Does anything matter?

[PerpetualImperfexion]

In 150 years, odds are all of us will be dead. Not long after that anyone we've ever met will follow suit. The human race will probably destroy itself within the next 300-500 years. Over the next couple million years the sun will heat up, expand, engulf the earth, and release an explosion that will wipe out our entire solar system. After that stars will continue to explode, the debris coming back together to form a new celestial body. This will happen repeatedly until everything is too far apart to come back together and the universe will freeze over.

Based on this, the fact that in several billion years, maximum, there will be no remnants of anything you, I, or the human race has accomplished, does anything actually have a purpose?

[Typhlosion]

You've got 150 years, tops, to make something out of your life. The universe? Yeah it's big. Let's hope we get space exploration well solid before the Earth ends. Who knows?

Based on this, the fact that in several billion years, maximum, there will be no remnants of anything you, I, or the human race has accomplished, does anything actually have a purpose?

Three answers:
A) Yes, God has a plan.
B) We are unsure if any ethereal being has a plan.
C) The universe simply "is". Anything that happened is a consequence of a previous event which in turn is a consequence of a previous event which in turn (...). The universe is not a being, so it cannot have the quality of "purpose". Since we are consequences of previous events, free-will is questionable. Are we simply "are"?

I'll go with C).

[DarkOmega]

You've got 150 years, tops, to make something out of your life. The universe? Yeah it's big. Let's hope we get space exploration well solid before the Earth ends. Who knows?



Three answers:
A) Yes, God has a plan.
B) We are unsure if any ethereal being has a plan.
C) The universe simply "is". Anything that happened is a consequence of a previous event which in turn is a consequence of a previous event which in turn (...). The universe is not a being, so it cannot have the quality of "purpose". Since we are consequences of previous events, free-will is questionable. Are we simply "are"?

I'll go with C).

god doesn't have a plan ..something that doesn't exit can make a plan . and its not millions of years its billions of years .so don't worry .but I agree with u on some parts ..try to make something out of it ..make it so its fun for u

[Lovelife090994]

god doesn't have a plan ..something that doesn't exit can make a plan . and its not millions of years its billions of years .so don't worry .but I agree with u on some parts ..try to make something out of it ..make it so its fun for u

Always try to have a want to better yourself. The distant future is out of reach but life is now and now can change. God has plans for us all even if it is a bit vague to us.
To DarkOmega, saying God doesn't exist solves nothing.

[DarkOmega]

Always try to have a want to better yourself. The distant future is out of reach but life is now and now can change. God has plans for us all even if it is a bit vague to us.
To DarkOmega, saying God doesn't exist solves nothing.

saying god exists does nothing .. saying god doesn't exits .puts ur life in ur own hand .. that means u do what ever u like with it . u have 1 .make the most out of it and try to enjoy it .. and seriously if u have more background check and more facts and documented ur self .u would know he doesn't exist ..

[Lovelife090994]

saying god exists does nothing .. saying god doesn't exits .puts ur life in ur own hand .. that means u do what ever u like with it . u have 1 .make the most out of it and try to enjoy it .. and seriously if u have more background check and more facts and documented ur self .u would know he doesn't exist ..

You have no right to debate one's faith is what I was saying. Many look to God and many look to him for help, strength, and purpose. If one finds God has a plan for them let them think that. Again combative speech solves nothing in this case.

[DarkOmega]

You have no right to debate one's faith is what I was saying. Many look to God and many look to him for help, strength, and purpose. If one finds God has a plan for them let them think that. Again combative speech solves nothing in this case.

yes I do .. I have all the rights to debate someone's faith lol .. the OP wasn't even talking about god and u brought it up . he didn't ask for it so why did u bring it up , so why did u say god has a plan for him . maybe he doesn't believe in god . or in ur god , maybe he does . so people don't ask for it ./don't mention it .that why I said god doesn't exit /did u like it ? no ... so maybe he didn't like it .. see how this goes both ways ..don't mention god everywhere cuz now everybody wants to hear it .and if u do this is what its gonna happen

[Typhlosion]

yes I do .. I have all the rights to debate someone's faith lol .. the OP wasn't even talking about god and u brought it up . he didn't ask for it so why did u bring it up , so why did u say god has a plan for him . maybe he doesn't believe in god . or in ur god , maybe he does . so people don't ask for it ./don't mention it .that why I said god doesn't exit /did u like it ? no ... so maybe he didn't like it .. see how this goes both ways ..don't mention god everywhere cuz now everybody wants to hear it .and if u do this is what its gonna happen

I said that God had a plan in my three 'options' to OP's answer. I respect those who have religion and they might believe that a God has a plan for them. I was in no way saying god exists/doesn't exist. I was just presenting possible answers from different religious viewpoints ^^

Even so, this wouldn't be the right place on debating others' religions, their validity and the existence of a god. Bashing that someone's belief is true or false like so can be very offensive, and most times they have (good) reasons to adhere to their religion. :) Personally, as suggested by C) in my first post, I'm an atheist.

[DarkOmega]

I said that God had a plan in my three 'options' to OP's answer. I respect those who have religion and they might believe that a God has a plan for them. I was in no way saying god exists/doesn't exist. I was just presenting possible answers from different religious viewpoints ^^

Even so, this wouldn't be the right place on debating others' religions, their validity and the existence of a god. Bashing that someone's belief is true or false like so can be very offensive, and most times they have (good) reasons to adhere to their religion. :) Personally, as suggested by C) in my first post, I'm an atheist.

I'm not bashing anyone ..I'm just saying .. give him practical things to do on his own .that way he can have "control" on what he's doing .. anyway .lets end it here ,

[Bleid]

saying god exists does nothing .. saying god doesn't exits .puts ur life in ur own hand .. that means u do what ever u like with it . u have 1 .make the most out of it and try to enjoy it .. and seriously if u have more background check and more facts and documented ur self .u would know he doesn't exist ..

Explain to me how you know this. I'd like even one, completely justifiable answer to explain to me how the non-existence is a necessary case.

You don't even have to go that far. I'd accept even a sliver of evidence that suggests that the existence is simply unlikely.



And to the original post:

Simply because something might not matter at some arbitrarily distant point in the future does not mean that it will not matter now, or near now. But, we do not even know if it's true that it won't matter in the distant future.

[DarkOmega]

Explain to me how you know this. I'd like even one, completely justifiable answer to explain to me how the non-existence is a necessary case.

You don't even have to go that far. I'd accept even a sliver of evidence that suggests that the existence is simply unlikely.



And to the original post:

Simply because something might not matter at some arbitrarily distant point in the future does not mean that it will not matter now, or near now. But, we do not even know if it's true that it won't matter in the distant future.

just a quick one .. there are tons of gods that had the same characteristics as him . and even jesus is portrayed as the sun , it all comes from constellations .there is a constellation that is called the crucifix constellation and the bs with 3 gods showing up to his birth . is the orion constellation . even without all this .there is evidence that after Rome became a "christian nation" the spreading of religion became a form of controlling people .and if u tell me the only reason u do good things in life . like the bible says .then I'm sure that the human race is lost lol that was just something quick I'm not gonna go in full details

[Kahn]

Everything matters, silly. Or nothing does. Either way, it's absolute.

It's how you choose to see things. :)

[Bleid]

just a quick one .. there are tons of gods that had the same characteristics as him . and even jesus is portrayed as the sun , it all comes from constellations .there is a constellation that is called the crucifix constellation and the bs with 3 gods showing up to his birth . is the orion constellation . even without all this .there is evidence that after Rome became a "christian nation" the spreading of religion became a form of controlling people .and if u tell me the only reason u do good things in life . like the bible says .then I'm sure that the human race is lost lol that was just something quick I'm not gonna go in full details

"even without all this"

As though any of that even took us an inch closer to the conclusion that there isn't a God.

To the following quotes from your post, I'll ask of each one, "What does this have to do with the existence of a God?"

there are tons of gods that had the same characteristics as him

Nothing.

and even jesus is portrayed as the sun , it all comes from constellations .there is a constellation that is called the crucifix constellation and the bs with 3 gods showing up to his birth .

Nothing.

. is the orion constellation .

Nothing yet.

.there is evidence that after Rome became a "christian nation" the spreading of religion became a form of controlling people .

Interesting.. Nothing.

.and if u tell me the only reason u do good things in life . like the bible says .then I'm sure that the human race is lost lol

You just changed my entire view of the wo - Nothing.

that was just something quick I'm not gonna go in full details

You might want to reconsider that, since, not even the sparks of a detail about the subject were present here.

It seems as though you're trying to take issue with the Christian religion, and somehow turn this into a non sequitur about the existence of a God.

_____________________________________

To the original post:

In 150 years, odds are all of us will be dead. Not long after that anyone we've ever met will follow suit. The human race will probably destroy itself within the next 300-500 years. Over the next couple million years the sun will heat up, expand, engulf the earth, and release an explosion that will wipe out our entire solar system. After that stars will continue to explode, the debris coming back together to form a new celestial body. This will happen repeatedly until everything is too far apart to come back together and the universe will freeze over.

Based on this, the fact that in several billion years, maximum, there will be no remnants of anything you, I, or the human race has accomplished, does anything actually have a purpose?

Wouldn't it be true of anything in the future that it certainly mattered about the past, considering, without the past, there is no future?

[DarkOmega]

"even without all this"

As though any of that even took us an inch closer to the conclusion that there isn't a God.

To the following quotes from your post, I'll ask of each one, "What does this have to do with the existence of a God?"



Nothing.



Nothing.



Nothing yet.



Interesting.. Nothing.



You just changed my entire view of the wo - Nothing.



You might want to reconsider that, since, not even the sparks of a detail about the subject were present here.

It seems as though you're trying to take issue with the Christian religion, and somehow turn this into a non sequitur about the existence of a God.

_____________________________________

To the original post:



Wouldn't it be true of anything in the future that it certainly mattered about the past, considering, without the past, there is no future?

I don't care about any religion . and what I was trying to say .its better to do something on your own .and enjoy ur life the way u make it .then to believe that god has a plan for you and do nothing .that's all I was trying to say

[Bleid]

I don't care about any religion . and what I was trying to say .its better to do something on your own .and enjoy ur life the way u make it .then to believe that god has a plan for you and do nothing .that's all I was trying to say

Fair enough. Don't see any issue with any of that.
The 'God doesn't exist' part was what threw me off.

[StoppingTime]

Sure, in probably less than a hundred years, you'll be dead. Depending on what your impacts on the world as a whole were, people might or might not remember you, who knows. Soon after, they'll be dead, and anyone who remembers you did anything will be dead. But don't worry, after that so will the entirely of the human race and, one day, there won't be anyone to remember that any of us ever did anything, ever.

And that doesn't matter to me, at all. Make whatever you want out of your life. If you want to believe that God controls it and there's a Plan and an afterlife, do it. If you don't, don't. But everyone here needs to seriously shut the fuck up and stop trying to challenge anyone who's religious with some snarky "but God doesn't exist." It's not only irritating and meaningless, but it just shows that you don't think anyone can have a belief if you, yourself, doesn't. There's no reason you need to tell people why you think they're wrong because they follow some sort of religion. just stop

[PerpetualImperfexion]

You've got 150 years, tops, to make something out of your life. The universe? Yeah it's big. Let's hope we get space exploration well solid before the Earth ends. Who knows?



Three answers:
A) Yes, God has a plan.
B) We are unsure if any ethereal being has a plan.
C) The universe simply "is". Anything that happened is a consequence of a previous event which in turn is a consequence of a previous event which in turn (...). The universe is not a being, so it cannot have the quality of "purpose". Since we are consequences of previous events, free-will is questionable. Are we simply "are"?

I'll go with C).

So if we ourselves and everything in the universe simply exists for the sake of existing, what is the point of continuing? Why doesn't everyone just stop and put a bullet in their brain?


And to the original post:

Simply because something might not matter at some arbitrarily distant point in the future does not mean that it will not matter now, or near now. But, we do not even know if it's true that it won't matter in the distant future.

I can say with absolute certainty that nothing will matter at anytime in the future. I know for a fact that when the very last star that ever existed explodes and never ever comes back together, anything that led up to that point will be for nothing. There is no "now". The second you try to explain "now" it's gone. And "now" is just composed of every event that has ever occured before it. It is one of the forementioned arbitrary distant points in time. What happens in the middle doesn't matter when in the end there will be nothing but an empty vacuum.

[Loca]

Im thinking about the true intention of life. I dont know why we are here. Ist it just to have children? Ist it to amuse God in his spare time? I really dont know.

[Bleid]

I can say with absolute certainty that nothing will matter at anytime in the future. I know for a fact that when the very last star that ever existed explodes and never ever comes back together, anything that led up to that point will be for nothing. There is no "now". The second you try to explain "now" it's gone. And "now" is just composed of every event that has ever occured before it. It is one of the forementioned arbitrary distant points in time. What happens in the middle doesn't matter when in the end there will be nothing but an empty vacuum.

I have not seen your proof for how you know for certain that the alleged empty vacuum would even exist without the happenings in the middle.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

I have not seen your proof for how you know for certain that the alleged empty vacuum would even exist without the happenings in the middle.

I'm not sure if you're questioning the validity of the big freeze because we will never see it and therefore aren't 100% certain it will happen or if you're saying the empty vacuum wouldn't exist without what happens in the middle.

In response to the latter, I'm putting you in a theoretical situation. You can solve a puzzle or you can choose not to. Because you will have to take the puzzle apart at the end, you may as well not put it together in the first place.

[Bleid]

I'm not sure if you're questioning the validity of the big freeze because we will never see it and therefore aren't 100% certain it will happen or if you're saying the empty vacuum wouldn't exist without what happens in the middle.

In response to the latter, I'm putting you in a theoretical situation. You can solve a puzzle or you can choose not to. Because you will have to take the puzzle apart at the end, you may as well not put it together in the first place.

And I take it that you have no justification for where the choice of 'you can choose not to' would fit in? When, the middle parts are obviously happening (we exist and observe other existence), and so, 'choosing to' is the only possible option.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

And I take it that you have no justification for where the choice of 'you can choose not to' would fit in? When, the middle parts are obviously happening (we exist and observe other existence), and so, 'choosing to' is the only possible option.

The point I was getting at was that an empty table (or empty universe) isn't much of an accomplishment. In all actuality I'm almost certain that a universal freeze over would not require us. Choosing not to exist is actually fairly easy though.

[Bleid]

The point I was getting at was that an empty table (or empty universe) isn't much of an accomplishment.

And from the inside of such a universe, who are you to say?

In all actuality I'm almost certain that a universal freeze over would not require us.

We only have one example of the universe, and so, if a "universal freeze over" did happen, what example of reality do you have where it didn't require us?


Choosing not to exist is actually fairly easy though.

Choosing is always easy, but not acting.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

We only have one example of the universe, and so, if a "universal freeze over" did happen, what example of reality do you have where it didn't require us?


The universe has been expanding since the beginning of time. It would have continued to expand and freeze over even if we didn't exist. Our existence and the universe's expansion are independent. We're irrelevant.

[Bleid]

The universe has been expanding since the beginning of time. It would have continued to expand and freeze over even if we didn't exist. Our existence and the universe's expansion are independent. We're irrelevant.

You only have one example of a universe. (ours)
In this one example, we exist.
You have no example of a universe where we do not exist.


Your claims are about the characteristics of something that you do not know exists. It's no better than if you were sitting there talking about Bigfoot.

You would need an example of a universe without our existence where those states of affairs occurred, in order for your points to be justified.

[darthearth]

In 150 years, odds are all of us will be dead. Not long after that anyone we've ever met will follow suit. The human race will probably destroy itself within the next 300-500 years. Over the next couple million years the sun will heat up, expand, engulf the earth, and release an explosion that will wipe out our entire solar system. After that stars will continue to explode, the debris coming back together to form a new celestial body. This will happen repeatedly until everything is too far apart to come back together and the universe will freeze over.

Based on this, the fact that in several billion years, maximum, there will be no remnants of anything you, I, or the human race has accomplished, does anything actually have a purpose?

I'm an ardent theist, but I'm guessing you do not wish to take things there given the exclusive materialist viewpoint of your OP. So, given that limitation of discussion, I would just say that the common term for what you are describing is "heat death". But further, maybe you can think of it this way: Everything in this Universe will always exist, it just exists at its own space-time coordinate (3 spatial dimensions and one of time). All an entity has to do to go back to the Earth of 1 billion years ago is travel to that particular space-time coordinate. If there is any entity that exists outside of our space-time at all, this is a conceivable event. This entity can be passive observers of our lives forever (according to our timeline). So put on a good show!

But really, maybe you should explore theism, chicken soup for the soul!

[PerpetualImperfexion]

You only have one example of a universe. (ours)
In this one example, we exist.
You have no example of a universe where we do not exist.


Your claims are about the characteristics of something that you do not know exists. It's no better than if you were sitting there talking about Bigfoot.

You would need an example of a universe without our existence where those states of affairs occurred, in order for your points to be justified.

We are the product of an expanding universe, the forementioned universe is not a product of us. You act as if the universe would not have continued expanding if we did not come into existense. The death of the universe is not something we've created. That was determined quite literally at the beginning of time. Rather, it is a means of destroying everything we've accomplished. The universe started expanding before we existed, and would have continued to expand in spite of us.

You say that I'm describing something that doesn't exist. You're correct, it currently does not exist, but millions, even billions of years ago it (it being a universe before we existed) did exist and that universe had the same outcome that ours does (because it is the same universe).

I'm an ardent theist, but I'm guessing you do not wish to take things there given the exclusive materialist viewpoint of your OP. So, given that limitation of discussion, I would just say that the common term for what you are describing is "heat death". But further, maybe you can think of it this way: Everything in this Universe will always exist, it just exists at its own space-time coordinate (3 spatial dimensions and one of time). All an entity has to do to go back to the Earth of 1 billion years ago is travel to that particular space-time coordinate. If there is any entity that exists outside of our space-time at all, this is a conceivable event. This entity can be passive observers of our lives forever (according to our timeline). So put on a good show!

But really, maybe you should explore theism, chicken soup for the soul!

You're suggesting a time traveler from billions of years in the future could come back and visit us? While this is an interesting idea, after the universe dies there will be no one from that point in time onwards to visit us.

As far as exploring theism, I've grown up with Christianity, Christian school, christian parents, christian sundays, all of it. Every other religion seems like just as much a crack of bullshit, so no thanks. I have explored it though, thouroughly. (I would take this to vm if you want to discuss further, not here though)

[darthearth]

You're suggesting a time traveler from billions of years in the future could come back and visit us? While this is an interesting idea, after the universe dies there will be no one from that point in time onwards to visit us.

As far as exploring theism, I've grown up with Christianity, Christian school, christian parents, christian sundays, all of it. Every other religion seems like just as much a crack of bullshit, so no thanks. I have explored it though, thouroughly. (I would take this to vm if you want to discuss further, not here though)

No, I'm referring to an entity that exists outside of our space-time. That being, if it exists, exists now and is capable of looking into any part of the Universe's timeline (present, past or future), and is capable of observing the record of all of our lives. Gee, somewhat like a deity isn't it?

[PerpetualImperfexion]

No, I'm referring to an entity that exists outside of our space-time. That being, if it exists, exists now and is capable of looking into any part of the Universe's timeline (present, past or future), and is capable of observing the record of all of our lives. Gee, somewhat like a deity isn't it?

It almost seems as if you're suggesting our sole purpose as individuals and as a human race is to entertain some sort of extraordinary being capable of rewinding and fast forwarding time at freewill. He does our entertainment further his existence though? Where did he come from and will he ever have an ending?

Because such an entity's existence is impossible to prove and in the long run does not effect how our lives are lived, I think we can assume he doesn't exist.

[darthearth]

It almost seems as if you're suggesting our sole purpose as individuals and as a human race is to entertain some sort of extraordinary being capable of rewinding and fast forwarding time at freewill. He does our entertainment further his existence though? Where did he come from and will he ever have an ending?

Because such an entity's existence is impossible to prove and in the long run does not effect how our lives are lived, I think we can assume he doesn't exist.

I was just trying to be imaginative in staying within the very constraining limits of the materialist point of view. The real purpose I believe in is quite different. But that would involve the theism. The most likely end of a materialist viewpoint is exactly as you state: NOTHING MATTERS.

[Bleid]

We are the product of an expanding universe, the forementioned universe is not a product of us. You act as if the universe would not have continued expanding if we did not come into existense.

No, I act as if you do not know if a universe without us would have even been a possibility in the first place.

The death of the universe is not something we've created. That was determined quite literally at the beginning of time. Rather, it is a means of destroying everything we've accomplished. The universe started expanding before we existed, and would have continued to expand in spite of us.

And you do not know if the universe could have gone all the way from its beginning to its end without having produced us, and so, it is silly to say that things could have gone along just the same either way.

You say that I'm describing something that doesn't exist. You're correct, it currently does not exist,

So we're done here.

but millions, even billions of years ago it (it being a universe before we existed) did exist and that universe had the same outcome that ours does (because it is the same universe).

No, a universe before we existed is not equivalent to a universe where we have no existence throughout it.

The use of the past universe is specious, because the original case is not about a past universe of our own, and then that same universe, without us in it ceasing to exist without our presence ever coming up, it is about our universe existing, which contains us, and then ceasing to exist.

You do not somehow procure a second example of something because you appeal to the past of something that is here. This is sophistical.

It'd be analogous to if I had said, "I don't need to eat food to survive, because last week I went a day without eating food."

[Miserabilia]

I see this turned into another religious debate...
My answer to OP:

"mattering" is a human thing. Wanting to matter. It's a need we have. We want to feel important.

But think about it. The universe goes along a single line. From what we know everything is predetermined.
We are all chemical reactions made out of molecules made out of atoms.
A very complicated reaction to very simple origins.
So from that point of view, no, we don't matter.

But let's take a look from a human point of view.
Look at the amount of knowledge we have. How much we know of the uinverse.
For us there are basicly two purposes;

one as a species.
We're not doing bad as a species.
We are kind of ruining our own inverment, but we have had great improvements since earlier species. We are in great numbers and alot of us live fairly good lives.

We also have a purpose that is more specific for intelligent species; we want to know.
We want to figure a situation out.
And we know much more the we can ever truly accomplish; we now so much from distant galaxies, even tho we will probably never reach them.

So wether we matter or not is purely subjective.
Do you think we matter?
Do you matter to other people?

[PerpetualImperfexion]

No, I act as if you do not know if a universe without us would have even been a possibility in the first place.



And you do not know if the universe could have gone all the way from its beginning to its end without having produced us, and so, it is silly to say that things could have gone along just the same either.

Fair enough. I will concede that the universe /might/ not have ended the way it will if we did not exist. That being said the empty vacuum will be our only achievement.

I want you to go up to someone who works incredibly hard to make ends meets and tell them that their one accomplishment at the end of the day is helping the universe end in nothingness, and even that /might/ not have required their existence.


I see this turned into another religious debate...
My answer to OP:

"mattering" is a human thing. Wanting to matter. It's a need we have. We want to feel important.

But think about it. The universe goes along a single line. From what we know everything is predetermined.
We are all chemical reactions made out of molecules made out of atoms.
A very complicated reaction to very simple origins.
So from that point of view, no, we don't matter.

But let's take a look from a human point of view.
Look at the amount of knowledge we have. How much we know of the uinverse.
For us there are basicly two purposes;

one as a species.
We're not doing bad as a species.
We are kind of ruining our own inverment, but we have had great improvements since earlier species. We are in great numbers and alot of us live fairly good lives.

We also have a purpose that is more specific for intelligent species; we want to know.
We want to figure a situation out.
And we know much more the we can ever truly accomplish; we now so much from distant galaxies, even tho we will probably never reach them.

So wether we matter or not is purely subjective.
Do you think we matter?
Do you matter to other people?

If our species is irrelevant, so is everything it accomplishes. Whether that be multiplying our populous to massive numbers or discovering random arbitrary facts about the universe and everything it contains (or at least what we can sense with our 5 senses), all of it is pointless. If the people I matter to don't matter, what does it matter that I matter to them?

[Willweston]

Yes i beleave every thing has a purpose !

[Bleid]

Fair enough. I will concede that the universe /might/ not have ended the way it will if we did not exist. That being said the empty vacuum will be our only achievement.

I want you to go up to someone who works incredibly hard to make ends meets and tell them that their one accomplishment at the end of the day is helping the universe end in nothingness, and even that /might/ not have required their existence.

Not necessarily, because as said, just because something might not matter at an indeterminate time in the future does not mean it didn't matter at the time. Further, we are not certain of all future events at this time, and so even the end goal of an "empty vacuum" is not necessarily the actual end.

[Miserabilia]

Fair enough. I will concede that the universe /might/ not have ended the way it will if we did not exist. That being said the empty vacuum will be our only achievement.

I want you to go up to someone who works incredibly hard to make ends meets and tell them that their one accomplishment at the end of the day is helping the universe end in nothingness, and even that /might/ not have required their existence.




If our species is irrelevant, so is everything it accomplishes. Whether that be multiplying our populous to massive numbers or discovering random arbitrary facts about the universe and everything it contains (or at least what we can sense with our 5 senses), all of it is pointless. If the people I matter to don't matter, what does it matter that I matter to them?

From the whole universe's point of view, nothing matters.
People don't matter, plants don't matter, planets don't matter, giant meteor strikes don't matter,
nothing matters since it's all predetermined.

But form a human point of view something can matter.
We can hope to be remembered after we die.
Become kind of a legend.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

From the whole universe's point of view, nothing matters.
People don't matter, plants don't matter, planets don't matter, giant meteor strikes don't matter,
nothing matters since it's all predetermined.

But form a human point of view something can matter.
We can hope to be remembered after we die.
Become kind of a legend.

Who will remember the legends when there is nothing left?

[Miserabilia]

Who will remember the legends when there is nothing left?

Nobody will remember. So yes, in that thoughtflow, there is no point and nothing matters.
But you are alive.
So just try to make the best of it while you can, and allow other people to make the best of it to, is what I try to think.