What makes a gay guy gay? [Archive]

Luminous

November 22nd, 2013, 03:30 PM

I have heard that it is something about the chemicals in the brain, of course I don't know why these things happen, but really there are a lot of scientific (etc) things that happen that humankind can't explain. I don't like your (OP) theory though. It's a huge stereotype that gay people act like the opposite gender, and it's not true. I'm extremely girly and extremely gay. Yes, some homesexual people are like the opposite sex but it's wrong to say all do. That would also not explain, for example, a metrosexual.. A guy who is girly but is also heterosexual.
I didnt say it was wrong to be gay

What do you think makes a person like the 'wrong' gender

^^Just thought I would point that out.. No, you didn't say it was wrong to be gay exactly, just that gay people like the wrong gender.

Harry Smith

November 22nd, 2013, 03:32 PM

I'm sorry but there is nothing wrong about a guy liking another guy, heck this is why it's about gay rights because you've got people slandering gays for being wrong or immoral. There is nothing wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.It's pretty silly to narrow it down to just males as well, women can be homosexual as well.

You can have a scientist or a shrink go threw my thoughts and brains and try and work out why I like guys the answer is because I find them attractive to live with, be with and love with. That's pretty much it, why the fuck does it matter?

What do you think makes a person like the 'wrong' gender

The scientific evidence that you quote is also pretty sketchy at best, you can't simply state that it's been proven because well it hasn't been conclusively proven has it?

CosmicNoodle

November 22nd, 2013, 04:08 PM

"wrong" was very poor wording but I see what you mean.
I don't know what make's someone gay, I suppose it is the same as "Why do you like strawberry's?". You juts like it. It is surprising, but we know very little about what makes our own brain tick.

Human

November 22nd, 2013, 04:25 PM

He put wrong within '' to show that it he didn't mean it that way I assume...
I don't think it's anything to do with brain chemistry, it's simply the way you are, like Joe1997x3 said, I don't know why I like stilton cheese so much, I was born that way

teen.jpg

November 22nd, 2013, 04:28 PM

I didnt say it was wrong to be gay and what do you think makes a guy gay?

I didn't say that's what you said. But that's exactly what you were implying.

What makes a gay guy gay? His interest in men? Isn't that all that matters?

tovaris

November 22nd, 2013, 04:55 PM

DNA? Enviormental factors? Development of a fetus in the woond?...
Je ne sais pas...

sqishy

November 22nd, 2013, 05:04 PM

Laquifa

November 22nd, 2013, 05:04 PM

I'm sorry but there is nothing wrong about a guy liking another guy, heck this is why it's about gay rights because you've got people slandering gays for being wrong or immoral. There is nothing wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.It's pretty silly to narrow it down to just males as well, women can be homosexual as well.

You can have a scientist or a shrink go threw my thoughts and brains and try and work out why I like guys the answer is because I find them attractive to live with, be with and love with. That's pretty much it, why the fuck does it matter?

The scientific evidence that you quote is also pretty sketchy at best, you can't simply state that it's been proven because well it hasn't been conclusively proven has it?

Essentially all of this. Very well stated Harry.

britishboy

November 22nd, 2013, 05:07 PM

I didn't say that's what you said. But that's exactly what you were implying.

What makes a gay guy gay? His interest in men? Isn't that all that matters?

that's all that matters but I think it would be interesting to know more, it's shocking how little we know of the brain

Being gay I have no more of an idea than straight people. I'd put it down to one or a mix of genes, environment, hormones and brain electrochemical activity. It's like the nature-versus-nurture idea. I don't mind and actually would be interested with scientists trying to find the reason of why we are the way we are, because defining one sexual orientation will define the others.

I agree however I'm sceptical on the environmental factors, while men turning gay in prisons supports the thery I think there is at least more on the brain side.

I also agree theres nothing homophobic with the research, person A likes the opposite sex and person B likes the same, thats quite a big difference when you think about it and it should be explored

But I don't agree with the 'wrong' gender idea. Love is love. You fall in love with a person, not a gender. If anything all kinds of love/sexuality are not wrong at all. Heterosexuality/love is the one that creates a new generation, one of the many other kinds of sexuality.
Why so much unnecessary harm comes from reactions to different forms of love, idk. Love is to be embraced, not hated.

Our bodies are designed to reproduce naturally with the opposite gender so in a sence it is wrong but not a problem, thats why I put the wrong in quotation marks, it dosent matter.

Harry Smith

November 22nd, 2013, 05:12 PM

that's all that matters but I think it would be interesting to know more, it's shocking how little we know of the brain

Then how come we don't explore why people are straight?

If you want to explore the brain then they're are much better studies to do rather than sexuality.

This always links back to the fucking idea about is it or is it not a choice, and then some crack pot scientist releases a study and suddenly every single homophobe, fundamentalist and bigot is using it to peddle hate.

Why does it matter why guys love guy or girls love girls? Gay people aren't some sort of a freak show attraction which have to be poked and tested to find out our evil ways just let it be

britishboy

November 22nd, 2013, 05:21 PM

Then how come we don't explore why people are straight?

If you want to explore the brain then they're are much better studies to do rather than sexuality.

This always links back to the fucking idea about is it or is it not a choice, and then some crack pot scientist releases a study and suddenly every single homophobe, fundamentalist and bigot is using it to peddle hate.

Why does it matter why guys love guy or girls love girls? Gay people aren't some sort of a freak show attraction which have to be poked and tested to find out our evil ways just let it be

I do think your over exaggerating things and seeing things that are not there.

Harry Smith

November 22nd, 2013, 05:31 PM

I do think your over exaggerating things and seeing things that are not there.

Not really, I'm expressing the problems with this and with your argument,rather than accuse me of exaggerating maybe you should try and counter the argument you know?

In regards to the Prison comment- men do not 'turn' gay in prison, they use gay rape to exert power over people not for the sexual pleasure, the neo-nazis that rape blacks are not gay- so yeah the whole prison theory is pretty much whack. Watch American X and you'll see. Raping a man in Prison does not make you homosexual

I don't understand the need to find out about it, why the fuck does it matter? Can't we just get on with our lives and not worry about such fucking trival matters.

Oh yeah- homosexuality is not wrong in any way.

I'll ask the same question I ask every time on this issue, what makes you straight?

britishboy

November 22nd, 2013, 05:50 PM

In regards to the Prison comment- men do not 'turn' gay in prison, they use gay rape to exert power over people not for the sexual pleasure, the neo-nazis that rape blacks are not gay- so yeah the whole prison theory is pretty much whack. Watch American X and you'll see. Raping a man in Prison does not make you homosexual

Yeah lets gay rape 'cos your straight and bored #YOLO Oh and if you read I'm actually against the environmental theory
I don't understand the need to find out about it, why the fuck does it matter? Can't we just get on with our lives and not worry about such fucking trival matters.
Because it is something we don't know? Also in general better understanding of the brain is desperately needed.

I'll ask the same question I ask every time on this issue, what makes you straight?
I don't know? Although I guess chemical coding?

Harry Smith

November 22nd, 2013, 06:00 PM

Yeah lets gay rape 'cos your straight and bored #YOLO Oh and if you read I'm actually against the environmental theory

Because it is something we don't know? Also in general better understanding of the brain is desperately needed.

I don't know? Although I guess chemical coding?

Oh wow, I thought YOLO died about 2 years.

' Everything in life is about sex, except for sex, sex is about power' that pretty much sums up gay prison rape, they do it to exert power and dominance not because they want a shag- having gay sex doesn't make you gay- see Elton John for the flip side of that argument.

Why is better understanding needed for homosexuality? It's not a disease, or an addiction so why do we need to know what causes it?

The basic answer to the question what makes a gay guy gay is being gay or out of personal experience something like this pretty much sums up why I'm gay

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LouBerry

November 22nd, 2013, 06:02 PM

Ok first of all this is unrelated to gay marriage and gay rights/ equality

What do you think makes a person like the 'wrong' gender, there are many theories my personal one is that gay minds are closer to the opposite sexes mind (that has been proven) and that is what makes then gay however the question still remains what made the mind like that? There are many theories, what do you think?

There is all kinds of wrong here, and I'm sure most of them have been pointed out, but I'm going to point them out again.

"Wrong gender" that's crap. It's just liking someone. Two people, who like each other. No gender and sexuality nonsense about it.

As for that theory, I really hope you aren't insinuating that gay guys/girls are gay because they are too "feminine" or "masculine" for their gender. That's complete malarkey. Plenty of guys aren't super tough and I don't know, play in dirt and stuff and still like girls, and plenty of girls who don't wear make up and wear dresses like boys. Plus, what is a mind exactly? The male brain and female brain are quite similar, except for overall size and the hippocampus. So surely you don't mean that gay people are gay because they developed the brain of the opposite gender?
But, if by mind, you mean personality and thought process and all of that, that can't really be correct either. Each person has a different thought process, so you can't really base anything off of that. Dear God please tell me you aren't basing it all off stereotypes.

Now, what made the mind think like what exactly? It's attraction. Love. Maybe lust. All the "normal" things. Why does a man think like that towards a woman or vice versa. It's just how you are. Why does there have to be a cause?

tovaris

November 22nd, 2013, 06:04 PM

Oh wow, I thought YOLO died about 2 years.

' Everything in life is about sex, except for sex, sex is about power' that pretty much sums up gay prison rape, they do it to exert power and dominance not because they want a shag- having gay sex doesn't make you gay- see Elton John for the flip side of that argument.

Why is better understanding needed for homosexuality? It's not a disease, or an addiction so why do we need to know what causes it?

The basic answer to the question what makes a gay guy gay is being gay or in the majority of cases

I think what BB is triing to say that a better understanding of the human condition is necesery. And how can we understand echother if we do not know what makes us tick? By understanding any specific detail of the human condition being homosexualety or whatever it contributes to the bigger picture.

britishboy

November 22nd, 2013, 06:06 PM

Oh wow, I thought YOLO died about 2 years.

no it's still going strong:D

' Everything in life is about sex, except for sex, sex is about power' that pretty much sums up gay prison rape, they do it to exert power and dominance not because they want a shag- having gay sex doesn't make you gay- see Elton John for the flip side of that argument.

Isn't Elton John gay? and I do still noy believe in the environmental theory so again your wasting your time writing

Why is better understanding needed for homosexuality? It's not a disease, or an addiction so why do we need to know what causes it?

because more information would be appreciated, do you not what to know why you are a minority, everyone makes gay jokes or thinks they know it all but the fact is no one does and we should.

I think what BB is triing to say that a better understanding of the human condition is necesery. And how can we understand echother if we do not know what makes us tick? By understanding any specific detail of the human condition being homosexualety or whatever it contributes to the bigger picture.

Hit the nail on the head:P oh and I'll listen to the song later:D

Harry Smith

November 22nd, 2013, 06:11 PM

no it's still going strong:D

Isn't Elton John gay? and I do still noy believe in the environmental theory so again your wasting your time writing

because more information would be appreciated, do you not what to know why you are a minority, everyone makes gay jokes or thinks they know it all but the fact is no one does and we should.

Hit the nail on the head:P oh and I'll listen to the song later:D

do you not what to know why you are a minority, everyone makes gay jokes or thinks they know it all but the fact is no one does and we should.

I just well, I don't even know anymore.

I know why I'm a minority... because I'm gay.

People make gay jokes for the same reason they make black, jewish or sexist jokes. Some sort of poppycock pseudo science wouldn't change a thing. People have known for the last 10 years that homosexuality isn't a choice yet that hasn't stopped homophobic behavior has it?

As I said you can spend 100 years looking for a answer when it's quite simple.

Guys are gay because they find other guys attractive. That's it, no need for the Spanish Inquisition. I'm happy with my sexually, I've accept my sexuality and we should simply leave it at that. There's no need to hook electrons up to my head, or to carry out a two day public inquiry. As I said before homosexuality is not a disease, or a addiction, or a problem.

Twilly F. Sniper

November 22nd, 2013, 06:17 PM

It is a simple question with a simple answer. We are simply attracted to the same sex.

Gigablue

November 22nd, 2013, 06:29 PM

Guys are gay because they find other guys attractive. That's it, no need for the Spanish Inquisition. I'm happy with my sexually, I've accept my sexuality and we should simply leave it at that. There's no need to hook electrons up to my head, or to carry out a two day public inquiry. As I said before homosexuality is not a disease, or a addiction, or a problem.

I think it's generally good to know as much as possible. Homosexuality is an interesting phenomenon that, while not pathological, is statistically uncommon. I think understanding it will help us understand more about human sexuality in general. Basically, we should study it because it is an interesting trait.

The causes of homosexuality are quite complicated. There is definitely some genetic factor, but how much of a role genes play is still unknown. Prenatal hormone levels also play a big part, especially for men. There could theoretically be some environmental cause, though none have been found.

Basically, the science is still ongoing and more studies are needed. What we can say conclusively is that it isn't a choice, and appears to be caused mainly by genes and hormones.

Harry Smith

November 22nd, 2013, 06:34 PM

I think it's generally good to know as much as possible. Homosexuality is an interesting phenomenon that, while not pathological, is statistically uncommon. I think understanding it will help us understand more about human sexuality in general. Basically, we should study it because it is an interesting trait.

The causes of homosexuality are quite complicated. There is definitely some genetic factor, but how much of a role genes play is still unknown. Prenatal hormone levels also play a big part, especially for men. There could theoretically be some environmental cause, though none have been found.

Basically, the science is still ongoing and more studies are needed. What we can say conclusively is that it isn't a choice, and appears to be caused mainly by genes and hormones.

But what does finding out actually achieve apart from further knowledge? The idea that the answer would stop homophobic behavior is absurd.

The problem I also have is the bigotry and ugliness that is associated with this whole debate about homosexuality, it feels that through this in the majority of cases homosexuality is trying to be marginalized

britishboy

November 22nd, 2013, 06:41 PM

Guys are gay because they find other guys attractive. That's it, no need for the Spanish Inquisition. I'm happy with my sexually, I've accept my sexuality and we should simply leave it at that. There's no need to hook electrons up to my head, or to carry out a two day public inquiry. As I said before homosexuality is not a disease, or a addiction, or a problem.
Ok, I have hazel eyes, I know why, I don't need to but it's there to find out, if your not interested, don't keep updated on the research but there's nothing wrong with knowing more the better, and knowing how brains are wired could help potentially a lot, nobody should be offended by the research.
I think it's generally good to know as much as possible. Homosexuality is an interesting phenomenon that, while not pathological, is statistically uncommon. I think understanding it will help us understand more about human sexuality in general. Basically, we should study it because it is an interesting trait.

The causes of homosexuality are quite complicated. There is definitely some genetic factor, but how much of a role genes play is still unknown. Prenatal hormone levels also play a big part, especially for men. There could theoretically be some environmental cause, though none have been found.

Basically, the science is still ongoing and more studies are needed. What we can say conclusively is that it isn't a choice, and appears to be caused mainly by genes and hormones.
I agree

sqishy

November 22nd, 2013, 06:44 PM

Our bodies are designed to reproduce naturally with the opposite gender so in a sence it is wrong but not a problem, thats why I put the wrong in quotation marks, it dosent matter.

Our bodies are designed from the process of evolution, which can only happen with sexual reproduction, obviously heterosexual.

Homosexuality is a mutation from the classic view of evolution. Mutations play a key part in evolution, the ones that benefit the species by random new helpful variations coming about. Mutations not beneficial in helping pass on genes, such as homosexuality, die out, and therefore do not form a part in evolution. But the same random mutations randomly come about again, as they are random and happen by chance eventually. Homosexuality could well be a feature that is isolated, as it continuously comes about and disappears again, having no chance to get past even one generation, because it is biologically not possible anyways.

Homosexuality therefore has no use and therefore no relevance in evolution (at least the classical view of it). What has no relevance to evolution cannot be viewed as 'wrong' or 'right' as it can't play a wrong or right role in evolution as it never had a role in the first place, the role here being the way our bodies were designed for reproduction!

Our bodies are designed for heterosexuality because it's the only way that the body can be designed in any way, because that's how evolution works, not because there were designed against homosexuality. Homosexuality is not 'wrong' because there was never a 'right' to being with, as it was never and could never be an option anyways.

Our bodies' reproductive systems are designed for reproducing. Once they fulfill their purpose (and most of the population is doing just that, therefore securing the next generation of our species reliably, no matter how many homosexuals there are), we are free to do what we want with them. The genes were passed on, job done. Homosexuality is isolated and therefore cannot spread. And as it cannot pass on genes, there are no genes being passed that would interfere with our evolution, if they would anyways.

No relevance: no options : no right or wrong.

Anyways, Homosexuality exists in hundreds of species including our own. It's not a modern thing, rather something that has always been around as part of our species (as all mutations are). Something being wrong implies it is causing a problem. If homosexuality was wrong, it would be causing a hell lot of problems over the course of our species that it has always been with.

You might think that homosexuality is the root of HIV/AIDS, but its only because gay sexual intercourse is practically limited to oral and anal sex. Those kinds of intercourse are more likely to pass on STIs than vaginal sex. Homosexuality cannot be seen as wrong because of this, because straight sexual intercourse can still do anal and oral and vaginal, it's just that overall it has a smaller chance of transmitting STIs because vaginal is done more often.
And this problems is stoppable with condoms and education, relatively not that hard to do.

This is really long, but trying to get my point across.

Gigablue

November 22nd, 2013, 06:45 PM

But what does finding out actually achieve apart from further knowledge? The idea that the answer would stop homophobic behavior is absurd.

The problem I also have is the bigotry and ugliness that is associated with this whole debate about homosexuality, it feels that through this in the majority of cases homosexuality is trying to be marginalized

No, it won't stop bigotry. But is still think we should study it. Learning more about the human condition is a generally good thing. We could also learn more about human sexuality in general. There is value in knowledge for knowledge's sake.

I do agree that homosexuality is often marginalized when people are talking about it, and I think that is a mistake. I hope people will eventually realize that it is a perfectly healthy, natural trait. I don't necessarily think that knowing its causes will speed this up, but it can't hurt the process, and it helps science gain a more complete perspective.

Lovelife090994

November 22nd, 2013, 10:11 PM

Okay, back up, here I am confused about myself, and very Christian spiritually despite my lack of churchgoing and even I am appalled by your rebarbative wording! "Wrong" gender? I do not even agree with homosexuality but I would never call them wrong to their face. You, how, what, ugh, I don't understand. This urks me. Let two people be in love and live, wrong or not, just let them be.

The Trendy Wolf

November 22nd, 2013, 10:32 PM

I didnt say it was wrong to be gay and what do you think makes a guy gay?

By stating the word "wrong" you were saying that what society chooses to believe is automatically the correct thing to do. This is very clearly not rational, and by doing so you were saying that it is weird to be gay, even though it is prevalent in nearly all animal species in the world, and there truly isn't anything "wrong" with being different just because it isn't "normal" according to society.

teen.jpg

November 23rd, 2013, 01:16 AM

that's all that matters but I think it would be interesting to know more, it's shocking how little we know of the brain

I agree however I'm sceptical on the environmental factors, while men turning gay in prisons supports the thery I think there is at least more on the brain side.

I also agree theres nothing homophobic with the research, person A likes the opposite sex and person B likes the same, thats quite a big difference when you think about it and it should be explored

Our bodies are designed to reproduce naturally with the opposite gender so in a sence it is wrong but not a problem, thats why I put the wrong in quotation marks, it dosent matter.

Guess what bro ... I'm not a damn science experiment. Its not a necessary thing to do, or to any gay person in general.

Oh wow, I thought YOLO died about 2 years.

' Everything in life is about sex, except for sex, sex is about power' that pretty much sums up gay prison rape, they do it to exert power and dominance not because they want a shag- having gay sex doesn't make you gay- see Elton John for the flip side of that argument.

Why is better understanding needed for homosexuality? It's not a disease, or an addiction so why do we need to know what causes it?

The basic answer to the question what makes a gay guy gay is being gay or out of personal experience something like this pretty much sums up why I'm gay

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Hey! At least make it a recent picture :lol:

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Trenton_

November 23rd, 2013, 02:34 AM

i see nothing wrong with learning why people are gay or straight.
gays say they were born that way, so it's probably at least part genetic.
not sure where it fits in with evolution as one guy was saying, but it must
fit somehow because we have gay people

ksdnfkfr

November 23rd, 2013, 02:52 AM

First of all if sexuality was based solely on reproduction,
people and animals would not have such an urge to masturbate.
Most orgasms of heterosexuals happen outside of intercourse.
Second of all homosexuality is not a neurological disorder or anomaly.

Abyssal Echo

November 23rd, 2013, 03:10 AM

I have no idea what makes a gay guy gay.
All I can come up with is more questions.
was I born that way ?
Is it I was wired to be that way ?
was it because of a lack of a solid male role model ?
is it because I've been molested more times then I can or want to count ?
All I can say is it is what it is I've accepted it and am moving on with life.

Jess

November 23rd, 2013, 03:20 AM

It's not just guys...what about lesbians (girls) too? Anyways...what makes a STRAIGHT person STRAIGHT? It's just the way we are, straight, bi, gay, whatever.

britishboy

November 23rd, 2013, 04:36 AM

what makes a STRAIGHT person STRAIGHT? It's just the way we are, straight, bi, gay, whatever.

it's not homophobic to discuss the brain think of it like this person A likes the opposite gender and person B likes the same, thats a big difference and would be nice if they could explain it, do you not wonder?

Harry Smith

November 23rd, 2013, 05:35 AM

it's not homophobic to discuss the brain think of it like this person A likes the opposite gender and person B likes the same, thats a big difference and would be nice if they could explain it, do you not wonder?

No but what you do is extremely homophobic, you assign rather out dated stereotypes about gay people, you've described them as liking the wrong gender and you've always made several comments in the past which are extremely homophobic, so I don't really want a lecture of homophobic actions.

Why do we constantly look for such fucking petty differences, heck it's just love- I don't see you suggesting that we test people who don't to drink coffee or people who like football. I'm not saying homosexuality is a trivial as this I'm saying that's it just one part of personality.

britishboy

November 23rd, 2013, 06:08 AM

Why do we constantly look for such fucking petty differences, heck it's just love- I don't see you suggesting that we test people who don't to drink coffee or people who like football. I'm not saying homosexuality is a trivial as this I'm saying that's it just one part of personality.
I'm not just suggesting we research this, we should research everything about the brain, do you disagree? also you have never answered, what do you think made you gay, or me straight?

Harry Smith

November 23rd, 2013, 06:18 AM

I'm not just suggesting we research this, we should research everything about the brain, do you disagree? also you have never answered, what do you think made you gay, or me straight?

You do know that research isn't as simple as finding out, if we were to find 'everything' about the brain it would take about 200 years because we don't have the technology, resources or skill to learn about 'everything' in the brain- that's an extremely broad range.

There is no one answer, heck have you seen how fucking complex sexuality is, there's probably about 10,000 different reasons including your environment, your development, your development and well many more different things.

It's not as simple as saying person X is gay because of they have Y gene in their DNA, I'm gay because I'm gay, it is what it is. As both I and several others had said we don't know and personally I don't care- I'm not a lab rat

saea97

November 23rd, 2013, 02:38 PM

Personally I'm deeply interested in the reasons, whether neurological or environmental, behind my sexuality. We don't know the answer right now but we probably will at some point, and that excites me. Not because I'm one of those self-hating homosexuals who wants to know why they turned out gay and try to "fix" themselves - because that couldn't be further from the truth - but simply because I love science and encourage any and all scientific research.

As an aside, I don't particularly understand where britishboy's been homophobic in this thread. Certainly I wasn't offended by the use of "wrong" in the sense he used it.