. (not saying that he didn't exist, or that he wasn't a great guy)

My point exactly. Well put.
I dont believe in anything divine or heaven or hell.

Saint of Sinners
January 17th, 2014, 11:56 AM
Well, to answer your question

Is it stated that in the bible that Gay people go to hell: Well, there's many interpretations and stuff but in general, yes, the bible does say/strongly imply that.

Personally I don't believe that book, but that's what it says.

Daniella98
January 17th, 2014, 12:00 PM
Sorry I dont understand how anybody can believe in such ehm.. things. And go about all their life holding them selves down and staying away from doing things they know they would enjoy just because some people some thousand years ago wrote some harsh judgements. What a waste of good life. Sorry, I just must be a negative atheist

kryptonite
January 18th, 2014, 02:06 AM
Does it state in the bible that if you are gay you go to hell? Because I really want to know, all of those gay people who love god and they get sent to hell just don't make sense to me. Please help! Its quite personal.


In my opinion, you've got two types of people:
1) Religious
2) Non-religious

Obviously, number two doesn't give a crap, so let's just talk about number one. Of that group, there are two types of people.

1) Literal
2) Non-literal

The literal-believers believe the Bible word-for-word. They believe things happened exactly as they are written.

The non-literal generally believe things happened, but maybe not exactly as they were written. Things happened, then they were passed via word-of-mouth for several generations and translated, then they were written down.

If you're Christian, there are churches that are more literal and less literal. It is up to you to believe what you want to believe and how you want to believe it.

There are Christians out there who believe that being gay is a sin and that everyone should turn away from sin. There are Christians who believe that Jesus welcomed everyone to follow him and eat with him and whatever else and that includes gay people.

Marius44
January 18th, 2014, 09:29 AM
I'm not religious but it does say in the Bible that being gay is a sin. But, on the other hand, it does also say that eating shellfish, having sex before marriage and wearing multi-fabric clothes are sins. So, I would treat a lot of what the bible says as BS. However, the bible still says good things in some parts. I think that the Pope actually said a while ago that he doesn't matter if you're gay, as long as you're a good person.

Sanctum
January 18th, 2014, 10:02 AM
I'm not religious but it does say in the Bible that being gay is a sin. But, on the other hand, it does also say that eating shellfish, having sex before marriage and wearing multi-fabric clothes are sins. So, I would treat a lot of what the bible says as BS. However, the bible still says good things in some parts. I think that the Pope actually said a while ago that he doesn't matter if you're gay, as long as you're a good person.

When bible says something is wrong, it definitely has a reason fir it,although we might have not discovered it yet.
Having sex before marriage for example. it causes unexpected pregnancy and most of the divorces are due to pre-marriage intercourses.

The Flash
January 18th, 2014, 07:23 PM
The thing is, if you go to hell for being gay, I'm pretty sure there will be other reasons as to why you're going to hell. You don't just "sin" once in your whole lifetime. It's a sin to rebel against your parents, it's a sin to eat shell fish, it's a sin to steal. If you've done any of those, then you're probably going to hell (I know I am).
But from what I've heard about God, is that he's a forgiving guy, and he'll forgive you of your sins.

The Flash
January 18th, 2014, 07:24 PM
But think about it, if every gay goes down to hell, then hell must be a fabulous place ;)

Lovelife090994
January 19th, 2014, 04:53 AM
Just to clarify,(not to start any arguments), Even tho I would probably be considered a good person, am I still going to hell for not believing in Jesus?

I hate to admit it but sadly anyone who has flat out refused to accept God into their hearts by the words of God and the Bible it states that that person will nto inherit the Kingdom of God. This is not to say that all who don't go to Hell, but it pretty much does say that. Not insulting. Bottom line is no one can say who goes where, it is up to God to decide. True, many good people are in Hell, but many are in Heaven too. God sees the truth and looks past "flaws", "faults", "shames", "disagreeing ways", etc... God sees the heart. If one's heart is sincere and willing, then that makes all the difference. I wouldn't worry too much on it. Here it is I a Christian, but I'm trying to live to the best of my ability and to have my faith as I see fit, not as others do i.e. family. I think the "Who goes to hell?" question is one man cannot truly answer. Sorry this is lengthy...

-------------My answer---------------
While I do not think or honestly know if the Bible specifies if a homosexual goes to Hell right off, I do know it states numerous times what is and isn't sin and that homosexuality and the like is a sin. But know this, like all sins, it can be forgiven and just because you partake in it doesn't mean it is a one way ticket to Hell. It is complicated yet it isn't. Many see it differently based on interpretation, beliefs, and lifestyle. My answer is more by the book, you may disagree, but if so, that's cool.

WintersuN
January 19th, 2014, 06:12 AM
Anybody who's trying to sugar coat this, don't. Homosexuality and even bi-sexuality, even curiosity is deplorable in Christianity. There's no such thing as picking and choosing what you feel is acceptable in a religion, it is as it is and nothing less:

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 18:22 - Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

This is as clear as it gets. You will be put to death if a man has sexual relations with another man as if they were a woman. I'm not judging you, but God certainly will.

Star Wolf
January 19th, 2014, 07:03 AM
The bible has been changed and altered by many churches as the centuries have passed, so there is no way to really know for certain what the original text is and what has been changed for the churches to maintain power. I say take from it was feels right to you, study different interpretations, visit different thinking churches, and don't condemn yourself.

Carson99
January 19th, 2014, 07:34 AM
Responding to the original question, Jesus never said a thing about it. The New Testament has no mention of anything at all. Only two rules... love me and love they neighbor. Thats it.

But the Old Testament, referring to a mean vengeful God, states that it is a sin to "lie with man as with woman". I interpret that to mean just what it says. Which I have never done and currently have no desire to do.

I can thinks of lots of fun things to do, sex wise, other than the old "one on top, on on bottom" traditional sex, which is "as with woman".

That is, of course, for those who believe in things like ancient sacred books...

darthearth
January 30th, 2014, 01:42 AM
Anybody who's trying to sugar coat this, don't. Homosexuality and even bi-sexuality, even curiosity is deplorable in Christianity. There's no such thing as picking and choosing what you feel is acceptable in a religion, it is as it is and nothing less:

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 18:22 - Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

This is as clear as it gets. You will be put to death if a man has sexual relations with another man as if they were a woman. I'm not judging you, but God certainly will.

One should not completely equate Christianity with the infallible text dogma that is commonly found in Christianity, they are two different things. I think Christianity consists entirely of following the 10 commandments, loving God, loving your neighbor and believing in Jesus Christ as the risen from the dead Son of God, our Savior. The Law has been crucified to the cross anyway, we are to be discerning new creations, not legalistic rule followers.

I believe much of the Old Testament law (including the Leviticus passages you mention) was written entirely by ignorant priests to deal with certain situations that came up, far from being God's inspired Word and that Saint Paul could have been humanly ignorant on some non-theological issues. And I am still a Christian, I believe even 1st John says I am. I don't feel anything to do with homosexuality is sinful at all, outside of transgressing the Moral Law (as discussed by C.S. Lewis, I am currently reading his Mere Christianity) that anyone, including heteros can transgress. :D

Celtics
February 2nd, 2014, 12:40 AM
the bible says "its a abomination to god", I am christian. But then I think the bible was written thousands of years ago and so some guy that wrote it just changed it because he/she hated gays. Like how could we know what God actually thinks, it also mentions that if women have sex before there married they should get stoned to death but you don't see people doing that. Be nice if God could update it a little from time to time.

Its Pretty
February 2nd, 2014, 01:42 AM
Actually, Gay people aren't sentenced to hell. In fact, nobody is. The main reason for this, above all, Is that hell (or heaven for that matter) exist only in the imaginations of wishful people who prefer to live in a dreamland then in the reality that surrounds them. I'm sorry, but it's the truth.

Faolan
February 2nd, 2014, 01:59 PM
Those parts of the bible are around three thousand years old, the people then lived in a completely different world than we do, and had incredibly different problems. My view on the bible is that it should not be taken literally, and that it is not okay to pick and choose which passages to abide by. For example, we have no problem with mixing fabrics in clothing and eating seafood, so why should being gay be sinful? It just doesn't make sense to me.

DeadEyes
February 8th, 2014, 02:36 AM
Hell probably does not exist and if there is any, we are living in it already.

Danagal
February 28th, 2014, 10:05 PM
Might want to keep it personel.

Were
March 3rd, 2014, 02:04 PM
yes the Bible says that they will go to hell

Troye
March 3rd, 2014, 06:45 PM
(Before you read understand i'm biased in the fact that i'm secular)

While the bible does state that "a man who lays with another man" is damned to hell, I have a hard time believing that an all loving god can send someone to hell for something they were born with. The Christian god is a god of acceptance and love, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Croconaw
March 3rd, 2014, 06:47 PM
There is no god, heaven, or hell.

Troye
March 3rd, 2014, 06:59 PM
There is no god, heaven, or hell.

I agree but for gay people who do belong to a religion, it can be a weird thing to think about.

Croconaw
March 3rd, 2014, 07:01 PM
I agree but for gay people who do belong to a religion, it can be a weird thing to think about.

It can, but I don't see why a god would send you somewhere for being what he made you.

Troye
March 3rd, 2014, 07:03 PM
It can, but I don't see why a god would send you somewhere for being what he made you.

I agree completely.. i'm gay and have never really been part of a religion but I dont understand how a certain religion can claim the being that made you the way you are made you that way to dislike you...

Stryker125
March 3rd, 2014, 08:32 PM
(Before you read understand i'm biased in the fact that i'm secular)

While the bible does state that "a man who lays with another man" is damned to hell, I have a hard time believing that an all loving god can send someone to hell for something they were born with. The Christian god is a god of acceptance and love, so I wouldn't worry about it.

All that stuff comes from ignoring context and original languages. The original Greek and Hebrew versions don't actually say homosexuality is a sin, or anything bad about gays at all. In fact, there are a few same sex relationships mentioned in the bible that are celebrated, not condemned.

Like Troye said, God is love.