Cancellation of Duck Dynasty?

[AgentHomo]

Despite not being able to post links, please search up Duck a Dynasty and you'll see that one of the stars went on a homophobic anti-gay rant spewing hate, bigotry, and ignorance. Personally I never watched the show, but now I don't think they deserve to have any episodes past, present, or future air at all after this. Such a shame of TV business to portray a cast of ignorant and small minded religious bigots and allow it to be this popular.

Edit: here's the link (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-equates-homosexuality-bestiality-article-1.1551556)

[Harry Smith]

I've never watched it but I think that his comments were interesting to say the least. I hope that the TV companies and advertisers come out and distance themselves from the statement because there really isn't any place for such homophobic crap in our modern day media. Once again it's someone giving religion a bad name by claiming that homosexuality is a sin because the Bible says so- the bible also encourages slavery and domestic abuse but I don't see the religious right preaching that.

He's one character in a TV show so I think it would be unfair to ban/cancel the entire TV program based on his own views,

[thatcountrykid]

I say let him have his opinion.

[Sugaree]

Despite not being able to post links, please search up Duck a Dynasty and you'll see that one of the stars went on a homophobic anti-gay rant spewing hate, bigotry, and ignorance. Personally I never watched the show, but now I don't think they deserve to have any episodes past, present, or future air at all after this. Such a shame of TV business to portray a cast of ignorant and small minded religious bigots and allow it to be this popular.

Edit: here's the link (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-equates-homosexuality-bestiality-article-1.1551556)

there really isn't any place for such homophobic crap in our modern day media.

"You're not allowed to have an opinion if it's against MY opinion!"

In essence, this is what you've both just said. That is not how the world works. You either learn to live with these people, or you stay inside for the rest of your life. Make the choice now so we can move on with our lives.

I say let him have his opinion.

This is what I say too. If he has the opinion, fine; it's one man holding one opinion. It's not like he has legislative power to put that opinion into law. THAT is what we must worry about.

[Harry Smith]

"You're not allowed to have an opinion if it's against MY opinion!"

In essence, this is what you've both just said. That is not how the world works. You either learn to live with these people, or you stay inside for the rest of your life. Make the choice now so we can move on with our lives.



This is what I say too. If he has the opinion, fine; it's one man holding one opinion. It's not like he has legislative power to put that opinion into law. THAT is what we must worry about.

If you actually read what I what I said later in my post I clearly say that the program shouldn't be cancelled and that I would like the program companies etc to distance themselves.

I didn't call for him to be censored or anything like that- I simply said that the show shouldn't be used as mouthpiece for his views which quite frankly contribute to the terrible record that the states and other countries have with teen suicides from the LGBT community. If they wake up and see people they've watched for the last 2 years tell them that they're going to hell they're hardly going to feel any better during a very tough time for LGBT teens.

[Walter Powers]

What exactly did he say?
Edit: Okay, I read the interview, and I really don't understand whyyou think this guy should be taken off the air. It's a belief held by many Americans that gay sex is sin. He wasn't specifically insulting people for who they are, just saying he didn't approve of what they do because of his religous beliefs. If that is something that justifies taking A and Es #1 show off the air, they have a problem.

[ImCoolBeans]

It may be wrong in your opinion, but we're all allowed to have our own. Nobody is forcing you to watch his show -- if you don't like it don't watch it.

[Walter Powers]

I say let him have his opinion.

It may be wrong in your opinion, but we're all allowed to have our own. Nobody is forcing you to watch his show -- if you don't like it don't watch it.

You are both spot on. If this guy was yelling homophobic slurs and insulting them for who they are as people, it would be different. But he's not.

[thatcountrykid]

Reading over that interview again he really didnt say anything to be upset about.

[Harry Smith]

Reading over that interview again he really didnt say anything to be upset about.

Yes, yes he did. I'm not calling on him to be banned- I clearly outline that in my points above.

But he said that gay sex is not only a sin but he compared it to bestiality and said that it was breaking down american society. For the millions of gay teens who are already struggling with their sexuality and their mental state comments like this are hardly going to make them feel any better is it? Suicide rates among LGBT teens are already too high and people coming out and saying that it's a sin and your going to go to hell is hardly doing any good.

So yes I know for a fact as gay person he said something to be very upset about. It's simple as that, he compared gay people to drug addicts and prostitutes which goes back to this stupid belief we held 40 years ago that homosexuality is some sort of illness.

If he had come out and said I endorse slavery because the old testament supports it then he would of probably would of had a very different reaction. I'm not saying take him off air but I am saying that his comments were homophobic and horrible. Homophobia is a bad as racism.

[glad0s]

Considering Duck Dynasty is a reality TV show about a wealthy Christian family and their business antics, I wouldn't doubt that Phil would have the opinion he did. Do I agree with his opinions? No. Should that prevent me from watching the show? No.

This is the world: We are all different people. We all have different personalities and thoughts. We all start out as a single-celled organism that develops into a much different human being. If you can't learn to tolerate other people's beliefs, you don't know much about "equality".

Let him have his opinion and allow him to state it. I know the LGBT community has had it rough and this generation needs motivation to stand up and speak themselves, but you can't smother out the other voices around.

[EddietheZombie]

Ive been away for a while and to be honest, i stopped caring about peoples "Feelings" along time ago since mine and everyone else i knows feelings have been trampled on. So i stand with Phil. Everything he said is spot on. He never said anything bad about anyone so quit saying he did. He compared it to Bestiality for a reason. Homosexual relations is just a doorway for worse things. I argued this on abortion and people thought i was crazy. Well did you know people want to get it passed so that people can abort their children AFTER BIRTH. Congrats, you opened the doorway and now its harder to close. Same with homosexuality. When people say that the gay community has it rough, apparently they dont know that the street runs both ways. Ive seen posts and other things from gays that was made to make people feel bad for being straight. The "Group of Fairness" has no fairness when others speak their opinions. Im not for gays, i will say that. I wish no harm on no one that doesnt do wrong to me first, including every religion, LGBT's, other races, ect. But people get butthurt over subjects like this because they feel "Threatened". Well i would like to ask something. Where has he threatened you, and why should he not speak his opinion. Gays have parades and assembly's. Do you see any Straight Parades? Do you know why? Its because people feel "Threatened" and the media roles with it and calls everyone there 'homophobic' and 'gay hater'. Is it any fair that you get to speak your mind because the media is on your side and we don't? If that is the case, i will leave this forum here, post one more time and tell my friend(s) to drop me a line somewhere else. If the mods want to ban me then i request that i get to tell my friend(s) first, but i also want to let them know that it will just prove my point. If this forum will turn into a one sided, bigoted, liberal wasteland, then i have better business elsewhere. If you dont like me or my ideas, read my sig because that it my answer.

Eddie Out.

Edit: Oh and Agent Homos sig fits perfectly. "Support me or fear me. I am inevitable." That is how we feel, in case you were wondering. We are fearful to be labeled bigots and "gay haters". If we dont agree with you we get labeled as such. I would also like to say, for those of you that might say "You have no experience with the LGBT community) that i have gay and bi friends that understand me and what im saying.

[saea97]

Ive been away for a while and to be honest, i stopped caring about peoples "Feelings" along time ago since mine and everyone else i knows feelings have been trampled on. So i stand with Phil. Everything he said is spot on. He never said anything bad about anyone so quit saying he did. He compared it to Bestiality for a reason. Homosexual relations is just a doorway for worse things. I argued this on abortion and people thought i was crazy. Well did you know people want to get it passed so that people can abort their children AFTER BIRTH. Congrats, you opened the doorway and now its harder to close. Same with homosexuality. When people say that the gay community has it rough, apparently they dont know that the street runs both ways. Ive seen posts and other things from gays that was made to make people feel bad for being straight. The "Group of Fairness" has no fairness when others speak their opinions. Im not for gays, i will say that. I wish no harm on no one that doesnt do wrong to me first, including every religion, LGBT's, other races, ect. But people get butthurt over subjects like this because they feel "Threatened". Well i would like to ask something. Where has he threatened you, and why should he not speak his opinion. Gays have parades and assembly's. Do you see any Straight Parades? Do you know why? Its because people feel "Threatened" and the media roles with it and calls everyone there 'homophobic' and 'gay hater'. Is it any fair that you get to speak your mind because the media is on your side and we don't? If that is the case, i will leave this forum here, post one more time and tell my friend(s) to drop me a line somewhere else. If the mods want to ban me then i request that i get to tell my friend(s) first, but i also want to let them know that it will just prove my point. If this forum will turn into a one sided, bigoted, liberal wasteland, then i have better business elsewhere. If you dont like me or my ideas, read my sig because that it my answer.

Eddie Out.

Edit: Oh and Agent Homos sig fits perfectly. "Support me or fear me. I am inevitable." That is how we feel, in case you were wondering. We are fearful to be labeled bigots and "gay haters". If we dont agree with you we get labeled as such. I would also like to say, for those of you that might say "You have no experience with the LGBT community) that i have gay and bi friends that understand me and what im saying.

Could you please explain how homosexuality leads to bestiality? All you did was draw an invalid abortion parallel and then say "Same with homosexuality".

I don't call you a bigot because I want to label you or because I want to censor you, I call you a bigot because you're a bigot.

As for this Phil guy: no, I don't think the show should be cancelled. I think his opinion is vile and I call him a bigot as well, but that's no reason to cancel his show.

[thatcountrykid]

Yes, yes he did. I'm not calling on him to be banned- I clearly outline that in my points above.

But he said that gay sex is not only a sin but he compared it to bestiality and said that it was breaking down american society. For the millions of gay teens who are already struggling with their sexuality and their mental state comments like this are hardly going to make them feel any better is it? Suicide rates among LGBT teens are already too high and people coming out and saying that it's a sin and your going to go to hell is hardly doing any good.

So yes I know for a fact as gay person he said something to be very upset about. It's simple as that, he compared gay people to drug addicts and prostitutes which goes back to this stupid belief we held 40 years ago that homosexuality is some sort of illness.

If he had come out and said I endorse slavery because the old testament supports it then he would of probably would of had a very different reaction. I'm not saying take him off air but I am saying that his comments were homophobic and horrible. Homophobia is a bad as racism.

He has his opinion just like i have mine and you have yours. If it bothers you dont watch it. Tune it out. If happy with how you are then why care about what somebody else thinks. Thats his opinion and you dont exactly agree with it and thats fine. There really no need to make a huge uproar over it.

[Sir Suomi]

He has his opinion just like i have mine and you have yours. If it bothers you dont watch it. Tune it out. If happy with how you are then why care about what somebody else thinks. Thats his opinion and you dont exactly agree with it and thats fine. There really no need to make a huge uproar over it.

So why can't you say the same about LGBT rights? If you don't like it, don't worry about it. It doesn't effect you.

[Walter Powers]

Ive been away for a while and to be honest, i stopped caring about peoples "Feelings" along time ago since mine and everyone else i knows feelings have been trampled on. So i stand with Phil. Everything he said is spot on. He never said anything bad about anyone so quit saying he did. He compared it to Bestiality for a reason. Homosexual relations is just a doorway for worse things. I argued this on abortion and people thought i was crazy. Well did you know people want to get it passed so that people can abort their children AFTER BIRTH. Congrats, you opened the doorway and now its harder to close. Same with homosexuality. When people say that the gay community has it rough, apparently they dont know that the street runs both ways. Ive seen posts and other things from gays that was made to make people feel bad for being straight. The "Group of Fairness" has no fairness when others speak their opinions. Im not for gays, i will say that. I wish no harm on no one that doesnt do wrong to me first, including every religion, LGBT's, other races, ect. But people get butthurt over subjects like this because they feel "Threatened". Well i would like to ask something. Where has he threatened you, and why should he not speak his opinion. Gays have parades and assembly's. Do you see any Straight Parades? Do you know why? Its because people feel "Threatened" and the media roles with it and calls everyone there 'homophobic' and 'gay hater'. Is it any fair that you get to speak your mind because the media is on your side and we don't? If that is the case, i will leave this forum here, post one more time and tell my friend(s) to drop me a line somewhere else. If the mods want to ban me then i request that i get to tell my friend(s) first, but i also want to let them know that it will just prove my point. If this forum will turn into a one sided, bigoted, liberal wasteland, then i have better business elsewhere. If you dont like me or my ideas, read my sig because that it my answer.

Eddie Out.

Edit: Oh and Agent Homos sig fits perfectly. "Support me or fear me. I am inevitable." That is how we feel, in case you were wondering. We are fearful to be labeled bigots and "gay haters". If we dont agree with you we get labeled as such. I would also like to say, for those of you that might say "You have no experience with the LGBT community) that i have gay and bi friends that understand me and what im saying.


Excellent post, my friend. I think this is what many people were thinking but didn't have the guts to say! Way to stand up for your principles.

Yes, yes he did. I'm not calling on him to be banned- I clearly outline that in my points above.

But he said that gay sex is not only a sin but he compared it to bestiality and said that it was breaking down american society. For the millions of gay teens who are already struggling with their sexuality and their mental state comments like this are hardly going to make them feel any better is it? Suicide rates among LGBT teens are already too high and people coming out and saying that it's a sin and your going to go to hell is hardly doing any good.

Likewise, it's not good for Christian teens to feel like they can't express their opinions without somebody calling them a bigot. You can't just silence them.

So yes I know for a fact as gay person he said something to be very upset about. It's simple as that, he compared gay people to drug addicts and prostitutes which goes back to this stupid belief we held 40 years ago that homosexuality is some sort of illness.

And that's his opinion to have. It's against the Bible to be a prostitute, and it's against the Bible to have homosexual relations. He has the full right to believe that.

If he had come out and said I endorse slavery because the old testament supports it then he would of probably would of had a very different reaction. I'm not saying take him off air but I am saying that his comments were homophobic and horrible. Homophobia is a bad as racism.

Okay, I think that many people would find it offensive that you compare the modern day treatment of gays to slaves. I'm sorry, Harry, but I guarantee that the struggles you go through as a homosexual are nothing compared to those of a slave!

[Miserabilia]

You are both spot on. If this guy was yelling homophobic slurs and insulting them for who they are as people, it would be different. But he's not.

comparing them with beastiality seems pretty insulting to me

[Etcetera]

Honestly, I love duck dynasty. I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion and should be respected anyways even if you don't agree with their opinion. Everyone should have that right, to be able to think what they want to think without being trashed for it.

[Vlerchan]

Keep Duck Dynasty on air. We shouldn't be allowed to ban or censor programmes (/individuals/groups/whatever) because it holds opinions that differ from that of the mainstream. On that: don't expect these programmes/individuals to hold their funding particularly long either - studios will find that retaining such unpopularity is costly - as what happened here.

Is it any fair that you get to speak your mind because the media is on your side and we don't?
I'm cool with you speaking your mind. Just try and back your opinion up with something other than a daisy-chain of multiple logical fallacies or don't expect it to go down well - I've an equal right to call you out for being a bigot when you're actually being an irrational bigot.

I argued this on abortion and people thought i was crazy. Well did you know people want to get it passed so that people can abort their children AFTER BIRTH.
Just so you know: that's not called abortion; it is called euthanasia. Labelling such abortion goes against the very definition of the term.

Likewise, it's not good for Christian teens to feel like they can't express their opinions without somebody calling them a bigot. You can't just silence them.
It probably isn't but to quote Jon Stewart: "I'm not going to censor myself to comfort your ignorance." If someone is acting in a bigoted manner - defined as: "having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others" - then I am going to call them out for being a bigot. The irony is that I'm being bigoted myself in criticising homophobes but at least there's some logic to mine own.

[Etcetera]

It's funny how they leave out where he also said this:

"However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different than me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better of if we loved God and loved each other."

[Vlerchan]

"However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different than me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better of if we loved God and loved each other."
Y'know when someone insults you and then follows up with a muttering of 'no offence, like' but you're still offended? Same thing here.

[Vincent_Dat_Guy]

well if they do cancel the show it was a good show for at least a year but they have their money now so they can sit and relax now

[Harry Smith]

Okay, I think that many people would find it offensive that you compare the modern day treatment of gays to slaves. I'm sorry, Harry, but I guarantee that the struggles you go through as a homosexual are nothing compared to those of a slave!

Firstly I've never once said he doesn't have a legal right to air his views. I just pointed how he is cherry-picking a holy book which also supports rape and slavery. I don't understand how someone in the 21st century can still peddle this crap. I'm also shocked by the number of people on a teen forum who seem to be publicity endorsing homophobia- why the fuck does it matter who I sleep with?

You can guarantee it? You've quite clearly got no idea about the struggle that gay people go through every day.

We're terrified to go outside with our partner for the fear of getting only beaten up but killed for expressing our love/

We're terrified to come out in school for the fear of being beaten up, targeted and demonized whilst teachers do nothing

We've spend the last 60 years fighting for equal rights in society, we've been labelled fags, anti-christs, child molesters, drunks, addicts and we've been marched through the gates of the concentration camp.

Don't tell me that gay people haven't been through a struggle because you quite clearly have no idea just how hard life can be as homosexual.

Don't tell me that I haven't been through a struggle because you have no idea

[Etcetera]

You know what irritates me? The fact that there's tons of kids being bullied and harrassed every day and adults too that AREN'T homosexual, but yet homosexual bullying gets so blown up. What about the people will medical problems (such as me) that get bullied every single day of their lives, and commit suicide because of it? What about the people who are special needs like my 11 year old cousin and they can't even go to a freaking mcdonalds without being called retarded or gawked at and people say things like "special needs people should be burned at birth so that nobody has to deal with their disgustingness..." and so many other horrible things. But nobody notices us. It's always either racism or homophobia.

[AgentHomo]

Firstly I've never once said he doesn't have a legal right to air his views. I just pointed how he is cherry-picking a holy book which also supports rape and slavery. I don't understand how someone in the 21st century can still peddle this crap. I'm also shocked by the number of people on a teen forum who seem to be publicity endorsing homophobia- why the fuck does it matter who I sleep with?

You can guarantee it? You've quite clearly got no idea about the struggle that gay people go through every day.

We're terrified to go outside with our partner for the fear of getting only beaten up but killed for expressing our love/

We're terrified to come out in school for the fear of being beaten up, targeted and demonized whilst teachers do nothing

We've spend the last 60 years fighting for equal rights in society, we've been labelled fags, anti-christs, child molesters, drunks, addicts and we've been marched through the gates of the concentration camp.

Don't tell me that gay people haven't been through a struggle because you quite clearly have no idea just how hard life can be as homosexual.

Don't tell me that I haven't been through a struggle because you have no idea

I completely agree. And even 60 is nothing compared to THOUSANDS OF YEARS of being treated like shit. In the big picture of things, minorities such as gays have been hated on since the dawn of the human race. Homosexuality is in hundreds of animal species. Only one displays homophobia and hate.

I'm also shocked by the number of people on a teen forum who seem to be publicity endorsing homophobia- why the fuck does it matter who I sleep with?

This! I came on here seeing how gay friendly this forum was. Now I highly doubt it. Why stand for the ignorance of some redneck religious bigot who worships some imaginary being? It's ashamed that everyone is protecting hate speech when no one will stand for the oppressed.

[Korashk]

"You're not allowed to have an opinion if it's against MY opinion!"

In essence, this is what you've both just said. That is not how the world works. You either learn to live with these people, or you stay inside for the rest of your life. Make the choice now so we can move on with our lives.
That actually kinda is how the world works when you're employed. He said something his employer didn't like and got suspended for it.

[Vlerchan]

It's ashamed that everyone is protecting hate speech[1] when no one will stand for the oppressed[2].
[1]: I support ones Freedom of Speech, yes.

[2]: What do you mean: "no one will stand up for the oppressed"? The man lost his job because of what he said. If that's not standing up for the oppressed than I don't know what is.

[Josef_]

I believe that canceling the show would be pointless. They shamed Paula Deen for something she said decades ago. And she was raised to think that way! There is no stopping that. I watch the show because it's funny. Not because of their views/opinions.

[Harry Smith]

You know what irritates me? The fact that there's tons of kids being bullied and harrassed every day and adults too that AREN'T homosexual, but yet homosexual bullying gets so blown up. What about the people will medical problems (such as me) that get bullied every single day of their lives, and commit suicide because of it? What about the people who are special needs like my 11 year old cousin and they can't even go to a freaking mcdonalds without being called retarded or gawked at and people say things like "special needs people should be burned at birth so that nobody has to deal with their disgustingness..." and so many other horrible things. But nobody notices us. It's always either racism or homophobia.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make homophobic bullying any better... your almost trying to trivialize homophobic bullying when in fact it's a very serious issues as is all bullying within school.

[ksdnfkfr]

I think it boils down to whoever finances the show not liking
what he said and dumping him. Basically they do not want to be
represented by what he has made himself into. This is now what
he will always be remembered for. He is kind of like a commodity
and he ended up tainting himself.
This is not the first time something like this has
happened and he should have known better.

Also as far as freedom of speech goes - it is still intact.
He is not going to jail for what he said - he is not going
to have to pay any fines or anything like that.

A VT member has right to post homophobic or racial slurs here without
getting in trouble with the law. But as a VT member posting on their
forum - that member is obligated to post according to VT standards and
if they fail to do so then VT has the right to dump them. But that does
not mean that person's freedom has been taken from them.

[AgentHomo]

[1]: I support ones Freedom of Speech, yes.

[2]: What do you mean: "no one will stand up for the oppressed"? The man lost his job because of what he said. If that's not standing up for the oppressed than I don't know what is.

For me, it looks like a large majority of the people are supporting one person's hate speech. It may be his right to speak, but it's still hate speech against a small minority of humans. He so obviously equates us from rapists to animal rapists. It's quite offensive and really hateful. Just banning one person from the show isn't enough. The whole show must be cancelled.

[Sugaree]

Ive been away for a while and to be honest, i stopped caring about peoples "Feelings" along time ago since mine and everyone else i knows feelings have been trampled on.

So does that give you the right to trample on everyone else's feelings? I don't think so, and plenty of others don't. You feel that, since you've been trampled on, that EVERYONE around you has to be trampled on by you now. That's not how things work in the world, you should know that.

So i stand with Phil. Everything he said is spot on. He never said anything bad about anyone so quit saying he did. He compared it to Bestiality for a reason. Homosexual relations is just a doorway for worse things. I argued this on abortion and people thought i was crazy. Well did you know people want to get it passed so that people can abort their children AFTER BIRTH. Congrats, you opened the doorway and now its harder to close. Same with homosexuality. When people say that the gay community has it rough, apparently they dont know that the street runs both ways. Ive seen posts and other things from gays that was made to make people feel bad for being straight. The "Group of Fairness" has no fairness when others speak their opinions. Im not for gays, i will say that. I wish no harm on no one that doesnt do wrong to me first, including every religion, LGBT's, other races, ect. But people get butthurt over subjects like this because they feel "Threatened". Well i would like to ask something. Where has he threatened you, and why should he not speak his opinion. Gays have parades and assembly's. Do you see any Straight Parades? Do you know why? Its because people feel "Threatened" and the media roles with it and calls everyone there 'homophobic' and 'gay hater'. Is it any fair that you get to speak your mind because the media is on your side and we don't?

You don't know how public opinion works...do you? I'm going to leave abortion aside, that's for another thread, but how does homosexual relations lead to things like...bestiality? Hey, I'm a furry, I admit that, but even I don't want to actually fuck a live animal. This is simply a line of argument I don't understand, because you're trying to equate two different extremes as the same. The difference between people who are into bestiality and homosexuals, is that people who are into bestiality are committing a crime of animal abuse. Homosexuals aren't committing a crime because they're holding hands or having consenting sex. So to say that homosexuality leads to bestiality is just literally grasping at straws.

Unless you're LGBTQ, you really don't understand how rough we have it. We're in the same position that blacks were in for the better part of well over 150 years. There are laws in African nations that will punish gay sex with DEATH if you're convicted of it. In America alone, there are multitudes of laws that are discriminatory against gender identity/expression, same-sex adoption, and same-sex marriage. This is nearly the exact same thing blacks had to go through when they were emancipated, and this attitude of, "Well, you can be gay, but just don't marry or adopt" doesn't work. You either treat us like the human beings we are or you face more civil rights litigation.

So, I'm going to ask you, as someone who is bisexual and someone who has first hand undergone discrimination because I have a boyfriend and because I want to hold his hand out in public and kiss his cheek in public, how rough do YOU have it because I exist? Does it disgust you that much to see two people love each other? Oh yes, the plight of some straight people to see two gay people...LOVING each other! HOW HORRID!

Why take pride in being straight anyway? You're the majority. You have nothing to really be proud OF. Yeah, wow, you can marry and you aren't discriminated against based on your sexuality and gender expression...yeah, I'm sure you're proud of that. The fact people take pride in being gay is that, oftentimes, their whole life, they're told they're no good, that they aren't worth anything and that no one loves them. If they can take pride in something, even their sexuality, then good for them. Sure, I think it's silly to take pride in your sexuality because that's just who you are, but if you want to, go right ahead.


Why stand for the ignorance of some redneck religious bigot who worships some imaginary being? It's ashamed that everyone is protecting hate speech when no one will stand for the oppressed.

Toppest lel.

>says he's against ignorance and hate speech
>goes on to be ignorant about a person's religion and spews hate in the process

Two wrongs don't make a right, bud.

That actually kinda is how the world works when you're employed. He said something his employer didn't like and got suspended for it.

He only got suspended because of public outcry to A&E. I highly doubt A&E really would have done anything otherwise if there was no public outcry.

[Vlerchan]

[...] it looks like a large majority of the people are supporting one person's hate speech.
This 'majority' is supporting his right to an opinion - regardless of how strongly you disagree with it - not his actual opinion. There's an important distinction there.

It may be his right to speak, but it's still hate speech against a small minority of humans.And? I'm failing to see how your offence gives you the right to censor him.

He so obviously equates us from rapists to animal rapists.
Same as above. I'm failing to see how your offence gives you the right to censor him.

Just banning one person from the show isn't enough. The whole show must be cancelled.This is ridiculous. You want to put an entire group - and there's more than just actors making up the employee register of a TV show - out of work because one man offended you? Seriously?

[Josef_]

He is ALLOWED to have an opinion! If he feels the way he does than so be it! There will be haters (haha I didn't think I'd ever have to use that word) for every situation! Unless, there is something in it for everyone, but that's not the point.

[Harry Smith]

He is ALLOWED to have an opinion! If he feels the way he does than so be it! There will be haters (haha I didn't think I'd ever have to use that word) for every situation! Unless, there is something in it for everyone, but that's not the point.

Yes he is allowed to have his opinion- no one is saying that he should be imprisoned.

But do you agree with his comments?

[Josef_]

Yes he is allowed to have his opinion- no one is saying that he should be imprisoned.

But do you agree with his comments?

His comments I have not fully read unfortunately.

[Harry Smith]

His comments I have not fully read unfortunately.

http://www.npr.org/2013/12/19/255396336/patriarch-off-duck-dynasty-after-gay-comments

[EddietheZombie]

Just so you know: that's not called abortion; it is called euthanasia. Labelling such abortion goes against the very definition of the term.
Whatever it is called, it is still bad and that doorway was opened because of abortion. What doorways will we open if we let homosexuality be accepted? Ive made the argument that thats why there is man and woman. If we were intended to love another man or something then dont you think that everyone would have male and female sex organs? And when people say that animals are known for having gay sex, are we no better than animals? And the only reason that the animals did that is because they are in confinement.
You don't know how public opinion works...do you? I'm going to leave abortion aside, that's for another thread, but how does homosexual relations lead to things like...bestiality? Hey, I'm a furry, I admit that, but even I don't want to actually fuck a live animal. This is simply a line of argument I don't understand, because you're trying to equate two different extremes as the same. The difference between people who are into bestiality and homosexuals, is that people who are into bestiality are committing a crime of animal abuse. Homosexuals aren't committing a crime because they're holding hands or having consenting sex. So to say that homosexuality leads to bestiality is just literally grasping at straws.

Unless you're LGBTQ, you really don't understand how rough we have it. We're in the same position that blacks were in for the better part of well over 150 years. There are laws in African nations that will punish gay sex with DEATH if you're convicted of it. In America alone, there are multitudes of laws that are discriminatory against gender identity/expression, same-sex adoption, and same-sex marriage. This is nearly the exact same thing blacks had to go through when they were emancipated, and this attitude of, "Well, you can be gay, but just don't marry or adopt" doesn't work. You either treat us like the human beings we are or you face more civil rights litigation.

So, I'm going to ask you, as someone who is bisexual and someone who has first hand undergone discrimination because I have a boyfriend and because I want to hold his hand out in public and kiss his cheek in public, how rough do YOU have it because I exist? Does it disgust you that much to see two people love each other? Oh yes, the plight of some straight people to see two gay people...LOVING each other! HOW HORRID!

Why take pride in being straight anyway? You're the majority. You have nothing to really be proud OF. Yeah, wow, you can marry and you aren't discriminated against based on your sexuality and gender expression...yeah, I'm sure you're proud of that. The fact people take pride in being gay is that, oftentimes, their whole life, they're told they're no good, that they aren't worth anything and that no one loves them. If they can take pride in something, even their sexuality, then good for them. Sure, I think it's silly to take pride in your sexuality because that's just who you are, but if you want to, go right ahead.

Ok see this is why i dont like liberal thinking. You think that if we feel bad that we have to make everyone feel bad. We want to raise the scale, which happens to be us, up because we have been called bigots. We want to be on your same level of freedom of speech. You can say almost anything you want, and like i said above if we had a Straight Pride parade we would be labeled "Gay Hater" and "Homophobic". I have nothing against LGBT. Like i said above i wish none harm that dont wish harm on me. But i also dont want to see a gay with his hand down another mans pants when i am someplace. Do you know how many straight couples ive seen kiss in public? 1 couple. How many gay couples? 5, and it wasnt an innocent peck on the cheek, it looked like they were getting ready to have sex right there in the middle of the damn zoo! You wouldnt see me with my girlfriend doing that. And i have gay and bi friends from what you didnt read above and just so happened to leave out because it didnt help your argument. So yes i understand struggles. I have struggles of my own that i guarantee no one else can take. Oh and how does being gay lead to bestiality? Well since people think they can marry who ever and what ever they want people have been married and had sex with inanimate objects such as cars, chairs, tables, ect. So what else do you think they will move to?
Could you please explain how homosexuality leads to bestiality? All you did was draw an invalid abortion parallel and then say "Same with homosexuality".

I don't call you a bigot because I want to label you or because I want to censor you, I call you a bigot because you're a bigot.

As for this Phil guy: no, I don't think the show should be cancelled. I think his opinion is vile and I call him a bigot as well, but that's no reason to cancel his show.
Read the above.
Excellent post, my friend. I think this is what many people were thinking but didn't have the guts to say! Way to stand up for your principles.
Thank you my friend.
It's funny how they leave out where he also said this:

"However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different than me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better of if we loved God and loved each other."
Thank you, i was going to point that out.
I'm sorry but that doesn't make homophobic bullying any better... your almost trying to trivialize homophobic bullying when in fact it's a very serious issues as is all bullying within school.
Just so you know i think and know that any bullying is wrong. But it doesnt make your case any better than the kid that gets bullied because he has braces, or because he has a disability. Its everywhere and that needs to stop.

Oh, and the next person that picks apart my paragraph, ill quote every single word individually from your paragraph. I hate that shit.

[Emerald Dream]

Oh, and the next person that picks apart my paragraph, ill quote every single word individually from your paragraph. I hate that shit.

This is a debate forum. Free speech works in all directions here, as long as there are no direct personal attacks.

Anyone is free to "pick apart" your paragraph...as much as you may "hate that shit."

[Korashk]

He only got suspended because of public outcry to A&E. I highly doubt A&E really would have done anything otherwise if there was no public outcry.
Yeah. Television companies don't like when their employees say thing that incite public outcry.

[EddietheZombie]

This is a debate forum. Free speech works in all directions here, as long as there are no direct personal attacks.

Anyone is free to "pick apart" your paragraph...as much as you may "hate that shit."

Sorry to disagree with a mod, but it is seen as an insult and disrespectful in other forums i have been to.

[Emerald Dream]

Sorry to disagree with a mod, but it is seen as an insult and disrespectful in other forums i have been to.

You are entitled to your opinion, but so is everyone else here.

Debating points and opinions is not an insult. Namecalling and personally attacking other members is an insult. I'm sorry if you have that confused.

If you wish to continue this, then my PM box is open. Let's not go back and forth and make this off-topic, please.

[Harry Smith]

Whatever it is called, it is still bad and that doorway was opened because of abortion. What doorways will we open if we let homosexuality be accepted? Ive made the argument that thats why there is man and woman. If we were intended to love another man or something then dont you think that everyone would have male and female sex organs? And when people say that animals are known for having gay sex, are we no better than animals? And the only reason that the animals did that is because they are in confinement.

Ok see this is why i dont like liberal thinking. You think that if we feel bad that we have to make everyone feel bad. We want to raise the scale, which happens to be us, up because we have been called bigots. We want to be on your same level of freedom of speech. You can say almost anything you want, and like i said above if we had a Straight Pride parade we would be labeled "Gay Hater" and "Homophobic". I have nothing against LGBT. Like i said above i wish none harm that dont wish harm on me. But i also dont want to see a gay with his hand down another mans pants when i am someplace. Do you know how many straight couples ive seen kiss in public? 1 couple. How many gay couples? 5, and it wasnt an innocent peck on the cheek, it looked like they were getting ready to have sex right there in the middle of the damn zoo! You wouldnt see me with my girlfriend doing that. And i have gay and bi friends from what you didnt read above and just so happened to leave out because it didnt help your argument. So yes i understand struggles. I have struggles of my own that i guarantee no one else can take. Oh and how does being gay lead to bestiality? Well since people think they can marry who ever and what ever they want people have been married and had sex with inanimate objects such as cars, chairs, tables, ect. So what else do you think they will move to?

.

I'll tell you something that will probably hate- in the anus there is the equivalent of a male G Spot- this spot produces a great deal of pleasure for a man and can lead to orgasm alone. This has been confirmed not only through science but also threw other members of this forum. The only way to reach this G-spot is through anal intercourse of some type. Why else would it be there?

Also man being gay isn't all about the sex-the sex is a good part but there are millions of other things that are involved when I'm in a relationship with a man. It's not about fucking every night.

What? Your saw two gay people kissing in Public? Are you ok now?

Oh yeah great you have gay and bi friends- I bet they love you a lot.

In regards to gay marriage it's passed here in Britain and in 16 US states- you can't stop the Avalanche man. The times are changing and their is fuck all you can do to stop it- soon these terrible gays will be able to marry!

And yes you do have something against the LGBT community- its like me walking around in the Nazis costume and claiming I don't have anything against the Jews unless they try and come into my country.

And no it's not only liberals who share my views- it's the majority of people who have something called compassion

[EddietheZombie]

I'll tell you something that will probably hate- in the anus there is the equivalent of a male G Spot- this spot produces a great deal of pleasure for a man and can lead to orgasm alone. This has been confirmed not only through science but also threw other members of this forum. The only way to reach this G-spot is through anal intercourse of some type. Why else would it be there?

Also man being gay isn't all about the sex-the sex is a good part but there are millions of other things that are involved when I'm in a relationship with a man. It's not about fucking every night.

What? Your saw two gay people kissing in Public? Are you ok now?

Oh yeah great you have gay and bi friends- I bet they love you a lot.

In regards to gay marriage it's passed here in Britain and in 16 US states- you can't stop the Avalanche man. The times are changing and their is fuck all you can do to stop it- soon these terrible gays will be able to marry!

And yes you do have something against the LGBT community- its like me walking around in the Nazis costume and claiming I don't have anything against the Jews unless they try and come into my country.

And no it's not only liberals who share my views- it's the majority of people who have something called compassion
First of all, it wasnt just kissing and this is when i was 6 and i was with my class at the zoo. How would you like to explain about the guy over there with his tongue in the others throat, groping his ass? And the 'G spot' in a man is nothing more than a nerve that can also cause you to piss yourself. And my bi and gay friends are some of my best friends for your information. I was friends with him since the 3rd grade. So before you act like you know me, you dont. And its not so great in Britain, but thats for another discussion. I have nothing against LGBT community. If i did, would i have the gay and bi friends i have?

Edit: I would also like to add that my girlfriend is bi, so why would i be with her if i "Hated" the LGBT community?

[Harry Smith]

First of all, it wasnt just kissing and this is when i was 6 and i was with my class at the zoo. How would you like to explain about the guy over there with his tongue in the others throat, groping his ass? And the 'G spot' in a man is nothing more than a nerve that can also cause you to piss yourself. And my bi and gay friends are some of my best friends for your information. I was friends with him since the 3rd grade. So before you act like you know me, you dont. And its not so great in Britain, but thats for another discussion. I have nothing against LGBT community. If i did, would i have the gay and bi friends i have?

Edit: I would also like to add that my girlfriend is bi, so why would i be with her if i "Hated" the LGBT community?

In Britain I can marry a guy- in the majority of US States I can't. In Britain I can get free healthcare-in the US I can't. Britain is pretty good for me.

He has every right to kiss someone in a public place- just like a heterosexual couple do. That's something called equality in the law- you may of heard of it before?

The Male G-Spot is one of the 7 erogenous zones, so yeah it's as much of a nerve as the penis is. And it provides just as much pleasure

Your on a internet forum and you've expressed views that are homophobic- that means I'm going to assume your homophobic. I haven't read your autobiography or interviewed your friends and family so I have no idea how many gay friends you have. It's like a racist claiming he has Black friends- I'm going to argue and debate what you present on the forum- not who you hang around with

I'd love you to show this to them- show them how you compare homosexuality to bestiality, show them how you want to deny them their basic civil rights.

[thatcountrykid]

I just love how you guys are all for equal treatment but once someone disagrees
With you they are horrible people who are ignorant jst because they didnt change their beleifs to make you happy. I feel just the same as Eddy. I wasnt put on this earthto make you happy. I honestly dont care about alot of peoples feeling. So what im about to say alit of you wont like.

I beleive Homosexuality is wrong. Thats it. Get mad at me. Type in all caps. Do what you want. Phill wasnt wrong in saying his beleifs and to those of you still reading this post i'd like to share a quote that goes some thing along te lines of "I may not agree with what you have to say, but i will breathe my last breath so you can say it." I dont hate you if your gay. I just dont agree.

[saea97]

Whatever it is called, it is still bad and that doorway was opened because of abortion. What doorways will we open if we let homosexuality be accepted? Ive made the argument that thats why there is man and woman. If we were intended to love another man or something then dont you think that everyone would have male and female sex organs? And when people say that animals are known for having gay sex, are we no better than animals? And the only reason that the animals did that is because they are in confinement. Oh and how does being gay lead to bestiality? Well since people think they can marry who ever and what ever they want people have been married and had sex with inanimate objects such as cars, chairs, tables, ect. So what else do you think they will move to?

Slippery slope arguments are so fucking boring, not to mention baseless and illogical. All I want is to be able to love and marry someone that happens to be the same gender as me. All you want is to stop me, and you're willing to imply that I'm one step away from bestiality to do it. That's what this boils down to.

And when people say that animals are known for having gay sex, are we no better than animals?

We are animals, darling. The whole point is that numerous members of the animal kingdom participate in both heterosexual and homosexual behaviour. Does the fact that animals also have heterosexual intercourse also make us "no better than animals" by your logic?

[EddietheZombie]

In Britain I can marry a guy- in the majority of US States I can't. In Britain I can get free healthcare-in the US I can't. Britain is pretty good for me.

He has every right to kiss someone in a public place- just like a heterosexual couple do. That's something called equality in the law- you may of heard of it before?

The Male G-Spot is one of the 7 erogenous zones, so yeah it's as much of a nerve as the penis is. And it provides just as much pleasure

Your on a internet forum and you've expressed views that are homophobic- that means I'm going to assume your homophobic. I haven't read your autobiography or interviewed your friends and family so I have no idea how many gay friends you have. It's like a racist claiming he has Black friends- I'm going to argue and debate what you present on the forum- not who you hang around with

I'd love you to show this to them- show them how you compare homosexuality to bestiality, show them how you want to deny them their basic civil rights.
If im right there are riots in Britain, right? There are also murders over there where you cant defend yourself because of no guns and the criminal can sue you after you hurt him. Yep, sounds like the Garden of Eden. And did you not read my post?! Nothing infuriates me more than someone who skips information because it doesnt help them. He had his hand down the others pants! He was jerking him off through his pants!! Did you not read that part?! I wouldnt like to see it if a straight couple did that! Oh and my gay and bi friends know my views on this, and yet we are still friends. Because they know i dont wish them or anyone else harm, unless they bigot or harm me first.
I just love how you guys are all for equal treatment but once someone disagrees
With you they are horrible people who are ignorant jst because they didnt change their beleifs to make you happy. I feel just the same as Eddy. I wasnt put on this earthto make you happy. I honestly dont care about alot of peoples feeling. So what im about to say alit of you wont like.

I beleive Homosexuality is wrong. Thats it. Get mad at me. Type in all caps. Do what you want. Phill wasnt wrong in saying his beleifs and to those of you still reading this post i'd like to share a quote that goes some thing along te lines of "I may not agree with what you have to say, but i will breathe my last breath so you can say it." I dont hate you if your gay. I just dont agree.
Thank you for the post.
Slippery slope arguments are so fucking boring, not to mention baseless and illogical. All I want is to be able to love and marry someone that happens to be the same gender as me. All you want is to stop me, and you're willing to imply that I'm one step away from bestiality to do it. That's what this boils down to.

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And when people say that animals are known for having gay sex, are we no better than animals?
We are animals, darling. The whole point is that numerous members of the animal kingdom participate in both heterosexual and homosexual behaviour. Does the fact that animals also have heterosexual intercourse also make us "no better than animals" by your logic?
We are the dominate beings on the planet, we are supposed to be better than animals. If we arnt, then Darwin was right by saying that some will devolve into apes. And i never said i didnt want you to marry, i just dont want to see it in public the same goes for with straight couples. And i never said you were one step away from Bestiality, i said that since people think they can marry or have sex with what or who the want the it will lead to that. There is already people married to cars, tables, chairs, ect. But i guess all that matters is that people live in there own world where they can fuck a car or a dog and its there own fairytale land, right?

[Harry Smith]

I just love how you guys are all for equal treatment but once someone disagrees
With you they are horrible people who are ignorant jst because they didnt change their beleifs to make you happy. I feel just the same as Eddy. I wasnt put on this earthto make you happy. I honestly dont care about alot of peoples feeling. So what im about to say alit of you wont like.

I beleive Homosexuality is wrong. Thats it. Get mad at me. Type in all caps. Do what you want. Phill wasnt wrong in saying his beleifs and to those of you still reading this post i'd like to share a quote that goes some thing along te lines of "I may not agree with what you have to say, but i will breathe my last breath so you can say it." I dont hate you if your gay. I just dont agree.

I'm sorry but you have to be stupid for failing to understand the difference between disagreeing with someone in a debate and having legal equality within the law. I believe everyone should have equal rights- that doesn't mean that people should express their views without scrutiny and evidence. That's something called a debate.

Ok you think homosexuality is wrong- well done.

If im right there are riots in Britain, right? There are also murders over there where you cant defend yourself because of no guns and the criminal can sue you after you hurt him. Yep, sounds like the Garden of Eden. And did you not read my post?! Nothing infuriates me more than someone who skips information because it doesnt help them. He had his hand down the others pants! He was jerking him off through his pants!! Did you not read that part?! I wouldnt like to see it if a straight couple did that! Oh and my gay and bi friends know my views on this, and yet we are still friends. Because they know i dont wish them or anyone else harm, unless they bigot or harm me first.



We had riots in 2010- read the news mate. yeah sure there are murders over here, their are also murders in the United States. And yeah for a gay person Britain is better place to live than the United States. That's a fact confirmed by numerous sources but this isn't about the US and UK. I know that the majority of Americans actually have something called compassion.

Before you said he had his hand on his arse and now you said he was jerking him off- get your story straight man.

the guy over there with his tongue in the others throat, groping his ass

[EddietheZombie]

We had riots in 2010- read the news mate. yeah sure there are murders over here, their are also murders in the United States. And yeah for a gay person Britain is better place to live than the United States. That's a fact confirmed by numerous sources but this isn't about the US and UK. I know that the majority of Americans actually have something called compassion.

Before you said he had his hand on his arse and now you said he was jerking him off- get your story straight man.

If you must know he was on his ass first and then he was jerking him off. I didnt feel the need to right a literotica about it. And i dont read the news unless it hurts or concerns me or my family. I knew there were riots and crimes where you can be sued for hurting the criminal. Still sounds like Chicago to me.

[teen.jpg]

The comment bothers me, but I wouldn't say its "homophobic" as much as it is an ancient opinion.

[Sugaree]

Whatever it is called, it is still bad and that doorway was opened because of abortion. What doorways will we open if we let homosexuality be accepted? Ive made the argument that thats why there is man and woman. If we were intended to love another man or something then dont you think that everyone would have male and female sex organs? And when people say that animals are known for having gay sex, are we no better than animals? And the only reason that the animals did that is because they are in confinement.

My god, is this what they teach you? Were you never taught capacity for free thought? Animals don't practice homosexuality because they are put in confinement, it's well documented in nature to happen. I'm going to use Wikipedia here, but go ahead and look at the references they use here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#References). When I looked up the subject myself about a year ago, I used those references found on Wikipedia to form my opinion. And yes, given the data, I concluded that homosexuality is practiced by animals in nature, not just in confinement. It's obviously a natural occurrence, and if you can't wrap your head around simple scientific information, I have no hope for you.

Ok see this is why i dont like liberal thinking. You think that if we feel bad that we have to make everyone feel bad. We want to raise the scale, which happens to be us, up because we have been called bigots. We want to be on your same level of freedom of speech. You can say almost anything you want, and like i said above if we had a Straight Pride parade we would be labeled "Gay Hater" and "Homophobic". I have nothing against LGBT. Like i said above i wish none harm that dont wish harm on me. But i also dont want to see a gay with his hand down another mans pants when i am someplace. Do you know how many straight couples ive seen kiss in public? 1 couple. How many gay couples? 5, and it wasnt an innocent peck on the cheek, it looked like they were getting ready to have sex right there in the middle of the damn zoo! You wouldnt see me with my girlfriend doing that. And i have gay and bi friends from what you didnt read above and just so happened to leave out because it didnt help your argument. So yes i understand struggles. I have struggles of my own that i guarantee no one else can take. Oh and how does being gay lead to bestiality? Well since people think they can marry who ever and what ever they want people have been married and had sex with inanimate objects such as cars, chairs, tables, ect. So what else do you think they will move to?

Lol. Wow, you moved to this argument. WELL, IF MEN CAN MARRY OTHER MEN, THAT MEANS I CAN MARRY MY CAR/(place inanimate object here). No, you clearly have no idea what common sense law is. No one would allow marriages like this to happen, because you need two consenting parties to perform a marriage. What part of this do you not understand? TWO PARTIES. TWO OF THEM CONSENT. THEY GET MARRIED. THEY HAVE CHILDREN. THEY LIVE TOGETHER. MOST OF THEM DIE TOGETHER AND ARE BURIED TOGETHER. IS THIS CLEAR?


Oh, and the next person that picks apart my paragraph, ill quote every single word individually from your paragraph. I hate that shit.

http://i.imgur.com/BxElqSE.jpg

We are not here to quote YOUR posts the way YOU want them quoted. A mod already told you this, I'm not going to go any further.

First of all, it wasnt just kissing and this is when i was 6 and i was with my class at the zoo. How would you like to explain about the guy over there with his tongue in the others throat, groping his ass? And the 'G spot' in a man is nothing more than a nerve that can also cause you to piss yourself. And my bi and gay friends are some of my best friends for your information. I was friends with him since the 3rd grade. So before you act like you know me, you dont. And its not so great in Britain, but thats for another discussion. I have nothing against LGBT community. If i did, would i have the gay and bi friends i have?

You clearly just had a bad experience. I'm not going to apologize to you, and if you're expecting an apology, you can forget about it. Clearly you hold this vendetta against gays because you had one bad experience by seeing this happen. Yeah, it's disgusting to see anyone, straight or gay, do shit like that. All that happened was you ran into people who had no standards. That does not mean all gay people have no standards. The wording of your posts give me the impression that you think, since you saw this happen, that you think ALL gay people do this and ALL they care about is the sexual aspect of their lives. That's not true at all. Yeah, I have a boyfriend. Yeah, we've had sex. Yeah, we've enjoyed it. But there's more to the relationship than just sex. There's actual love and caring involved. There's a trust, a bond, that we share that keeps us together. It's not the sex. Get your mind out of the gutter if you want to think clearly.

[Harry Smith]

If you must know he was on his ass first and then he was jerking him off. I didnt feel the need to right a literotica about it. And i dont read the news unless it hurts or concerns me or my family. I knew there were riots and crimes where you can be sued for hurting the criminal. Still sounds like Chicago to me.

You do know that criminals have the same rights under the laws? It doesn't matter if you commit a crime, I can't shoot someone for spitting on the street. I could go into an essay about how the UK and chicgao are different but since you freely admit you don't follow the news there really isn't any point because your argument is therefore baseless

But as Dakota said you had one bad experience, hopefully after 10 years you've been able to recover from seeing homosexuals in public.

I've seen a straight couple having sex in a park but I don't hate all straight couples because I have two things called compassion and understanding

[EddietheZombie]

Lol. Wow, you moved to this argument. WELL, IF MEN CAN MARRY OTHER MEN, THAT MEANS I CAN MARRY MY CAR/(place inanimate object here). No, you clearly have no idea what common sense law is. No one would allow marriages like this to happen, because you need two consenting parties to perform a marriage. What part of this do you not understand? TWO PARTIES. TWO OF THEM CONSENT. THEY GET MARRIED. THEY HAVE CHILDREN. THEY LIVE TOGETHER. MOST OF THEM DIE TOGETHER AND ARE BURIED TOGETHER. IS THIS CLEAR?
Google man marries his car. Now whos wear the proverbial tin foil hat?
My god, is this what they teach you? Were you never taught capacity for free thought? Animals don't practice homosexuality because they are put in confinement, it's well documented in nature to happen. I'm going to use Wikipedia here, but go ahead and look at the references they use here. When I looked up the subject myself about a year ago, I used those references found on Wikipedia to form my opinion. And yes, given the data, I concluded that homosexuality is practiced by animals in nature, not just in confinement. It's obviously a natural occurrence, and if you can't wrap your head around simple scientific information, I have no hope for you.
I am open minded to everything. I NEVER SAID YOU COULDNT MARRY. And regarding the animal part. Like i said in a post apparently no one read, are we no better than animals? If not then we proved Darwins theory that people will devolve.
You clearly just had a bad experience. I'm not going to apologize to you, and if you're expecting an apology, you can forget about it. Clearly you hold this vendetta against gays because you had one bad experience by seeing this happen. Yeah, it's disgusting to see anyone, straight or gay, do shit like that. All that happened was you ran into people who had no standards. That does not mean all gay people have no standards. The wording of your posts give me the impression that you think, since you saw this happen, that you think ALL gay people do this and ALL they care about is the sexual aspect of their lives. That's not true at all. Yeah, I have a boyfriend. Yeah, we've had sex. Yeah, we've enjoyed it. But there's more to the relationship than just sex. There's actual love and caring involved. There's a trust, a bond, that we share that keeps us together. It's not the sex. Get your mind out of the gutter if you want to think clearly.
I have no vendetta against gays. But i dont want my kids growing up in a place where things against our beliefs is accepted. Muslims still stone people to death. Its accepted there, is it right? No. Same with this. To each his own, but i wont conform and i wont accept. Arnt we taught not to fall to pressure?
You do know that criminals have the same rights under the laws? It doesn't matter if you commit a crime, I can't shoot someone for spitting on the street. I could go into an essay about how the UK and chicgao are different but since you freely admit you don't follow the news there really isn't any point because your argument is therefore baseless

But as Dakota said you had one bad experience, hopefully after 10 years you've been able to recover from seeing homosexuals in public.

I've seen a straight couple having sex in a park but I don't hate all straight couples because I have two things called compassion and understanding
I wasnt talking about spitting on a sidewalk. Im talking about someone robbing you, and you hit them and they can sue which has happened.


Eddie out.

[Harry Smith]

G
My Grandpa was a preacher. He said to not hate the sinner, hate the sin.
.

Was your Grandpa aware that the old testament also supports slavery, martial rape and domestic abuse. However it seems that the religious right always ignore this part of the Bible. I don't really care what you Holy Book says about me because this is the same book which says that two nudists caused all our problems because the snake told them to eat a piece of fruit- that sounds like a great book to base your life on mate

-unnecessary. -Emerald Dream

[EddietheZombie]

Was your Grandpa aware that the old testament also supports slavery, martial rape and domestic abuse. However it seems that the religious right always ignore this part of the Bible.

Are you aware that when Jesus came that he said all the old laws are gone except the Ten Commandments and his fathers statutes? That means that everything after the Ten Commandments is still law, which includes Leviticus. Why do you think Sodom and Gamora was destroyed?

Now i end my posts here.

[thatcountrykid]

Was your Grandpa aware that the old testament also supports slavery, martial rape and domestic abuse. However it seems that the religious right always ignore this part of the Bible. I don't really care what you Holy Book says about me because this is the same book which says that two nudists caused all our problems because the snake told them to eat a piece of fruit- that sounds like a great book to base your life on mate

Don't hate the idiot, hate the idiotic ideas

Equality huh. As soon as some one disagrees with you you jump on them as ignorant idiots. Its a two way street bud. People can have their opinions.

[Harry Smith]

Are you aware that when Jesus came that he said all the old laws are gone except the Ten Commandments and his fathers statutes? That means that everything after the Ten Commandments is still law, which includes Leviticus. Why do you think Sodom and Gamora was destroyed?

Now i end my posts here.

Wait I thought Jesus was God? Oh wait he was also his son... that just makes perfect sense. Did you forgot about the Snake and Apple? And when the man got eaten by the Whale?

Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuals- I believe in fact he was one of the most radical figures of the time period. He allowed women into his following and taught compassion- something you greatly lack

Equality huh. As soon as some one disagrees with you you jump on them as ignorant idiots. Its a two way street bud. People can have their opinions.

I'm sorry- there is a difference between legal equality and a politcal debate. If someone says sometime says their view on a debate forum then the normal thing to do is to debate their ideas with them. Equality doesn't mean you have to stop having debates...

As I said about two posts up

'm sorry but you have to be stupid for failing to understand the difference between disagreeing with someone in a debate and having legal equality within the law. I believe everyone should have equal rights- that doesn't mean that people should express their views without scrutiny and evidence. That's something called a debate.

[Emerald Dream]

I've allowed all of you to defend your viewpoints on the matter, but honestly....this is pretty far from Duck Dynasty at this point.

Unless it goes back to it, and quickly - this thread is being locked.

[Korashk]

Google man marries his car. Now whos wear the proverbial tin foil hat?
You realize that those people aren't actually married to inanimate objects right? They just had the church ceremony that is virtually meaningless from a legal standpoint.

[EddietheZombie]

Wait I thought Jesus was God? Oh wait he was also his son... that just makes perfect sense. Did you forgot about the Snake and Apple? And when the man got eaten by the Whale?

Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuals- I believe in fact he was one of the most radical figures of the time period. He allowed women into his following and taught compassion- something you greatly lack



I'm sorry- there is a difference between legal equality and a politcal debate. If someone says sometime says their view on a debate forum then the normal thing to do is to debate their ideas with them. Equality doesn't mean you have to stop having debates...

As I said about two posts up



Do you know what end posts means? Jesus was the son of God. And i firmly believe everything in the Bible. Do you know why? Its because science is catching up with the bible. New Jerusalem is supposed to come down from the sky, but how can a city do that? Well the streets are paved with gold so pure, it is to be transparent glass. M-State Gold was discovered and can levitate things that its in. The Bible, though i dont know where off the top of my head, says people with be around trees at Christmas time, but Christmas trees are fairly new compared to the Bible, so how did they know? The word was built in seven days. When the Big Bang happened time moved much slower than it does now because everything was so densely pact that even light was contained. It took seven periods of over xbillion years to get to where people started. Seven days for God but it affected us for billions of years. And you cant say to me that the writers of the Bible thought up of all this without help of God. So if he says being homosexual is an abomination, then im going to believe it.
You realize that those people aren't actually married to inanimate objects right? They just had the church ceremony that is virtually meaningless from a legal standpoint.
I know legally they arent, but they still have sex with animals and inanimate objects which is still gross as hell.

Edit: I found where it says it.
http://www.openbible.info/topics/christmas_trees

[Harry Smith]

I'll sum up my view on this topic in one statement

Gay people should have equal rights, we are engaged in a struggle for equal rights in the same way that Blacks and Mexicans battled back in the 1960's. I accept that the man has every legal right to make that comment however I strongly disagree with his comments and I believe that gay people like straight people should have equal rights.

[Emerald Dream]

We've gone from whether or not Duck Dynasty should be cancelled to throwing the Bible around. I realize that homophobia is the topic here, but we are stretching pretty far from the original discussion. Let's please get back to it.

[EddietheZombie]

Aren't people around trees for 365 days a year...
Read the above because this is my last one. Do not quote me again. And i know its Pagan but the Bible said it will happen in the future. It hadnt happened when the Bible was written, so how did they know? That is my point.
We've gone from whether or not Duck Dynasty should be cancelled to throwing the Bible around. I realize that homophobia is the topic here, but we are stretching pretty far from the original discussion. Let's please get back to it.
Sorry, i was proving where the Bible is right and if its right about stuff like that, then why not this? Sorry everyone back on topic. Im out.

[Harry Smith]

Read the above because this is my last one. Do not quote me again. And i know its Pagan but the Bible said it will happen in the future. It hadnt happened when the Bible was written, so how did they know? That is my point.

Sorry, i was proving where the Bible is right and if its right about stuff like that, then why not this? Sorry everyone back on topic. Im out.

I believe this is the third time you've said your out... and you also don't have a much of a right to tell me who and who not to quote.

As I said above if you want my summary on it here it is

Gay people should have equal rights, we are engaged in a struggle for equal rights in the same way that Blacks and Mexicans battled back in the 1960's. I accept that the man has every legal right to make that comment however I strongly disagree with his comments and I believe that gay people like straight people should have equal rights.

[darthearth]

I believe it has all been just a big overreaction. Can't everyone just see that he simply has a particular religious opinion? Just move on, no suspensions or cancellations, it's almost playgroundish the fervor. I am a Christian and I and many other Christians strongly disagree with his view, which I find to be completely ignorant. But you know what, I would have just noted it and moved on, continuing to watch the show (if I watched it before) without change. Watching the show doesn't mean I agree with the views of the characters, in fact I might have suspected that an abhorrent view on homosexuality might have been present before it was even mentioned given the nature of the show, it wouldn't change the reason why I watched the show.

[Walter Powers]

comparing them with beastiality seems pretty insulting to me

You obviously didn't read the interview. He was comparing what they do to it, not who they are as people.

[saea97]

You obviously didn't read the interview. He was comparing what they do to it, not who they are as people.

Thank goodness you've contextualised it for us, Walter. Now that you've cleared up all the misunderstanding I'm completely unoffended by the insinuation that gay sex is on a parallel with bestiality.

[LouBerry]

Despite not being able to post links, please search up Duck a Dynasty and you'll see that one of the stars went on a homophobic anti-gay rant spewing hate, bigotry, and ignorance. Personally I never watched the show, but now I don't think they deserve to have any episodes past, present, or future air at all after this. Such a shame of TV business to portray a cast of ignorant and small minded religious bigots and allow it to be this popular.

Edit: here's the link (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-equates-homosexuality-bestiality-article-1.1551556)

Hell no. This is idiotic and quite frankly, pathetic. First of all, do you know any thing about them. One single thing? They are EXTREMELY educated people. All of them. Also, they have created an empire with the Duck Commander gear. Can you do that? Probably not. So, don't try to sling mud where there is none.

Before I begin this, I am pro- equal rights, and have the liberal stance on gay marriage and all that. So, don't start calling me a bigot or an idiot.

The Robinsons are Christian. They have been the whole show. It's not a secret. What does the Bible say about gay marriage? That it's a sin. So what do most Christians believe? That it's a sin. That is his own personal belief. His own opinion.

You obviously have the opposite opinion. Isn't that okay? It's okay for you to say, "Hey, it's not a sin, it's just how some people are." So it should be okay for someone else to say, "Hey I believe what my God told me."

This has got to stop. Because you know what, there aren't that many Christians that really support hate on homosexuals. I'm VERY strong in my faith, and I sure don't. So when things like this happen, are you feel offended and outraged? We feel the same way. If you are closed minded enough to believe that only the opinion popular to yours matters, than YOU are the bigot. How do you not see that? Tolerance and acceptance goes TWO ways.

[ksdnfkfr]

The Robinsons are Christian. They have been the whole show. It's not a secret. What does the Bible say about gay marriage? That it's a sin. So what do most Christians believe? That it's a sin. That is his own personal belief. His own opinion.

The negative attention to what he said is directly tied into his
affiliation with A&E and they want to sever that tie. Robinson
tainted his A&E image and the image of the A&E show and basically
has now become an embarrassment to A&E. Of course they are
going to dump him and the show over it.

[thatcountrykid]

Hell no. This is idiotic and quite frankly, pathetic. First of all, do you know any thing about them. One single thing? They are EXTREMELY educated people. All of them. Also, they have created an empire with the Duck Commander gear. Can you do that? Probably not. So, don't try to sling mud where there is none.

The Robinsons are Christian. They have been the whole show. It's not a secret. What does the Bible say about gay marriage? That it's a sin. So what do most Christians believe? That it's a sin. That is his own personal belief. His own opinion.

You obviously have the opposite opinion. Isn't that okay? It's okay for you to say, "Hey, it's not a sin, it's just how some people are." So it should be okay for someone else to say, "Hey I believe what my God told me."

This has got to stop. Because you know what, there aren't that many Christians that really support hate on homosexuals. I'm VERY strong in my faith, and I sure don't. So when things like this happen, are you feel offended and outraged? We feel the same way. If you are closed minded enough to believe that only the opinion popular to yours matters, than YOU are the bigot. How do you not see that? Tolerance and acceptance goes TWO ways.

Thank you! That is exactly what i was going for. Acceptance goes
Both ways.

[thatcountrykid]

Hell no. This is idiotic and quite frankly, pathetic. First of all, do you know any thing about them. One single thing? They are EXTREMELY educated people. All of them. Also, they have created an empire with the Duck Commander gear. Can you do that? Probably not. So, don't try to sling mud where there is none.

The Robinsons are Christian. They have been the whole show. It's not a secret. What does the Bible say about gay marriage? That it's a sin. So what do most Christians believe? That it's a sin. That is his own personal belief. His own opinion.

You obviously have the opposite opinion. Isn't that okay? It's okay for you to say, "Hey, it's not a sin, it's just how some people are." So it should be okay for someone else to say, "Hey I believe what my God told me."

This has got to stop. Because you know what, there aren't that many Christians that really support hate on homosexuals. I'm VERY strong in my faith, and I sure don't. So when things like this happen, are you feel offended and outraged? We feel the same way. If you are closed minded enough to believe that only the opinion popular to yours matters, than YOU are the bigot. How do you not see that? Tolerance and acceptance goes TWO ways.

Thank you! That is exactly what i was going for. Acceptance goes
Both ways.

[Korashk]

Thank you! That is exactly what i was going for. Acceptance goes
Both ways.
Not when one of the sides is spouting ignorant and intolerant bigotry.

[LouBerry]

The negative attention to what he said is directly tied into his
affiliation with A&E and they want to sever that tie. Robinson
tainted his A&E image and the image of the A&E show and basically
has now become an embarrassment to A&E. Of course they are
going to dump him and the show over it.

Okay, and so if one of them had said something about advocating gay rights, no one would care?

Not allowing someone to have their own thoughts and opinions is the problem on BOTH sides. ANYONE, regardless of race, gender, orientation, ANYTHING, deserves to be able to voice their opinion. People would throw a FIT if someone was kicked off a show for advocating gay rights, and they network would be called a bigoted hate group, correct? It's the same damn thing here.

[Walter Powers]

There's now a movement to boycott A & E for this. This facebook page went up this morning and already has 1.1 million likes:

https://www.facebook.com/Philrobertsonsupport?ref=nf

I don't think this was a good business decision; they obviously don't know who their viewer base is!

[LouBerry]

Not when one of the sides is spouting ignorant and intolerant bigotry.

Who exactly is doing that, might I ask? Mr. Robertson expressed his own belief. He didn't say that his belief was more important, or that anyone else didn't matter, which btw is what a bigot is, you do realize? He simply said what he believed and that he didn't understand people who though otherwise. That's not bigoted. I don't understand people who think differently than me on things. And honestly, who doesn't think their beliefs and opinions take first priority, you and I certainly do.

[skiman]

To those dynastic ducks...
Good day,
Good bye,
and good f***ing riddance.

[ksdnfkfr]

Okay, and so if one of them had said something about advocating gay rights, no one would care?

Not allowing someone to have their own thoughts and opinions is the problem on BOTH sides. ANYONE, regardless of race, gender, orientation, ANYTHING, deserves to be able to voice their opinion. People would throw a FIT if someone was kicked off a show for advocating gay rights, and they network would be called a bigoted hate group, correct? It's the same damn thing here.

Yeah I'm sure there is a double standard in this like with many
other things. But I have heard of celebrities being fired for
what they have said on a number of issues because it started
a shitstorm - I just see this as another one of those occasions.

[LouBerry]

Yeah I'm sure there is a double standard in this like with many
other things. But I have heard of celebrities being fired for
what they have said on a number of issues because it started
a shitstorm - I just see this as another one of those occasions.

Just because it has happened before doesn't make it right. Everyone should be able to express their beliefs.

[ksdnfkfr]

Just because it has happened before doesn't make it right. Everyone should be able to express their beliefs.

I hear you. idk I am ambivalent about this.
I find myself agreeing with both sides on several points.

[Korashk]

Who exactly is doing that, might I ask? Mr. Robertson expressed his own belief. He didn't say that his belief was more important, or that anyone else didn't matter, which btw is what a bigot is, you do realize? He simply said what he believed and that he didn't understand people who though otherwise. That's not bigoted. I don't understand people who think differently than me on things. And honestly, who doesn't think their beliefs and opinions take first priority, you and I certainly do.
Get real. In this day and age grouping homosexual activity with bestiality and various other crimes is just bigotry plain and simple regardless of the lip service paid towards "just expressing one's beliefs".

When your beliefs include "this group of people is going to burn in hell for all eternity because of a harmless activity they partake in" we can safely label that belief as an expression of ignorant bigotry regardless of the demeanor of the one expressing it.

Just because it has happened before doesn't make it right. Everyone should be able to express their beliefs.
Doesn't make it wrong either, and nobody's stopping them.

[AgentHomo]

Equality huh. As soon as some one disagrees with you you jump on them as ignorant idiots. Its a two way street bud. People can have their opinions.

I am tolerant of Christians. Yes I have to deal with them, but that doesn't mean their statements of belief are to go without critique and consequence on my part.

You obviously didn't read the interview. He was comparing what they do to it, not who they are as people.

Amd the fact Phil did make him appear as the ignorant homophobic bigot he is.

Hell no. This is idiotic and quite frankly, pathetic. First of all, do you know any thing about them. One single thing? They are EXTREMELY educated people. All of them. Also, they have created an empire with the Duck Commander gear. Can you do that? Probably not. So, don't try to sling mud where there is none.

Before I begin this, I am pro- equal rights, and have the liberal stance on gay marriage and all that. So, don't start calling me a bigot or an idiot.

The Robinsons are Christian. They have been the whole show. It's not a secret. What does the Bible say about gay marriage? That it's a sin. So what do most Christians believe? That it's a sin. That is his own personal belief. His own opinion.

You obviously have the opposite opinion. Isn't that okay? It's okay for you to say, "Hey, it's not a sin, it's just how some people are." So it should be okay for someone else to say, "Hey I believe what my God told me."

This has got to stop. Because you know what, there aren't that many Christians that really support hate on homosexuals. I'm VERY strong in my faith, and I sure don't. So when things like this happen, are you feel offended and outraged? We feel the same way. If you are closed minded enough to believe that only the opinion popular to yours matters, than YOU are the bigot. How do you not see that? Tolerance and acceptance goes TWO ways.

How can you believe in your god and support something you are told to be against. Christians who claim they support same sex marriage is just rolling around in flawed logic here. Support same sex marriage but support a religion that doesn't support same sex marriage.


The negative attention to what he said is directly tied into his
affiliation with A&E and they want to sever that tie. Robinson
tainted his A&E image and the image of the A&E show and basically
has now become an embarrassment to A&E. Of course they are
going to dump him and the show over it.

And the network has every right to dump him and cancel the show. I support the right to.
Thank you! That is exactly what i was going for. Acceptance goes
Both ways.

As said above, I tolerate opposing opinions, but I won't hesitate to challenge one's views that are against the rights of a minority of people.

Not when one of the sides is spouting ignorant and intolerant bigotry.

This is a valid point here to the "Tolerance" argument. Everyone has their right to free speech, even to make ignorant and homophobic hate speech.

Okay, and so if one of them had said something about advocating gay rights, no one would care?

Not allowing someone to have their own thoughts and opinions is the problem on BOTH sides. ANYONE, regardless of race, gender, orientation, ANYTHING, deserves to be able to voice their opinion. People would throw a FIT if someone was kicked off a show for advocating gay rights, and they network would be called a bigoted hate group, correct? It's the same damn thing here.

People can have their own thoughts and beliefs, but it doesn't make it right. If they believe I can't get married then they are so obviously homophobic bigots.

To those dynastic ducks...
Good day,
Good bye,
and good f***ing riddance.

Agreed. I really do hope the network cancels this show once and for all. We don't need a family of rednecks to brainwash viewers with religious bigotry.

Just because it has happened before doesn't make it right. Everyone should be able to express their beliefs.

As said above for the third time, people are allowed to express their beliefs, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is right.

Get real. In this day and age grouping homosexual activity with bestiality and various other crimes is just bigotry plain and simple regardless of the lip service paid towards "just expressing one's beliefs".

When your beliefs include "this group of people is going to burn in hell for all eternity because of a harmless activity they partake in" we can safely label that belief as an expression of ignorant bigotry regardless of the demeanor of the one expressing it.


Doesn't make it wrong either, and nobody's stopping them.

Agreed.

[Vocabulous]

I don't get why everyone is freaking out. You ask a older, deep southern American his views on homosexuality, you get what you expect

[LouBerry]

Get real. In this day and age grouping homosexual activity with bestiality and various other crimes is just bigotry plain and simple regardless of the lip service paid towards "just expressing one's beliefs".

When your beliefs include "this group of people is going to burn in hell for all eternity because of a harmless activity they partake in" we can safely label that belief as an expression of ignorant bigotry regardless of the demeanor of the one expressing it.


No, it's really not. He listed some of the sins that came to mind. Drinking, fornication, bestiality to name a few. Still his opinion, and still the same opinion shared by other Christians. That's not bigotry! My religion is not bigotry. Do I seem like a bigot? I'm all for equal rights. For everyone. Calling me a bigot would seem laughable.

My belief does NOT include that. I have NEVER told someone that, nor will I EVER. For that matter, no one I even know, says things like that. If you don't believe in God, I don't really know, that's His and your business, not mine, but not a SINGLE sin would send you to Hell if you believe in God. Not a single one. Some of my gay friends are way stronger Christians than me, why would I EVER think that they weren't going to Heaven? If they aren't then I'm not either. Not. Bigotry.



How can you believe in your god and support something you are told to be against. Christians who claim they support same sex marriage is just rolling around in flawed logic here. Support same sex marriage but support a religion that doesn't support same sex marriage.

People can have their own thoughts and beliefs, but it doesn't make it right. If they believe I can't get married then they are so obviously homophobic bigots.


I suppose it take some little bit of compassion to try and under stand someone else's beliefs. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. I think it's wrong, because the Bible says so, sorry, I get it, that sucks. But, I've had sex before marriage. I think that's wrong, but I don't really care. I've got drunk once, I definitely think that's wrong, but I still did it. I cuss regularly, and I know that's wrong, but I do it anyway. That isn't flawed logic, that's flawed ME. I sin, so does everyone else. I don't treat homosexuality like it's the ultra-sin like it's getting portrayed as by some Christians now. It's just a sin. Just like mine. Hell, it's probably one of the less serious ones. If loving someone is a sin, than doing something our of hatefulness or spite must be unspeakable, and I do that everyday, so, the way I see it, I'm way worse.

And the thing is, I support gay rights because I think those rights are constitutionally sound, and I have gay friends. I want my friends to be happy, with who ever makes them happy, and I want them to have all the rights that my husband and I will have when I get married, because that's what's fair.

No, that doesn't make it right, you are correct. But, telling someone else that they are wrong and completely disrespecting their beliefs and their rights is what is wrong with BOTH sides. We have to compromise. That's not likely to happen, but you see, it can't be one sided. Christians aren't going to come around to gay rights if every time they say what they thing they are called a bigot.

[Cpt_Cutter]

While I don't like what he said, I support his right to say it even if it is borderline bigoted. What I don't understand is how Christians knit-pick parts of the bible to believe in, yet don't believe in other parts (An example being the whole no-two-types-of-cloth, or the shellfish thing). This guy clearly believes in the Anti-Gay area, yet I bet he doesn't believe in spousal abuse or slavery.

I say let him have his opinion, but If people feel like complaining to the broadcaster about him voicing it, then let them do that too.

[Vlerchan]

He listed some of the sins that came to mind. Drinking, fornication, bestiality to name a few. Still his opinion, and still the same opinion shared by other Christians.
It's a bigoted opinion is the point. He's no rational basis to move against two of three of those 'sins' you mentioned - drinking and fornicating - yet still strongly believes that he is correct to do so regardless of that. Here, I'll repost the definition of bigotry and allow you decide for yourself whether his views deserve such a label: "having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others." It seems like it to me, though.

My religion is not bigotry.
Does it have a rational basis to move against homosexuality or extra-martial sex or a number of other 'sins' that in no way impact on the lives of any other individual? If the answer is no then your religion - I'm assuming Christianity - appears to be rather bigoted. That's not to say that all Christians are bigots - I'm surrounded by Christians who I wouldn't ever claim to be bigots - but rather the book that many derive there morality from is full of irrational and bigoted opinions.

Do I seem like a bigot?
No, I suppose is the answer you want to get here.

I suppose it take some little bit of compassion to try and under stand someone else's beliefs. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. I think it's wrong, because the Bible says so, sorry, I get it, that sucks.
I understand your beliefs. I just deem them to be irrational and not worth consideration. Can you actually justify why homosexuality is a 'sin' or 'immoral'? Like, in your own words without using the phrase 'the bible said so'. I'd be inclined to listen if you could.

Whatever it is called, it is still bad and that doorway was opened because of abortion.I sorta gave up reading what you were saying after 'animals have gay sex; therefore gays are like animals' though I felt this was important to clarify: if anything 'opened the door' - which is a glaring slippery slope argument, I'll add - it was legalising euthanasia (which as far as I'm aware hasn't happened in the US yet) and not abortion. Though I can assure you right now that this proposed motion will never get passed. Infanticide seems to me like it would contravene the infants 'inalienable' right to life - note: a foetus does not posses this same right as it is not considered a full human being under the constitution before you make any attempt to argue here.

[thatcountrykid]

I am tolerant of Christians. Yes I have to deal with them, but that doesn't mean their statements of belief are to go without critique and consequence on my part.

Amd the fact Phil did make him appear as the ignorant homophobic bigot he is.

.

He's not homoPHOBIC. He's not afraid of gays. He doesn't agree with what they do.

And thats fine you don't agree with christians but theres no need for all that personal attack crap. Calling them ignorant bigots because that will cause hate. Treat each other with tolerance and respect.

[AgentHomo]

He's not homoPHOBIC. He's not afraid of gays. He doesn't agree with what they do.

And thats fine you don't agree with christians but theres no need for all that personal attack crap. Calling them ignorant bigots because that will cause hate. Treat each other with tolerance and respect.

He's against equal rights of the LGBT community. That seems very homophobic to me. Comparing me to bestiality? Do you see why I'm so passionate about this? My signature says it all. Support me or fear me. I am inevitable. Either way there will be equality. And the other side put themselves up so high on the pedestal that in order to be equal we must bring them down!

[Harry Smith]

He's not homoPHOBIC. He's not afraid of gays. He doesn't agree with what they do.

And thats fine you don't agree with christians but theres no need for all that personal attack crap. Calling them ignorant bigots because that will cause hate. Treat each other with tolerance and respect.

Sigh- it's nice you think being 'homophobic' is just being afraid of gays.

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.[1

Personal attack crap? So expressing a flaw within a religion expresses a personal attack.

You also seem to forgot the countless number of highly personal attacks on homosexuality in this thread alone and in society. We've been labelled child molesters and perverts for the last 100 years, we've had church groups campaigning against our very civil rights. I'm going to confront the church and it's views when it's spend the last 4 years in Britain stopping every single aspect of homosexuality.

In the 1860's many people were opposed to the emancipation of the slaves, in the 1910's many were opposed to women getting a vote, in the 1960's many were opposed to Blacks getting equal rights. I hope that in 60 years time that opponents of homosexuality will look back and laugh at how wrong they were on this issue.

[The Flash]

IMO, I don't think Phil should be fire or the show should be cancelled.
But Phil shouldn't have said all those things, he should have kept it to himself.
I'm not straight, and yes it's offensive, but he has the right to say what he wants. There will always be homophobic people out there, and we shouldn't worry about what they say. Words are just words

[LouBerry]

It's a bigoted opinion is the point. He's no rational basis to move against two of three of those 'sins' you mentioned - drinking and fornicating - yet still strongly believes that he is correct to do so regardless of that. Here, I'll repost the definition of bigotry and allow you decide for yourself whether his views deserve such a label: "having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others." It seems like it to me, though.

Okay, if we are all fighting about this because he thinks his beliefs are superior, then we're all stupid, because everyone wants to believe their belief is more important. Because if you believe in something, it's true to you. If he wasn't a Christian, and he said that he thought that drinking and pre-marital sex was wrong, would you still call him a bigot? Really, the biggest part of bigotry is the, as you put it, "Prejudiced intolerance". He stated his opinion. He didn't say, nor does he believe that homosexuals, or alcoholics, or fornicators, or whatever else he said, are bad people. It's hard to grasp if you have no understanding of our religion, but we are not taught to hate others. The entire point of our religion is to spread love. Now, with that, we are never supposed to love or rejoice in sin. For example, I'm in high school. So I know a lot of people who go out on the weekend and get drunk and smoke weed. I don't think that's right, but I don't look at the individual and think bad things about them. Ever. I love my friends, no matter what. But, I look at their drinking, and all the other shit they get into, and I do hate that. I hate that they are drinking, I don't hate them for drinking. The Robertson's have a clear view of that, which has been shown over and over and over in the, what, three or four years Duck Dynasty has been popular?

Does it have a rational basis to move against homosexuality or extra-martial sex or a number of other 'sins' that in no way impact on the lives of any other individual? If the answer is no then your religion - I'm assuming Christianity - appears to be rather bigoted. That's not to say that all Christians are bigots - I'm surrounded by Christians who I wouldn't ever claim to be bigots - but rather the book that many derive there morality from is full of irrational and bigoted opinions.

How has he moved against ANY of those things. If someone comes out as being gay, they aren't making a movement against people who are straight. Mr. Robertson was stating his damn opinion. He wasn't even saying "They are going to Hell" or "They are gross, we would lynch them." He said that he didn't understand it, and he doesn't, because he isn't gay. As I answered above, we don't hate the sinner, we have the sin. That. Isn't. Bigotry. Yes, I suppose you could say that the Bible is full of bigotry. But, supposing God is real, he is correct, and he knows that he is, so I think maybe the God of the universe can be a bit of a bigot if he wants to.

No, I suppose is the answer you want to get here.

Man, at least you are thorough.

I understand your beliefs. I just deem them to be irrational and not worth consideration. Can you actually justify why homosexuality is a 'sin' or 'immoral'? Like, in your own words without using the phrase 'the bible said so'. I'd be inclined to listen if you could.

You deem them to be irrational and not worth consideration. Wait, what was the definition for a bigot? "having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others." Well, it would appear your side is no better than mine. Why can't I say, "Because the Bible said so?" The Bible is our instruction, given to us by God. No, I can't justify why homosexuality is a sin. I didn't make the rules, bud. I can only tell you that we are instructed to believe it. Believe it or not, a lot of Christians are asking themselves the same thing. I don't really understand it, myself. It's definitely got to be a more minor sin than all of the others. I mean, all other sins that I can think of are sins because they directly hurt someone. Whether it's yourself or others. But being gay hurts no one. What's wrong with a little extra love in the world? I don't know. All I know is there is a reason, and someday I will understand it.

[Vlerchan]

If splitting up your post annoys you, I'm sorry. I merely find it easier to approach text-walls on a point-by-point basis.
Okay, if we are all fighting about this because he thinks his beliefs are superior, then we're all stupid, because everyone wants to believe their belief is more important.Robertson's belief still isn't rationally-backed. I'm unsure what you're actually trying to argue here. He's a bigot because he believes that his belief is true without any form of (theoretical or hypothetical) rational-backing. I'll personally make the transition to anti-LGBT-ness if Robertson can produce rational backing for his belief. I'll add that since I'm not claiming anything - only disputing his irrational claim - I don't need to provide this rational backing. The burden of proof generally lies on the individual making the assertion.

Bigotry lies in believing that your irrational belief is above another - such as is the case here - based entirely on, well ... nothing. I strongly align bigotry with irrationality.

Because if you believe in something, it's true to you.A belief being true to you doesn't actually make it true, y'know. I feel like I'm stating the obvious here but it's still an important distinction to make. I'd actually calculate the strength of Robertson's bigotry by the strength of his convictions that what he believes is true without rational-backing.

If he wasn't a Christian, and he said that he thought that drinking and pre-marital sex was wrong, would you still call him a bigot?I doubt he'd be able to present any more rational-backing for such a belief as a non-Christian as he can a Christian, so yes.

Really, the biggest part of bigotry is the, as you put it, "Prejudiced intolerance".I'd argue that it is actually, as put by me, "obstinate belief", that plays the biggest role in defining a bigot. It is that unwavering allegiance to their own irrational beliefs that makes them who they are, no necessarily their intolerance towards others.

So I know a lot of people who go out on the weekend and get drunk and smoke weed. I don't think that's right [...]In a moral sense or practical sense? I honestly can't see how one can find an action that doesn't impact on any other individual to be immoral, honestly. You actually comment that you believe roughly the same - so I ask: why are you still adhering to these beliefs?

He said that he didn't understand it, and he doesn't, because he isn't gay. As I answered above, we don't hate the sinner, we have the sin. That. Isn't. Bigotry.The actions of an individual define an individual, is basically my belief on this. Whilst you may claim to solely condone the sin you're simultaneously condoning the individual who committed the sin - or that's how I've always felt.

You deem them to be irrational and not worth consideration. Wait, what was the definition for a bigot? "having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others." Well, it would appear your side is no better than mine.Actually, my side isn't trying to promote irrationality which I would believe does make us the better side. I also don't need rational-backing because I'm not trying to prove anything - all individual are equal; all actions are equal is a pretty set position - you on the other hand ...

Why can't I say, "Because the Bible said so?"
Because such requires faith and faith is inherently irrational. Now I'm not saying that you can't believe in the infallibility of the bible but I am saying that you can't use its teachings to prove a point.

[Harry Smith]

Supposing God is real, he is correct, and he knows that he is, so I think maybe the God of the universe can be a bit of a bigot if he wants to.


I really don't think that a supreme being such as God which has according to Bible vast power over time/physics and reality really gives a flying fuck about who each individual sleeps with.

I mean Christians base their belief on the Bible yet they seem to ignore the other extreme parts, for example the Bible supports Slavery, do you?

[LouBerry]

If splitting up your post annoys you, I'm sorry. I merely find it easier to approach text-walls on a point-by-point basis.
Robertson's belief still isn't rationally-backed. I'm unsure what you're actually trying to argue here. He's a bigot because he believes that his belief is true without any form of (theoretical or hypothetical) rational-backing. I'll personally make the transition to anti-LGBT-ness if Robertson can produce rational backing for his belief. I'll add that since I'm not claiming anything - only disputing his irrational claim - I don't need to provide this rational backing. The burden of proof generally lies on the individual making the assertion.

Bigotry lies in believing that your irrational belief is above another - such as is the case here - based entirely on, well ... nothing. I strongly align bigotry with irrationality.

A belief being true to you doesn't actually make it true, y'know. I feel like I'm stating the obvious here but it's still an important distinction to make. I'd actually calculate the strength of Robertson's bigotry by the strength of his convictions that what he believes is true without rational-backing.

I doubt he'd be able to present any more rational-backing for such a belief as a non-Christian as he can a Christian, so yes.

I'd argue that it is actually, as put by me, "obstinate belief", that plays the biggest role in defining a bigot. It is that unwavering allegiance to their own irrational beliefs that makes them who they are, no necessarily their intolerance towards others.

In a moral sense or practical sense? I honestly can't see how one can find an action that doesn't impact on any other individual to be immoral, honestly. You actually comment that you believe roughly the same - so I ask: why are you still adhering to these beliefs?

The actions of an individual define an individual, is basically my belief on this. Whilst you may claim to solely condone the sin you're simultaneously condoning the individual who committed the sin - or that's how I've always felt.

Actually, my side isn't trying to promote irrationality which I would believe does make us the better side. I also don't need rational-backing because I'm not trying to prove anything - all individual are equal; all actions are equal is a pretty set position - you on the other hand ...


Because such requires faith and faith is inherently irrational. Now I'm not saying that you can't believe in the infallibility of the bible but I am saying that you can't use its teachings to prove a point.

You are impossible. Bigot=you. And me. And hell, everyone is a bigot because we all think we are right. As this thread has proven. This is just so dumb. That man is a Christian conservative redneck from the South. You'll get the same answer from anyone here over the age of thirty.

[Harry Smith]

You are impossible. Bigot=you. And me. And hell, everyone is a bigot because we all think we are right. As this thread has proven. This is just so dumb. That man is a Christian conservative redneck from the South. You'll get the same answer from anyone here over the age of thirty.

Does that Justify he view? Heck I think it's pretty degrading to the South to say that they're all against LGBT rights because some people down there are actually progressive

[darthearth]

He's a bigot because he believes that his belief is true without any form of (theoretical or hypothetical) rational-backing.
........................

Because such requires faith and faith is inherently irrational.

So by your argument, it necessarily follows that everyone of faith is a bigot. I think this reveals an obvious and serious inadequacy. And you really need to stop saying faith is inherently irrational, by this you are saying it is unreasonable, and this is simply not true (first cause is just one reason).



Okay, if we are all fighting about this because he thinks his beliefs are superior, then we're all stupid, because everyone wants to believe their belief is more important. Because if you believe in something, it's true to you. If he wasn't a Christian, and he said that he thought that drinking and pre-marital sex was wrong, would you still call him a bigot? Really, the biggest part of bigotry is the, as you put it, "Prejudiced intolerance". He stated his opinion. He didn't say, nor does he believe that homosexuals, or alcoholics, or fornicators, or whatever else he said, are bad people. It's hard to grasp if you have no understanding of our religion, but we are not taught to hate others. The entire point of our religion is to spread love. Now, with that, we are never supposed to love or rejoice in sin. For example, I'm in high school. So I know a lot of people who go out on the weekend and get drunk and smoke weed. I don't think that's right, but I don't look at the individual and think bad things about them. Ever. I love my friends, no matter what. But, I look at their drinking, and all the other shit they get into, and I do hate that. I hate that they are drinking, I don't hate them for drinking. The Robertson's have a clear view of that, which has been shown over and over and over in the, what, three or four years Duck Dynasty has been popular?



How has he moved against ANY of those things. If someone comes out as being gay, they aren't making a movement against people who are straight. Mr. Robertson was stating his damn opinion. He wasn't even saying "They are going to Hell" or "They are gross, we would lynch them." He said that he didn't understand it, and he doesn't, because he isn't gay. As I answered above, we don't hate the sinner, we have the sin. That. Isn't. Bigotry. Yes, I suppose you could say that the Bible is full of bigotry. But, supposing God is real, he is correct, and he knows that he is, so I think maybe the God of the universe can be a bit of a bigot if he wants to.



You deem them to be irrational and not worth consideration. Wait, what was the definition for a bigot? "having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others." Well, it would appear your side is no better than mine. Why can't I say, "Because the Bible said so?" The Bible is our instruction, given to us by God. No, I can't justify why homosexuality is a sin. I didn't make the rules, bud. I can only tell you that we are instructed to believe it. Believe it or not, a lot of Christians are asking themselves the same thing. I don't really understand it, myself. It's definitely got to be a more minor sin than all of the others. I mean, all other sins that I can think of are sins because they directly hurt someone. Whether it's yourself or others. But being gay hurts no one. What's wrong with a little extra love in the world? I don't know. All I know is there is a reason, and someday I will understand it.


You have been making sense with your arguments throughout this thread. I'll elucidate further that Robertson was only mentioning homosexuality along with beastiality and such because he intended to make a list of "sins", not to really "compare" them. But I am a Christian and I do not think that homosexuality is a sin, nor am I "instructed" to follow the Bible (I find that command no where). I suggest this is why you cannot reason it out, because it simply is not true.


How can you believe in your god and support something you are told to be against. Christians who claim they support same sex marriage is just rolling around in flawed logic here. Support same sex marriage but support a religion that doesn't support same sex marriage.



Only a particular interpretation of Christianity does not support same sex marriage. I do not believe in the infallibility of the Bible, and New Testament authors can be ignorant on non-theological issues. There is variety in Christianity.

[AgentHomo]

So by your argument, it necessarily follows that everyone of faith is a bigot. I think this reveals an obvious and serious inadequacy. And you really need to stop saying faith is inherently irrational, by this you are saying it is unreasonable, and this is simply not true (first cause is just one reason).

The way I see is this. There are three options for people of faith.

Option 1: Against. We can all agree that using a two thousand year old book written by some dude to bash certain demographics and condem them is ignorant, bigoted, and completely WRONG! Those are the ones that we see a lot. Those are typical in religions.

Option 2: Support. There people of faith who support LGBT rights. Thank you. I appreciate it. But my question regarding this is why support something your faith has deemed immoral and sinful? Why support something your faith is so obviously against? That right there is a contradiction in religious logic (lol such an oxymoron).

Option 3: Neutral. These are the people who don't know, or can't decides personally I see fence sitters as the worst. Why? This:
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Being neutral on something such as LGBT rights shows me that you really don't give a shit either way. While you do nothing, LGBT are constantly being discriminated against and bullied. This is why i say support me or fear me. No in between on this anymore.[/QUOTE]

[StoppingTime]

He's against equal rights of the LGBT community. That seems very homophobic to me. Comparing me to bestiality? Do you see why I'm so passionate about this?

There's a difference between being passionate about something and being overly supportive about something. Having radical, pro-everything individuals causing such a problem over some guy's opinion is just meaningless and won't achieve anything. You shouldn't be out to change everyone's mind and opinion - some people don't want to listen, and guess what, if they're not doing anything to oppress you, deal with it and move on.

My signature says it all. Support me or fear me. I am inevitable. Either way there will be equality. And the other side put themselves up so high on the pedestal that in order to be equal we must bring them down!

Umwutidontevenknow.



The way I see is this. There are three options for people of faith.

Option 1: Against. We can all agree that using a two thousand year old book written by some dude to bash certain demographics and condem them is ignorant, bigoted, and completely WRONG! Those are the ones that we see a lot. Those are typical in religions.

You can't just throw labels on entire religious demographics, nor should you just dismiss all religion as based on a "two thousand year old book written by some dude." There are more religions and different forms of religious practices than you can imagine - not every Christian has to be anti-LGBT rights, you know (I use Christian because I'm guessing that's the sect you're targeting).


Option 2: Support. There people of faith who support LGBT rights. Thank you. I appreciate it. But my question regarding this is why support something your faith has deemed immoral and sinful? Why support something your faith is so obviously against? That right there is a contradiction in religious logic (lol such an oxymoron).

Hey, hey dude. Here's a secret (it's a good one, too): Just because someone is religious doesn't mean that they actually have to, or should, follow all the laws their Bible dictates. They can follow whatever rules they want and say they still follow the religion, and believe in a God. You know why? Because the individual decides how to follow a faith - not everyone else. You make judgments and just compare everything to this stock idea of a religion in your head, which, in reality, is just as bigoted as the people who are against the equality you're apparently for.


Option 3: Neutral. These are the people who don't know, or can't decides personally I see fence sitters as the worst. Why? This:
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Wow! Someone said something and the quote's on the Internet! It must be right!!


Being neutral on something such as LGBT rights shows me that you really don't give a shit either way. While you do nothing, LGBT are constantly being discriminated against and bullied. This is why i say support me or fear me. No in between on this anymore.

Sure there's an in between. There's the "be whatever the fuck you want to be" in between and guess what, nobody fears a text post on the Internet. You can believe in all the morals and ideals you want and I encourage you to, but you shouldn't be telling people who are doing nothing to harm you are wrong and "the worst" kind of people.

[Sugaree]

This is why i say support me or fear me. No in between on this anymore.

Yes, I should fear some anonymous internet poster named "AgentHomo" because I might have a neutral opinion on LGBT rights...oh yes, I would be shaking in my boots. You're like a kitten pretending to be a lion, and it's cute.

People like you...I said it in another thread, I just don't get you. You're militant in belief that I can put you in the same crowd as the Christians who go around carrying Bibles preaching. You're just as bad, if not worse, than that. You're just as much of a bigot for trying to get others to bend to YOUR opinion as anyone else. So what gives you the right to call someone else a bigot? Foot in mouth and head up asshole, that's all I can say about people like you.

Go ahead and call me a bigot or a homophobe. I'm bisexual, I've been called way worse, trust me. I've been bullied for it, and I've seen my gay friends be bullied. As StoppingTime said, there's a clear difference between being passionate/supportive and being an all-out radical. You are the latter. You talk about bringing these so called "bigots" off their pedestals when you've put yourself on an even higher pedestal because you claim to be for equality (except, of course, for those opinions you disagree with; how funny, you progressives).

[LouBerry]

Does that Justify he view? Heck I think it's pretty degrading to the South to say that they're all against LGBT rights because some people down there are actually progressive

I don't think it really matters, honestly. Because this is a bad situation. Either way, one side is going to oppressed. If Christian morals win out, which lets be honest, they won't, then homosexuals won't get their rights and that's unconstitutional as well as unfair and cruel. But, if that side wins out, and things continue as they are, thing will get nasty for Christians quick. Like that whole ordeal about churches being sued for not allowing gay couples to get married in their church. And yes, it was an exaggeration, sure, but in general, most of the people here are very conservative. The older generations, namely.

[Aajj333]

My opionion:

Before Tuesday when i got home from work I looked up to Phil more than most people on Duck Dynasty. He had great moral values and he turned his life around from nothing to something. He raised an excelent family. He is a great hunter.

I read the interview that got him in all that trouble. He says that two people of the same sex having sex is the same as beastiality. He says that the Japanese, Nazis, Muslims, and Communist the stem of the worlds problems..... Even thought that is not anywhere near true. He also says that the reason why he voted for Romney in 2008 was that if he was lost at 3 am in a metropolitan area that he would rather be in Salt Lake City (where he says Romney is from, which he is not, further stereotyping religion) then Chicago (where Obama is from). He was ignorant of the racism going on when he was growing up.

Scratching my head. I am scratching my head even more when people are posting on Facebook and change.org to bring him back because of freedom of speech or they didn't read the actual interview. Phil successfully offended a large number of religions and races in one interview and from a financial standpoint A&E cannot continue on with Phil being their. I do not feel like the Robertson family realizes how much of a big deal it is what Phil said.

[Vlerchan]

So by your argument, it necessarily follows that everyone of faith is a bigot. I think this reveals an obvious and serious inadequacy. And you really need to stop saying faith is inherently irrational, by this you are saying it is unreasonable, and this is simply not true (first cause is just one reason).Irrational: "not endowed with reason or understanding"

I claim religion to be irrational due to it's lack of a foundation in logical thought; and the adherence it claimants make towards it despite this lack of foundation in said logical thought. (Now, I know what you're going to say, and we've been over this before: unlike you, I am not comfortable with attributing all I can not comprehend to a Divine force; I would rather wait and see than commit myself at this moment in time.) Does this make all adherents to religion bigots? Only when they are trying to push their beliefs upon me as superior.

Bigot=you.
That would imply that I'm not open to persuasion, which I am.

[UTurn]

Before I say anything, I want everyone to know that I have no problem with gay people whatsoever. I would not campaign to support them, but I will never go against them. They are doing nothing harmful to me, so I have no problem at all.

Phil Robertson has a right to freedom of speech, but he is being banned from a show because he made anti-gay comments. He is free to say whatever he wishes, but he is being punished because of this. If he had made a comment saying that he supported gays and wanted them to have rights to marriage, etc. then would he have been banned even though many people who are anti gay would be angry with him? Doubtful.

This is the same as the case with Dan Cathy. Neither man said anything directly attacking a gay person, but just said that they don't agree with homosexuality. Yet both are looked down upon because they stated their views.

Why in our society, are we punished if we state our personal beliefs against homosexuality, but are celebrated if we state that we support gays?

It's a bit illogical and no one can deny this is true..

[World Eater]

I don't care what happens to the show at this point. I've just blocked some people on my facebook since they won't shut the fuck up about it. I don't care for his opinion. It doesn't concern me one bit. He shouldn't be censored. Christians and other groups can continue to defend him all they want, and say he has free speech. That doesn't mean he can't be criticized, altho why you "progressives" and "intellectuals" want to do so is beyond me. At the end of the day, to me it's all fake and nothing more than bullshit. The suspension, the show, the people all of it. Continue wasting your time trying to prove and push your superior morals, ideas and views over the other group(s). What someone says really shouldn't bother you in the slightest.

[Harry Smith]

Before I say anything, I want everyone to know that I have no problem with gay people whatsoever. I would not campaign to support them, but I will never go against them. They are doing nothing harmful to me, so I have no problem at all.

Phil Robertson has a right to freedom of speech, but he is being banned from a show because he made anti-gay comments. He is free to say whatever he wishes, but he is being punished because of this. If he had made a comment saying that he supported gays and wanted them to have rights to marriage, etc. then would he have been banned even though many people who are anti gay would be angry with him? Doubtful.

This is the same as the case with Dan Cathy. Neither man said anything directly attacking a gay person, but just said that they don't agree with homosexuality. Yet both are looked down upon because they stated their views.

Why in our society, are we punished if we state our personal beliefs against homosexuality, but are celebrated if we state that we support gays?

It's a bit illogical and no one can deny this is true..

It's never good to see someone start a paragraph by saying I'm not against gays but...

No-one on this thread has said he doesn't have the right to freedom of speech-he quite clearly does. However like the majority of people he is employed by someone meaning he represents them. If my Dad as a Teacher said that 'all blacks should be shot' he would be sacked- it doesn't matter if someone in the school agrees with him it's still a racist thing to say.

How is anyone punished by society? I believe the whole running point of the GOP is to be against homosexuality- just look at Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee.

People tend to look unfavorably upon people who preach homosexual hate for the same reason that we look unfavorably upon people who are racist or antisemitic.

Your whole argument seems to rest on the fact that some people agree with his views-yes that is true. I'm sure some people also agree with the Holocaust and with the KKK that doesn't mean that we should encourage these views. Your whole argument seems to be based on something out of South in the 1960's regarding racism

People also tend to praise people for being pro LGBT because it shows you value something called human rights. In my opinion it's illogical that people can still be opposed to homosexuality in the 21st Century because an old book tells them to do so- people need to think with there own minds and actually make an informed decision

[Josef_]

It's never good to see someone start a paragraph by saying I'm not against gays but...

No-one on this thread has said he doesn't have the right to freedom of speech-he quite clearly does. However like the majority of people he is employed by someone meaning he represents them. If my Dad as a Teacher said that 'all blacks should be shot' he would be sacked- it doesn't matter if someone in the school agrees with him it's still a racist thing to say.

How is anyone punished by society? I believe the whole running point of the GOP is to be against homosexuality- just look at Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee.

People tend to look unfavorably upon people who preach homosexual hate for the same reason that we look unfavorably upon people who are racist or antisemitic.

Your whole argument seems to rest on the fact that some people agree with his views-yes that is true. I'm sure some people also agree with the Holocaust and with the KKK that doesn't mean that we should encourage these views. Your whole argument seems to be based on something out of South in the 1960's regarding racism

People also tend to praise people for being pro LGBT because it shows you value something called human rights. In my opinion it's illogical that people can still be opposed to homosexuality in the 21st Century because an old book tells them to do so- people need to think with there own minds and actually make an informed decision

It truly is a set back!

I agree with this completely. They are pretty much just paraphrasing what some thing in a book is telling them is wrong- they have a voice of their own.

I suck at big conversations or keeping an argument so I'm just going to say I agree you, Harry.

[Walter Powers]

How is anyone punished by society? I believe the whole running point of the GOP is to be against homosexuality- just look at Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee.


You have got to be kidding me. If you were am American, I'd say you must be living in a box. Most Republicans are very passionate about the dire future of our economy, and that's what our candidates run on. Even the leftist media says that. But since you don't live here, you get a pass.

[Harry Smith]

You have got to be kidding me. If you were am American, I'd say you must be living in a box. Most Republicans are very passionate about the dire future of our economy, and that's what our candidates run on. Even the leftist media says that. But since you don't live here, you get a pass.

Nope, I'm not kidding you. Look at Huckabee's polling in Iowa, look at Santorum's polling as well. Both these candidates are extremely popular despite the fact that neither of them are fiscally conservative. I believe people like Gringich and Santorum also ran the basis of their 2012 campaigns on being social conservatives. Whilst I'll freely admit that some republicans with an ounce of intelligence such as Rob Portman and John Mccain have actually came out in support of gay marriage a large amount of them pride themselves in not believing in equal rights. The GOP isn't derided as the God and Oil party for nothing

And please your media isn't leftist in any world- I know you like to pretend to be all Hipster and unqiue but the US media is not left wing in any world. The democrat party itself isn't even left wing

[Korashk]

Phil Robertson has a right to freedom of speech
His freedom of speech has not been infringed.

but he is being banned from a show because he made anti-gay comments.
Which is an example of the owner of that show exercising THEIR freedom of speech.

He is free to say whatever he wishes, but he is being punished because of this.
You have freedom of speech, not freedom of speech free from repercussions.

If he had made a comment saying that he supported gays and wanted them to have rights to marriage, etc. then would he have been banned even though many people who are anti gay would be angry with him? Doubtful.
Because supporting gay rights isn't an example of intolerant bigotry.

Why in our society, are we punished if we state our personal beliefs against homosexuality, but are celebrated if we state that we support gays?
Why in our society, are we punished if we state our personal, racist beliefs, but are celebrated if we state that we support equal rights for all people regardless of race?

It's a bit illogical and no one can deny this is true..
http://forum.nationstates.net/images/smilies/sm_facepalm.gif

[lil red express]

Gay people will go to hell that is what the bible says

[AgentHomo]

Gay people will go to hell that is what the bible says

Please, explain to me a logical reason why? Please entertain me with your religious ignorance.

[StoppingTime]

Gay people will go to hell that is what the bible says

Please, explain to me a logical reason why? Please entertain me with your religious ignorance.

No, we're not starting this 'debate' here. If you want to do that, make another thread, as it's off topic here

[AgentHomo]

No, we're not starting this 'debate' here. If you want to do that, make another thread, as it's off topic here

Very well. @lil red express, please create a new thread and I will debate with you there.


Phil Robertson has a right to freedom of speech,

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He has the freedom of speech to say whatever ignorant crack he wants, and I have the freedom to counter him with logic and reason.

[StoppingTime]

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He has the freedom of speech to say whatever ignorant crack he wants, and I have the freedom to counter him with logic and reason.

See, that's where what you're saying is just as bad as what he's saying. While I do agree that it's only logical that there should be equal rights, that doesn't mean it's what is universally recognized as "logical and reasonable." It means I accept it and think that - not that everyone else has to .

To him, maybe what he thinks is right is "logical and reasonable" to him.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

If people have an issue with what he said they'll stop watching the show, ratings will tank, it will go off the air.

[shotgungirl]

I agree with Phil Robertson regarding his views. I grew up in a conservative upper class Christian family located right smack dab in the Bible belt. I believe that if a homosexual does not change his ways, he will go to Hell.

And guess what? I'm allowed to say that. And you can attack me all you want for not agreeing with your lifestyle and tell me how I don't believe in "human rights" or whatever..but guess what...I'm still going to think the same.

That being said, if you are a guy and you want to marry a guy, hell go for it. I don't give a damn. But don't go jumping on people that disagree with it. I hate how much of a double standard there is today regarding LGBT issues. If a person is pro-gay they are praised to the high heavens....if they are dedicated to their religion and disagree with it, shame them to hell. It's ass backwards to me, but I guess that's why I usually keep my mouth shut on the issue.

A&E disagreed with Phil. Hey jack...they have that right, too. Do any of you really think that Phil Robertson, a millionaire that is happily married, devout in his faith, and has a loving family, gives one damn if someone doesn't like his viewpoints? Hell no. He's laughing his ass to the bank while half of the country is bitching at someone for exercising their fucking first amendment. And more power to him...

[Lovelife090994]

I personally believe that the man from Duck Dynasty said nothing wrong and that his words align to his faith. Me being a Christian like he and also believing in the Bible I can see his reasons. What I do not so is reason for the blatant disrespect to him and on this thread.

Some of you debate or not should apologize to those whom you have called, "bigoted", "irrational" and out right "homophobic". All this fighting solves nothing if both sides are blinded by either fury or misunderstanding. I myself do not wholeheartedly agree with homosexuality but I will respect and love the homosexual, bisexual, pansexual, etc. If they respect me. I understand how not many gays do indeed agree with Christianity but remeber many gays and others alike are Christian yet do not preach hate.

One thing that irks me, or two rather, how some of the LGBT are nice until God is brought up, and how slavery is compared to homosexual tribulation... Trust me, slavery in America was like Hell to the slaves, no life, freedom, property, and barely even a say or breath. Plus why the hostility to the Christian belief or disagreeing with homosexuality? We don't hate the person or group, we disagree with the sin and lifestyle but pray for the best.

Now , I do agree with the amd from Duck Dynasty, you do not ask a question and get offended by the answer and attack the person, that is bigotry. Yes you can disagree but when you ask something you honestly have no clue what will be said and even though you may not like it you should at least answer back respectfully and with civil intentions.

[Vlerchan]

I believe that if a homosexual does not change his ways, he will go to Hell.You're treating it like a sexual preference as opposed to what it really is: a sexual orientation - i.e., there's no choice involved here.

To him, maybe what he thinks is right is "logical and reasonable" to him.It's not, though. Until he provides the burden of proof (i.e., rational-backing) for why it is logical to gravitate away from the set position (all actions are equal; are individuals are equal) then his position is neither logical not reasonable. The position of pro-LGBT is both logical and reasonable on the other hand because we are making no claim but rather are merely refuting his illogical claim.

If a pro-LGBT individual started making the claim that the LGBT were superior then (s)he would be the illogical and unreasonable one.

[Harry Smith]

I believe that if a homosexual does not change his ways, he will go to Hell.



Why does a gay person have to change in order to satisfy your make believe religion?

But sure keep on following a religion which is based on two nudists eating a piece of fruit because the talking snake told them too- that sounds really logical...

[Lovelife090994]

Why does a gay person have to change in order to satisfy your make believe religion?

But sure keep on following a religion which is based on two nudists eating a piece of fruit because the talking snake told them too- that sounds really logical...

Why do you have to call his religion make believe? He is saying this, "If a man or woman lives in sin they will go to hell," in the Christian faith homosexuality is a sin no worse nor lesser than any other. It does not mean hatred. Even a Christian could end up in Hell if he or she is not living with a clear relation with God which is only where that said person and God dwell. True, you don't have to share this belief, but don't be a bad voice to the LGBT who are struggling being Christian and gay, bisexual, etc. I notice you seem to combat anyone whose opinion is unlike yours, you can if you wish but it is unbecoming and speaks loud volumes of discontempt and misunderstanding which stands to reason that you have a personal issue. Is this true? I know not. Still know that I would never hate a person nor pass judgement and condemn, and an opinion doesn't really condemn or pass judgement at everytime. Still I wish you the best and hope you stay safe and blessed, cheers!

[AgentHomo]

Why do you have to call his religion make believe? He is saying this, "If a man or woman lives in sin they will go to hell," in the Christian faith homosexuality is a sin no worse nor lesser than any other. It does not mean hatred. Even a Christian could end up in Hell if he or she is not living with a clear relation with God which is only where that said person and God dwell. True, you don't have to share this belief, but don't be a bad voice to the LGBT who are struggling being Christian and gay, bisexual, etc. I notice you seem to combat anyone whose opinion is unlike yours, you can if you wish but it is unbecoming and speaks loud volumes of discontempt and misunderstanding which stands to reason that you have a personal issue. Is this true? I know not. Still know that I would never hate a person nor pass judgement and condemn, and an opinion doesn't really condemn or pass judgement at everytime. Still I wish you the best and hope you stay safe and blessed, cheers!

Because religious belief is based on illogical ignorance of scientific fact. I don't hate anyone. But he is using his illogical belief of religion to justify his hatred toward a minority group. Homosexuality is bad because the bible said so. Well what if I believe all heterosexuals are bad because the HomoGod said so? I would be using an illogical belief to justify a hatred towards a certain demographic.

[saea97]

That being said, if you are a guy and you want to marry a guy, hell go for it. I don't give a damn. But don't go jumping on people that disagree with it. I hate how much of a double standard there is today regarding LGBT issues. If a person is pro-gay they are praised to the high heavens....if they are dedicated to their religion and disagree with it, shame them to hell. It's ass backwards to me, but I guess that's why I usually keep my mouth shut on the issue.


Do you think we, as a society, should also "not go jumping on people" who think whites are superior to blacks?

Do you think it's "ass backwards" that people who are dedicated to their racism are "shamed to hell", while those who favour equal rights for blacks and whites are "praised to the high heavens"?

guess what...I'm still going to think the same.

It's nice when people are so open-minded. The Bible Belt has a lot to answer for.

[Camazotz]

This was just an accident waiting to happen. You don't make a television series about real rednecks and not expect them to make homophobic/racist remarks in public interviews. I couldn't care less what A&E decides to do with their show, I never watched it before and I most certainly won't start just because of this fiasco. As a network, they have every right to do whatever they want with their show and that issue doesn't bother me in the slightest. The characters have every right to believe anything they want just as much as the network has every right to suspend them from the show.

[Harry Smith]

Why do you have to call his religion make believe? He is saying this, "If a man or woman lives in sin they will go to hell," in the Christian faith homosexuality is a sin no worse nor lesser than any other. It does not mean hatred. Even a Christian could end up in Hell if he or she is not living with a clear relation with God which is only where that said person and God dwell. True, you don't have to share this belief, but don't be a bad voice to the LGBT who are struggling being Christian and gay, bisexual, etc. I notice you seem to combat anyone whose opinion is unlike yours, you can if you wish but it is unbecoming and speaks loud volumes of discontempt and misunderstanding which stands to reason that you have a personal issue. Is this true? I know not. Still know that I would never hate a person nor pass judgement and condemn, and an opinion doesn't really condemn or pass judgement at everytime. Still I wish you the best and hope you stay safe and blessed, cheers!

Because there is no evidence to back up the claims of the religion along with the fact that it's laughable. It's not really misunderstanding- in the first chapter of the Old testament it states that a talking snake told to nudists to eat a piece of fruit- that alone shows how fucking stupid the Bible is.

I have a personal issue when churches campaign about against civil rights

[Marius44]

I personally think they should cancel it, but there are some who see the program as freedom of speech. It may be wrong, but he is expressing his opinions on something. However, this doesn't mean we can't completely criticise his actions.

[Lovelife090994]

Because there is no evidence to back up the claims of the religion along with the fact that it's laughable. It's not really misunderstanding- in the first chapter of the Old testament it states that a talking snake told to nudists to eat a piece of fruit- that alone shows how fucking stupid the Bible is.

I have a personal issue when churches campaign about against civil rights

Do you have any idea how blatantly bigoted that was?

Because religious belief is based on illogical ignorance of scientific fact. I don't hate anyone. But he is using his illogical belief of religion to justify his hatred toward a minority group. Homosexuality is bad because the bible said so. Well what if I believe all heterosexuals are bad because the HomoGod said so? I would be using an illogical belief to justify a hatred towards a certain demographic.

If you believe in a homosexual that damns all heterosexuals then youc an believe in that but the problem with that is that you may very well be damning the majority of the world and the animal kingdom! But besides the point, you are still insulting here. Why?

[Harry Smith]

Do you have any idea how blatantly bigoted that was?

Sure ignore the gay marriage part. well done on using the flashword Bigot... maybe you should address the idea about the talking snake but it's easier to forgot that your religion is based on bullshit. I know it's easy to call me a bigot and feel proud but please actually address my point

[darthearth]

Because religious belief is based on illogical ignorance of scientific fact.

This implies scientific fact has disproved all basis for belief in any religion. That is not true.


...... in the Christian faith homosexuality is a sin no worse nor lesser than any other.

It is not necessary for the Christian faith, nor even an expected aspect, to believe homosexuality is a sin. You can say "I am a Christian and I believe that homosexuality is a sin." But you cannot say "In the Christian faith homosexuality is a sin". This is what makes unbelievers so motivated to deride Christianity, it is statements such as this that actually are incorrect.

Because there is no evidence to back up the claims of the religion along with the fact that it's laughable. It's not really misunderstanding- in the first chapter of the Old testament it states that a talking snake told to nudists to eat a piece of fruit- that alone shows how fucking stupid the Bible is.

I have a personal issue when churches campaign about against civil rights

Just because a literal interpretation of some sections of a religious text are hard to believe, doesn't really justify the insensitive remark that it is a "make believe religion".

[Harry Smith]

Just because a literal interpretation of some sections of a religious text are hard to believe, doesn't really justify the insensitive remark that it is a "make believe religion".

Some sections? That's a bloody understatement.

All religion is Public relations- back in the 1500's they used it to wage holy war on the Muslims, back in the 1700's they used it to endorse Slavery, in the 1900's they used it to support apartheid and now in the 2000's they using it as an excuse to deny someone their rights.

It seems convenient how much the church adapts it's position to cater to the majority (within the church). In 200 years time hopefully the church will look bad and try and forget how they opposed equal rights in the same way the church forget that they endorsed holy wars and Slavery

[Lovelife090994]

Sure ignore the gay marriage part. well done on using the flashword Bigot... maybe you should address the idea about the talking snake but it's easier to forgot that your religion is based on bullshit. I know it's easy to call me a bigot and feel proud but please actually address my point

Again, all you are doing is insulting a person blindly, that is bigoted. Why on Earth do you hate Christians? What has one done to you to drive your heart into coldness and mind in lunacy? The talking snake you say? If you are familiar with Adam and Eve, Satan, who was Lucifer and angel of light betrayed God, but it wasn't enough for him and his former followers to be damned alone. When Adam and Eve were conceived three things took place, one, arguably one of God's most precious creations was given breath to share the Earth, two man had potential and power to do good or evil although Adam and Eve at first did resist the temptation to sin, and final Adam and Eve had something Satan could never have, life, power, and a chance to be with the God Almighty. Satan took form of a serpant to beguile Adam and Eve. Out of Satan's silver tongue man has been forever cursed but not damned. You see that is why so many do not like Christians in general because the True Few have two things, a chance to be with God although the invitation is open to all, and power of words and faith which only one can choose to have or resist.

When you mock a person of faith it does no good. Christians are used to persecution as well so we are not to different than homosexuals. We are often judged before we even speak and we are often ridiculed for our speech and for the book we place our very fundamentals on. I myself say let homosexuals and the like live as they are, God will let us all live but all actions have consequence. You want gays to be accepted right? Well how does it make gays look when many are like you, combative and hateful to anyone who disagrees and to anyone who is of a god or God himself? It is shameful to be honest but clearly you do not see it yet although I do not expect your eyes to see it. There is much I must learn myself but much you also will learn, intime we shall see for this is not about who is right or wrong.
I pray you have the love and care you so desperately desire for I would like that as well, but in the meantime, grow a heart, be inspirational. Don't be that one person who tries to tear down and be a hypocrite of speech. Disagree when needed, agree when wanted, but never attack or generalize a person when you have no clue about them.

Yes this is long, but I only pray you hear it and understand. I mean you no harm nor do I wish to argue. In fact after this our conversation shall cease because after I saw what you have done to my friend on this thread you are clearly hopeless. You said things to her no one should see. But fare well, God Bless you just the same.



It is not necessary for the Christian faith, nor even an expected aspect, to believe homosexuality is a sin. You can say "I am a Christian and I believe that homosexuality is a sin." But you cannot say "In the Christian faith homosexuality is a sin". This is what makes unbelievers so motivated to deride Christianity, it is statements such as this that actually are incorrect.



Sin is sin, homosexuality is one of many, no identifying sin is not all Christianity is but as a Christian one is supposed to try and resist sin and to warn those who are in it for better or worse. Of course the main goal of a Christian is to be with God, nothing more or less there either, but not to stay silent on what is isn't right when asked.

Some sections? That's a bloody understatement.

All religion is Public relations- back in the 1500's they used it to wage holy war on the Muslims, back in the 1700's they used it to endorse Slavery, in the 1900's they used it to support apartheid and now in the 2000's they using it as an excuse to deny someone their rights.

It seems convenient how much the church adapts it's position to cater to the majority (within the church). In 200 years time hopefully the church will look bad and try and forget how they opposed equal rights in the same way the church forget that they endorsed holy wars and Slavery

Are you sure? Religion as a whole predates the 1500s.

[AgentHomo]

Again, all you are doing is insulting a person blindly, that is bigoted. Why on Earth do you hate Christians? What has one done to you to drive your heart into coldness and mind in lunacy?

I will also answer this, because for some reason your stupid religion believes us homosexuals are not worthy to live as equals. That we are abomination, disgusting beings of your imaginary being's work. And because of this, us in the LGBT community have been discriminated, tottered, even killed in the name of your so called god. Why else does it look like we are trying to fight religious bigotry, homophobia, and ignorant hate? Speaking of hate, I don't hate religious people, but I hate the fact religious people are ignorant to scientific fact, and use some 2,000 year old paraphrased writing to possibly justify your bigotry against LGBT.

[PinkFloyd]

I agree with you. The show would get shut down right away if he started making extremely racist remarks. The same should apply for homophobia in my opinion.

I will also answer this, because for some reason your stupid religion believes us homosexuals are not worthy to live as equals. That we are abomination, disgusting beings of your imaginary being's work. And because of this, us in the LGBT community have been discriminated, tottered, even killed in the name of your so called god. Why else does it look like we are trying to fight religious bigotry, homophobia, and ignorant hate? Speaking of hate, I don't hate religious people, but I hate the fact religious people are ignorant to scientific fact, and use some 2,000 year old paraphrased writing to possibly justify your bigotry against LGBT.

As an agnostic within a Christian family, not all Christians are homophobic. In fact, the Christian teachings are to accept everyone for who they are. Look at Pope Francis. He is very accepting to the LGBT community.

[StoppingTime]

I will also answer this, because for some reason your stupid religion

Dude I don't know any other way to say this: You really need to calm down and chill out and realize that religion isn't the most terrible thing to grace the planet. Aight?


believes us homosexuals are not worthy to live as equals.

Lovely, now here's something interesting: Not all religious people believe that, crazy right!??!11?!?!?!


That we are abomination, disgusting beings of your imaginary being's work.

*looks for where anyone in this thread said that*
Hmm, no results...oh.


And because of this, us in the LGBT community have been discriminated, tottered, even killed in the name of your so called god.

Right...so anyone who follows a religion must support them. Aren't you on a roll.


Why else does it look like we

You stop that, stop that now. Don't go grouping all pro-LGBT individuals into your "I fucking hate religion and everyone and all it stands for" group.


are trying to fight religious bigotry, homophobia, and ignorant hate?

Again, such fighting words on an internet forum....why?


Speaking of hate, I don't hate religious people,

Is someone else writing your posts then?


but I hate the fact religious people are ignorant to scientific fact, and use some 2,000 year old paraphrased writing to possibly justify your bigotry against LGBT.

Okay, fucking. stop. now. Honestly, sit down, and think about what you said.

You just said religious people (meaning all religious people as you didn't specify otherwise) are ignorant to scientific fact.

You just said all religious people use "some 2,000 year old paraphrased writing to..."

You just said all religious people use said book to justify the "bigotry against LGBT."


do you see what I'm getting at yet

[Lovelife090994]

I will also answer this, because for some reason your stupid religion believes us homosexuals are not worthy to live as equals. That we are abomination, disgusting beings of your imaginary being's work. And because of this, us in the LGBT community have been discriminated, tottered, even killed in the name of your so called god. Why else does it look like we are trying to fight religious bigotry, homophobia, and ignorant hate? Speaking of hate, I don't hate religious people, but I hate the fact religious people are ignorant to scientific fact, and use some 2,000 year old paraphrased writing to possibly justify your bigotry against LGBT.

Dude, quit the insults! You are so primitive!

[saea97]

Again, all you are doing is insulting a person blindly, that is bigoted. Why on Earth do you hate Christians? What has one done to you to drive your heart into coldness and mind in lunacy? The talking snake you say? If you are familiar with Adam and Eve, Satan, who was Lucifer and angel of light betrayed God, but it wasn't enough for him and his former followers to be damned alone. When Adam and Eve were conceived three things took place, one, arguably one of God's most precious creations was given breath to share the Earth, two man had potential and power to do good or evil although Adam and Eve at first did resist the temptation to sin, and final Adam and Eve had something Satan could never have, life, power, and a chance to be with the God Almighty. Satan took form of a serpant to beguile Adam and Eve. Out of Satan's silver tongue man has been forever cursed but not damned. You see that is why so many do not like Christians in general because the True Few have two things, a chance to be with God although the invitation is open to all, and power of words and faith which only one can choose to have or resist.

What does any of this even mean?

When you mock a person of faith it does no good. Christians are used to persecution as well so we are not to different than homosexuals.

Oh yeah, Christians are so badly persecuted. It's not like the Church was one of the premier world powers for the best part of 15 centuries, most of which it spent as the oppressor.

We are often judged before we even speak and we are often ridiculed for our speech and for the book we place our very fundamentals on.

The book really doesn't do itself any favours in the "inviting ridicule" department.

You want gays to be accepted right? Well how does it make gays look when many are like you, combative and hateful to anyone who disagrees and to anyone who is of a god or God himself? It is shameful to be honest but clearly you do not see it yet although I do not expect your eyes to see it.

Homosexuality is not about being combative or hateful, it's about loving someone that's the same gender. The hatred of bigotry is sadly a necessary factor as long as bigots exist. I will argue vehemently against those who are anti-gay because that's how debating works. I don't agree that we should "live and let live" when there's a hugely substantial, well-financed, usually religious lobby that is actively trying to take away my rights.

Don't be that one person who tries to tear down and be a hypocrite of speech. Disagree when needed, agree when wanted, but never attack or generalize a person when you have no clue about them.

As long as a religious lobby exists to oppose gay equality, religion will deserve to be undermined. I reserve that right and I will not be suppressed by any personal offence you take. This is a debate which affects one of the core elements of my life.


Sin is sin, homosexuality is one of many


WHY? Why is it so? "Because my book says so" is not conducive to debate. You're always about the personal offence you take from the Bible being undermined, but the undermining happens because you never justify the REASON that homosexuality is a sin. And deep down that's the frustration that I, as a gay person, have with the religious community.

[StoppingTime]

Oh yeah, Christians are so badly persecuted. It's not like the Church was one of the premier world powers for the best part of 15 centuries, most of which it spent as the oppressor.

There's no reason to play the "we are persecuted more" game. It's stupid and irrelevant.


The book really doesn't do itself any favours in the "inviting ridicule" department.


I'm not even Christian and what you're saying is wrong. Not all Christians or believers of any faith have to follow the writings of their texts to the letter.


Homosexuality is not about being combative or hateful,


I don't believe anyone said it was.

The hatred of bigotry is sadly a necessary factor as long as bigots exist.

Hey guys! LOOK! I'm going to fight fire with fire and it will all go away!!1!1


I will argue vehemently against those who are anti-gay because that's how debating works.

No, because all you, and most other people in this thread have done is say that LGBT people must be accepted (and I agree), or you're an idiot if you think otherwise. Debating isn't "I'm just going to say the same thing over and over until you either stop replying or give in," which is why debating religion is meaningless and nobody ever wins.


As long as a religious lobby exists to oppose gay equality, religion will deserve to be undermined.

lolno. You can't go around "undermining" every religious person of every faith because some of them are doing things you don't agree with.


WHY? Why is it so? "Because my book says so" is not conducive to debate.

Oh but it is. You know why? Because he's not debating it, he's stating it. The Bible, (in this case the Old Testament, I'm assuming) says that (well, as you apparently believe without question because all you read is the literal English) it's a sin. In Christianity, if the Bible says something's a sin, guess what dude, it's a sin according to that religion. Now get over it.


You're always about the personal offence you take from the Bible being undermined, but the undermining happens because you never justify the REASON that homosexuality is a sin.

Yet the person you're talking do isn't doing a thing to deny you of your rights; they're discussing their religion, so what you just said is meaningless.

[rogoshtalmour]

Because religious belief is based on illogical ignorance of scientific fact. I don't hate anyone. But he is using his illogical belief of religion to justify his hatred toward a minority group. Homosexuality is bad because the bible said so. Well what if I believe all heterosexuals are bad because the HomoGod said so? I would be using an illogical belief to justify a hatred towards a certain demographic.

Either way shouldn't both sides have the right to voice their beliefs? Whether their beliefs are wrong or right? Or are you a fan of Hitler and Stalin that tried and in many cases did Stamp out free speech?

In addition I really thin this whole issue is overblown. Basically people are getting upset because the comments he made hurt their feelings. Meanwhile loads of people are being murdered in places like Syria and the media is barely covering it and all anyone can talk about is this duck dynasty crap that doesn't really have a lasting effect on the world.

[Guillermo]

I really don't think a majority of you understand this thread. Ultimately, it's not about religion - it's about freedom of speech and how both parties can exercise it. Phil most definitely had the right to say what he said, however, A&E also has the right to kick him off or cancel the show (not really sure which one they wanted to do but I could care less). It's not really about "Oh but I totally support his beliefs!" or "T.V shows should distance themselves from this homophobic man!" It's about rights and how they can be expressed on both ends.

[saea97]

Hey guys! LOOK! I'm going to fight fire with fire and it will all go away!!1!1


You're right. I should just roll over and LET certain people trample all over my rights and compare what I do and who I love to bestiality. My mistake.


No, because all you, and most other people in this thread have done is say that LGBT people must be accepted (and I agree), or you're an idiot if you think otherwise. Debating isn't "I'm just going to say the same thing over and over until you either stop replying or give in," which is why debating religion is meaningless and nobody ever wins.

The arguments for LGBT equality are simple, implicit and have been stated and ignored. I deserve equal rights to a straight person.


lolno. You can't go around "undermining" every religious person of every faith because some of them are doing things you don't agree with.

Why is it that I can't hypothetically advance an objective argument for religion being false if religion is being used to deny me my rights? The fact that merely SOME people are culpable is supremely irrelevant. I support everyone's right to hold whatever belief they hold but you can be damned sure I'm going to debate them on the merits of said belief if they're talking about how my lifestyle is a sin.


Oh but it is. You know why? Because he's not debating it, he's stating it. The Bible, (in this case the Old Testament, I'm assuming) says that (well, as you apparently believe without question because all you read is the literal English) it's a sin. In Christianity, if the Bible says something's a sin, guess what dude, it's a sin according to that religion. Now get over it.

"According to my religion homosexuality is a sin" means literally nothing and holds absolutely no sway in a debate unless the religion itself stands up to scrutiny. I thought maybe he'd want to objectively back up the correctness of his religion, which is why I made that comment.



Yet the person you're talking do isn't doing a thing to deny you of your rights; they're discussing their religion, so what you just said is meaningless.

Discuss away. Just don't expect your arguments to hold any water if all you have is "my religion says x therefore x".

[StoppingTime]

Tbh I'm not even sure why I'm replying but


You're right. I should just roll over and LET certain people trample all over my rights and compare what I do and who I love to bestiality. My mistake.

You know what? As people mentioned throughout this thread, this guy can say whatever he wants and there's fuck all you can do about it. I don't think he cares what anyone else thinks, and that's the point. You're sitting here debating the opinion of a man who holds literally no power to change anything related to the legality of gay marriage, relationships, or whatever. So what's the point.



The arguments for LGBT equality are simple, implicit and have been stated and ignored. I deserve equal rights to a straight person.

Obviously you do. And Phil(?) isn't denying you that...in fact he did nothing but say what he believes.


Why is it that I can't hypothetically advance an objective argument for religion being false if religion is being used to deny me my rights?

Because in the context and topic of this thread (Duck Dynasty) your rights aren't being denied by anyone.


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That's it I'm done, there no longer a point in arguing with people who sincerely believe that someone on a TV series is denying them of their rights.

[saea97]

That's it I'm done, there no longer a point in arguing with people who sincerely believe that someone on a TV series is denying them of their rights.

Are you ignoring or do you just not see what opinions of popular celebrities like this represent? It illustrates how far the LGBT community has yet to strive to achieve equality. It provides a figurehead for a lot of people with similarly ugly views. You know what that leads to? Lobbies. I support free speech, but of course I don't want homophobia to be accepted in society just like I don't want racism to be - and comments like this normalize and validate homophobia in the minds of some people. Phil's comments may not directly be denying me of my rights (and please show me where the hell I said that) but it's not going to have no impact at all.

[AgentHomo]

As long as a religious lobby exists to oppose gay equality, religion will deserve to be undermined. I reserve that right and I will not be suppressed by any personal offence you take. This is a debate which affects one of the core elements of my life.

I totally agree to this. As long as there is an entity such as religion that will deny the equal rights of not only LGBT, but other minority demographics, it deserves to be undermined and opposed.

Tbh I'm not even sure why I'm replying but


You know what? As people mentioned throughout this thread, this guy can say whatever he wants and there's fuck all you can do about it. I don't think he cares what anyone else thinks, and that's the point. You're sitting here debating the opinion of a man who holds literally no power to change anything related to the legality of gay marriage, relationships, or whatever. So what's the point.




Obviously you do. And Phil(?) isn't denying you that...in fact he did nothing but say what he believes.



Because in the context and topic of this thread (Duck Dynasty) your rights aren't being denied by anyone.


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That's it I'm done, there no longer a point in arguing with people who sincerely believe that someone on a TV series is denying them of their rights.

I'm going to be quite honest here, and be a little more polite than earlier posts, but yes, the Duck Die-nasty guy is denying my right. They agree that homosexuality is a sin and therefore I do not have equal rights. That, in my honest opinion, is denying me the right to equal freedom.

[World Eater]

...I still don't see why, what he said matters to any of you. It's pointless.

[johndoe1112]

you people know he stands by many american i don't agree what he said but that's not my opinion and he has the right to believe what he wants to believe because that is why we live in america and we have the first amendment we most of us do

[darthearth]

Sin is sin, homosexuality is one of many, no identifying sin is not all Christianity is but as a Christian one is supposed to try and resist sin and to warn those who are in it for better or worse. Of course the main goal of a Christian is to be with God, nothing more or less there either, but not to stay silent on what is isn't right when asked.



In Christianity, if the Bible says something's a sin, guess what dude, it's a sin according to that religion. Now get over it.



You both are confusing infallible text dogma with Christian theological necessity. It is NOT a necessity in the Christian religion to interpret the Bible as God's infallible word. This is a DOGMA begun by the CATHOLIC CHURCH back in the 4th century. It is 100% completely and entirely WRONG to claim homosexuality is necessarily a sin just because the Bible says so. That view is NOT a necessary part of the Christian faith. I am a Christian and I judge sin based only on the commandments of loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself. These were the commandments of Jesus that I follow, why? Because they make logical sense. Homosexuality does not transgress either of these commandments, therefore it is most definitely NOT sinful in my Christian view.

I actually AGREE WITH SAMUEL for like the FIRST TIME EVER lol. Christians should give logical reasons why things are sinful not throw an ancient book out attempting to claim it is sufficient justification. Mindlessly throwing a book does huge damage to a faith that is supposed to be based on discernment guided by a living spirit, not the regurgitation of words on a page. No wonder the unbelievers are so vehement, in many ways I completely understand their "frustration" and don't blame them for their exasperation.

[StoppingTime]

Well of course it isn't necessarily one, but, as it seems, the majority of the Christian population treats it as one. What you said above illustrated my earlier point in saying that it's ridiculous to 'undermine all religion' because there are plenty of people who follow a religion and don't believe what the Bible says to the letter.

[Celtic.]

Never watched it but I heard he said Gay people are like terrorist. That was kinda too far. but just take him off not cancel it. hell let people have there own opinions no matter how terrible they are

[Sugaree]

Do you think we, as a society, should also "not go jumping on people" who think whites are superior to blacks?

Superior in what way, though? That's what you can ask them instead of jumping down their throats as a collective whole. This is the problem with a society stuck in groupthink (to use an Orwellian term). "You think the way WE want you to think or suffer the consequences for the rest of your life!" is not the way to go about "debating".

It's nice when people are so open-minded. The Bible Belt has a lot to answer for.

The Bible Belt has nothing to answer for. What invariable wrong have they personally done to YOU that they have to "answer for" to make you shut up?

I will also answer this, because for some reason your stupid religion believes us homosexuals are not worthy to live as equals. That we are abomination, disgusting beings of your imaginary being's work. And because of this, us in the LGBT community have been discriminated, tottered, even killed in the name of your so called god. Why else does it look like we are trying to fight religious bigotry, homophobia, and ignorant hate? Speaking of hate, I don't hate religious people, but I hate the fact religious people are ignorant to scientific fact, and use some 2,000 year old paraphrased writing to possibly justify your bigotry against LGBT.

I like how you ignored my last post directed towards you, as if it didn't even exist, so I do sincerely hope you don't ignore me again! You're on a roll with making assumptions about religious people. "ONE religious person out of TEN hates me, so that must mean ALL religious people hate me because I'm gay!" No, that's not how it works you dingus. I also like how you substitute the world "religion" for "Christianity", as if the two are somehow interchangeable when they aren't. Christianity is a religion, yes, but not all religion is Christianity. There are many world religions that are more than welcoming and accepting of homosexuality, even many Christians who are like that.

"B-b-b-b-b-but....YOU CAN'T BELIEVE IN HOMOSEXUALITY IF YOU'RE CHRISTIAN! THE BIBLE SAYS-"

I don't give a shit what you think the Bible says. The Bible is open to individual interpretation and YOUR interpretation is YOUR interpretation. I find it to be the wrong interpretation because you take it so literal, but that's for another thread at another time. Bottom line: I took four years of Catechism in high school. As long as you believe in the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that is, that Christ is the Son of God, born of a virgin, died on a cross, and rose from the dead in order to redeem the world in the eyes of his Father, then you have nothing to worry about. Whatever other opinion you hold is YOUR opinion, not personally condoned by the Church itself, whether you base it on religious belief or not is your choice. So if you're going to continue spewing bullshit, I suggest you learn first before you do, son.


Oh yeah, Christians are so badly persecuted.

What is The Burning of Rome. What is the Stoning of Stephen (which started the persecution of Christians in all of Rome BY LAW). What is the Reformation (where Protestants openly attacked Christians on the streets). What is the banning of Christianity in China for the better part of the 17th and 18th centuries. What is the Soviet Union. What is North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Maldives, Mali, Iran, Yemen, and Eritrea, all of which have some form of law that is discriminatory against Christians.

Do I need to go on or do you just not care? Oh right, you don't care. Unless it's a gay kid getting beaten and burned to death, you won't. But if it's a Christian, that's ok, he was a Christian, he probably deserved it according to you.

[quote]Homosexuality is not about being combative or hateful, it's about loving someone that's the same gender[quote]

Homosexuality, in and of itself, isn't ABOUT anything. If it wasn't about being combative or hateful, then why are you and AgentHomo so hateful of ALL Christians? Pot, meet kettle.

[AgentHomo]

Yes, I should fear some anonymous internet poster named "AgentHomo" because I might have a neutral opinion on LGBT rights...oh yes, I would be shaking in my boots. You're like a kitten pretending to be a lion, and it's cute.

People like you...I said it in another thread, I just don't get you. You're militant in belief that I can put you in the same crowd as the Christians who go around carrying Bibles preaching. You're just as bad, if not worse, than that. You're just as much of a bigot for trying to get others to bend to YOUR opinion as anyone else. So what gives you the right to call someone else a bigot? Foot in mouth and head up asshole, that's all I can say about people like you.

Go ahead and call me a bigot or a homophobe. I'm bisexual, I've been called way worse, trust me. I've been bullied for it, and I've seen my gay friends be bullied. As StoppingTime said, there's a clear difference between being passionate/supportive and being an all-out radical. You are the latter. You talk about bringing these so called "bigots" off their pedestals when you've put yourself on an even higher pedestal because you claim to be for equality (except, of course, for those opinions you disagree with; how funny, you progressives).

To start with, and I mean to paraphrase my favorite movie V for Vendetta, it's not the man you should fear, but it is the idea. So yes, you don't have the fear some person on the internet, but you sure as damn well fear the idea that equality is coming and nothing can stop it.

How can you say you would support the LGBT cause and then support the oppression. That's like saying you support the Jews in the Holocaust but you also support Hitler's cause. You see what I mean? This a war and either people pick the side of the oppressors or the side that will win.

I'm not saying all Christians, people of other religions, or those who support them are bigots, but their idea of using such illogical statements such as in the bible to oppress and deny the rights of a minority group that have been killed in the name of so called gods, that is the idea of ignorant homophobic hate and bigotry. And apparently a majority of people in the religious faith uphold that idea. Sure, there are people in religious faith who support LGBT rights, but then again why support Jews when you are furthering Hitler's cause?

The Bible Belt has nothing to answer for. What invariable wrong have they personally done to YOU that they have to "answer for" to make you shut up?
Are you fuckin kidding me? The Bible Belt has nothing to answer for? Do you even realize the contrast in demographics? In LGBT friendly places, teens are safe from discrimination. If a teen who is unfortunate to be living in the Bible Belt come out as LGBT they would be discriminated and bullied to suicide. And this happens A LOT in that certain region of the country. So...the Bible Belt has EVERYTHING to answer for. Because their actions and words mean to deny the basic rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for a demographic just because it is a "sin" of an illogical belief system.

I like how you ignored my last post directed towards you, as if it didn't even exist, so I do sincerely hope you don't ignore me again! You're on a roll with making assumptions about religious people. "ONE religious person out of TEN hates me, so that must mean ALL religious people hate me because I'm gay!" No, that's not how it works you dingus. I also like how you substitute the world "religion" for "Christianity", as if the two are somehow interchangeable when they aren't. Christianity is a religion, yes, but not all religion is Christianity. There are many world religions that are more than welcoming and accepting of homosexuality, even many Christians who are like that.

"B-b-b-b-b-but....YOU CAN'T BELIEVE IN HOMOSEXUALITY IF YOU'RE CHRISTIAN! THE BIBLE SAYS-"

I don't give a shit what you think the Bible says. The Bible is open to individual interpretation and YOUR interpretation is YOUR interpretation. I find it to be the wrong interpretation because you take it so literal, but that's for another thread at another time. Bottom line: I took four years of Catechism in high school. As long as you believe in the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that is, that Christ is the Son of God, born of a virgin, died on a cross, and rose from the dead in order to redeem the world in the eyes of his Father, then you have nothing to worry about. Whatever other opinion you hold is YOUR opinion, not personally condoned by the Church itself, whether you base it on religious belief or not is your choice. So if you're going to continue spewing bullshit, I suggest you learn first before you do, son.



What is The Burning of Rome. What is the Stoning of Stephen (which started the persecution of Christians in all of Rome BY LAW). What is the Reformation (where Protestants openly attacked Christians on the streets). What is the banning of Christianity in China for the better part of the 17th and 18th centuries. What is the Soviet Union. What is North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Maldives, Mali, Iran, Yemen, and Eritrea, all of which have some form of law that is discriminatory against Christians.

Do I need to go on or do you just not care? Oh right, you don't care. Unless it's a gay kid getting beaten and burned to death, you won't. But if it's a Christian, that's ok, he was a Christian, he probably deserved it according to you.

Homosexuality, in and of itself, isn't ABOUT anything. If it wasn't about being combative or hateful, then why are you and AgentHomo so hateful of ALL Christians? Pot, meet kettle.

What about the Dark Ages, Crusades, Revolution War, Civil War, World War II, 9/11, the resulting Afghanistan and Iraq Wars were all caused by some form of religion. And I'm pretty sure the list is much larger than that.

Why am I and Sam being so combative? Because it is our fuckin rights to be who we want to be on the line! When a person or group of people believe that the LGBT community don't have rights to equality, I take it personal. So this war is not only on a much bigger scale but on a personal scale as well.

Please watch this (http://youtu.be/CnOJgDW0gPI) and you will understand how us in the community feel on a DAILY basis! Now imagine the roles being reversed and us doing that to the straight minority EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN DAY! And why do people think our agenda is to abolish all religion and be superior than straights? Yes I would love to see religion be abolished, but I will stop fighting when it comes to the point that LGBT all over the world has gained equality and freedom from discrimination. Until then, I won't stop.

[StoppingTime]

To start with, and I mean to paraphrase my favorite movie V for Vendetta, it's not the man you should fear, but it is the idea. So yes, you don't have the fear some person on the internet, but you sure as damn well fear the idea that equality is coming and nothing can stop it.


*That moment when you seem to fail to understand that myself, Dakota, and probably everyone else in this thread agree with the fact that there should be equality* but the difference is that we're not blaming entire groups of people over something they have nothing to do with.



Are you fuckin kidding me? The Bible Belt has nothing to answer for? Do you even realize the contrast in demographics? In LGBT friendly places, teens are safe from discrimination. If a teen who is unfortunate to be living in the Bible Belt come out as LGBT they would be discriminated and bullied to suicide.

Newsflash: While I entirely agree that in some places this might be the case, the entire "Bible Belt" is not like this, so to make such an overgeneralization is
ridiculous.


And this happens A LOT in that certain region of the country. So...the Bible Belt has EVERYTHING to answer for. Because their actions and words mean to deny the basic rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for a demographic just because it is a "sin" of an illogical belief system.

Please stop irrelevantly quoting things, it's not helping your argument.
Also do you have any sources to back up what you've said at all?


What about the Dark Ages, Crusades, Revolution War, Civil War, World War II, 9/11, the resulting Afghanistan and Iraq Wars were all caused by some form of religion. And I'm pretty sure the list is much larger than that.

If you're going to start a war on religion (lululul) do it in a different thread please.


Why am I and Sam being so combative?

All you two are doing is grouping all religious people together in the "I hate gay people" group and it makes your argument look deplorable and ridiculous.


Because it is our fuckin rights to be who we want to be on the line! When a person or group of people believe that the LGBT community don't have rights to equality, I take it personal. So this war is not only on a much bigger scale but on a personal scale as well.

Until you realize that the entirety of the religious community isn't out to get you, I don't understand why you even reply to this thread.


Now imagine the roles being reversed and us doing that to the straight minority EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN DAY!And why do people think our agenda is to abolish all religion and be superior than straights? Yes I would love to see religion be abolished, but I will stop fighting when it comes to the point that LGBT all over the world has gained equality and freedom from discrimination. Until then, I won't stop.



>wants equality
>wants to abolish religion


ok

[World Eater]

Are you fuckin kidding me? The Bible Belt has nothing to answer for? Do you even realize the contrast in demographics? In LGBT friendly places, teens are safe from discrimination. If a teen who is unfortunate to be living in the Bible Belt come out as LGBT they would be discriminated and bullied to suicide. And this happens A LOT in that certain region of the country. So...the Bible Belt has EVERYTHING to answer for. Because their actions and words mean to deny the basic rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for a demographic just because it is a "sin" of an illogical belief system.

I happen to live in the Bible Belt, and I haven't been bullied at all. The people here are intelligent and peaceful. I'm not saying that people haven't been bullied here. But a lot of the LGBT teens that I've met in my state, haven't been bullied. Those that are religious...they aren't denying me my rights. They don't go out in public and say that gays will burn in hell. They keep to themselves.

So no, the Bible Belt has nothing to answer. In your opinion, but not mine. Christians don't deserve to be persecuted. Neither do gays, blacks, Latinos, Asians, whites, racists, atheists, Muslims... and most importantly, those who have free speech. Which is what Phil Robertson has. How his or anyone elses beliefs or opinions affect you...I simply do not see.

[Sugaree]

To start with, and I mean to paraphrase my favorite movie V for Vendetta, it's not the man you should fear, but it is the idea. So yes, you don't have the fear some person on the internet, but you sure as damn well fear the idea that equality is coming and nothing can stop it.

As StoppingTime said, you have YET to realize that both of us are for the idea of equality. I have a boyfriend, I want to marry him at some point in the future. But that's a long way off. I don't fear the idea of equality, nor do I fear any idea that I come across. To imply that I do, or better yet, to imply that I SHOULD fear it, is absurd. What I DO fear is people like YOU going into power and persecuting based on religious belief.

How can you say you would support the LGBT cause and then support the oppression. That's like saying you support the Jews in the Holocaust but you also support Hitler's cause. You see what I mean? This a war and either people pick the side of the oppressors or the side that will win.

Lol...a war. How cute, you're a social justice warrior after all. Not that I couldn't already tell. Please, point to me where I said I support the oppression of LGBT? Because, looking back, I sure as hell don't see where, in any of my posts, I said that specifically. Nor did I imply it. There is no war to fight, there is no battles to plan; get the idea out of your head and get your head out of your ass.

I'm not saying all Christians, people of other religions, or those who support them are bigots, but their idea of using such illogical statements such as in the bible to oppress and deny the rights of a minority group that have been killed in the name of so called gods, that is the idea of ignorant homophobic hate and bigotry. And apparently a majority of people in the religious faith uphold that idea. Sure, there are people in religious faith who support LGBT rights, but then again why support Jews when you are furthering Hitler's cause?

Yet, in this entire thread, you've singled out Christians as the sole cause to your problem of not being seen as equal in the eyes of the law. So what is it? Are you gonna sit there, in your armchair, and be a little social justice warrior "activist" and call me a hypocrite when YOU'RE being the hypocrite? Oh yeah, you're not blaming Christians at all...except when you're blaming Christians for all your problems.

Are you fuckin kidding me? The Bible Belt has nothing to answer for? Do you even realize the contrast in demographics? In LGBT friendly places, teens are safe from discrimination. If a teen who is unfortunate to be living in the Bible Belt come out as LGBT they would be discriminated and bullied to suicide. And this happens A LOT in that certain region of the country. So...the Bible Belt has EVERYTHING to answer for. Because their actions and words mean to deny the basic rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for a demographic just because it is a "sin" of an illogical belief system.

LOL! This has got to be the best part of your post. Demographics don't mean shit in today's world, are you THAT naive? I guess you are. Of course an LGBT youth MIGHT be discriminated and/or bullied in an area that is high religious, but, then again, they might NOT be. As I said earlier, people have personal opinions that will always differ with what their religion teaches. You have yet to comprehend this, and until you actually admit that in this thread, I will keep repeating it until you do.

What about the Dark Ages, Crusades, Revolution War, Civil War, World War II, 9/11, the resulting Afghanistan and Iraq Wars were all caused by some form of religion. And I'm pretty sure the list is much larger than that.

>Revolutionary War
>caused by religion

Jesus Christ, read a fucking history book, would you? Your credibility just went from 0 to -10 with that.

Why am I and Sam being so combative?

Because you're entitled.

Because it is our fuckin rights to be who we want to be on the line! When a person or group of people believe that the LGBT community don't have rights to equality, I take it personal. So this war is not only on a much bigger scale but on a personal scale as well.

Well, whattaya know! I was right! You ARE entitled! "It's my RIGHT to be combative!" No, it's not. You have no right to be combative with anyone. You REALLY - and I mean REALLY - expect to get equal treatment when you scream, shout, and wave your fists in a threatening way at people who have done nothing to harm you personally? Wow, this generation is just a fucking piece of fucking work.

Please watch this (http://youtu.be/CnOJgDW0gPI) and you will understand how us in the community feel on a DAILY basis! Now imagine the roles being reversed and us doing that to the straight minority EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN DAY! And why do people think our agenda is to abolish all religion and be superior than straights? Yes I would love to see religion be abolished, but I will stop fighting when it comes to the point that LGBT all over the world has gained equality and freedom from discrimination. Until then, I won't stop.[/QUOTE]

First off, don't say "us". That implies I'm included in your little world of the LGBT. I'm almost ashamed to admit I'm bisexual because of people like you, and I very damn well should be. People like you make me embarrassed to be part of a movement, I feel, has good intentions, but shitty members. Yeah, I have no doubt that there are LGBT people right now that are going through hell, and I send them every single best wish in my being; but you? I'm not sure you actually care. Have you ever done counseling services with these youth? Have you ever sat down, sometimes for five or six hours in a day, with multiple teens, as they pour out every inch of their soul to you? I'm going to bet that the answer is no. So until you show me that you've seen, first hand, the suffering the community has undergone, and not through some video on youtube or a story on CNN, THEN you can come to me and bitch.

[AgentHomo]

Jesus Christ, read a fucking history book, would you? Your credibility just went from 0 to -10 with that.

Credibility means nothing to me. And I am quite well informed in history as well as other relevant subjects. And oh yes, even in *OMG* the Bible and I am planning on studying the Quran once I become well educated in Arabic. Why? I believe you guess why. Much like a critic watches a movie.

As StoppingTime said, you have YET to realize that both of us are for the idea of equality. I have a boyfriend, I want to marry him at some point in the future. But that's a long way off. I don't fear the idea of equality, nor do I fear any idea that I come across. To imply that I do, or better yet, to imply that I SHOULD fear it, is absurd. What I DO fear is people like YOU going into power and persecuting based on religious belief.



Lol...a war. How cute, you're a social justice warrior after all. Not that I couldn't already tell. Please, point to me where I said I support the oppression of LGBT? Because, looking back, I sure as hell don't see where, in any of my posts, I said that specifically. Nor did I imply it. There is no war to fight, there is no battles to plan; get the idea out of your head and get your head out of your ass.



Yet, in this entire thread, you've singled out Christians as the sole cause to your problem of not being seen as equal in the eyes of the law. So what is it? Are you gonna sit there, in your armchair, and be a little social justice warrior "activist" and call me a hypocrite when YOU'RE being the hypocrite? Oh yeah, you're not blaming Christians at all...except when you're blaming Christians for all your problems.



LOL! This has got to be the best part of your post. Demographics don't mean shit in today's world, are you THAT naive? I guess you are. Of course an LGBT youth MIGHT be discriminated and/or bullied in an area that is high religious, but, then again, they might NOT be. As I said earlier, people have personal opinions that will always differ with what their religion teaches. You have yet to comprehend this, and until you actually admit that in this thread, I will keep repeating it until you do.



>Revolutionary War
>caused by religion

Jesus Christ, read a fucking history book, would you? Your credibility just went from 0 to -10 with that.



Because you're entitled.



Well, whattaya know! I was right! You ARE entitled! "It's my RIGHT to be combative!" No, it's not. You have no right to be combative with anyone. You REALLY - and I mean REALLY - expect to get equal treatment when you scream, shout, and wave your fists in a threatening way at people who have done nothing to harm you personally? Wow, this generation is just a fucking piece of fucking work.

Please watch this (http://youtu.be/CnOJgDW0gPI) and you will understand how us in the community feel on a DAILY basis! Now imagine the roles being reversed and us doing that to the straight minority EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN DAY! And why do people think our agenda is to abolish all religion and be superior than straights? Yes I would love to see religion be abolished, but I will stop fighting when it comes to the point that LGBT all over the world has gained equality and freedom from discrimination. Until then, I won't stop.

First off, don't say "us". That implies I'm included in your little world of the LGBT. I'm almost ashamed to admit I'm bisexual because of people like you, and I very damn well should be. People like you make me embarrassed to be part of a movement, I feel, has good intentions, but shitty members. Yeah, I have no doubt that there are LGBT people right now that are going through hell, and I send them every single best wish in my being; but you? I'm not sure you actually care. Have you ever done counseling services with these youth? Have you ever sat down, sometimes for five or six hours in a day, with multiple teens, as they pour out every inch of their soul to you? I'm going to bet that the answer is no. So until you show me that you've seen, first hand, the suffering the community has undergone, and not through some video on youtube or a story on CNN, THEN you can come to me and bitch.[/QUOTE]

On my off time I do reach out to the teens of the area, offering them hope. It's funny how you and other people see me as an anti-religious monster with the intentions of taking over the world and allowing gays to reign supreme. While that is an interesting dream, I do not support that dream as all I want is equality. Everywhere. In every continent. Every country. Every city. Ever piece of land humans exist upon. Now, while I do acknowledge the heinous violations of human rights in places like Uganda, as an American I believe that our country needs to get its ducks in a row first before this country attempts to help out other countries with humanitarian aid. Meanwhile, those countries that have successfully adopted equality such as a ananda can use their resources towards humanitarian aid in countries that kill people because of homosexuality. I just want to be clear that I'm not looking to rule the world as superior. I'm not Magneto. I am looking to equalize the world. That is all. So how I'm a monster when I'm trying to bring out equality is beyond me.

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Since we have gotten sooooo far off topic on this thread, I would like to point out that while Phil may be a well educated man with a (respectable?) profession, and he has every right to free speech, his "free speech" became hate speech when he used his biblical beliefs to put the LGBT community down as sinful and equate us to those involved in bestiality, basically putting us down as inferior to the superior religious mentality. Now do you see my problem?

Ahhh, so while he has the freedom to spew ignorant hate against a minority, that doesn't mean he is immune to the consequences. As such GLAAD's statements against him, the firing from A&E due to the comments, but there is one more thing: the show is now a means of spreading hateful ignorance. The people who support him will soon rally against equality, trying to put a stop to the LGBT community's movement. Because of the show is now a catalyst to the oppressive movement, it should be cancelled. Episodes past, present, and future. All because of one person's hate speech that will soon result in the regression of social justice in the country. Although I do love how afterwards two states legalized same sex marriage just after this whole thing started, which still signifies hope for the progress of equality.

[saea97]

I am perfectly willing to accept (and have never stated the contrary) that it is only a section - even a minority - of religious people who use their faith to argue against my lifestyle. Now that I have acknowledged that word for word, even though it's implicit and common sense, could we please agree that it IS a problem for those in the LGBT community that such religious bigotry exists?

I have never argued to destroy or eradicate religion, because everyone deserves their personal faith, and many people of faith are LGBT allies. If they use their faith as an excuse to argue against my rights, then fine, I'm going to label them a bigot, but I don't think religion itself is inherently bigoted; simply that a number of its adherents use it to find excuses for bigotry.

Homosexuality, in and of itself, isn't ABOUT anything. If it wasn't about being combative or hateful, then why are you and AgentHomo so hateful of ALL Christians? Pot, meet kettle.

There's a lot of that word flying around here. I don't hate all Christians, I hate bigotry and I merely acknowledge that a considerable portion of it is religious in nature (again, I'm categorically not saying that all religion or all religious people are bigoted). If I've given the impression to you that I hate all Christians, then I'm sorry. However, I don't believe I have. I concede: I resent Christianity. I don't believe it's done the world much good for the harm it's done in return. But do I hate it? Do I want to destroy it? No. I just wish all the religious people who DO use their faith to oppose my rights and condemn my nature (ie: Phil Robertson) would listen to reason.

I just want to debate this without "YOU KEEP SAYING YOU HATE ALL CHRISTIANS/RELIGION AND WANT TO DESTROY CHRISTIANITY/RELIGION" being shouted from all sides. Because I don't.

[World Eater]

It's funny how you and other people see me as an anti-religious monster with the intentions of taking over the world and allowing gays to reign supreme.

...no one said you were a monster. Not one person.

While that is an interesting dream, I do not support that dream as all I want is equality. Everywhere. In every continent. Every country. Every city. Ever piece of land humans exist upon.

Equality is impossible. There will always be inequality somewhere as long as there are humans who have power, will keep others below them.
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Since we have gotten sooooo far off topic on this thread, I would like to point out that while Phil may be a well educated man with a (respectable?) profession, and he has every right to free speech, his "free speech" became hate speech when he used his biblical beliefs to put the LGBT community down as sinful and equate us to those involved in bestiality, basically putting us down as inferior to the superior religious mentality. Now do you see my problem?

All he said, we're his beliefs. His free speech is hate speech? To you and maybe a few others. Not to me. You really need to learn how to ignore people. Endure the torment.

Ahhh, so while he has the freedom to spew ignorant hate against a minority, that doesn't mean he is immune to the consequences. As such GLAAD's statements against him, the firing from A&E due to the comments, but there is one more thing: the show is now a means of spreading hateful ignorance. The people who support him will soon rally against equality, trying to put a stop to the LGBT community's movement. Because of the show is now a catalyst to the oppressive movement, it should be cancelled. Episodes past, present, and future. All because of one person's hate speech that will soon result in the regression of social justice in the country. Although I do love how afterwards two states legalized same sex marriage just after this whole thing started, which still signifies hope for the progress of equality.

Really? You honestly believe that the show is fighting against equality? It's fake. Just like all the other "reality" TV shows.

[AgentHomo]

...no one said you were a monster. Not one person. I understand, but people are making me look like the monster who wants nothing but to rule the world with a gay fist.



Equality is impossible. There will always be inequality somewhere as long as there are humans who have power, will keep others below them.

May be, but that just means wherever there is inequality, there will be the cause for equality. It is the eternal balance of the universe. The struggle between inequalities and equalities. As for the LGBT cause, no I can't force anyone to support the equal movement, but if they don't support the idea for equality, then they better fear the idea of equality.
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All he said, we're his beliefs. His free speech is hate speech? To you and maybe a few others. Not to me. You really need to learn how to ignore people. Endure the torment.

I have endured the torment, and I'm sick of the ignorance and bigotry. Yes, his free speech was hate speech. He can say whatever he wants. He can say he thinks homosexuality is just as bad as bestiality. He can say according to his god and bible that I'm going to hell. He has the freedom to say whatever the fuck he wants, but that doesn't mean it's not bigotry. Using one own's religious beliefs (and I don't just mean Christians, but all religions) to deny the rights of a certain minority group, in this case, LGBT, that is definitely considered bigotry, ignorance, and homophobia. Also, any one who can't see that is also a bigot.


Really? You honestly believe that the show is fighting against equality? It's fake. Just like all the other "reality" TV shows.

I don't care about the show. I don't watch it, haven't watched it, and guess what? NEVER WILL! But from what I heard the show itself is not a hotbed of inequality. But because of the guy's ignorant comments, the people who stand by him will use the show as a means to spread support to their cause of fighting equality.

[Dark Hatred]

This thread has just turned into a debate on religion. Back to Phil's comment.

If Phil was a Muslim, he would be praised for stating his beliefs! If he were gay, he would be praised for standing up for his sexuality!

Everything is so backwards. This country is full of liberal assholes who think that Christians are stuck up their ass and don't understand anything else, which is wrong. Now, speaking out against gays is wrong, but for them is good? The Constitution says this in the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Government cannot "abridge freedom of speech." Phil Robertson is speaking his beliefs. But, if he was a Muslim he would be praised. Because we can't understand that freedom is for everyone.

I am not saying that we can only speak Christianity. What I am saying is that nobody should be bashed for speaking their beliefs. That's why people came to America in the first place. Hell, if speaking your Christian beliefs is wrong then we better shut down all the churches! Because they're wrong and they can't speak!

I am a Christian, so I guess I would say that other religions are "wrong." But I don't bash them and try to shut down their churches! And that's what the media is basically doing...

So finally: FUCK A&E. FUCK THE MEDIA. They are so backwards that those assholes have probably no idea what the first amendment is. Phil Robertson and his family are right for speaking out. So is everyone else who speaks their religion.

[AgentHomo]

This thread has just turned into a debate on religion. Back to Phil's comment.

If Phil was a Muslim, he would be praised for stating his beliefs! If he were gay, he would be praised for standing up for his sexuality!

Everything is so backwards. This country is full of liberal assholes who think that Christians are stuck up their ass and don't understand anything else, which is wrong. Now, speaking out against gays is wrong, but for them is good? The Constitution says this in the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Government cannot "abridge freedom of speech." Phil Robertson is speaking his beliefs. But, if he was a Muslim he would be praised. Because we can't understand that freedom is for everyone.

I am not saying that we can only speak Christianity. What I am saying is that nobody should be bashed for speaking their beliefs. That's why people came to America in the first place. Hell, if speaking your Christian beliefs is wrong then we better shut down all the churches! Because they're wrong and they can't speak!

I am a Christian, so I guess I would say that other religions are "wrong." But I don't bash them and try to shut down their churches! And that's what the media is basically doing...

So finally: FUCK A&E. FUCK THE MEDIA. They are so backwards that those assholes have probably no idea what the first amendment is. Phil Robertson and his family are right for speaking out. So is everyone else who speaks their religion.

Again, he has the freedom to say what he wants, but that doesn't justify immunity from the consequences. He compared a certain group to acts of bestiality, which everyone can agree is wrong. So why compare two consenting adults to someone who rales animals? Also, why use one's personal belief to illogically justify such claim? That's the problem here. He can spew whatever ignorant hate speech he wants, but his freedom of speech is not without consequence.

[Harry Smith]

This thread has just turned into a debate on religion. Back to Phil's comment.

If Phil was a Muslim, he would be praised for stating his beliefs! If he were gay, he would be praised for standing up for his sexuality!

Everything is so backwards. This country is full of liberal assholes who think that Christians are stuck up their ass and don't understand anything else, which is wrong. Now, speaking out against gays is wrong, but for them is good? The Constitution says this in the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Government cannot "abridge freedom of speech." Phil Robertson is speaking his beliefs. But, if he was a Muslim he would be praised. Because we can't understand that freedom is for everyone.

I am not saying that we can only speak Christianity. What I am saying is that nobody should be bashed for speaking their beliefs. That's why people came to America in the first place. Hell, if speaking your Christian beliefs is wrong then we better shut down all the churches! Because they're wrong and they can't speak!

I am a Christian, so I guess I would say that other religions are "wrong." But I don't bash them and try to shut down their churches! And that's what the media is basically doing...

So finally: FUCK A&E. FUCK THE MEDIA. They are so backwards that those assholes have probably no idea what the first amendment is. Phil Robertson and his family are right for speaking out. So is everyone else who speaks their religion.

He hasn't be arrested by the government so his first amendment rights have not been breached in anyway. The media is not shutting down churches- have you seen fox news?

Once again as mentioned above anti-homosexual views are not christian views...

I also love how you say you don't bash other religions yet you spend the whole thread attacking Muslims and the level of 'freedom' you think they have.

[AgentHomo]

I just want to add something I seen online that I completely agree with.

its not an “opinion” if it directly contributes to the oppression of a marginalized group of people, its an expression of bigotry that you call an “opinion” to keep yourself from feeling like an asshole


What he said, he supports the oppression of a small group of people. That is not an opinion, that is bigoted hate speech.

[Lovelife090994]

What does any of this even mean?



Oh yeah, Christians are so badly persecuted. It's not like the Church was one of the premier world powers for the best part of 15 centuries, most of which it spent as the oppressor.



The book really doesn't do itself any favours in the "inviting ridicule" department.



Homosexuality is not about being combative or hateful, it's about loving someone that's the same gender. The hatred of bigotry is sadly a necessary factor as long as bigots exist. I will argue vehemently against those who are anti-gay because that's how debating works. I don't agree that we should "live and let live" when there's a hugely substantial, well-financed, usually religious lobby that is actively trying to take away my rights.



As long as a religious lobby exists to oppose gay equality, religion will deserve to be undermined. I reserve that right and I will not be suppressed by any personal offence you take. This is a debate which affects one of the core elements of my life.




WHY? Why is it so? "Because my book says so" is not conducive to debate. You're always about the personal offence you take from the Bible being undermined, but the undermining happens because you never justify the REASON that homosexuality is a sin. And deep down that's the frustration that I, as a gay person, have with the religious community.

Reread my post, my full post. The meaning is there.

You both are confusing infallible text dogma with Christian theological necessity. It is NOT a necessity in the Christian religion to interpret the Bible as God's infallible word. This is a DOGMA begun by the CATHOLIC CHURCH back in the 4th century. It is 100% completely and entirely WRONG to claim homosexuality is necessarily a sin just because the Bible says so. That view is NOT a necessary part of the Christian faith. I am a Christian and I judge sin based only on the commandments of loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself. These were the commandments of Jesus that I follow, why? Because they make logical sense. Homosexuality does not transgress either of these commandments, therefore it is most definitely NOT sinful in my Christian view.

I actually AGREE WITH SAMUEL for like the FIRST TIME EVER lol. Christians should give logical reasons why things are sinful not throw an ancient book out attempting to claim it is sufficient justification. Mindlessly throwing a book does huge damage to a faith that is supposed to be based on discernment guided by a living spirit, not the regurgitation of words on a page. No wonder the unbelievers are so vehement, in many ways I completely understand their "frustration" and don't blame them for their exasperation.

All I said is what I am stating. The Bible states it does not judge. What is written in the Bible does not chnge. Interpretation yes but not the meaning.

-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[saea97]

Reread my post, my full post. The meaning is there.

My question was addressed to your first paragraph, which I found utterly incomprehensible.

[Lovelife090994]

My question was addressed to your first paragraph, which I found utterly incomprehensible.

That was not directed to you in the first place. Again when the question it is answering is brought into play along with the whole post then it does make sense.

[Harry Smith]

All I said is what I am stating. The Bible states it does not judge. What is written in the Bible does not chnge. Interpretation yes but not the meaning.

Which pretty much confirms my view that the Church (Catholic and protestant) just panders to the mass of it's membership and abandon any position which is seen as largely unpopular.

For example the clear cut references to homosexuality only come from Leviticus such as

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination

Another pearl of wisdom from Leviticus

f anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

laves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

This just shows how the majority of anti-LGBT Christians pick and choose from the Bible and more specifically certain parts of it- they call homosexuality a sin yet I don't see them advocating slavery or capital punishment for swearing. It's a joke

[StoppingTime]

I just want to add something I seen online that I completely agree with.



What he said, he supports the oppression of a small group of people. That is not an opinion, that is bigoted hate speech.

If that were the case, that implies that anyone who holds an opinion over a minority means that they are committing "bigoted hate speech."

That would mean that if someone disagrees with the the Palestinians controlling land of what is currently Israel is committing hate speech, and the converse, which, of course is ridiculous.
This man is entitled, as mentioned throughout this entire thread, to say whatever he pleases. There are people all over the media (Fox News, Rush, etc) who say things like that, and guess what, they're still on the air, because it's their opinion, it's not "bigoted hate speech."

In short, as Dakota's said, you're fighting for "social justice" in situations in which you simply don't belong.


I have endured the torment, and I'm sick of the ignorance and bigotry. Yes, his free speech was hate speech. He can say whatever he wants. He can say he thinks homosexuality is just as bad as bestiality. He can say according to his god and bible that I'm going to hell. He has the freedom to say whatever the fuck he wants, but that doesn't mean it's not bigotry.

That halfway made sense, good!


Using one own's religious beliefs (and I don't just mean Christians, but all religions) to deny the rights of a certain minority group, in this case, LGBT, that is definitely considered bigotry, ignorance, and homophobia. Also, any one who can't see that is also a bigot.


Two things are wrong here:
1. He himself is not denying anyone of any right.
2. The "Anyone who disagrees with what I say is X" logic is, well, not logic.

[TheBionicWorm]

I'd just like to point out that the laws in Leviticus are no longer valid. When Jesus died for our sins it made the law unnecessary. I'd also like to say that I don't hate gay people, I don't believe what they believe but I still respect their opinion. And if that's what they truly want to believe than I can't stop them.

[Typhlosion]

I don't get it. He said that homosexuality was sinful according to his beliefs?

AND...?

While kinda unjust, the channel had all rights to suspend his show if they disagree with his beliefs and do not want to support them.
And he reserves all rights on stating his views on whatnot. Free speech (with consequences.)

[Lovelife090994]

Which pretty much confirms my view that the Church (Catholic and protestant) just panders to the mass of it's membership and abandon any position which is seen as largely unpopular.

For example the clear cut references to homosexuality only come from Leviticus such as



Another pearl of wisdom from Leviticus





This just shows how the majority of anti-LGBT Christians pick and choose from the Bible and more specifically certain parts of it- they call homosexuality a sin yet I don't see them advocating slavery or capital punishment for swearing. It's a joke


You forgot Proverbs, Romans, and Acts. I am actually okay if gay marry and am bisexual myself so do not judge me without knowing me.
And slavery was wrong, Christians hated that too, swearing isn't liked either. Quit labeling Christianity with stuff it isn't. I never attacked you. Heck, you and I will probably never meet.

[Harry Smith]

You forgot Proverbs, Romans, and Acts. I am actually okay if gay marry and am bisexual myself so do not judge me without knowing me.
And slavery was wrong, Christians hated that too, swearing isn't liked either. Quit labeling Christianity with stuff it isn't. I never attacked you. Heck, you and I will probably never meet.

I never said you attacked me. Of course we're not going to meet that's why were having a conversation on a debating thread. it seems whenever someone mentions your faith you accuse them of attacking you and being rude when in fact nothing like that has been said.

I'm not labeling Christianity- I'm pointing out that the verses in Leviticus support Slavery so it seems odd to pick and choose which parts of the old testament you want to follow.

Christians hated that too

I'd highly disagree- not only do the verses in the Bible heavily support Slavery but throughout the whole of the medieval times the Catholic church didn't really hold a view on slavery-in fact they largely supported it

[Lovelife090994]

I never said you attacked me. Of course we're not going to meet that's why were having a conversation on a debating thread. it seems whenever someone mentions your faith you accuse them of attacking you and being rude when in fact nothing like that has been said.

I'm not labeling Christianity- I'm pointing out that the verses in Leviticus support Slavery so it seems odd to pick and choose which parts of the old testament you want to follow.



I'd highly disagree- not only do the verses in the Bible heavily support Slavery but throughout the whole of the medieval times the Catholic church didn't really hold a view on slavery-in fact they largely supported it

Three problems with that, you have attacked many people of faith here, I am not Catholic plus many Catholics would disagree, and lastly slavery is nowhere right. The Israelites were slaves and delivered to freedom by God. Slavery is never right. We are to be servants, of the Lord but not slaves.

[Harry Smith]

Three problems with that, you have attacked many people of faith here, I am not Catholic plus many Catholics would disagree, and lastly slavery is nowhere right. The Israelites were slaves and delivered to freedom by God. Slavery is never right. We are to be servants, of the Lord but not slaves.

Then how come your very holy book endorses it?

[Sugaree]

Then how come your very holy book endorses it?

You still don't get it. Yes, the Old Testament is part of the Bible as a whole, but it's only there for historical purposes in the eyes of the Church. It is there for a record of the old laws which were followed before the coming of Christ. How many times does this have to be repeated before it gets through to you?

[Lovelife090994]

Then how come your very holy book endorses it?

How much must I or anybody repeat it? I will not argue, not today, Merry Christmas!

You still don't get it. Yes, the Old Testament is part of the Bible as a whole, but it's only there for historical purposes in the eyes of the Church. It is there for a record of the old laws which were followed before the coming of Christ. How many times does this have to be repeated before it gets through to you?

You are so right! Much of the Bible is history yet many refute that. I wish you a Merry Chrstmas, thanks.

[Dark Hatred]

He hasn't be arrested by the government so his first amendment rights have not been breached in anyway. The media is not shutting down churches- have you seen fox news?

Once again as mentioned above anti-homosexual views are not christian views...

I also love how you say you don't bash other religions yet you spend the whole thread attacking Muslims and the level of 'freedom' you think they have.

Did I say his rights were taken away? No. What I did say was that the MEDIA was violating a right he has as an American citizen.

I am not bashing Muslims in any way. I am saying that the media gives them more leeway than Christians get.

And anti-gay views ARE Christian views.



Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor homosexuals, .......

I could list many more. Clearly anti-gay views are ACTUAL Christian views.

[AgentHomo]

How much must I or anybody repeat it? I will not argue, not today, Merry Christmas!

You may celebrate your holiday, but I don't. My holiday season was over when the winter solstice passed. So therefore I am open to debate. But, I will respect your wiz to celebrate your holiday of contradictions and lies.

You are so right! Much of the Bible is history yet many refute that. I wish you a Merry Chrstmas, thanks.

I agree, the Bible is history, a long history of pain and suffering for those who do not practice a religious belief the same as the superior or at all. Again, we'll be here when you're ready. Happy winter.

[Sugaree]

You may celebrate your holiday, but I don't. My holiday season was over when the winter solstice passed. So therefore I am open to debate. But, I will respect your wiz to celebrate your holiday of contradictions and lies.



I agree, the Bible is history, a long history of pain and suffering for those who do not practice a religious belief the same as the superior or at all. Again, we'll be here when you're ready. Happy winter.

Again, you continue your hypocrisy. Oh yes, you don't attack Christians, yet you just did in this post right here. So when are you going to fess up? Just do it and be done with the thread.

[Lovelife090994]

You may celebrate your holiday, but I don't. My holiday season was over when the winter solstice passed. So therefore I am open to debate. But, I will respect your wiz to celebrate your holiday of contradictions and lies.



I agree, the Bible is history, a long history of pain and suffering for those who do not practice a religious belief the same as the superior or at all. Again, we'll be here when you're ready. Happy winter.

I still love you. May God bless you. You'll be in my prayers tonight and I wish you a blessed Merry Christmas. May God melt your heart and give you tolerance. You attack Christians, but that is wrong, and we still love you! Hopefully your icy soul will break and the warm love locked within will come out. Your colors may be the rainbow but you are so dead inside that all I see is black in your words. But it not my place to judge, so as I said I will pray and I wish you a Merry Christmas! God Bless you sir! Have a pleasant evening. Your words do not sting.

[AgentHomo]

Did I say his rights were taken away? No. What I did say was that the MEDIA was violating a right he has as an American citizen.

I am not bashing Muslims in any way. I am saying that the media gives them more leeway than Christians get.

And anti-gay views ARE Christian views.



Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor homosexuals, .......

I could list many more. Clearly anti-gay views are ACTUAL Christian views.

You have just clearly pointed out something we have been trying to say: Anti-gay views are Christian views, which brings me to this off-topic tangent, what logical explanation is there to use one's religious belief against the basic human rights of a minority group such as LGBT? And to be clear it's not just Christianity, but there are other mainstream religions against LGBT rights. But I would rather focus in bringing this country up to the present before saving LGBT in third world countries. And it's hard to do that with people like Phil denying LGBT equality because of some religious belief.

[StoppingTime]

You have just clearly pointed out something we have been trying to say: Anti-gay views are Christian views, which brings me to this off-topic tangent, what logical explanation is there to use one's religious belief against the basic human rights of a minority group such as LGBT? And to be clear it's not just Christianity, but there are other mainstream religions against LGBT rights. But I would rather focus in bringing this country up to the present before saving LGBT in third world countries. And it's hard to do that with people like Phil denying LGBT equality because of some religious belief.

Here's what's interesting: Equality isn't achieved when everyone has the same views on a certain topic. Phil, nor anyone else's personal beliefs necessarily get in the way of this "equality." What gets in the way are the laws in a government and strong stigmas in society that prevent in.

So in short, everyone doesn't have to agree with you for equality to exist.

[Celtic.]

wait I just read somewhere not only did he talk about gays He also had some racist comments to African Americans. Why was this not talked about as much?

[StoppingTime]

wait I just read somewhere not only did he talk about gays He also had some racist comments to African Americans. Why was this not talked about as much?

Because the OP of this thread is overly fixated on the fact that the guy is "preventing LGBT equality" and doesn't seem to care about much else.

[Lovelife090994]

Because the OP of this thread is overly fixated on the fact that the guy is "preventing LGBT equality" and doesn't seem to care about much else.

But Phil can't prevent rights, he has no political power.

[AgentHomo]

wait I just read somewhere not only did he talk about gays He also had some racist comments to African Americans. Why was this not talked about as much?

If you wish to discuss this topic please start a new thread for it. The only reason why it's not such a big deal is because African Americans have equality whereas LGBT don't. So because we don't have equality, we will fight for it no matter the costs. But I do agree that besides homophobia, Phil is also a racist. But I would expect nothing more from those kind of people.

Because the OP of this thread is overly fixated on the fact that the guy is "preventing LGBT equality" and doesn't seem to care about much else.

But Phil can't prevent rights, he has no political power.

Let's take the African American example here. Lets say we are all in the 1960's again. Phil makes the claim that African Americans shouldn't have equality? I'm pretty sure massive protests would occur, the show would be cancelled in a heartbeat, and he would be seen as a complete racist. So, if this is right for African Americans to do, why is it wrong for LGBT to do? And again, he doesn't have to be in political power. If he says he is against LGBT equality, he is contributing to the oppression of the LGBT culture. Much like he would be for African Americans if he said he is for slavery.

[Celtic.]

If you wish to discuss this topic please start a new thread for it. The only reason why it's not such a big deal is because African Americans have equality whereas LGBT don't. So because we don't have equality, we will fight for it no matter the costs. But I do agree that besides homophobia, Phil is also a racist. But I would expect nothing more from those kind of people.

The hell you say. And even if that was the case (which it isent) You make it seem like the LGBT community is more important than the African American community

[AgentHomo]

The hell you say. And even if that was the case (which it isent) You make it seem like the LGBT community is more important than the African American community

I guess the racism on Duck Dynasty can also be discussed. Please inform me how African Americans are not equal? They are allowed to vote. They are no *longer* slaves. They aren't thrown out of restaurants. Which, by the way, is a major discrimination issue in the LGBT community. I have heard members of LGBT be asked to leave restaurants, denied admission into movie theaters, and refused service at hotels. I have not heard a single story like that involving a racial issue. The last racial issue I heard of was the Trayvon Martin incident, which I agree was due to racism. This isn't the 60's anymore. African Americans have equal rights and I am extremely happy they do, but now it's time for LGBT to gain equality.

No matter where you go there will always be discrimination. We can both agree that the people of Duck Dynasty are homophobic and racist ignorant POS.

Edit: I forgot. We have an African American as the fuckin PRESIDENT! If that isn't equality than I don't know what is. People of different races are accepted into society. People of different sexual orientation hasnt.

Edit 2: There has been a double post. If a mod can fix it please, thank you.

[Celtic.]

I guess the racism on Duck Dynasty can also be discussed. Please inform me how African Americans are not equal? They are allowed to vote. They are no infer slaves. They aren't thrown out of restaurants. Which, by the way, is a major discrimination issue in the LGBT community. I have heard members of LGBT be asked to leave restaurants, denied admission into movie theaters, and refused service at hotels. I have not heard a single story like that involving a racial issue. The last racial issue I heard of was the Trayvon Martin incident, which I agree was due to racism. This isn't the 60's anymore. African Americans have equal rights and I am extremely happy they do, but now it's time for LGBT to gain equality.

No matter where you go there will always be discrimination. We can both agree that the people of Duck Dynasty are homophobic and racist ignorant POS.
Dwb (driving while black)
Wftbwb (waiting for the bus while black)
Not being equal when represented in courts
^The entire travon martin case is an example of this
Also when someone says something about gays it gets talked about more than racism.
I could post more but Im going into the chat naow

[AgentHomo]

Dwb (driving while black)
Wftbwb (waiting for the bus while black)
Not being equal when represented in courts
^The entire travon martin case is an example of this
Also when someone says something about gays it gets talked about more than racism.
I could post more but Im going into the chat naow

Might I also point out homosexuality is punishable by death in some countries in Africa and the Middle East? Talk about equality.

[Celtic.]

Might I also point out homosexuality is punishable by death in some countries in Africa and the Middle East? Talk about equality.

May I point out that the KKK has killed millions of African americans since its debut? They hate all minorities yes but the hate Jews and Blacks the most

[AgentHomo]

May I point out that the KKK has killed millions of African americans since its debut? They hate all minorities yes but the hate Jews and Blacks the most

The KKK is still around, yes. But I don't think they've killed people in years. Whereas homosexuals in certain countries are being killed today. LGBT teens in America are committing suicide because of homophobic discrimination. That's going on right now as we speak. In fact a friend if mine just committed suicide because his parents didn't approve of his homosexuality. I would say since the inauguration of President Obama this country has been accepting of the African American culture whereas a majority of states have denied LGBT the rights they deserve. 18 out of 50 states have legalized LGBT equality. And we are living in the "home of the free"? In 32 states LGBT couples can't marry, can't visit their loved ones in hospitals, etc.

[lijrobert]

May I point out that the KKK has killed millions of African americans since its debut? They hate all minorities yes but the hate Jews and Blacks the most

Millions? The KKK has killed many people and not an insignificant number at that, but millions? Millions died from slave trade, but at most, the KKK has killed many thousands of people.

I do agree with you. I think his comments on African Americans are much worse. As bad as it sounds many of his viewer base agree with him on the topic of homosexuality, but most wouldn't come out be rampant racists. I think we should be more outraged about this appearance of racist ideas that sound like they're straight from the 60s. He basically said African Americans loved living under Jim Crow laws. Thats awful and is a disgraceful.

On the topic of Duck Dynasty being canceled, at least here in the southland, too many people like the show for it to be canceled without strife.

[Sugaree]

Dwb (driving while black)
Wftbwb (waiting for the bus while black)
Not being equal when represented in courts
^The entire travon martin case is an example of this
Also when someone says something about gays it gets talked about more than racism.
I could post more but Im going into the chat naow

If you keep grasping at straws, I won't have any to drink my soda. Driving while black? Waiting for the bus while black? Oh please, get a life, man. You're paranoid as fuck.

[lijrobert]

Please note that my post does not say that LGBT discrimination is worse or lesser than racism. LGBT rights is purely in a highlight in the USA as it should be. I'm not saying blacks and whites are perfectly in harmony and running around with equal rights, but as it stands, in certain cases, members of the LGBT community are discriminated against much more than minorities. In most places, black people, mexicans, asians, etc. are accepted. Gays and Lesbians have not yet reached this level of acceptance in America. This is why I think that Phil Robertson has been the focus of much outrage due to his remarks on LGBTs rather than black people. Both remarks are bad. One is just more highlighted right now.

[Celtic.]

If you keep grasping at straws, I won't have any to drink my soda. Driving while black? Waiting for the bus while black? Oh please, get a life, man. You're paranoid as fuck.

Both are real things not brought up to light that you will never have issues with. you want to see DWB? look up the Rodney king case

[AgentHomo]

Both are real things not brought up to light that you will never have issues with. you want to see DWB? look up the Rodney king case

The Rodney King case and the LA riots were in the early 90's. Back when racism was still prevalent. Times have changed since then and there isn't much racism anymore, yeah, one hears the occasional case of a white police officer beating up a black person because they're black, but that's the case of personal racism. National racism pretty much died out. Meanwhile, homophobia is still prevalent in the nation today and a good amount of countries in the world.

[Lovelife090994]

If you keep grasping at straws, I won't have any to drink my soda. Driving while black? Waiting for the bus while black? Oh please, get a life, man. You're paranoid as fuck.

Actually Dakota, that happens all of time, what he said.

The Rodney King case and the LA riots were in the early 90's. Back when racism was still prevalent. Times have changed since then and there isn't much racism anymore, yeah, one hears the occasional case of a white police officer beating up a black person because they're black, but that's the case of personal racism. National racism pretty much died out. Meanwhile, homophobia is still prevalent in the nation today and a good amount of countries in the world.

Racism is far from dead, either in America or across the world.

[AgentHomo]

Racism is far from dead, either in America or across the world.

Funny. I was just about justify my stance by going back and saying we have an African American president, but then I remembered in 2008 masses of people disapproved of him because he is of a different race. Thus, the whole birth certificate conspiracy was formed. Still, I see America more accepting of African Americans than LGBT.

[Lovelife090994]

Funny. I was just about justify my stance by going back and saying we have an African American president, but then I remembered in 2008 masses of people disapproved of him because he is of a different race. Thus, the whole birth certificate conspiracy was formed. Still, I see America more accepting of African Americans than LGBT.

Just because your president is this or that race does not mean that racism is dead.
Race and sexuality are two different things! You can have both, you are not one or the other. You can African-American and heterosexual which is a race and sexuality but you were born into the African-American race. You can have another African-American who is not heterosexual he or she is also born into that race and has a sexuality also, different yes but one.
Agent, you are more than your sexual preference. Plus th LGBT with members like you ready to argue I don't think most would be too accepting when bullied all the time by people who argue. Plus you and I both know why some disagree with the LGBT.

[AgentHomo]

Just because your president is this or that race does not mean that racism is dead.

Well, I noticed my contradiction in an earlier post. I assumed that since we have an African American president that there would more acceptance and less racism, then I remembered that because he became President there was an increase in racism. Remember how people were claiming because he is of African American decent that he isn't an American citizen? How people demanded to see his birth certificate in order to justify his citizenship based on his race?

So while I do correct myself in saying that having an African American as President did not kill out racism, in the present year of 2013 (and 2014), homophobia is seen as a much bigger issue. Personally it is for me as I endure discrimination on a daily basis for being an open homosexual. Even the family dinner with extended relatives two nights ago I was called out because of my sexual orientation. Luckily my parents are very accepting and demanded that the extended family apologize and possibly change their anti-gay stance. As family, I don't see why they should even deny me liberty because I am gay.

But, in the original topic, homophobia is much more prevalent than racism today. Racism is still out there,just not as widespread as homophobia.

[Lovelife090994]

Well, I noticed my contradiction in an earlier post. I assumed that since we have an African American president that there would more acceptance and less racism, then I remembered that because he became President there was an increase in racism. Remember how people were claiming because he is of African American decent that he isn't an American citizen? How people demanded to see his birth certificate in order to justify his citizenship based on his race?

So while I do correct myself in saying that having an African American as President did not kill out racism, in the present year of 2013 (and 2014), homophobia is seen as a much bigger issue. Personally it is for me as I endure discrimination on a daily basis for being an open homosexual. Even the family dinner with extended relatives two nights ago I was called out because of my sexual orientation. Luckily my parents are very accepting and demanded that the extended family apologize and possibly change their anti-gay stance. As family, I don't see why they should even deny me liberty because I am gay.

But, in the original topic, homophobia is much more prevalent than racism today. Racism is still out there,just not as widespread as homophobia.

I have no idea if anti-homosexaual attitudes are more prevalent than racism today or not. But I do know that political correctness are more prevalent which brings up this case of Phil Robertson. You say something that is not alligned to the mainstream and all of a sudden people are ready to pound you like dogs. Homophobia is a word of hypocrisy. Homo-means same so it fits for the word homosexual of same sexual desire but the phobia- part means a fear of. Most who disagree on homosexuality are far from scared of it.

You face discrimination on a daily basis? Hmm, and what is your reaction to it? If you are a rude person and people don't like you then you don't blame their discontemp on your sexuality but I hope that is not the case. Your family loves you. You think me and my family agree on everything? I'm Christian and artistic and strictly city whereas they are quite the opposite. The thing with family is that you may not like everything they do and they may not like everything you do, you don't just banish them from your sight. Your family is not denying you liberty. In fact I say the opposite. Lately it seems only thse who are politically correct and pro-gay can have a say in this modern world which is hypocrisy for speech.

Look at Phil Robertson or even earlier, the Miss California, both asked about their opinion, both gave an honest answer, both met with harsh critics and the critics praised. How is that fair?

[Vlerchan]

Homophobia is a word of hypocrisy [...] phobia- part means a fear of.
I searched phobia on Google and this is what I came across in the first four online dictionaries I chanced into:
Phobia (n): an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

Aversion (n): a strong dislike or disinclination.Phobia (n): an extremely strong dislike or fear of someone or something.Phobia (n): an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

Aversion (n): a strong dislike or disinclination.Phobia (n): an extreme fear or dislike of a particular thing or situation, especially one that cannot be reasonably explained.

I checked two for Homophobia:
Homophobia (n): an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

Aversion (n): a strong dislike or disinclination.Homophobia (n): feeling, or inspired by a strong and unreasonable dislike of homosexual people.

From this I gathered that phobia, especially when referring to homosexuals, extends to more than just simple fear.