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[dontfiguremeout]

Okay, so I'm doing a debate exercise thing for argument essays in AP English, and our teacher said there's no off limits to any subject. So my debate idea was for Nazi Germany because of the Holocaust. So we have two opinionated questions we have to write down, and so I'm going to share one of my questions for you guys to debate.

Should the Nazi soldiers after Holocaust be tortured like they did to the Jews?

Please please keep this debate clean, because it's an extremely touchy subject and I don't want it to get out of hand! I want to see your opinions and debate about it though!

[Elysium]

As much as I'd love to see justice done for what they did to people during the Holocaust, two wrongs don't equal a right. I would be very disappointed if they were punished that way.

[fordgtguy]

I do not believe soldiers should be punished for what they did. They had no choice to do that and hitler was pretty much a dictator. Put it this way hitler was a fucking genius but a sick man he was able to get millions and millions of people within a matter of years believe whatever he said so he pretty much brain washed everyone so its not the soilders fault its hitlers fault

[Sir Suomi]

Waffen-SS members? Hell yes. They were the main group responsible for the war crimes committed during the Holocaust. They were led by Heinrich Himmler, who used their forces as both military combatants (They existed outside the regular German military however, think of them more as a Special Ops branch) and as a secret police force that tracked down and killed those who were deemed as unfit to Nazi Germany.

However, the rest of the German military branches, the Heer (Army), the Luftwaffe (Air force), and the Kriegsmarine (Navy), for the most part, should not have been punished. They were not responsible for the majority of the Holocaust victims, instead the Waffen-SS was to blame.

So remember in your argument, that is if you agree with me, to state that the Waffen-SS was separate from the Wehrmacht, and that a lot of the Wehrmacht soldiers were simply waging a war, and was not behind the Holocaust.

[Gigablue]

No. What would that achieve? It wouldn't bring back those killed in the holocaust. It would simply be an unnecessary human rights violation. Torturing people is unacceptable, regardless of what those people have done in the past. Everyone has the same basic human rights, and no crime, no matter how heinous, can void them.

[LouBerry]

Okay, so I'm doing a debate exercise thing for argument essays in AP English, and our teacher said there's no off limits to any subject. So my debate idea was for Nazi Germany because of the Holocaust. So we have two opinionated questions we have to write down, and so I'm going to share one of my questions for you guys to debate.

Should the Nazi soldiers after Holocaust be tortured like they did to the Jews?

Please please keep this debate clean, because it's an extremely touchy subject and I don't want it to get out of hand! I want to see your opinions and debate about it though!

No, that's sick. Some of them should be, yes, but consider this. Most Nazi's didn't like what they were doing. A lot of them never hurt a soul, just patrolled streets and helped run the country and kept shit together. Then, you can imagine that most of the ones doing it, hated it, but if they didn't do it, the man beside them would, and they would probably die in the process too, not that that makes it right or okay but every Nazi wasn't Hitler.

[Ashthefox]

That wouldn't do anything but piss off Germans. They should definitely be punished, but that's a little extreme.

[Stronk Serb]

The Waffen Schutz Staffel was solely resoonsibe everywhere except in the Slavic countries. There the Wermacht was responsible for many attrocities, like the Student Massacre in Kragujevac were 350 students and their teachers were shot as a punishment for the resistance groups. For every killed German, 100 civilians were shot, for wounded, 50. Also not to mention the attrocities in the USSR. Burning villagers in churches, shooting children and hanging people... I could go on.

[AlexOnToast]

I do not believe soldiers should be punished for what they did. They had no choice to do that and hitler was pretty much a dictator. Put it this way hitler was a fucking genius but a sick man he was able to get millions and millions of people within a matter of years believe whatever he said so he pretty much brain washed everyone so its not the soilders fault its hitlers fault

Not the soldiers fault? Most of them hated jew, and they didnt HAVE to kill anybody, even if it meant they got punished. If I was in the military and instructed to kill an innocent person, I would rather be punished or killed myself. I dont think they should be tortured because it wont make anything better, but i dont think the soldiers and officials who made and let those horrific things happen deserve sympathy. "If you stand and do nothing, you are as bad as the enemy"

[britishboy]

NO WAY! You can't say evil Nazis and do the same! Also if you allow torture to Nazis why not everyone?

[fordgtguy]

Not the soldiers fault? Most of them hated jew, and they didnt HAVE to kill anybody, even if it meant they got punished. If I was in the military and instructed to kill an innocent person, I would rather be punished or killed myself. I dont think they should be tortured because it wont make anything better, but i dont think the soldiers and officials who made and let those horrific things happen deserve sympathy. "If you stand and do nothing, you are as bad as the enemy"

Clearly you have no clue how hitler worked do some research then come back and reply. This was in the 40s people were nuts and yes some people hated the jews some dident care but those soilders were killed and or there family was killed if they dident do what they were told. Ive done many research projects on this topic so i understand

[AlexOnToast]

Clearly you have no clue how hitler worked do some research then come back and reply. This was in the 40s people were nuts and yes some people hated the jews some dident care but those soilders were killed and or there family was killed if they dident do what they were told. Ive done many research projects on this topic so i understand

It's funny how you assume that I dont know what I'm talking about. My Dad's a history teacher, and history is probably one of my best subjuects. Besides, the point I was making was that they still killed innocent people, so they arent innocent.

[fordgtguy]

It's funny how you assume that I dont know what I'm talking about. My Dad's a history teacher, and history is probably one of my best subjuects. Besides, the point I was making was that they still killed innocent people, so they arent innocent.

So is my uncle a history teacher and i see him all the time so i know a lot about history and enjoy it the most. Also put it this way if you have a guy that is willing to kill you or your family if you dont do what he says what are you gunna do stand up to him? you think he really cares about your life or your familys? im pretty sure the answer is no

[AlexOnToast]

So is my uncle a history teacher and i see him all the time so i know a lot about history and enjoy it the most. Also put it this way if you have a guy that is willing to kill you or your family if you dont do what he says what are you gunna do stand up to him? you think he really cares about your life or your familys? im pretty sure the answer is no

Of course I would rather my family be spared, but I wouldnt consider myself Innocent, and I would accept any punishment given to me because I couldnt live with myself knowing I killed innocent people.

[fordgtguy]

Of course I would rather my family be spared, but I wouldnt consider myself Innocent, and I would accept any punishment given to me because I couldnt live with myself knowing I killed innocent people.

Thats you though not the soilders if youre in that situation you view would be totally different

[Vlerchan]

"If you stand and do nothing, you are as bad as the enemy"Has your Dad ever told you about how Ireland remained neutral during WWII despite pleas from the allies for help - and then sent condolences to Germany on hearing of Hitler's death? I agree with the decision - involvement in WWII would have ended disastrously for us - but you've presented some awful reasoning right here to implicate German's who merely wanted to live the war out.

[fordgtguy]

Has your Dad ever told you about how Ireland remained neutral during WWII despite pleas from the allies for help - and then sent condolences to Germany on hearing of Hitler's death? I agree with the decision - involvement in WWII would have ended disastrously for us - but you've presented some awful reasoning right here to implicate German's who merely wanted to live the war out.

Finally someone who understands what actually happened not some 13 year old boy

[AlexOnToast]

Has your Dad ever told you about how Ireland remained neutral during WWII despite pleas from the allies for help - and then sent condolences to Germany on hearing of Hitler's death? I agree with the decision - involvement in WWII would have ended disastrously for us - but you've presented some awful reasoning right here to implicate German's who merely wanted to live the war out. Of course I know about Irelands stance during the war, and while I agree with you on the fact that it could have ended in disaster for us, I personally dont like the fact we let it pass, and I'm referring to the soldiers who killed innocent people, as I previously said. I never even referred to any punishments, I just said that I dont view anyone who kills an innocent person as innocent, even if I were forced to kill someone, I would consider myself a guilty man.

[fordgtguy]

Of course I know about Irelands stance during the war, and while I agree with you on the fact that it could have ended in disaster for us, I personally dont like the fact we let it pass, and I'm referring to the soldiers who killed innocent people, as I previously said. I never even referred to any punishments, I just said that I dont view anyone who kills an innocent person as innocent, even if I were forced to kill someone, I would consider myself a guilty man.

So then what are your views on capital punishment?

[AlexOnToast]

So then what are your views on capital punishment?

Althought that's not anything to do with the OP, I will answer that i dont agree with it because I dont believe and one human has the right to take another's life.

[Vlerchan]

[...] even if I were forced to kill someone, I would consider myself a guilty man.I'm not arguing with that; I'm arguing about this: "[...] but i dont think the soldiers and officials who made and let those horrific things happen deserve sympathy." The soldiers - "who made", anyway; "who let" is arguable - are certainly guilty; whether they wanted to or now they did commit war-crimes, but I'm against moving for some form of retribution against them - or even seeking to judge them. The knowledge of the crimes they committed against innocent civilians should be punishment enough. In short: I actually feel sorry for many of the German soldiers; I can only imagine how hard it would be to continue with such horrid memories.

[...] I personally dont like the fact we let it pass [...]
Let what pass? The war? It's one of the few things that De Valera's government(s) ever did that I agree with - well, partly: turning the country into a borderline-fascist police state was awful.

[Harry Smith]

Waffen-SS members? Hell yes. They were the main group responsible for the war crimes committed during the Holocaust. They were led by Heinrich Himmler, who used their forces as both military combatants (They existed outside the regular German military however, think of them more as a Special Ops branch) and as a secret police force that tracked down and killed those who were deemed as unfit to Nazi Germany.

However, the rest of the German military branches, the Heer (Army), the Luftwaffe (Air force), and the Kriegsmarine (Navy), for the most part, should not have been punished. They were not responsible for the majority of the Holocaust victims, instead the Waffen-SS was to blame.

So remember in your argument, that is if you agree with me, to state that the Waffen-SS was separate from the Wehrmacht, and that a lot of the Wehrmacht soldiers were simply waging a war, and was not behind the Holocaust.

This is just me being a WW2 perfectionist but the Waffern SS were never formally involved in the holocaust. The Waffen SS were the SS in the field-they committed some truly horrible crimes during the war but the holocaust wasn't all down to the Waffen SS it was more just the SS.

The Waffen SS as a whole shouldn't be accused of being behind the holocaust anymore than the German Army

So is my uncle a history teacher and i see him all the time so i know a lot about history and enjoy it the most. Also put it this way if you have a guy that is willing to kill you or your family if you dont do what he says what are you gunna do stand up to him? you think he really cares about your life or your familys? im pretty sure the answer is no

This is nothing to do about family or self defence, this is about WW2 and the Holocaust. Your just stretching out your argument to obscene lengths

[Sir Suomi]

This is just me being a WW2 perfectionist but the Waffern SS were never formally involved in the holocaust. The Waffen SS were the SS in the field-they committed some truly horrible crimes during the war but the holocaust wasn't all down to the Waffen SS it was more just the SS.

The Waffen SS as a whole shouldn't be accused of being behind the holocaust anymore than the German Army


Ah, my mistake. I was trying to use just my memory, and I must have switched to two around :rolleyes:

[Human]

No, they shouldn't, for a start, most of the armed forced were conscripted into fighting and the whole nation didn't necessarily support Nazism, they were often scared into it.
Those who did, I don't believe they should be tortured because then we are only going to the same level as them, we should put them in jail for a long time. Also, I dislike how people only talk about the Jews being killed, there were plenty of other groups people seem to forget about.

[Yolo98]

No , they were only doing their jobs

[Aajj333]

While they're were hatful Nazi soldiers they were just following orders influenced by Propoganda. In other circumstances you might be great friends with one of them. They might like to fish like you or like the same kind of music as you.

[HUSTLEMAN]

The regular soldiers of the German army right, because if so, you couldn't punish them, they were just following Hitler's orders. Now if you're talking about the limited group of people Hitler trusted and put into top positions of his gov't then I feel that they should have been tortured the same way they tortured all those people they put into the concentration camps.

[Harry Smith]

The biggest myth is that the German army were completely innocent because I can assure that they were not.

The commando order was carried out the German Army which said pretty much they had right to kill any allied commando's even if they were in uniform which is a direct war crime under the Hague and Geneva convention. The German Army carried out this order from the top right down to the bottom.

It wasn't a case of following orders-it was a case that they committed war crimes

[Sph2015]

Just for the record, my step great grandfather was a German soldier who defected as soon as he got the chance. He was a great man, and I can assure you there were many innocent members of the German army.

I think the sentence two wrongs don't make a right sums it up nicely. Life imprisonment for some? Certainly. No question about it. However, how are you going to sort through it all? In the end, they'll have to live with what they did. While I don't disagree there were some soulless people involved, you have to admit those memories and that guilt would equal a pretty horrible existence.

Either way, to answer the main question, tortured for war crimes? Hell no.