Biggest problem for gender equality?

[britishboy]

First things first I AM NOT A FEMINIST so please don't associate me with them.

I was wondering what is the biggest problem for gender equality, everyone points at respectable men and religion but I think it may be women themselves, what do you think?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuviSpncS4c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVuviSpncS4c

[Loca]

Our minds are the biggest barrier to gender equality.

[Harry Smith]

Sigh- the fact that you label feminists as them right at the start is bad enough. They're not a disease and someone would have to be pretty slow to label you a feminist

Why are you obsessed with Gender? This is about the 6th thread you've started on the topic and we always reach the same conclusion

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197472
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197460
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196993
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195046
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194216

So when a woman gets gang-raped in India it's the women fault? When a woman is shot to going to school it's her fault? When a woman can't become a bishop in the religion she's served its her fault? When a woman can't drive in Saudi Arabia it's her fault? But sure these are probably all carried out by respectable men so it must be fine

There's two causes of gender inequality- in the west it's social norms and attitudes. In the middle east it's the ruling class and the perversion of Islam which is preventing it

[britishboy]

Our minds are the biggest barrier to gender equality.

I didn't think it was the rose gardens, care to elaborate?

[Avenida105]

Sigh- the fact that you label feminists as them right at the start is bad enough. They're not a disease and someone would have to be pretty slow to label you a feminist

Why are you obsessed with Gender? This is about the 6th thread you've started on the topic and we always reach the same conclusion

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197472
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197460
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196993
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195046
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194216

So when a woman gets gang-raped in India it's the women fault? When a woman is shot to going to school it's her fault? When a woman can't become a bishop in the religion she's served its her fault? When a woman can't drive in Saudi Arabia it's her fault? But sure these are probably all carried out by respectable men so it must be fine

There's two causes of gender inequality- in the west it's social norms and attitudes. In the middle east it's the ruling class and the perversion of Islam which is preventing it

He pretty much covered everything. :yes:

[Ainsleyshea]

One is no good with out the other both men and woman are equal in diffrent way

[britishboy]

Nobody has answered my question, what do you think is the biggest problem? Is it women? Education? Are men superior? Does it even matter? These are the things to talk about on this thread, please elaborate and continue the conversation.

[Harry Smith]

Sigh- the fact that you label feminists as them right at the start is bad enough. They're not a disease and someone would have to be pretty slow to label you a feminist

Why are you obsessed with Gender? This is about the 6th thread you've started on the topic and we always reach the same conclusion

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197472
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197460
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196993
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195046
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194216

So when a woman gets gang-raped in India it's the women fault? When a woman is shot to going to school it's her fault? When a woman can't become a bishop in the religion she's served its her fault? When a woman can't drive in Saudi Arabia it's her fault? But sure these are probably all carried out by respectable men so it must be fine

There's two causes of gender inequality- in the west it's social norms and attitudes. In the middle east it's the ruling class and the perversion of Islam which is preventing it

Nobody has answered my question, what do you think is the biggest problem? Is it women? Education? Are men superior? Does it even matter? These are the things to talk about on this thread, please elaborate and continue the conversation.

I answered it, and the problem is people like you who Blame women for all the injustices forced upon them. It's nothing to do with your perverse view that men are somehow superior

[britishboy]

I answered it, and the problem is people like you who Blame women for all the injustices forced upon them. It's nothing to do with your perverse view that men are somehow superior
Read the OP
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuviSpncS4c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVuviSpncS4c

[Stronk Serb]

Sigh- the fact that you label feminists as them right at the start is bad enough. They're not a disease and someone would have to be pretty slow to label you a feminist

Why are you obsessed with Gender? This is about the 6th thread you've started on the topic and we always reach the same conclusion

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197472
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197460
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196993
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195046
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194216

So when a woman gets gang-raped in India it's the women fault? When a woman is shot to going to school it's her fault? When a woman can't become a bishop in the religion she's served its her fault? When a woman can't drive in Saudi Arabia it's her fault? But sure these are probably all carried out by respectable men so it must be fine

There's two causes of gender inequality- in the west it's social norms and attitudes. In the middle east it's the ruling class and the perversion of Islam which is preventing it

You summed it up pretty good. In some cases men are to blame because they can change it, like in the Middle East. An example from Serbia, a schoolgirl gets raped by a teacher on a school trip, her parents tell her it's her fault. She becomes depressed and commits suicide. If she was supported by her parents and went with them to the police, the man responsible would be behind bars. If there was no women, there would be no men, they should be equal.

[SosbanFach]

Read the OP
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuviSpncS4c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVuviSpncS4c

I'm sorry, but that is too irritating to endure.

Personally, I don't believe that there is necessarily any one main cause of gender inequality universally. In the west, however, I agree that the most major issue is the attitude of what are (hopefully) a minority. By this, I mean the delegation of some otherwise neutral professions to one or the other, attitudes regarding domestic tasks, and even a degree of objectifisation of the female body.

In the Middle East and Asia, particularly areas of Orthodox Islam, things have much further to go. Men are taught that they are superior and dominant over women, and religious scripts class women as property. They simply don't have the same legal rights or social stature as men, (education, driving, independence, voting, employment, wages, marriage etc.)and that is a huge problem. The solution there lies not only with equalising legally enshrined rights, but also re-educating men (the younger generation) on social roles and equality. Undoubtedly, nothing will change quickly in these often highly conservative nations.

[LouBerry]

Nobody has answered my question, what do you think is the biggest problem? Is it women? Education? Are men superior? Does it even matter? These are the things to talk about on this thread, please elaborate and continue the conversation.

No. No no no no no. This discussion is the problem. The fact that we have to talk about Gender Equality is the damn problem. Women are people. Men are people. Both are necessary for life and should be treated the same. So to answer more directly, how the Hell are women the problem? Because we are unhappy with what we're getting now? Should we sit back submissively and let our futures be decided for us? Absolutely not. Education isn't the problem, because people don't learn how to treat others in school. They learn it at home. Men are clearly not superior. No one is superior. This is like black vs. white all over again, men and women are the same. Same cells, same blood, same feelings. We are all equal.

And Hell yes it matters. People who think it doesn't matter ARE the problem.

[britishboy]

No. No no no no no. This discussion is the problem. The fact that we have to talk about Gender Equality is the damn problem. Women are people. Men are people. Both are necessary for life and should be treated the same. So to answer more directly, how the Hell are women the problem? Because we are unhappy with what we're getting now? Should we sit back submissively and let our futures be decided for us? Absolutely not. Education isn't the problem, because people don't learn how to treat others in school. They learn it at home. Men are clearly not superior. No one is superior. This is like black vs. white all over again, men and women are the same. Same cells, same blood, same feelings. We are all equal.

And Hell yes it matters. People who think it doesn't matter ARE the problem.

Did you watch the video, I'm saying women are holding it back. Please watch the video before replying.

I'm sorry, but that is too irritating to endure.

Personally, I don't believe that there is necessarily any one main cause of gender inequality universally. In the west, however, I agree that the most major issue is the attitude of what are (hopefully) a minority. By this, I mean the delegation of some otherwise neutral professions to one or the other, attitudes regarding domestic tasks, and even a degree of objectifisation of the female body.

In the Middle East and Asia, particularly areas of Orthodox Islam, things have much further to go. Men are taught that they are superior and dominant over women, and religious scripts class women as property. They simply don't have the same legal rights or social stature as men, (education, driving, independence, voting, employment, wages, marriage etc.)and that is a huge problem. The solution there lies not only with equalising legally enshrined rights, but also re-educating men (the younger generation) on social roles and equality. Undoubtedly, nothing will change quickly in these often highly conservative nations.

She was right and wrong about a few things we are different but actually womens brains are wired differently for multitasking so they're actually better!

People are quick to say women are being objectified but what men see of women on TV, magazines etc men are treated the same.

In the middle east both man and women is happy so change isn't happening.

[Sugaree]

In the middle east both man and women is happy so change isn't happening.

What Middle East are you looking at? Perhaps the Middle East End of London? The women in the Middle East don't even have many basic human rights.

[Captain Canada]

....The fuck.... What do I think? The main problem is that this is a discussion in the first place. If you think men are better than woman well... your wrong but each person has their own opinion. The fact that your only support is some shitty youtube video made by someone who lets themself be underestimated is just.... mindblowing.

The main thing holding back both genders being equal is the people. Some are too ignorant to realize that the world is changing and we and our rights have to change with it, not stay back in the times where women couldn't vote or couldn't get a job just because they were women.

[lijrobert]

I really think the biggest problem is hardcore feminists. When I say hardcore, I mean hardcore. This means the women that think that all men are scum or/and want men to be the modern day equivalent of what women were so many years ago.

I'm not saying the oppression of women was OK, but I don't think the positions should be reversed. We should be totally equal without oppression on any side.

[AlexOnToast]

I'm sorry, but that is too irritating to endure.

Personally, I don't believe that there is necessarily any one main cause of gender inequality universally. In the west, however, I agree that the most major issue is the attitude of what are (hopefully) a minority. By this, I mean the delegation of some otherwise neutral professions to one or the other, attitudes regarding domestic tasks, and even a degree of objectifisation of the female body.

In the Middle East and Asia, particularly areas of Orthodox Islam, things have much further to go. Men are taught that they are superior and dominant over women, and religious scripts class women as property. They simply don't have the same legal rights or social stature as men, (education, driving, independence, voting, employment, wages, marriage etc.)and that is a huge problem. The solution there lies not only with equalising legally enshrined rights, but also re-educating men (the younger generation) on social roles and equality. Undoubtedly, nothing will change quickly in these often highly conservative nations.
I second that motion :)

[Captain Canada]

In the middle east both man and women is happy so change isn't happening.

Holy shit are you ignorant... I'm glad I watch global news once in a while and I'm not completely closed off from the world. Yes, we are all quoting this one statement because like Harry said, this is arguably the stupidest thing you've come up with. Women arent allowed to drive in the middle east, do you think they are happy about that? Hell no. Open up your eyes and see that the world isn't some fantasy where everyone is happy and life isnt made up of rainbows. And yes, you do think that. Why do I say this? Because all of the posts that Harry listed have you trying to get your extremely biased opinion seen by everyone and you not being able to actually read what people are saying.

The truth is no, most women are not happy with the "rights" they have in the middle east.

Also, like I said (To not totally get off topic) both genders are equal and not equal. No we are not equal because we were born a man or a woman. We are equal because all humans are equal no matter what age, gender, or sexual preference. The fact that people are too ignorant and too close-minded with whatever traditional beliefs they may have is whats holding society back from realizing gender equality. Just because women may or may not be able to do certain jobs as men means we are not equal? No, this just means we are different. Different does not mean not equal. It just proves that we are human and as a human we are all equal.

[LouBerry]

Did you watch the video, I'm saying women are holding it back. Please watch the video before replying.


I'm am aware of what the video says, I was commenting on what YOU said.

[Stronk Serb]

To the thread maker, I am pretty sure that Middle Eastern women want to go to school have a job, drive a car, be free to wear what they like, be able to see their children after divorce, not be subject to any abuse by the men, marry whoever they want, choose what to do with their body, or in case of homosexuality be treated the same and not be prosecuted for who they are, same applies for males. I could go on, but i'm lazy to type it.

[Small town girl]

First things first I AM NOT A FEMINIST so please don't associate me with them.

I was wondering what is the biggest problem for gender equality, everyone points at respectable men and religion but I think it may be women themselves, what do you think?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuviSpncS4c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVuviSpncS4c

What do you mean by "IM NOT A FEMINIST", is it that you don't believe in equality or is it that you think many "feminists" are a little "over the top" about their opinions?

[britishboy]

What do you mean by "IM NOT A FEMINIST", is it that you don't believe in equality or is it that you think many "feminists" are a little "over the top" about their opinions?

It's self explanatory really, I am not a feminist, why? Because they're loony. For example PIV sex is always rape? That's crazy.

www.witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

[Eurasian guy]

Sigh- the fact that you label feminists as them right at the start is bad enough. They're not a disease and someone would have to be pretty slow to label you a feminist

Why are you obsessed with Gender? This is about the 6th thread you've started on the topic and we always reach the same conclusion

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197472
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197460
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196993
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195046
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194216

So when a woman gets gang-raped in India it's the women fault? When a woman is shot to going to school it's her fault? When a woman can't become a bishop in the religion she's served its her fault? When a woman can't drive in Saudi Arabia it's her fault? But sure these are probably all carried out by respectable men so it must be fine

There's two causes of gender inequality- in the west it's social norms and attitudes. In the middle east it's the ruling class and the perversion of Islam which is preventing it

You are correct in those examples, but Feminism will never solve anything there. They have no influence there at all. And if they did go there, they would most likely be killed if they acted upon feminism. But I spoke to a girl from Saudi Arabia and she told me that she's fine with it, it's her religion. But she doesn't have as much freedom as other parts of the world.

No. No no no no no. This discussion is the problem. The fact that we have to talk about Gender Equality is the damn problem. Women are people. Men are people. Both are necessary for life and should be treated the same. So to answer more directly, how the Hell are women the problem? Because we are unhappy with what we're getting now? Should we sit back submissively and let our futures be decided for us? Absolutely not. Education isn't the problem, because people don't learn how to treat others in school. They learn it at home. Men are clearly not superior. No one is superior. This is like black vs. white all over again, men and women are the same. Same cells, same blood, same feelings. We are all equal.

And Hell yes it matters. People who think it doesn't matter ARE the problem.

Exactly ^

I agree with what you're saying here. I don't believe men and women are superior over one another. I mean if you're gonna talk about upper body strength, then of course men would win that one. But that's not even relevant in this world when people can carry guns and crap. But white people do have a higher IQ over black people on average by roughly 30 points. But that's not biology though, that's just a lot of people in African cultures don't further their education and or don't even go to school.

But yes, bottom line. Everyone is equal. What men lack in one area, we may make up in others. What women lack in areas make up in others. And i think it is actually equal right now. But that's why i don't like feminists. Because for one side to make a win, the other side makes a loss. And that means they are fighting for superiority.

To the thread maker, I am pretty sure that Middle Eastern women want to go to school have a job, drive a car, be free to wear what they like, be able to see their children after divorce, not be subject to any abuse by the men, marry whoever they want, choose what to do with their body, or in case of homosexuality be treated the same and not be prosecuted for who they are, same applies for males. I could go on, but i'm lazy to type it.

I think you're missing the point though. Those women in those counties are forced, they don't have a choice because the majority of their population including the women follow their religion which stops them from making thses choices. Men are different there. They have the choices. They can stone their wives for cheating etc. I know this because i spoke to a girl from Saudi Arabia on this topic.

....The fuck.... What do I think? The main problem is that this is a discussion in the first place. If you think men are better than woman well... your wrong but each person has their own opinion. The fact that your only support is some shitty youtube video made by someone who lets themself be underestimated is just.... mindblowing.

The main thing holding back both genders being equal is the people. Some are too ignorant to realize that the world is changing and we and our rights have to change with it, not stay back in the times where women couldn't vote or couldn't get a job just because they were women.

You're pretty much correct on all of it. But i believe feminism has run it's full coarse already because women are already equal now. And to say otherwise would be ridiculous. Women already have more rights, men have very little say when it comes to children, divorces, abortions etc. But still, there are areas where men excel too. I think it's equal now. And do change more wouldn't be a good thing.


-merged multiple posts. -Emerald Dream

[Vlerchan]

Because for one side to make a win, the other side makes a loss.This is an awful way to look at it.

When the rights of, and values emplaced on, the genders are brought into closer proximation it's a win for humanity as a whole.

But i believe feminism has run it's full coarse already because women are already equal now.Legally: maybe. Socially: no.

[...] men have very little say when it comes to children,[1] divorces,[2] abortions[3] [...]

[1] & [2]: These are largely social issues as opposed to legal ones; it's the current prevailing mindsets that need to be changed as opposed to laws - you'll find that (most) feminists are in favour of changing these mindsets; I am, anyway.

[3]: I don't believe a man should have the right to exert control over his partner's body.

EDIT:
It's self explanatory really, I am not a feminist, why? Because they're loony. For example PIV sex is always rape? That's crazy.
I'm loony?

Though, point is: what you're doing here is defining an entire movement by the opinions of it's most radical fringe. All left-liberals aren't communists the same was as all feminists are foaming-at-the-mouth misandrists.

[Typhlosion]

How to be controversial on VT...

Biggest problem? The fact that are unequal, even slightly - we cannot make up for certain biological aspects for true equality.

Unless, of course, men will be able to have a maternity leave if the wife takes one. Paternity leave does exist, but not to the fullest extent of a maternity leave.

Plus, depending on the country, a maternity leave can be very costly and risky to a company, especially if the female in question has a high administrative function. Denmark, Norway, S. Korea have leaves that extend to an year(!) and the normal 3 mo. is still considerable to companies. Men don't have leaves, so it's "safer" to employ them.

Then you have some people claiming that the maternity leave should be at a minimum of X more months and also decide to pack in a equal paternity leave as well. Utopia.

Note: I am not against equilibrating men's and women's rights. I'm just saying that there is no true equality, and we must accept that it is, per human definition, unachievable.
(Unless, of course, we throw away all considerations to human rights)

[britishboy]

Though, point is: what you're doing here is defining an entire movement by the opinions of it's most radical fringe. All left-liberals aren't communists the same was as all feminists are foaming-at-the-mouth misandrists.

Feminists are crazy, it's not about equality, women dance for men, TERRIBLE! Women sit on men, put their feet up on men for adverts but that is of course fine. It's a double standard. Most real feminists are loopy as well (if not all are) women should be paid the same because they're human, not because they're female.

Left wing is not communism, they're far left.

[Vlerchan]

Feminists are crazy [1], it's not about equality [2], women dance for men, TERRIBLE![3] Women sit on men, put their feet up on men for adverts but that is of course fine[4]. It's a double standard[5]. Most real feminists are loopy as well (if not all are)[6] women should be paid the same because they're human, not because they're female[7].

[1]: Again: stop lumping all feminists in with the fringe elements of the current movements. It makes you look ignorant if not down-right stupid.

[2]: It's not? Enlighten me then. Last time I checked it was about equality.

[3]: Says who?

[4]: Why not?

[5]: It'd be double-standards if a feminist agreed with both the latter and the former. A majority of feminists don't.

[6]: What's a real feminist? Again: enlighten me.

[7]: Glad we agree on something.

Left wing is not communism, they're far left.
You missed my point entirely.

You continue to lump all feminists in with the radicals. That's the problem here. It's similar to conservatives lumping all left-liberals in with communists.

Paternity leave does exist, but not to the fullest extent of a maternity leave.That's why in Ireland they're trying to bring in legislation that will allow parents to share given maternity leave. (Source) ([url=http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0711/461808-maternity-leave-bill/)

It's coming into Britian, too. (Source) (url=http://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/nov/29/jo-swinson-conflict-jobs-family-life)

[britishboy]

[1]: Again: stop lumping all feminists in with the fringe elements of the current movements. It makes you look ignorant if not down-right stupid.

[2]: It's not? Enlighten me then. Last time I checked it was about equality.

[3]: Says who?

[4]: Why not?

[5]: It'd be double-standards if a feminist agreed with both the latter and the former. A majority of feminists don't.

[6]: What's a real feminist? Again: enlighten me.

[7]: Glad we agree on something.


You missed my point entirely.

You continue to lump all feminists in with the radicals. That's the problem here. It's similar to conservatives lumping all left-liberals in with communists.

All feminists are crazy, double standards and hypocrisy common in what they say. That is why women that want real equality don't call themselves feminists, it's why comedians make fun of feminists.

They look at a beautiful womem and say she only wears make up to please men, shaves her legs to please men, all the stories they tell to fuel hatred to men, no regard for good looking men.

[Typhlosion]

All feminists are crazy, double standards and hypocrisy common in what they say. That is why women that want real equality don't call themselves feminists, it's why comedians make fun of feminists.

They look at a beautiful womem and say she only wears make up to please men, shaves her legs to please men, all the stories they tell to fuel hatred to men, no regard for good looking men.Are you sure about that?fem·i·nism noun \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\
: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities

: organized activity in support of women's rights and interests

Full Definition of FEMINISM

1
: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2
: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

By definition, feminists are "women that want real equality." Jesus.
If you have an issue with extremist feminists (a.k.a. 'feminazis'), great. But honestly, you cannot pick a a rotten apple from a barrel and condemn the rest bad as well.
If you're discussing the word, feminism, then yes I agree, egalitarianism would be more appropriate, etymologically, but has a definition assigned to equal social/economic/opportunistic rights between everyone, not all genders.

But hey! Who's to crack the shell of a hardheaded man? Not I.

[Stronk Serb]

I think you're missing the point though. Those women in those counties are forced, they don't have a choice because the majority of their population including the women follow their religion which stops them from making thses choices. Men are different there. They have the choices. They can stone their wives for cheating etc. I know this because i spoke to a girl from Saudi Arabia on this topic.

That is my point. They are forced, many want to be equal, despite the religion.

[abc983055235235231a]

We all know that the guy who made this thread is 100% shades of wrong about everything, and everyone else has done a pretty thorough job explaining this, but I just want to address one thing which I don't think anyone has yet:


She was right and wrong about a few things we are different but actually womens brains are wired differently for multitasking so they're actually better!


If you're going to make that claim, I'm actually going to need a scientific study to go along with it. This happens to be an area I've been looking into in detail recently, and I don't think you're going to find ANY scientific study make a conclusion like that. Multitasking is a behavioural thing derived from cognitive abilities, and any scientific study would be focussing on cognitive abilities. And any conclusions that have been drawn about differences in cognitive abilities are extremely contentious right now, because we need to evaluate the extent to which they are significant, the extent to which they are biological, etc. So the fact that the brains are wired differently doesn't actually mean anything to you unless you know something about a brain science.

[Harry Smith]

All feminists are crazy, double standards and hypocrisy common in what they say. .

Once again your grandee stereotypes amaze me- you have no idea about anything you talk about.

That is why women that want real equality don't call themselves feminists, it's why comedians make fun of feminists.


Comedians make fun of everyone-if your argument is based on this you might as well build your castle on sand

Y. They have no influence there at all. And if they did go there, they would most likely be killed if they acted upon feminism. But I spoke to a girl from Saudi Arabia and she told me that she's fine with it, it's her religion. But she doesn't have as much freedom as other parts of the world.
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They said that about the gay rights movement in Utah as well. You'll be amazed at how quickly the social tide can change. Iran in the 1970's came closer than other Islamic country so I'd very much argue it could be possible.

So one girl in Saudi Arabia says she's fine with it? I'm going to invoke Godwins law and say if 1 Jew was fine with Hitlers acts in the 1930's does that justify it? Just because one ignorant girl in Saudi Arabia supports domestic abuse doesn't mean it's acceptable for a country

[Eurasian guy]

They said that about the gay rights movement in Utah as well. You'll be amazed at how quickly the social tide can change. Iran in the 1970's came closer than other Islamic country so I'd very much argue it could be possible.

So one girl in Saudi Arabia says she's fine with it? I'm going to invoke Godwins law and say if 1 Jew was fine with Hitlers acts in the 1930's does that justify it? Just because one ignorant girl in Saudi Arabia supports domestic abuse doesn't mean it's acceptable for a country

Well, at least i know someone lol. Your thesis is based sole research and nothing else. Statistics and facts are one thing. Yes i know them. But cultural input is another. She doesn't support it, she is neutral to it.

This is an awful way to look at it.

When the rights of, and values emplaced on, the genders are brought into closer proximation it's a win for humanity as a whole.



You do understand when it comes to gender laws there are only 2 sides. Especially with court cases such as family battles, custody of children etc. When the mother gets more custody the father loses his. Have you looked up the custody rates for mothers compared to farther. The mothers completely demolishes the farther success rate. The only way a father wins if he can genuinely provide a better future by far then the mother. Or the mother is deemed unfit to raise children. Usually the judge just gives the mother the children and takes the house and car off the father in the divorce settlement agreement so the mother can raise the children. And the farther looses everything. Everything he worked for, like his house, his kids he raised. Etc.

This happened to my farther. How many people do you know that are divorced? And how many of them live with their mother? I think you'll be surprised now that you think about it.

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Well, at least i know someone lol. Your thesis is based sole research and nothing else. Statistics and facts are one thing. Yes i know them. But cultural input is another. She doesn't support it, she is neutral to it.
...he's still right though.

You do understand when it comes to gender laws there are only 2 sides. Especially with court cases such as family battles, custody of children etc. When the mother gets more custody the father loses his. Have you looked up the custody rates for mothers compared to farther. The mothers completely demolishes the farther success rate. The only way a father wins if he can genuinely provide a better future by far then the mother. Or the mother is deemed unfit to raise children. Usually the judge just gives the mother the children and takes the house and car off the father in the divorce settlement agreement so the mother can raise the children. And the farther looses everything. Everything he worked for, like his house, his kids he raised. Etc.

This happened to my farther. How many people do you know that are divorced? And how many of them live with their mother? I think you'll be surprised now that you think about it.

The first issue with this entire line of reasoning is that you are stating something very specific: Parents are entitled to their children. We know that this is untrue (hence the existence of children's services, etc), but even if it were the case, it completely misses the point.
When we talk about divorce, it's sort of important that we look at things from the perspective of the children in question--not of their parents. So instead of looking at how the parents are affected by divorce, you should perhaps take a look at children (not just yourself, but children in general).
Also, by what token are fathers more entitled to children/houses/cars/etc than mothers? The alternative, according to you, would be that the mother loses everything. But if parents are entitled to their children (as they must be for anything you've said to even be coherent.... even though I've already said that is is untrue), and if presumably they have an equal entitlement to their children (as otherwise you wouldn't be upset about the apparent inequity of child custody), would they not also be equally entitled to their houses/cars/etc? Why is a father more entitled to those things than a mother?

Furthermore, I find it funny that you said "the children they raised", because that's the specific reason why mothers tend to get custody--because they tend to spend at least twice as much time actually raising children as fathers do (though this statistic is gradually changing in recent years).