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Malcolm Tucker
February 15th, 2008, 06:32 AM
DEKALB, Illinois (Reuters) - A black-clad man fired into a lecture hall packed with students at an Illinois university on Thursday, killing five people and wounding 18 before shooting himself dead, police and college officials said.

The gunman, who police said had a shotgun and two handguns, stepped onto the lecturer's stage near the end of a mid-afternoon geology class at Northern Illinois University and began shooting down the room, sending terrified and bleeding students fleeing, witnesses said. He then shot himself on the same stage.

Police on the 25,000-student college 65 miles west of Chicago said the gunman was a former student but they did not publicly identify him and said they did not know the motive in the latest in a series of shootings at U.S. colleges and high schools.

University President John Peters said there had been a "very brief rapid fire assault that ended with the gunman taking his own life." He said those killed by the gunman were all students -- four women and one man -- and that 4 were in critical condition in hospitals. The instructor teaching the class survived, he said.

"I ducked behind the seats and ran out the door," student Zach Seward told the local Daily Chronicle newspaper.

"As I was running, I just kept waiting for something to hit me in the back. I didn't know where to run, tried to decide where it's safe to be, and there isn't anywhere safe."

FORMER STUDENT

Peters said the gunman was a sociology major who last attended classes as a graduate student in the spring of 2007 and who may have since enrolled at a different college. He said he had no police record or previous contact with police

One student told local radio that roughly 140 students were in the classroom when the man opened fire. Ambulances swarmed onto the snow-covered campus and classes were canceled for the rest of the day and Thursday.

"Some girl got hit in the eye, a guy got hit in the leg," George Gaynor, a student who was in the hall told the Northern Star, the student newspaper on the campus.

Kristina Balluff, a student, said the gunman was dressed in black pants and had fired randomly from the raised classroom stage.

"I looked at this girl next to me and actually said, 'is this real?' I think the professor ... ducked out of the way."

Mass shootings are not rare in the United States, where gun control is less strict than in many countries and where the gun-ownership lobby is politically influential.

A university in Blacksburg, Virginia, Virginia Tech, became the site of the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history in April last year when a gunman killed 32 people and himself.

Last week, a nursing student shot dead two women and killed herself in front of horrified classmates at a college in Louisiana.

In December, a threat was found scrawled on a wall at Northern Illinois University referring to the Virginia shooting and threatening similar violence, but officials said they had no reason to link that to Wednesday's incident.

Sugaree
February 15th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Can everyone else say Virginia Tech?

The Batman
February 15th, 2008, 03:06 PM
This is getting all to common

Kaleidoscope Eyes
February 15th, 2008, 03:22 PM
I think the government needs to sit down and figure out what they're doing wrong, for so many people to be able to do things like this. Columbine, that Amish school, VA Tech, this school, and all of the others who don't get national press... That's way too many. When will people like this be under control?

Sugaree
February 15th, 2008, 03:24 PM
My grandpa was saying this just the other day that it seems the only way people settle problems is with guns or fighting and guns are used the most.

This is getting way out of hand.

Kaleidoscope Eyes
February 15th, 2008, 03:27 PM
This is getting way out of hand.

It really is. It's one of the things that make me wonder if I really want to stay in this country once I'm an adult. With so many other places I could go, it can't be too hard to find something better.

The Batman
February 15th, 2008, 03:31 PM
I don't think its the government that should see whats going on, but the schools should in most of these cases someone was pushed over the edge and for someone not even a student to do the shooting is even worse. I think that the schools need to crack down on bullying and start teaching kids better ways to solve their problems.

Sugaree
February 15th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Well the government can't check every single school and college out there right? It would be way too drastic but it's still going to happen. It's not going to stop. And of course even if guns are outlawed it's still going to happen

Bobby
February 15th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Well, I put my best wishes out to the friends and family of the victims.

The Batman
February 15th, 2008, 05:48 PM
It's sad that the only way we feel we can solve our problems is with violence I hate it that people do kill each other.

serial-thrilla
February 15th, 2008, 06:15 PM
people who shoot up schools are straight up pussies. They go and kill innocent people because they've been made fun of or had a bad life. Then after they're done they arent even man enough to face the conciquences and they kill themselves. They are the lowest of low.

The Batman
February 15th, 2008, 06:21 PM
But what about the people who pushed them to it or the ones the bullets were meant for who didn't get the bullet what about them they are the real wimps. They caused all of it and now they are responsible for all of these deaths

serial-thrilla
February 15th, 2008, 06:27 PM
although i do see where your coming from i disagree. I mean sure those people who pushed them to become evil were at fault but i mean we are all in control and responsible for our own actions. Excuses like "its not they're fault because they were bullied" sound pretty lame to me. This guy killed people who he had never met before, innocent young people, its really terrible how anyone could justify to themselves that killing innocent people would solve his own mental problems.

The Batman
February 15th, 2008, 06:33 PM
I completely understand that and your right they do have control of their own action but my biggest concern is that the school didn't try and stop someone who wasn't a student from coming on campus in the first place

Kaleidoscope Eyes
February 15th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Thomas, I see what you're saying, but it was a college. It's not like a high school or lower school where it's gated, and since they have so many students of so many different ages, they'd have to check every single person on campus unless they give out ID's to students and teachers to carry with them, which a lot of schools don't check except for when someone makes a purchase at the student store. Not to mention sometimes people are there as a guest of a teacher, or as a child of an older student (I remember having to go with my mom several times when she went back to school), and those people don't have ID's to show.

There are things that can be done still, like metal detectors or xrays like they have at the airport, for people to put their bags through, but that all costs a ton of money to install, and then you have to pay people to work them. There just isn't money for that. I think the best way to do things is to make it easier for people like this to get the help they need, and for people like the shooter in this case, who become violent when off of their medication, to be checked up on every few days or so (I read earlier today on Yahoo! that he had stopped taking his medication. If that's true, then this is even sadder, because a small pill could have prevented the whole thing). And then background checks need to be more efficient, so that people like the shooter at VA Tech don't keep slipping through the cracks. Like I said though, it all costs money, and no one is willing to spend it until it's too late.

Octo22
February 16th, 2008, 08:48 PM
Two things the U.S. needs to rework.

1) Gun control. Not saying get rid of it, just learn to control it like other nations seem to be able to.
2) Tipping. This may sound weird, just something I've noticed. In the states they can lower a waiters pay by the hour (to 3$) because 'tips' are included in his salary, which is supposed to be given for AWESOME service. They hate people who won't tip. No other nation does this.