Your thoughts on Neo-Nazism?

[Stronk Serb]

A few days ago while I was going to school, I saw a graffiti saying: "We don't want communism, we don't want capitalisn, we want national socialism!"
I was like what the fuck?! Almost 2 million Serbs (which is a lot, there are about 5 million Serbs today) died under the Nazi occupation, and now Hitler, Dimitrije Ljotić and Nazism are praised? What is your opinion about rising Neo-Nazism in the countries which participated in World War Two?

[britishboy]

A few days ago while I was going to school, I saw a graffiti saying: "We don't want communism, we don't want capitalisn, we want national socialism!"
I was like what the fuck?! Almost 2 million Serbs (which is a lot, there are about 5 million Serbs today) died under the Nazi occupation, and now Hitler, Dimitrije Ljotić and Nazism are praised? What is your opinion about rising Neo-Nazism in the countries which participated in World War Two?

I don't like any political extremism, whether Nazi or Communist, but remember what you always say, they might want a 'good' Nazi leadership just like you want a 'good' communist leadership, millions died fighting communists and under communists, still till this day

[Stronk Serb]

I don't like any political extremism, whether Nazi or Communist, but remember what you always say, they might want a 'good' Nazi leadership just like you want a 'good' communist leadership, millions died fighting communists and under communists, still till this day

They want a Serbia for the Serbs only. That's racist. They beat Gypsies and gays to death, are football hooligans. They want a Serbian version of Nazi Germany.

[Harry Smith]

I don't like any political extremism, whether Nazi or Communist, but remember what you always say, they might want a 'good' Nazi leadership just like you want a 'good' communist leadership, millions died fighting communists and under communists, still till this day

Good Nazi leadership? That's just not possible in a country where you have even one person who is gay/jewish/black or any other minority.

Millions have died fighting Capitalism and west, good old selective memory. Also in the example that Mike gave of Serbia they had one of the most progressive communist governments out theirs which didn't kill millions.

There's no such thing as good Nazi leadership Jack, that's just a pretty stupid comment to make

[Vlerchan]

It's not uncommon for groups in countries - particularly countries with exceedingly high unemployment - to associate immigrants and minorities in general with economic slumps, and such. This gives rise to anti-Immigration parties. It's happening all over Europe: BNP in Britain; Front National in France; Golden Dawn in Greece; etc., though I don't believe any of these parties will make It far. I wouldn't be worried about Serbia coming under some Fascist regime any time soon.

From the slogan though I'd wonder if the key aim of the movement is the implementation of Corporatism, rather than the other aims usually associated with Neo-Nazi movements. I doubt it, though.

[britishboy]

They want a Serbia for the Serbs only. That's racist. They beat Gypsies and gays to death, are football hooligans. They want a Serbian version of Nazi Germany.

Don't worry too much every country has them, they will never succeed:)

[Harry Smith]

Don't worry too much every country has them, they will never succeed:)

Said the Germans in 1929

[Moth]

You realise atrocities have happened under Communist rule also, right? Both regimes are things I believe we need to keep out of modern day life.

[Vlerchan]

Are we really going to play the blame game here?

All economic systems have resulted in atrocities committed against populations at some stage in their histories. Who remembers Colonialism - DeathbyCapatalism? I assume it'll be the same people who remember Stalin's man-made famine in the Ukraine - DeathbyCommunism. The point is that we should be debating regimes - Capatalist; Communist - which the USSR was not, but whatever; Fascist - by their merits, and not their pasts. On that: Nazism does advocate the active suppression of minority groups, and claiming that it is possible to install a 'good' leader who strives towards such goals is ridiculous - in my eyes, at least.

[britishboy]

You realise atrocities have happened under Communist rule also, right? Both regimes are things I believe we need to keep out of modern day life.

I agree political extremism has no place in modern politics

[Vlerchan]

[...]political extremism has no place in modern politics
Why? Because it disagrees with your current line of thinking?

[Stronk Serb]

You realise atrocities have happened under Communist rule also, right? Both regimes are things I believe we need to keep out of modern day life.

My parents and grandparents don't reccall that they were oppressed in Communist Yugoslavia.

[Sogeking]

I've been watching the news lately (Russia Today, Al Jazeera) that far right parties are on the rise in europe. Running on platform of anti-Immigration Reform (both european and muslim), anti EU, etc. Not Neo-nazi per se, but close enough.

It's a stretch to say that these sort of movements will fail because as long as there is an unstable economy, and general discontent of the political systems, these parties will always exploit the unhappiness of the population and turn things their way. That's what the Nazis did in the 1930s and that's what these parties are capable of doing now.

But I'm not well informed on the subject (since I'm not European) so I can't properly evaluate the situation there.

[PinkFloyd]

Before I say what I believe, you guys need to know that I'm not strong on this subject..

My views are that Nazis were and definitely still are horrible people. I'd rather not support a group that killed tens of millions of innocent human beings.

So yeah, fuck Nazism.

[Vlerchan]

It's a stretch to say that these sort of movements will fail because as long as there is an unstable economy, and general discontent of the political systems, these parties will always exploit the unhappiness of the population and turn things their way. That's what the Nazis did in the 1930s and that's what these parties are capable of doing now.
The situation in the Wiemer Republic (Germany) was hugely different than the current situation in Europe today.

Firstly: the Great Depression crippled their economy to an extreme seen nowhere else in Europe today (except, maybe, Greece), it's recovery during the Golden Years of the mid-to-late twenties had been built up entirely on American funded loans and when that ran dry their economy crashed completely - unemployment, for example, rose by an average 7% a year between 1929 and 1931 (31-ish%).

Secondly: The Nazi's played on a heightened sense of German Nationalism; due the embarrassment at the loss of WWI and the reparations payments - which most democratic parties supported paying - many German's were easily manipulated into believing that a Strong leader could make Germany Strong again, as opposed to bickering democratic coalitions. The Nazi's also played down a lot of their racist and anti-Semitic views during the election which helped in getting votes - it's a lot easier now to gain a full view of a parties platform with the internet, and then access criticisms of said platform.

Thirdly: In today's democratic countries there is a strong stigma associated with Fascism - and authoritarianism in general. In Hitler and Mussolini's time there was no long-lived model in which people could assess the success of, and draw conclusions from.

The only country that looks in any way at falling prey to Fascism is Greece, though I've been assured by a Greek friend that it's only the uneducated voting Golden Dawn - who actually only hold 18 of 300 seats in parliament - and their influence will be short lived. If anything Greece should be fearing Communism whose grip holds almost a third of their entire parliament.

[tovaris]

Frow them in jail.