Climate change

[Canadian Dream]

We have been talking about it for a few decades, but we have only done minor changes, which don't affect climate change very much. My question then is: Do any of you think that we will be able to make major changes and save our declining ecosystems in time? I personaly think that to make a change, we need to affect government and big compagnies (for example oil sands) to make that change, and that it will be hard to do this, since profit is one of the major priorities in capitalist societies like the US.

P.S. The defenition of climate change involves global warming, the rise of ocean waters, more intense natural catastrophies like hurricanes and tornadoes, and anything else affecting human race and other ecosystems related to climate.

[Walter Powers]

What do you propose be done?

You can't control mother nature.

[Sir Suomi]

A few things could help, but sadly, it may already be too late. But we can try and at least halt the global temperature increase. Researching into alternate forms of clean energy, such as Cold Fusion, will give us a great amount of energy, while at the same time, give off little to no effects on the environment. Increasing global awareness about conservation and recycling would help reduce our need for resources such as plastics, rubber, lumber, etc. Limiting growth, in both construction and of our population, will help keep species of important plants and animals alive, which benefits all of us. Also, possible colonization of other bodies of rock in our solar system would help with our overpopulation issue, and also allow us to retrieve resources without hurting our planet. Basically, it'll be a very long, hard, and expensive period of time, but, if we stay on the right track, we should still have a planet Earth by the time our great-grandchildren are our age.

[Canadian Dream]

What do you propose be done?

You can't control mother nature.

I mean that we could help mother nature bring everything back to order, for example reducing carbon dioxide by a lot. A change needs to occur, we all know it. Also, do you propose we should let our ecosystems crucial to survival die? In about 100 years, and studies have been done to support this, cities like London, San Francisco, and other waterfront cities would be completly flooded at the rate our sea waters are rising. Again, change needs to happen. Our domination as human race could lead to our own destruction of the world. Mother nature is not controlling our acts, we are, and it was not mother nature's decision to let us destroy her creation.

A few things could help, but sadly, it may already be too late. But we can try and at least halt the global temperature increase. Researching into alternate forms of clean energy, such as Cold Fusion, will give us a great amount of energy, while at the same time, give off little to no effects on the environment. Increasing global awareness about conservation and recycling would help reduce our need for resources such as plastics, rubber, lumber, etc. Limiting growth, in both construction and of our population, will help keep species of important plants and animals alive, which benefits all of us. Also, possible colonization of other bodies of rock in our solar system would help with our overpopulation issue, and also allow us to retrieve resources without hurting our planet. Basically, it'll be a very long, hard, and expensive period of time, but, if we stay on the right track, we should still have a planet Earth by the time our great-grandchildren are our age.

I agree, but we are already all aware of climate change, we need to find a way to make others act! Do you suppose there is a way to make the government and other influencial groups put environnment over profit?

Please don't double post, use the edit feature or multi quote feature. ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[Sir Suomi]

I agree, but we are already all aware of climate change, we need to find a way to make others act! Do you suppose there is a way to make the government and other influencial groups put environnment over profit?

Honestly, I wish we could. But unless we could somehow get every country to enforce these regulations, it'd never happen. Look at China. They have practically no government regulations on how business should be conducted, and corporations take advantage of this and create their factories and there, where they can do things as cheaply as possible. They don't have to worry about a Worker's Union or the EPA busting down their doors, for the most part. So they create their products there, and laugh as they count their multi-digit paychecks. So unless we could force every country to enforce regulations, which, keep in mind, not every government can afford or wants, there'll be no stop to their destruction to our environment. Don't you love Free Markets? :rolleyes:

[Walter Powers]

I mean that we could help mother nature bring everything back to order, for example reducing carbon dioxide by a lot. A change needs to occur, we all know it. Also, do you propose we should let our ecosystems crucial to survival die?

Of course nobody wants ecosystems to die. My criticism, however, is that you have made no real suggestions as to how to make a difference.

And more importantly the people pushing this issue have lost all of their credibility and so we have no reason to lose billions or trillions of dollars because of what they say. A while back the tree huggers were saying the Earth was cooling, then it was all "global warming" and now "climate change" appears to be plateauing. And the person who was leading the charge, Al Gore, has been exposed to being the biggest hypocrite in the history of hypocrisy.

My main philosophy when it comes to this is that human effect on the CLIMATE is minimal; so spending tons of money trying to negate our tiny impact doesn't make much sense. Instead, we should free up that capital so it can be used to help us adapt to whatever environmental situation comes our way.

[ksdnfkfr]

I think a lot of the whole climate change is mostly a doomsday scenario.
It seems like there always has to be some big threat going on.
Look how goofy tons of ppl got over 2012. When my dad was a kid
we were supposed to be facing another ice age. When my grandpa
was a kid we were going to get nuked by the Russians. In my
time the terrorists were going kill everyone with weapons of mass destruction.
That is why whenever I hear anything that sounds like
"The end of the world is coming" I am very skeptical.
I think the old style industry and automotive stuff that causes air
pollution will start going away simply because it is becoming too primitive.

[ImCoolBeans]

The Earth historically goes through climate changes and climate periods. Waaaay back in the day we learned about the paleozoic, mesozoic, jurassic, precambrian, and other periods, they all had slightly different climates. The Earth has had ice ages, and periods of time where it was completely uninhabitable because there were constant volcanic eruptions. There is nothing we can really do to stop a climate change when it's happening. I'm not saying we don't have an influence in pollution but what is going to happen by mother nature's hand is all up to her.

[Harry Smith]

I think Climate change is a major issue for a number of reasons.

- The gases we emit in the atmosphere are having terrible effects on our health, if you look at geo medicine some industrial areas of the US have a much lower life expectancy despite being richer than other rural areas. Mexico also has a major problem with photogenic gases basically causing illness.

- We need to limit and teach ourselves to manage resources whether it be electricity or food, as a race we waste too much.

- Millions of refugees from poor countries like Bangladesh are going to be affected by rising sea levels and the western world are going to have to look after that. We need to be pro active in stopping the rate of rising sea levels because flooding is one the greatest risks to many countries such as Britain

[Sugaree]

The Earth historically goes through climate changes and climate periods. Waaaay back in the day we learned about the paleozoic, mesozoic, jurassic, precambrian, and other periods, they all had slightly different climates. The Earth has had ice ages, and periods of time where it was completely uninhabitable because there were constant volcanic eruptions. There is nothing we can really do to stop a climate change when it's happening. I'm not saying we don't have an influence in pollution but what is going to happen by mother nature's hand is all up to her.

These are my thoughts exactly. Leave nature to itself, and keep good care not to damage it. A simple, yet often ignored, philosophy.

[Ashthefox]

the climate changes on its own. We can't really do much to change that.

[Canadian Dream]

The Earth historically goes through climate changes and climate periods. Waaaay back in the day we learned about the paleozoic, mesozoic, jurassic, precambrian, and other periods, they all had slightly different climates. The Earth has had ice ages, and periods of time where it was completely uninhabitable because there were constant volcanic eruptions. There is nothing we can really do to stop a climate change when it's happening. I'm not saying we don't have an influence in pollution but what is going to happen by mother nature's hand is all up to her.

There is scientific evidence that our pollution is weakening the athmosphere, a critical part to our survival. Without it, our planet, even though it's protected by its magnetic field, is vulnerable to the most powerful rays of solar radiation, which could basically decimate life on earth.


the climate changes on its own. We can't really do much to change that.

Even though part of that is true, I strongly disagree. We have a big impact on the environnment, there is science to back it up, and we habe the power to slow down climate change.

[ImCoolBeans]

There is scientific evidence that our pollution is weakening the athmosphere, a critical part to our survival. Without it, our planet, even though it's protected by its magnetic field, is vulnerable to the most powerful rays of solar radiation, which could basically decimate life on earth.


I mentioned in my post that we have influence in the climate with pollution, and nowhere did I say that it wasn't important to take care of the environment, my point was that there is no reversing mother nature. She doesn't stop what she's doing for anybody.

[Canadian Dream]

I mentioned in my post that we have influence in the climate with pollution, and nowhere did I say that it wasn't important to take care of the environment, my point was that there is no reversing mother nature. She doesn't stop what she's doing for anybody.

Are you saying mother nature and environment are different things? I say they are the same, and we have to "take care" of mother nature. Mother nature is not our pollution, she has not decided that her world would be destroyed by her creation. So your point was that mother nature is invicible, and that she is "making us" destroy our planet? I'm sorry but it doesn't make any sense to me.

[Human]

I'm more skeptic now that I've done my own research into it. If you look beyond the news screaming "AHH WE'RE GOING TO DIE GLOBAL WARMING BLAH BLAH" you'll see that the changes are very small, and there is a lot of evidence that can be disputed. For example, the last 15 years have had no change, but the IPCC covered it up.
Remember, even though we undoubtedly have a small influence on it, the folks at IPCC have jobs, if there is no climate change, they have less of a job to do

[ImCoolBeans]

Are you saying mother nature and environment are different things? I say they are the same, and we have to "take care" of mother nature. Mother nature is not our pollution, she has not decided that her world would be destroyed by her creation. So your point was that mother nature is invicible, and that she is "making us" destroy our planet? I'm sorry but it doesn't make any sense to me.

No… I didn't say anywhere that the environment and mother nature are different things, and nor did I say anything else you just said… I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

[Canadian Dream]

No… I didn't say anywhere that the environment and mother nature are different things, and nor did I say anything else you just said… I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

Sorry for not making myself clear, but you clearly stated in the post that there is no reversing mother nature, and in the same post you said we should take care of the environment. Supposing that mother nature and environment are the same, you are saying that mother nature/environment are invincible, but that we have to take care of them?

[ImCoolBeans]

Sorry for not making myself clear, but you clearly stated in the post that there is no reversing mother nature, and in the same post you said we should take care of the environment. Supposing that mother nature and environment are the same, you are saying that mother nature/environment are invincible, but that we have to take care of them?

No, that doesn't mean invincible, that means that we can't undo what's already been done, but not we just need to take care of it to make sure we don't further mess it up.

[Canadian Dream]

No, that doesn't mean invincible, that means that we can't undo what's already been done, but not we just need to take care of it to make sure we don't further mess it up.

In your very first post, you said that: "There is nothing we can really do to stop a climate change when it's happening". So you went from saying that we can't do anything to stop climate change from happening to we have to be careful not to spoil our existance. You just contradicted yourself, and I am glad to here that you agree with my opinion.

[ImCoolBeans]

In your very first post, you said that: "There is nothing we can really do to stop a climate change when it's happening". So you went from saying that we can't do anything to stop climate change from happening to we have to be careful not to spoil our existance. You just contradicted yourself, and I am glad to here that you agree with my opinion.

No I did not contradict myself, I said we can't do anything to stop a climate change in when it's happening, what has been done cannot be undone, and then I affirmed it by saying we should be careful not by polluting it, to do more harm.

[rogoshtalmour]

Am i the only one that thinks its even possible that the sun is responsible for the rise in global temps when they happen. keeping in mind we have been on a cooling trend since 1998