Please don't drink alcohol

[lifelies]

I can't handle watching people who drink alcohol. My father is an alcoholic. He almost killed me once, and he has ruined my life.
His behaviour caused me, a 15yo, a C-PTSD (Complex posttraumatic stress disorder) comparable to someone who has gone thru child abuse since they were born... which has just worsened my BPD.

If you drink to cope... please stop. It hurts everybody around you. Do other drugs if you want. But don't drink.
It's amazing that it's even legal.

[AlexanderTheGreat]

I can't handle watching people who drink alcohol. My father is an alcoholic. He almost killed me once, and he has ruined my life.
His behaviour caused me, a 15yo, a C-PTSD (Complex posttraumatic stress disorder) comparable to someone who has gone thru child abuse since they were born... which has just worsened my BPD.

If you drink to cope... please stop. It hurts everybody around you. Do other drugs if you want. But don't drink.
It's amazing that it's even legal.

I understand how you feel, alcohol has torn lives apart.
Yes I drink but I don't get drunk at all, (it's been 9 months since I was last drunk). I enjoy alcohol as a beverage, some people enjoy it as a way to get completely smashed. Alcohol has a very weird place in out society.

[workingatperfect]

There's a difference between using and abusing. You can drink alcohol without it controlling your life and hurting people.

Also, you really shouldn't be telling people to do drugs instead, that's just stupid. Just because you had a negative experience with one and not the other, doesn't mean the other is good by any means. A lot of drugs can be just as harmful, if not way more harmful, than alcohol.

[JayDilla]

i don't drink or smoke

[drmindfreak]

please don't preach

[ksdnfkfr]

I wonder if abusive alcoholics are not just plain abusive anyways.
My dad and grandpa both drink scotch and whiskey, but it doesn't
ever make them abusive.

[fordgtguy]

Drinking is fine get smashed like i used to is fun too just not as fun as chilling with friends watching football and drinking some pints

[lifelies]

Eh, quoting myself:
If you drink to cope... please stop. It hurts everybody around you. Do other drugs if you want. But don't drink.
Recreative drinking is fine... if you drink to cope, you are an alcoholic probably.
Also, you really shouldn't be telling people to do drugs instead, that's just stupid. Just because you had a negative experience with one and not the other, doesn't mean the other is good by any means. A lot of drugs can be just as harmful, if not way more harmful, than alcohol.
The problem with alcohol is that it harms other people much more than it harms you short-term... While it doesn't take a long time to be screwed up or end up in jail if you use, for example, meth.
And alcohol is legal and it barely has social stigma.

[johndoe1112]

dude there is a diffrence between abusive alcoholic and just normal alcoholic the diffrence is they don't hurt people when there drunk and your dad does so that means that everyone who drinks should stop. not going to happen

[LouBerry]

please don't preach

Please don't post if you aren't going to say something intelligent or helpful, as that is pointless and idiotic. What are any of us here for, aside from P101, to rant and preach.

Drinking is fine get smashed like i used to is fun too just not as fun as chilling with friends watching football and drinking some pints

Sure, it's fine. Despite the fact that it kills an estimate of 75,000 people a year due to thing like cancer and cirrhosis of the liver, not to mention car accidents. I mean, damn, why doesn't every one do that?

dude there is a diffrence between abusive alcoholic and just normal alcoholic the diffrence is they don't hurt people when there drunk and your dad does so that means that everyone who drinks should stop. not going to happen

So what. Alcohol hurts everyone it comes into contact with. It'll kill you, if you do it too much. It might make you kill other people, if you let it. It might make you mean, and cause you to hurt someone. It might cause you to be sexually promiscuous which gifts you a horrific disease, or unplanned pregnancy. Maybe it causes you to become depressed and alone, and leads you to jump from a building. Do those sounds fun? No. Alcohol is a poison in more ways than one.

I agree completely, alcohol is a horrific thing and I think wholeheartedly that it should be illegal. It does nothing but harm.

[LifeOfLove]

So what. Alcohol hurts everyone it comes into contact with. It'll kill you, if you do it too much. It might make you kill other people, if you let it. It might make you mean, and cause you to hurt someone. It might cause you to be sexually promiscuous which gifts you a horrific disease, or unplanned pregnancy. Maybe it causes you to become depressed and alone, and leads you to jump from a building. Do those sounds fun? No. Alcohol is a poison in more ways than one.

I agree completely, alcohol is a horrific thing and I think wholeheartedly that it should be illegal. It does nothing but harm.

Uhh, isn't that true for everything? If you drink too much water, it'll kill you. You're friends might make you kill somebody, if you let them. Events in your day/week/month may make you mean, and cause you to hurt somebody.
The biggest issue is when people do it in excess. A little here or there really isn't that bad. Yeah yeah yeah it kills you, so do most things we do. People still drive, that kills people. People ride on airplanes, that kills people. People eat peanuts, and hey that kills people too! If we lived our lives not doing the things that could kill you, there would be nothing to do. Nothing to live for, and no reason to even bother with life. If people want to drink that's their choice. I do believe that it should be in small amounts though, getting hammered or really continuing to drink when you know you are impaired is plane stupid. A small amount here or there, like most things we do, probably isn't the best, but really doesn't hurt anyone.

Smoking and obesity kill waaaaaaaaay more American's a year than drinking does.
Just under 5,000,000 a year for smoking, roughly 3,000,000 for obesity and 120,000 for alcohol. Heck more people are murdered on a yearly basis than those killed by something involving alcohol.
Obesity is killing more, by your logic, this would mean that soda is actually more deadly. Not sure I would believe that, I do think alcohol can be deadly if overused, but statistics show that if you were to be a complete alcoholic, or somebody who can't put down sugar, the sugar is more likely to kill you.

[LouBerry]

Uhh, isn't that true for everything? If you drink too much water, it'll kill you. You're friends might make you kill somebody, if you let them. Events in your day/week/month may make you mean, and cause you to hurt somebody.
The biggest issue is when people do it in excess. A little here or there really isn't that bad. Yeah yeah yeah it kills you, so do most things we do. People still drive, that kills people. People ride on airplanes, that kills people. People eat peanuts, and hey that kills people too! If we lived our lives not doing the things that could kill you, there would be nothing to do. Nothing to live for, and no reason to even bother with life. If people want to drink that's their choice. I do believe that it should be in small amounts though, getting hammered or really continuing to drink when you know you are impaired is plane stupid. A small amount here or there, like most things we do, probably isn't the best, but really doesn't hurt anyone.

Smoking and obesity kill waaaaaaaaay more American's a year than drinking does.
Just under 5,000,000 a year for smoking, roughly 3,000,000 for obesity and 120,000 for alcohol. Heck more people are murdered on a yearly basis than those killed by something involving alcohol.
Obesity is killing more, by your logic, this would mean that soda is actually more deadly. Not sure I would believe that, I do think alcohol can be deadly if overused, but statistics show that if you were to be a complete alcoholic, or somebody who can't put down sugar, the sugar is more likely to kill you.

You need water to live. It's vital to survival. Good thing.
You probably shouldn't have friends that make you kill people, or just don't kill people, it's not really that difficult. Friends in general- Good thing.
I am scared shitless of airplanes, those things are cray and I wouldn't get on one unless I had to, but even that is a good thing, it brings people together and crap.
Don't eat shit you're allergic too, you won't die. Not difficult.

Here's the thing, you're right. If you just sat home in a box afraid of all the things that could kill you, you'd probably kill yourself, because your life would suck. But, lets take a look at alcohol for a moment. People who just have a beer or glass of wine here or there, they aren't doing anything wrong right? I don't have a problem with people who do that at all, Hell, an hour ago my dad and his friends were having a beer while they ate dinner. But, if you aren't going to get drunk, why would you drink? Surely not for the taste, which is horrific. Maybe wine, Scotch, things like that, but if alcohol was consumed, purely for taste, why couldn't it be made non-alcoholic? See my point? And I think that people who waste their lives being slammed are disgusting. You aren't yourself when you're drunk. Even the nicest guy could do something stupid, like get in a truck while a little intoxicated, thinking he's fine, and plow into a mother driving to work, leaving her two young children without a mother. Justify that for me, and I'll take back every word I've said.

Sigh, we're going back to naming off random things again? Alright, Obesity, really? I'm not obese, and I don't necessarily believe in that either. However, if someone wants to kill themselves, that's different that putting innocent lives at risk.

Don't even get me started on smoking. That is the most idiotic thing in the world. I think of it the exact same way I do alcohol, it should be illegal.

[fordgtguy]

75000 people a year is a lot but in the real world its not very much.

[Lofiel]

Moral: Don't get high or drunk near a child. Be responsible.

[johndoe1112]

i just drank 5 beers last night i did not hurt anyone i just sat on my bed and watched with my friends it does not matter what your dad does because not everyone is your dad

[jackthorpe]

drinking is not a good way to cope with anything it is a depressant and this not a good plan

[johndoe1112]

You need water to live. It's vital to survival. Good thing.
You probably shouldn't have friends that make you kill people, or just don't kill people, it's not really that difficult. Friends in general- Good thing.
I am scared shitless of airplanes, those things are cray and I wouldn't get on one unless I had to, but even that is a good thing, it brings people together and crap.
Don't eat shit you're allergic too, you won't die. Not difficult.

Here's the thing, you're right. If you just sat home in a box afraid of all the things that could kill you, you'd probably kill yourself, because your life would suck. But, lets take a look at alcohol for a moment. People who just have a beer or glass of wine here or there, they aren't doing anything wrong right? I don't have a problem with people who do that at all, Hell, an hour ago my dad and his friends were having a beer while they ate dinner. But, if you aren't going to get drunk, why would you drink? Surely not for the taste, which is horrific. Maybe wine, Scotch, things like that, but if alcohol was consumed, purely for taste, why couldn't it be made non-alcoholic? See my point? And I think that people who waste their lives being slammed are disgusting. You aren't yourself when you're drunk. Even the nicest guy could do something stupid, like get in a truck while a little intoxicated, thinking he's fine, and plow into a mother driving to work, leaving her two young children without a mother. Justify that for me, and I'll take back every word I've said.

Sigh, we're going back to naming off random things again? Alright, Obesity, really? I'm not obese, and I don't necessarily believe in that either. However, if someone wants to kill themselves, that's different that putting innocent lives at risk.

Don't even get me started on smoking. That is the most idiotic thing in the world. I think of it the exact same way I do alcohol, it should be illegal.
yeah because Prohibition worked so good right smfh

[LouBerry]

yeah because Prohibition worked so good right smfh

Did I say it would be a good idea? No. You can't jump into change like that. But, I think that the world would be way better off without it.

[lifelies]

Just on a side note.
If you smoke you're going to kill yourself but not other people - don't say crap about second hand smoke because that's exaggerated by Big Pharma... With all the smoking bans, your smoke isn't going to damnage other people.
But with alcohol, you harm everyone (see: car accidents, aggresive behaviors, etc.).
Not everyone's my dad, sure. I don't give a damn if you drank 5 or 50 beers last night. But if you drank 5 or 50 beers every day, all day, to cope with your problems, then that's a problem.
Hell I'd rather smoke weed.

[unknownuser]

I have a similar father... luckily for me, it's not an every day thing, because if it was, I'm sure I'd have been dead a long time.

It has taken a large psychological toll on me, I refuse to be anywhere where I know there were be drinking and drunk people, because I'm paranoid that they're beat the crap out of me or something.

We can't change what others around us do, we can try to reason with them, but if they won't budge, we must make our own right decisions. And if you feel that drinking is not good, then don't do it, because that is the best thing that you can do.

Sorry to hear that you have to put up with this crap...

[everlong]

Drinking alcohol isn't necessarily a bad thing, it depends on how you use it. Drinking alcohol is perfectly fine as long as you drink it in moderation. Moderately drinking alcohol is keeping it to one beer bottle every hour or two, maybe two a day max. Some people abuse the ability to drink alcohol, so they don't drink it moderately. Whether it's to cope, to fit in, or whatever, yes, that will destroy people around you. But there is nothing wrong with people that moderately drink, and it's most definitely better than drugs.

[Karkat]

Eh, quoting myself:

Recreative drinking is fine... if you drink to cope, you are an alcoholic probably.

Coming from an alcoholic, this is false. Alcoholism is either psychological dependance, chemical dependance, or both. It's not just "drinking to solve your problems", that's called abuse, which to be fair is probably what you meant. Just thought I'd clear that one up.

The problem with alcohol is that it harms other people much more than it harms you short-term... While it doesn't take a long time to be screwed up or end up in jail if you use, for example, meth.
And alcohol is legal and it barely has social stigma.

Er, not necessarily. Getting DRUNK has this potential. It doesn't have to, it depends on how you treat others when drunk, and frankly how you treat others when sober as well.

That middle part makes absolutely no sense to me, sorry. You absolutely can go to jail for drinking. Some places have laws against public intoxication. Then of course, if you drink and drive you get a DUI charge if your BAC is over the legal limit.

Also, why not talk about cigarettes- they are FAR more harmful than alcohol. See the thing is that alcohol can be misused, and that's what makes it bad. Cigarettes are literally just awful for you.

Hah, no, you're right. Alcohol itself doesn't have a social stigma really. Alcoholism, however, does. Addicts of any kind have stigma. They're treated as selfish, horrible criminals. They're treated as violent, unintelligent, impulsive losers with no self control or self-respect. If you're young, you're forever branded as a stupid, worthless kid. People think of you, and go "Oh, one of THOSE kids".

They're not treated like they have an illness, and it's awful.

So what. Alcohol hurts everyone it comes into contact with. It'll kill you, if you do it too much. It might make you kill other people, if you let it. It might make you mean, and cause you to hurt someone. It might cause you to be sexually promiscuous which gifts you a horrific disease, or unplanned pregnancy. Maybe it causes you to become depressed and alone, and leads you to jump from a building. Do those sounds fun? No. Alcohol is a poison in more ways than one.

I agree completely, alcohol is a horrific thing and I think wholeheartedly that it should be illegal. It does nothing but harm.

No, alcohol does not hurt everyone it comes into contact with. There are plenty of people out there who can handle alcohol, do not turn into alcoholics, don't really even get drunk. Europeans handle alcohol way better than Americans do as a public.

In all technicality, there is alcohol in most toiletries. There's alcohol in some food additives- ever had vanilla extract? Alcohol is everywhere. Usually it's denatured, but alcohol as a substance is literally everywhere.

Aside from that, alcohol has some health benefits. You can even look it up on the Mayo Clinic website.

Besides, if alcohol was illegal, you'd still have alcohol out there unless it was ENTIRELY prohibited. It would cost individuals fairly large amounts of money they might not have if they're poorer. They would have to get rid of a LOT of household products. The companies that made those products would have to develop entirely new products. Businesses big and small would be hit.

I mean, we all know the US government would not compensate if they made alcohol illegal. They'd just expect us to deal with it or go to jail.

It's just not practical. I mean, look at the prohibition that already HAS happened. And this is nearly a century later.

[Lovecraft]

My dad was an alcoholic too, I can empathize with you and understand your pain.

I like to drink, though. I won't stop drinking because some people react badly to it, and I don't agree with demonizing everyone who drinks. There's also a huge difference between, say, an alcoholic and a social drinker.

It's an interesting point you bring up about wondering why it's illegal. It is indeed objectively worse than a lot of drugs. Strange that it isn't considered a drug in itself by most people.

[Pulp501]

Teens shouldn't be drinking at all, even drinking in moderation can affect our developing brains. It also makes you more likely to abuse it.

[Lovecraft]

Teens shouldn't be drinking at all, even drinking in moderation can affect our developing brains. It also makes you more likely to abuse it.

Meh, I honestly believe that my life would be worse if I didn't drink at all. The legal drinking ages of the world range from 14-21, which makes me sceptical of how bad it really is to drink occasionally/in moderation as a 16/17 year old.

[Pulp501]

Meh, I honestly believe that my life would be worse if I didn't drink at all. The legal drinking ages of the world range from 14-21, which makes me sceptical of how bad it really is to drink occasionally/in moderation as a 16/17 year old.
I mean it's just what most scientific studies have shown. I don't think it is that bad, but it can be. I can't drink at all due to health conditions so it doesn't really matter to me.

[Lovecraft]

I mean it's just what most scientific studies have shown. I don't think it is that bad, but it can be. I can't drink at all due to health conditions so it doesn't really matter to me.

Hey, whatever works for you. I just think that people should be able to make their own decisions regarding drinking/drugs.

[Pulp501]

Hey, whatever works for you. I just think that people should be able to make their own decisions regarding drinking/drugs.
To an extent...if drugs get to a point where it negatively impacts society because everyone is too high to do anything productive then something should happen. I don't think it will ever come to that.

[Karkat]

Meh, I honestly believe that my life would be worse if I didn't drink at all. The legal drinking ages of the world range from 14-21, which makes me sceptical of how bad it really is to drink occasionally/in moderation as a 16/17 year old.

Actually kind of agree with this. (For me personally, I mean.) I'm almost positive that I'd be dead right now had I never drank, which is a little ironic...

[Lovecraft]

Actually kind of agree with this. (For me personally, I mean.) I'm almost positive that I'd be dead right now had I never drank, which is a little ironic...

It's a personal thing. I'm not telling every thirteen year old to go get blackout drunk, I'm just saying that it really does differ from person to person and for some people (like us, it would seem) it can be a genuinely positive experience.

[Karkat]

It's a personal thing. I'm not telling every thirteen year old to go get blackout drunk, I'm just saying that it really does differ from person to person and for some people (like us, it would seem) it can be a genuinely positive experience.

(Once again, it's actually ironic that I say that because, well, I'm an alcoholic. HOWEVER, had I not been able to numb the pain, I would've killed myself. I was already really suicidal at that point.)

(I drank small amounts of alcohol with my family growing up, and I had no problems at all until certain events in my life happened, so had it been different, it would probably be positive for me as well.)

Oh yeah, I understand. I really agree with you, I mean, I know plenty of people out there who like the taste of alcohol but don't feel the need to get drunk, and I know of a fair amount of teenagers who can handle it. It really just varies from person to person. You just have to be smart about how you make your decisions, really, that's what it all boils down to.

[PurpleLips]

i'm sorry,
i both drink alcohol and smoke...
i think its ok if you know your limits:)

[sweet_girl24au]

I can't handle watching people who drink alcohol. My father is an alcoholic. He almost killed me once, and he has ruined my life.
His behaviour caused me, a 15yo, a C-PTSD (Complex posttraumatic stress disorder) comparable to someone who has gone thru child abuse since they were born... which has just worsened my BPD.

If you drink to cope... please stop. It hurts everybody around you. Do other drugs if you want. But don't drink.
It's amazing that it's even legal.

My father is an alcoholic, but it doesnt mean you cant have a few drinks and enjoy it.

[John566]

Honestly I don't think doing drugs instead of alcohol is the right way to go.

[backjruton]

The only alcoholic drinks I ever go for are like... WKD and Bacardi breezer
and I don't drink too much of it either, only 1 or 2 bottles every Saturday which isn't as bad because I don't get drunk and never really want to either

[thewhiteyeezus]

I say everything in moderation, even though i hate alcohol in general cause it tastes like shit, I definitely think people should know their limits. Only reason it still is in stores is because theres too big of a business with alcohol that if we banned it millions would lose their jobs. Seriously though if you havent tried alcohol dont. Youre not missing out on anything

[bob97]

Smoking weed is 100x better than drinking. You can't overdose on weed. You can get alcohol poisoning. Easily. My mom has always said that she doesn't care if I smoke and she'll kill me if I drink.

[Elysium]

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