burning crops

[tovaris]

It is fackt that some countris pay farmers to destroi their crops jist to keep th market value of said crop at a certan level.

What are your opinions on this pointles destruction of food?

[britishboy]

Everyone has food, food is so cheap nobody is without, it is beneficial

[tovaris]

Everyone has food, food is so cheap nobody is without, it is beneficial

Many people round the world are without food.
Food isbrelatively expensive and the price is rising.
People have to go to the red cross for food pakages for gods sake.
Noone benifites from the intentional pointles destruction of food.

[Harry Smith]

Everyone has food, food is so cheap nobody is without, it is beneficial

I'm sorry have you heard of Chad?

[tovaris]

I'm sorry have you heard of Chad?

No need to go that far we can stop just on our dor step and look at the EU not the general condition but the thousands in need of food pakages from the red cross

[LouBerry]

It's stupid. So incredibly stupid. Give the damn food to a homeless shelter or food pantry, and let it be distributed to people who need it. Damn.

[britishboy]

Many people round the world are without food.
Food isbrelatively expensive and the price is rising.
People have to go to the red cross for food pakages for gods sake.
Noone benifites from the intentional pointles destruction of food.

No food is not, it's food if you can't afford that what hope do you have, also think of this, why would a government pay to have something destroyed for no reason?

[tovaris]

No food is not, it's food if you can't afford that what hope do you have, also think of this, why would a government pay to have something destroyed for no reason?

Many people cannot aford food, just the other day i sat acros from this lady who had EU marked provisions in her bag.
Food prices are rising for no good reason.
And what reason is there for destroing something people need!

[britishboy]

Many people cannot aford food, just the other day i sat acros from this lady who had EU marked provisions in her bag.
Food prices are rising for no good reason.
And what reason is there for destroing something people need!

Honestly I don't have a clue why:D but a government will not spend money on burning something for no good reason. We're in the west, who cares about food wastage we have tones of it for everyones tastes

[thatcountrykid]

Honestly there a many people across the world who are too lazy to work and live off of the governments.

[tovaris]

Honestly I don't have a clue why:D but a government will not spend money on burning something for no good reason. We're in the west, who cares about food wastage we have tones of it for everyones tastes

The only reason is artefitial creating of price and intern artefitialy keeping the market at an unnatural level.
PEOPLE care about food shortages, people all acros the world including the west people who dont have anything to eat.

[Cygnus]

No food is not, it's food if you can't afford that what hope do you have, also think of this, why would a government pay to have something destroyed for no reason?

To keep the product scarce and the prices up evidently, when there are people in this planet that do need that food desperately, its being human vs being greedy.

[Southside]

Everyone has food, food is so cheap nobody is without, it is beneficial
Everyone has food? I guess you never heard of Africa or Latin America. Even in our own "Western world" neighborhoods people are starving or struggling to afford food. Some people have to decide between heating their homes or getting a meal.

I just saw you put in a post "We're in the west, who cares about food wastage we have tones of it for everyone's tastes".
33.1 Million AMERICAN Adults and 15.9 Million AMERICAN children live in "food insecure" households, I thought we had "tones" of food for everyone's tastes?

My source: http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/hunger-and-poverty-statistics.aspx

[Lovelife090994]

Everyone has food, food is so cheap nobody is without, it is beneficial

That is the most ignorant thing you can say! Many people are starving and I know food can be expensive even in the "Western World". People in need, need the help of those who are better off. We all should care for more than ourselves.

[britishboy]

Honestly there a many people across the world who are too lazy to work and live off of the governments.

The only reason is artefitial creating of price and intern artefitialy keeping the market at an unnatural level.
PEOPLE care about food shortages, people all acros the world including the west people who dont have anything to eat.

To keep the product scarce and the prices up evidently, when there are people in this planet that do need that food desperately, its being human vs being greedy.

Everyone has food? I guess you never heard of Africa or Latin America. Even in our own "Western world" neighborhoods people are starving or struggling to afford food. Some people have to decide between heating their homes or getting a meal.

I just saw you put in a post "We're in the west, who cares about food wastage we have tones of it for everyone's tastes".
33.1 Million AMERICAN Adults and 15.9 Million AMERICAN children live in "food insecure" households, I thought we had "tones" of food for everyone's tastes?

My source: http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/hunger-and-poverty-statistics.aspx

That is the most ignorant thing you can say! Many people are starving and I know food can be expensive even in the "Western World". People in need, need the help of those who are better off. We all should care for more than ourselves.

Ok firstly is welfare is far too high so nobody is without food in our countries, and as for the third world, they're irrelevant, we burn crops for us not for them.

[Harry Smith]

nobody has food in our countries,

Everyone has food,

Whaaaatt? That's complete bullshit, either that's a typo or you've been smoking some strong shit.

Food poverty is a major problem, as was highlighted above. More and more people are going to food banks because they can't afford food despite working two or more jobs.

Your clearly ignoring the facts on this argument to suit you're bigoted agenda and making such broad incorrect generalizations such as everyone has food just shows the fallacies of your argument

27,000 people were diagnosed as suffering from malnutrition in Leeds

Oxfam and Church Action on Poverty estimate that over 500,000 people in the UK are now reliant on food parcels.

New figures from Citizens Advice show a 78 per cent rise in enquiries about food banks in the past six months.

This shows quite clearly that Britain has a major problem with food poverty

This whole idea that welfare is too high is just well stupid, we've got massive cuts affecting the elderly, ill and disabled. These people should be the first to be protected but the tories are cutting their support which keeps them alive.

And no the third world is relevant to us, we've been milking and abusing it for the last 50 years by encouraging political instability and extreme poverty. You've got such a narrow nationalistic view of the world it's sickening, you need to wake up to the fact that we live in a global community where we need to work, trade and live together. We can't survive being the small island that only cares about itself

[britishboy]

We can survive being the small island that only cares about itself

A typo of your own, welfare is a different topic, anyway long story short, we have food, burning food benefits us, that is why we do it.

[tovaris]

Ok firstly is welfare is far too high so nobody is without food in our countries, and as for the third world, they're irrelevant, we burn crops for us not for them.

If everione has food explane to me why people have to go to the red cross for it?
Oh jeah lets just deny most of humanety the right to live while we are t it!

A typo of your own, welfare is a different topic, anyway long story short, we have food, burning food benefits us, that is why we do it.

Burning it only benifites large coroporations andnthe people that sit on top of them, by inflating the walue of a product.

[Harry Smith]

A typo of your own, welfare is a different topic, anyway long story short, we have food, burning food benefits us, that is why we do it.

Wow talk about an overstatement, saying long story short doesn't make your argument look good in any way- it just makes you look thick

how does burning a valuable resource help us in anyway? People in Britain are dying because of food poverty so how is burning something valuable good? You wouldn't catch the NHS boiling blood would you? Or do you support Britain burning medicine? Crop burning doesn't help anyone in anyway, heck it makes farming less sustainable, it damages the land and it causes people to die from starvation

Your completely ignoring the facts about food poverty, I know your ivory tower is probably nicely stocked with caviar and other pieces of fish genitalia but thousands of people in Britain don't have enough access to cheap food, heck we're supposed to be a 'western' 'first world' country but we can't even feed our own people. Doesn't that annoy you or are you happy for people to starve?

[britishboy]

If everione has food explane to me why people have to go to the red cross for it?
Oh jeah lets just deny most of humanety the right to live while we are t it!


Because it is easier to live off people than work.

Burning it only benifites large coroporations andnthe people that sit on top of them, by inflating the walue of a product.
Yeah, the state pays for the burning so no.

Wow talk about an overstatement, saying long story short doesn't make your argument look good in any way- it just makes you look thick

I would be offended if I valued your opinion.


how does burning a valuable resource help us in anyway? People in Britain are dying because of food poverty so how is burning something valuable good? You wouldn't catch the NHS boiling blood would you? Or do you support Britain burning medicine? Crop burning doesn't help anyone in anyway, heck it makes farming less sustainable, it damages the land and it causes people to die from starvation

There is no lack of food for heavens sake, we have enough to feed everyone on the planet and more, but if that is not getting over to Africa what ays a couple of extra tones will?

Your completely ignoring the facts about food poverty, I know your ivory tower is probably nicely stocked with caviar and other pieces of fish genitalia but thousands of people in Britain don't have enough access to cheap food, heck we're supposed to be a 'western' 'first world' country but we can't even feed our own people. Doesn't that annoy you or are you happy for people to starve?
Caviar is the eggs from fish such as typically the Sturgeon not their genitalia, that is disgusting.

Nobody here is dying as a result of lack of food, welfare more than adequately feeds families, if not why is it being cut, why is there calls to deduce it?

[tovaris]

Because it is easier to live off people than work.

Yeah, the state pays for the burning so no.

Are you SERIOUS there are no jobs, noone is hireing! And the minimumnwage dont get me started on that one you try living for a month with 500 ±€ a month, and pay all the bils for eletricety, wather etc whilst feeding your famely.

Do ypu understand basic economie? The les there is of a certan product on the market thw hier the price, from hi price comes high profit...hence...

[britishboy]

Are you SERIOUS there are no jobs, noone is hireing! And the minimumnwage dont get me started on that one you try living for a month with 500 ±€ a month, and pay all the bils for eletricety, wather etc whilst feeding your famely.

Do ypu understand basic economie? The les there is of a certan product on the market thw hier the price, from hi price comes high profit...hence...

Welfare is adjusted for the number of children, and no I couldn't live off of it, but it is only there to provide the bare minimum for survival.

[tovaris]

Welfare is adjusted for the number of children, and no I couldn't live off of it, but it is only there to provide the bare minimum for survival.

People have to o to charatable organisations for food and you would still keep burning it?
200€± if your lucky to get for unemploiment welfare the number of children wont help much since the money recieved will never cover the cost of food and clothes...
I cannot believe that you would rather destroy foodthan let ots walue be lowerd!

[britishboy]

People have to o to charatable organisations for food and you would still keep burning it?
200€± if your lucky to get for unemploiment welfare the number of children wont help much since the money recieved will never cover the cost of food and clothes...
I cannot believe that you would rather destroy foodthan let ots walue be lowerd!

It is better for everyone to have a stable market.

[tovaris]

It is better for everyone to have a stable market.

It does not stabilise the market it only artefitialy drives prices. You know who else had predetermined prices of crops (but without burning them)? Stalin!
I cant believe that You, a beliver in the Free market rather se it be set up artefitialy... if prices were alowed to flow naturaly down export would become stronger and more people in the country of origin would be able to get the product for a reasnoble price...
Do you think soudy arabia burns oil to drive up the prices? No. And they keep it extremly cheep in their own county too.
You keep ignoring the human factor, you take high prices and profit ower human LIFE! Unbelieavle!

[Harry Smith]

Nobody here is dying as a result of lack of food, welfare more than adequately feeds families, if not why is it being cut, why is there calls to deduce it?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/daniel-pelka-boy-hungry-after-1932178

So yeah people do die as a lack of food, so yeah you're wrong in that statment.

Welfare doesn't feed families if the cost of food, water, electricity and petrol keeps going up, do you understand what inflation is?

I'm sick of your ivory tower politics, we're not all public schoolboys who can live of daddy's tax avoidance to feed ourself, millions of people on welfare work a lot harder then you and me to feed their families. Get of your fucking high horse

Last year, 350,000 people received food parcels from the Trussell Trust Foodbank Network and 43% of those people had to visit a food bank because of cuts or gaps in welfare payments.

Your argument would make sense if food bank use is going down but it's going up which shows that people are in need of the food. Can you for once actually use evidence rather than broad generalized statements which border on idiocy.

Food bank use going up shows that food poverty is an increased problem

Your so naive in that you think that the British government is perfect, just because the government does something doesn't make it good you know. Your blind obedience is bordering upon fanatic nationalism

[britishboy]

It does not stabilise the market it only artefitialy drives prices. You know who else had predetermined prices of crops (but without burning them)? Stalin!
I cant believe that You, a beliver in the Free market rather se it be set up artefitialy... if prices were alowed to flow naturaly down export would become stronger and more people in the country of origin would be able to get the product for a reasnoble price...
Do you think soudy arabia burns oil to drive up the prices? No. And they keep it extremly cheep in their own county too.
You keep ignoring the human factor, you take high prices and profit ower human LIFE! Unbelieavle!

That is a point I over looked, the artificial side.... I guess as a strong believer I privatisation I oppose it then.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/daniel-pelka-boy-hungry-after-1932178

So yeah people do die as a lack of food

I thought I wouldn't reply to your latest jealousy rant however I thought I would point out a child being abused and starved is a different issue.

[tovaris]

That is a point I over looked, the artificial side.... I guess as a strong believer I privatisation I oppose it then.



I thought I wouldn't reply to your latest jealousy rant however I thought I would point out a child being abused and starved is a different issue.

Seriously the market aspekt is what convinced you, not the human part?
The point here is that people dont have enouth money for bread and they burn whaet... that is what consernes me.

[Harry Smith]

That is a point I over looked, the artificial side.... I guess as a strong believer I privatisation I oppose it then.



I thought I wouldn't reply to your latest jealousy rant however I thought I would point out a child being abused and starved is a different issue.

I assure you I'm not jealous, I'm perfectly content with my life- I've got a house, an education and a family- that's all I need.

My point was that you had a factual error in your argument in stating that children don't starve to death because the cause of death of that child was in fact starvation.

You've still failed to argue the point about food banks, get off your nationalistic high horse and accept that food poverty is an issue...

[Cygnus]

Your completely ignoring the facts about food poverty, I know your ivory tower is probably nicely stocked with caviar and other pieces of fish genitalia but thousands of people in Britain don't have enough access to cheap food, heck we're supposed to be a 'western' 'first world' country but we can't even feed our own people. Doesn't that annoy you or are you happy for people to starve?

Harry, no personal insults please. Thank you.

Ok firstly is welfare is far too high so nobody is without food in our countries, and as for the third world, they're irrelevant, we burn crops for us not for them.

Do not be so sure about that, and the third world IS relevant, instead of helping them you burn food that could feed them? Come on, you have to be human and help those that actually do need the food.

[Vlerchan]

It saddens me to think someone could actually defend the burning of crops in order to keep market prices at their current level - which is actually high considering the output we could be producing. There is 21,000 people dying every day due to starvation or a hunger related diseases (SOURCE) (http://www.poverty.com/) and whilst you may remark 'lolpoorpeople' I find the statistics absolutely sickening.

[britishboy]

Harry, no personal insults please. Thank you.



Do not be so sure about that, and the third world IS relevant, instead of helping them you burn food that could feed them? Come on, you have to be human and help those that actually do need the food.
I agree we should help, give to charities etc however please tackle root problems, we can never afford to just feed everyone that needs food instead we should tackle the problems causing it.
I assure you I'm not jealous, I'm perfectly content with my life- I've got a house, an education and a family- that's all I need.


Then stop bringing up my wealth, it is irrelevant and you are trying to make me look bad, it's unprofessional.

[Harry Smith]

I agree we should help, give to charities etc however please tackle root problems, we can never afford to just feed everyone that needs food instead we should tackle the problems causing it.


Then stop bringing up my wealth, it is irrelevant and you are trying to make me look bad, it's unprofessional.

I don't get paid to do this man-there is nothing proffesional about posting on a forum, if you want to tackle the root causes google what countries controlled Africa in the 19th century and raped it of any value

[britishboy]

I don't get paid to do this man-there is nothing proffesional about posting on a forum, if you want to tackle the root causes google what countries controlled Africa in the 19th century and raped it of any value

ok act more mature then, ok that did cause it yes but today it is corruption and hardcore violence

[Harry Smith]

ok act more mature then, ok that did cause it yes but today it is corruption and hardcore violence

There's corruption and hardcore violence in Jamaica, that's got one of the highest murder rates in the world and they don't have a major food problem.

The people to blame for the today is the TNC's that go over their and force people to work for terrible wages which amount to near slavery or companies like Nestle like that get young children addicted to their products.

[britishboy]

There's corruption and hardcore violence in Jamaica, that's got one of the highest murder rates in the world and they don't have a major food problem.

The people to blame for the today is the TNC's that go over their and force people to work for terrible wages which amount to near slavery or companies like Nestle like that get young children addicted to their products.

Jamaica is small abd eats homegrown food, what works/ damages one country dosent mean it would be the same for another country.

The corruption and crime are certainly factors but them being taken advantage of is defiantly up there also

[Harry Smith]

Jamaica is small abd eats homegrown food, what works/ damages one country dosent mean it would be the same for another country.

The corruption and crime are certainly factors but them being taken advantage of is defiantly up there also

Africa can quite easily grow it's own crops, countries like Tanzania and Kenya (in the 90's) show that an African economic model works.

All we can do to stop corruption is cut off support to African dictators and rebel groups, we funded a rebel group in Angola for 20 years which encouraged violence and torture. Stop sending arms to dictators in Africa and we'll be able to reduce violence in the region.

So you can see how it all links back to the western influence on Africa

[britishboy]

Africa can quite easily grow it's own crops, countries like Tanzania and Kenya (in the 90's) show that an African economic model works.

All we can do to stop corruption is cut off support to African dictators and rebel groups, we funded a rebel group in Angola for 20 years which encouraged violence and torture. Stop sending arms to dictators in Africa and we'll be able to reduce violence in the region.

So you can see how it all links back to the western influence on Africa

I agree everything I can think of stems back to us, so tackle them root causes, I suggest a military intervention everywhere wiping out terrorism and dictators, encourage them to adopt laws stopping them from being taken advantage of and seize all farm land to grow crops for food, your opinions on this?

[Harry Smith]

I agree everything I can think of stems back to us, so tackle them root causes, I suggest a military intervention everywhere wiping out terrorism and dictators, encourage them to adopt laws stopping them from being taken advantage of and seize all farm land to grow crops for food, your opinions on this?

I think a joint African defense corp with a UN mandate would work because I can't see american troops being popular in Zimbabwe but I agree that tough actions needed to be taken in Africa but western troops wouldn't do any good except it was needed, it would just make them hate us even more,

You do know you're advocating communist land reforms right? Something I 100% agree with, give the land back to the Africans rather than big western TNC's like tesco and allow the Africans to develop products from this

[britishboy]

I think a joint African defense corp with a UN mandate would work because I can't see american troops being popular in Zimbabwe but I agree that tough actions needed to be taken in Africa but western troops wouldn't do any good except it was needed, it would just make them hate us even more,

You do know you're advocating communist land reforms right? Something I 100% agree with, give the land back to the Africans rather than big western TNC's like tesco and allow the Africans to develop products from this

UN not NATO, I agree, everyone trusts the UN, ideally the US would be kept out:D

Yes I do, I think nobody eatting is more than enough justification to seize the land, you know like we did with D.O.R.A?

[tovaris]

I agree everything I can think of stems back to us, so tackle them root causes, I suggest a military intervention everywhere wiping out terrorism and dictators, encourage them to adopt laws stopping them from being taken advantage of and seize all farm land to grow crops for food, your opinions on this?

Military intervention! Are you serious! Has the anglosacson race lerned nothing from Bosnia, Vietnam, Afganistan....
Let the f.... be and stop exploting them, thats the root cause.

[TheBionicWorm]

Burning crops can be both good and bad depending on the situation. Of course it is wasting food that people need but in some rare cases such as the Great Depression producing less food helped get the economy kickstarted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Adjustment_Act

[britishboy]

Military intervention! Are you serious! Has the anglosacson race lerned nothing from Bosnia, Vietnam, Afganistan....
Let the f.... be and stop exploting them, thats the root cause.

Look at the French intervention in Mali, we can let them be ruled ny dictatorships and under threat of terrorism

[tovaris]

Look at the French intervention in Mali, we can let them be ruled ny dictatorships and under threat of terrorism

No country should be invaded by a foren power! Ever!

[britishboy]

No country should be invaded by a foren power! Ever!

And what's your suggestion? Ask the all powerful dictatorships to step down? the terroristS full of hate to stop? And not invaded just go in, take out the problem, then leave.

[tovaris]

And what's your suggestion? Ask the all powerful dictatorships to step down? the terroristS full of hate to stop? And not invaded just go in, take out the problem, then leave.

There is never the case of just take out a problem and leave.
And there is alwais a diplomatic solution

[britishboy]

There is never the case of just take out a problem and leave.
And there is alwais a diplomatic solution

No, was Hitler diplomatic? no. no dictator is, we must take out the problem

[Harry Smith]

And what's your suggestion? Ask the all powerful dictatorships to step down? the terroristS full of hate to stop? And not invaded just go in, take out the problem, then leave.

In all fairness that's what Bush said in 2001 about Afghanistan and we've been stuck there for the last 12 years. We've got dictatorships in Saudi Arabia, North Korea and Beirut, we can't invade all of them.

The answer is an African solution to an African problem albeit aided by the UN, an African defense force with troops from all African nations that are democratic and have a decent HDI.

No, was Hitler diplomatic? no. no dictator is, we must take out the problem

Syria showed that we can negotiate with dictator, we negotiated about the gas rather than attacking. Hitler was actually a master of diplomacy

heck we talk to the Saudi's every day and they're ruled solely by one family and don't have elections. We need to open up dialogue with these dictators and try and solve the problems, look what happened when America shut of Cuba

[tovaris]

No, was Hitler diplomatic? no. no dictator is, we must take out the problem

Hitler started a war, thes countries are not waging wars with us. And hitles actuly got half of chekoslovakoa with diplomacy alone...

[britishboy]

In all fairness that's what Bush said in 2001 about Afghanistan and we've been stuck there for the last 12 years. We've got dictatorships in Saudi Arabia, North Korea and Beirut, we can't invade all of them.

The answer is an African solution to an African problem albeit aided by the UN, an African defense force with troops from all African nations that are democratic and have a decent HDI.

I don't care who takes out the terrorists but it should be done, I wish we would take on Saudi Arabia, I'm fed up with being friends with them just because of oil, we're ment to be the worlds police and what we're doing there is corrupt.

[Harry Smith]

I don't care who takes out the terrorists but it should be done, I wish we would take on Saudi Arabia, I'm fed up with being friends with them just because of oil, we're ment to be the worlds police and what we're doing there is corrupt.

We're not the worlds police, that's the UN's job not Britain- if we did that it would be a war crime and make us no better than the Germans in 1939 or the Americans in the 80's. We can't even afford it if we wanted to

We have no legal right to declare war on Saudi Arabia, we'd be breaking nearly every single international law there is and our governement would be in Jail. We've funded terrorism abroad- by your theory Cuba has the right to invade us

FLv8c2nlF0E

Watch this, it's a bit old but sums up my ideas perfectly

[tovaris]

I don't care who takes out the terrorists but it should be done, I wish we would take on Saudi Arabia, I'm fed up with being friends with them just because of oil, we're ment to be the worlds police and what we're doing there is corrupt.

Noone is ment to be the worlds police, the world can run itself you know...

[britishboy]

Noone is ment to be the worlds police, the world can run itself you know...

Yeah great with women not able to drive, torture and gays being hung, heck isn't our world beautiful.

[tovaris]

Yeah great with women not able to drive, torture and gays being hung, heck isn't our world beautiful.

Thanks to colonialism, and nuke threats, and alience betrails its evem more beautiful.
Buding IN can only mage things worse, diplomatical solution is the only answer...
A few more examples of the all great world police filosofie:
Kosovo
Triest
Iraq
Izrael
...

[Harry Smith]

Yeah great with women not able to drive, torture and gays being hung, heck isn't our world beautiful.

That doesn't justify us invading Saudi Arabia you know, how would you feel if they invaded us for promoting 'unislamic' ideas? I doubt you would be very happy, we can't just invade every country we disagree with we tried that in the 1800's

FLv8c2nlF0E

[tovaris]

Burning crops can be both good and bad depending on the situation. Of course it is wasting food that people need but in some cases such as the Great Depression producing less food helped get the economy kickstarted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Adjustment_Act

Food should always be plentifule and noone should go hungry, no mather the economic wiew.