Does Christianity as an overall net positive impact on society?

[tovaris]

I cant believe cristians are defending a book that forbids man from masturbating Mozes 38 9


One, I never said that only the religious are charitable. Two, anyone can follow the good of the Bible. Three, rape is not condoned, it is disgusting of an act. Why does it tie to the rapist marrying the victim? This ties to years ago where a woman is raped and then a child is born, someone must take responsibilty. In short, "you rape my daughter, I won't kill you if you take her as a bride rather than taking her for your lustful passions." That was the mindset then. The Bible is older than 2000 years. How one governs themslef is their business. A dozen? Dear lord have you gotten that wrong. The Bible was writen by many but by God and much of it stems from earlier books like the Torah and even the Quran. I'd love to talk theology but I doubt you'd want to talk on that.

The Bible actuly predates the Quran, and the entire (not much but entire) subject of the old testament is taken out of the Tora

Denounce? You do realize that all of those break the commandments right? You do realize that no true Christian enorces killing? You do realize that your view of Christianity is misconceptual? Public relations? We are not asking the world to like or hate us. In fact not every one is going to love you. Honestly, it is not about publicity. Who told you this? You misinterpreted that scripture. Please quote the rest. In fact no. Let me read it myself since you see Christianity as some near death sentence which is near annoying but above all shocking! Oh God, have you misread! Jesus is speaking how he means not to change the ways of the land or prophets but to fulfil God's plan. That all who do not follow the commandments be called poor in Heaven. Don't you get it? No? I'll reexplain if you need it. Why 2000 years? The Bible has no exact dates.

Wait a minute....
You are defending The book that you HAVENT EVEN READ!!!!!

[Miserabilia]

No, the mindset was "If you rape my Daughter you have to pay me back for my property." Because according to the bible the rapist would just have to repay the father, and the he would be able to marry her with out being prosecuted, because now that the woman who was raped no longer had her virginity she was worthless to the father.

So basically the bible is full of fucked up shit, stupid people read it, then use it to be assholes. But you can't claim that it has nothing to do with the religion because it's in you damn religious texts! So overall, Negative impact. Now I am not negating that Christians have done good things, but the good things they do don't have much to do with the bible, and the bad things ARE because of Christianity. Because the ones who are doing bad things are stupid people who need a book to tell them what to think, and the bible tells them to think horrible, mean things.

I completely aggree.

I will reply to this directly since it is very one-sided and abhorrently rude! The Bible does no such thing. Who gave you your view of Christianity? A heretic? Who are you to call those who read and study a book stupid? Last I checked we are all human. Now I cannot stand for the wrongs of the past but I cannot stand for the wrong stereotyping of the present either.



Christianity in itself is fine. It's those who were corrupt that courrupted what many think about it. No the quote was interpreted wrong. I have a Bible on hand. No that scripture says what Jesus is. He is not a man to challenge the world's laws. No. Jesus came to die for all of our sins for that we may seek God and have everlasting life. If giving hope and peace are evil then what reality are you in? The Bible does not endorse murder. Thou shalt not kill? Heard of it.

*cough* biblical books are full of murder *cough*

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)


"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)


A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)


If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)


They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)




From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

*cough*

Seems like god was being a little hypocrite when he said "thou shalt not kill?"

[Lovelife090994]

Well that's the problem right there-your stating as a fact that Jesus came to earth to die for our sins to aid god-you don't have any evidence to prove that. Occam razor would suggest that his mother Mary simply lied about having an affair and blamed it on a deity. I mentioned before about being hypocritical




Thou shall not kill unless 'god' allows it

You do realize Jesus was a real man corect? You do not have to follow him but he was real and mentioned even outsid of Christianity.

I cant believe cristians are defending a book that forbids man from masturbating Mozes 38 9




The Bible actuly predates the Quran, and the entire (not much but entire) subject of the old testament is taken out of the Tora



Wait a minute....
You are defending The book that you HAVENT EVEN READ!!!!!

Wow, you accuse me of something you cannot prove having never met me. Nice.

Please do not double post. -Cygnus David

[Daz 2000]

Religion is mind control for the weakest minds. It has to be the biggest pile of BS ever invented. I hate it with a passion.

[Seth Green]

I will reply to this directly since it is very one-sided and abhorrently rude! The Bible does no such thing. Who gave you your view of Christianity? A heretic? Who are you to call those who read and study a book stupid? Last I checked we are all human. Now I cannot stand for the wrongs of the past but I cannot stand for the wrong stereotyping of the present either.

You misunderstand stand I'm not saying all people who read the bible are stupid. I'm saying that the Christians who have a negative effect on the world(Most Christians.) are stupid. And can not form there own opinions so they turn to this book, not understanding that you can't accept most of it as fact because if you do, you have to be a terrible person, because it says ALOT of terrible stuff. Because it was written years ago so most of it no longer makes any sense!

Also, Who taught me my view, A heretic...? Do you know what a Heretic is? It's some one who disagrees with a church or a part of a religion but still says they are a part of that religion. I'm not Christian at all. And also, unless you believe every single word in the bible, you are technically a Heretic. Also, no one taught me my view. It's my view.

You do realize Jesus was a real man corect? You do not have to follow him but he was real and mentioned even outsid of Christianity.


You do realize that he never said Jesus wasn't a real person, infact if anything he implied Jesus WAS a real person.

You're clearly not actually paying attention to anything we're saying, either that or your to thick to understand what we're saying.

Merged double post. -Cygnus David

[West Coast Sheriff]

The scriptures teach love, respect,and moral values. So yes

[Lovelife090994]

You misunderstand stand I'm not saying all people who read the bible are stupid. I'm saying that the Christians who have a negative effect on the world(Most Christians.) are stupid. And can not form there own opinions so they turn to this book, not understanding that you can't accept most of it as fact because if you do, you have to be a terrible person, because it says ALOT of terrible stuff. Because it was written years ago so most of it no longer makes any sense!

Also, Who taught me my view, A heretic...? Do you know what a Heretic is? It's some one who disagrees with a church or a part of a religion but still says they are a part of that religion. I'm not Christian at all. And also, unless you believe every single word in the bible, you are technically a Heretic. Also, no one taught me my view. It's my view.

I'm just saying that I hate the generalization. Yes the Bibel has some things in it that either can no longer be related to today or are not clear, but good Christians do take the Bible as God's word. I never said we follow the whole book because then stoning would be an issue. Heretic I am not. Nearly so you seem to me. I fail to see why so many have such a negative view of Christianity, especially atheists as if nothing good was ever brought from it. Most of the atheists I know literally care less in a way that is both reassuring and at times bizarre since they never say anything on things that are rather inhumane but of others' culture so I can see why be silent.

Point is I notice a trend. Most who seem to be flat out against religion of any sort vs. the religion Christians separate from (doctrines and practices) are almost always gay or atheist. I just don't get it. Mainly because I know of a few Christians who are gay and vey well loved. Now I cannot say that they see no strife but I can say that they take the good of Christianity and go on that rather than only mention the bad since that doesn't help anything.
I'm but a simple person, okay maybe not, I can be a little weird at times. But I like to believe that everyone should be entitled to their beliefs. Christianity has gave so many hope and those using it to excuse evil ways are always the ones who speak loudest it seems as well as negative media stories of all the bad rather than any good. So many have turned to God when they have had no one to go to and I would never call them stupid. Heck even if a person went to Allah or Buddha, that is their life, their faith, their choice, their beliefs and ways of life and I respect it as so.

So I ask. What really is your main point? That is what I am missing at this moment.

[Miserabilia]

The scriptures teach love, respect,and moral values. So yes

The scriptures also teach stoning to death, killing those who do not share your beleif, and destroying entire cities because your god says so, not to mention letting bears kill a bunch of little kids because they called you a name.

I'm just saying that I hate the generalization. Yes the Bibel has some things in it that either can no longer be related to today or are not clear, but good Christians do take the Bible as God's word. I never said we follow the whole book because then stoning would be an issue. Heretic I am not. Nearly so you seem to me. I fail to see why so many have such a negative view of Christianity, especially atheists as if nothing good was ever brought from it. Most of the atheists I know literally care less in a way that is both reassuring and at times bizarre since they never say anything on things that are rather inhumane but of others' culture so I can see why be silent.

Point is I notice a trend. Most who seem to be flat out against religion of any sort vs. the religion Christians separate from (doctrines and practices) are almost always gay or atheist. I just don't get it. Mainly because I know of a few Christians who are gay and vey well loved. Now I cannot say that they see no strife but I can say that they take the good of Christianity and go on that rather than only mention the bad since that doesn't help anything.
I'm but a simple person, okay maybe not, I can be a little weird at times. But I like to believe that everyone should be entitled to their beliefs. Christianity has gave so many hope and those using it to excuse evil ways are always the ones who speak loudest it seems as well as negative media stories of all the bad rather than any good. So many have turned to God when they have had no one to go to and I would never call them stupid. Heck even if a person went to Allah or Buddha, that is their life, their faith, their choice, their beliefs and ways of life and I respect it as so.

So I ask. What really is your main point? That is what I am missing at this moment.

Yes the Bibel has some things in it that either can no longer be related to today or are not clear, but good Christians do take the Bible as God's word.

God's word= killing little children with bears, destroying entire villages, killing people that do something outside of theist beleifs?...

I never said we follow the whole book because then stoning would be an issue.

So, you just take out some of the parts, ignore them, then use what's left as "god's word" and great inspiration and good for the world?
You can't just do that,
if you are defending the bible, you have to defend the bible, not parts of it.

I fail to see why so many have such a negative view of Christianity, especially atheists as if nothing good was ever brought from it. Most of the atheists I know literally care less in a way that is both reassuring and at times bizarre since they never say anything on things that are rather inhumane but of others' culture so I can see why be silent.

I have "such a negative view" on most religions, mainly because most of them support war and discrimination.

Point is I notice a trend. Most who seem to be flat out against religion of any sort vs. the religion Christians separate from (doctrines and practices) are almost always gay or atheist.

Sigh... just sigh....

Theist= beleiver in god
Atheist= someone that doesn't beleive in god

Hm, let me think, why would it be that atheists are against religion?

Also,
if you see the "trend" of gay people against religion, it may be because most religions still want gays to be stoned to death :)

but I can say that they take the good of Christianity and go on that rather than only mention the bad since that doesn't help anything.

Aren't you doing the exact same, but you are only mentioning the good?
If you were to actually follow the bible you would also follow the bad things.

I'm but a simple person, okay maybe not, I can be a little weird at times. But I like to believe that everyone should be entitled to their beliefs.

That's irrelevant to the thread, the question is not if people are entitled to them, the question is if those beleifs have an overal positive impact on the world.

Christianity has gave so many hope and those using it to excuse evil ways are always the ones who speak loudest it seems as well as negative media stories of all the bad rather than any good. So many have turned to God when they have had no one to go to and I would never call them stupid. Heck even if a person went to Allah or Buddha, that is their life, their faith, their choice, their beliefs and ways of life and I respect it as so.

Again, irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant,
the point is that religion can and will be used as motive for terrible things, and countries with laws based around religion actually do everything the religion says; doesn't that thought scare you?
Just because christianity and the state are now seperate, doesn't mean it always was.

[Lovelife090994]

The scriptures also teach stoning to death, killing those who do not share your beleif, and destroying entire cities because your god says so, not to mention letting bears kill a bunch of little kids because they called you a name.





God's word= killing little children with bears, destroying entire villages, killing people that do something outside of theist beleifs?...



So, you just take out some of the parts, ignore them, then use what's left as "god's word" and great inspiration and good for the world?
You can't just do that,
if you are defending the bible, you have to defend the bible, not parts of it.



I have "such a negative view" on most religions, mainly because most of them support war and discrimination.



Sigh... just sigh....

Theist= beleiver in god
Atheist= someone that doesn't beleive in god

Hm, let me think, why would it be that atheists are against religion?

Also,
if you see the "trend" of gay people against religion, it may be because most religions still want gays to be stoned to death :)



Aren't you doing the exact same, but you are only mentioning the good?
If you were to actually follow the bible you would also follow the bad things.



That's irrelevant to the thread, the question is not if people are entitled to them, the question is if those beleifs have an overal positive impact on the world.



Again, irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant,
the point is that religion can and will be used as motive for terrible things, and countries with laws based around religion actually do everything the religion says; doesn't that thought scare you?
Just because christianity and the state are now seperate, doesn't mean it always was.

I did mention the ills of Christianity (well things done in it's name but not ordered by God himself) earlier. Christians are not supposed to hurt anyone, so if parts of the Bible seak of stoning that was of the days of old and when the word of the Bible was law. Now we know different.
My points ae not irrelevant because it is not just Christianity that has instilled good virtues. Those who wish to stone are caught up in the doctrine of a religion and more radical than spiritual. Not all gays and atheists are against religion you know.

[Miserabilia]

I did mention the ills of Christianity (well things done in it's name but not ordered by God himself) earlier. Christians are not supposed to hurt anyone, so if parts of the Bible seak of stoning that was of the days of old and when the word of the Bible was law. Now we know different.
My points ae not irrelevant because it is not just Christianity that has instilled good virtues. Those who wish to stone are caught up in the doctrine of a religion and more radical than spiritual. Not all gays and atheists are against religion you know.



(well things done in it's name but not ordered by God himself)

I thought the bible was supposed to be the word of god?

Christians are not supposed to hurt anyone, so if parts of the Bible seak of stoning that was of the days of old and when the word of the Bible was law. Now we know different.

Yes, the bible is from those days of old, where people are stoned to death, but I also mean the scriptures telling people to kill those with different beleifs.
That is the point of the thread, the scriptures tell people to not accept those with different beleifs and ways, which is why it is a motive for people to do bad things.

My points ae not irrelevant because it is not just Christianity that has instilled good virtues.

The thing that's irrelevant is that you said people are entitled to their beleifs. That's irrelevant, it's about whether or not those beleifs are good for the world.

Not all gays and atheists are against religion you know.

I know, but it seems like you were actually saying thaT?
I just explained why it would be if alot of them were.

[tovaris]

You do realize Jesus was a real man corect? You do not have to follow him but he was real and mentioned even outsid of Christianity.
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Yes as i recal he was taken prisoner by the romans claiming that the tim of selvation for the jews has come, he was beten and his captors determaned he was mad and relised him. Its all in the records




Wow, you accuse me of something you cannot prove having never met me. Nice.

Please do not double post. -Cygnus David

You said it yourself, that you hadent read the Book.

Religion is mind control for the weakest minds. It has to be the biggest pile of BS ever invented. I hate it with a passion.

Now here is a felow i can simpatize with.
Thank you my mancunian comerad

The scriptures teach love, respect,and moral values. So yes

The scriptures do no such thing.

[Stronk Serb]

I'm just saying that I hate the generalization. Yes the Bibel has some things in it that either can no longer be related to today or are not clear, but good Christians do take the Bible as God's word.

I did mention the ills of Christianity (well things done in it's name but not ordered by God himself) earlier. Christians are not supposed to hurt anyone, so if parts of the Bible seak of stoning that was of the days of old and when the word of the Bible was law. Now we know different.

The Bible says to hurt the infidels, adulterers, gays etc., and since it's God's word, you must hurt them to be a good Christian. Those Christians who killed Muslims and Pagans did so because it says so in the Bible. Look at Buddhism, the religion frowns upon violence, and the Buddhists didn't start a single holy war as the instigator.

[Lovelife090994]

The Bible says to hurt the infidels, adulterers, gays etc., and since it's God's word, you must hurt them to be a good Christian. Those Christians who killed Muslims and Pagans did so because it says so in the Bible. Look at Buddhism, the religion frowns upon violence, and the Buddhists didn't start a single holy war as the instigator.

Are you talking on the Crusades? Muslims actually invaded what was previously Christian and Jewish lands but from lack of ability to win the land back and given the times Europe couldn't rebel. Also during the Dark Ages many Muslim Hordes were even invading Spain and soon to reach France. Ever heard of the Spanish city of Cordova? It was once a major influence of Islamic culture. Today it is still mostly Catholic probably but the Islamic influence has stayed (the good at least). Buddhists are not exactly without ills either you know, especially recently towards Muslims. Many Pagans have killed Christians i.e. Vikings, the Romans, etc. Many Christians have been killed and are to this day. People die and are killed every day. Christians and Muslims differ in that Christians allow others to choose whether to come to Christ or not whereas the Quran says how all who do not believe are infidels and how it is the holy duty to change people to Allah's ways by death even. This dark way or conversion is no longer seen in Christianity as a whole. Christians send peaceful missionaries to help and teach whereas while Muslims do this too, many have sent soldiers. All religions have there ups and downs. And to killings, every religion has had those who kill. Just because one is Christian does not stop them from being a bad person. Supposedly as Christians one is to do right and to better him or herself but this is often not the case, sadly.

[Harry Smith]

Are you talking on the Crusades? Muslims actually invaded what was previously Christian and Jewish lands but from lack of ability to win the land back and given the times Europe couldn't rebel. Also during the Dark Ages many Muslim Hordes were even invading Spain and soon to reach France. Ever heard of the Spanish city of Cordova? It was once a major influence of Islamic culture. Today it is still mostly Catholic probably but the Islamic influence has stayed (the good at least). Buddhists are not exactly without ills either you know, especially recently towards Muslims. Many Pagans have killed Christians i.e. Vikings, the Romans, etc. Many Christians have been killed and are to this day. People die and are killed every day. Christians and Muslims differ in that Christians allow others to choose whether to come to Christ or not whereas the Quran says how all who do not believe are infidels and how it is the holy duty to change people to Allah's ways by death even. This dark way or conversion is no longer seen in Christianity as a whole. Christians send peaceful missionaries to help and teach whereas while Muslims do this too, many have sent soldiers. All religions have there ups and downs. And to killings, every religion has had those who kill. Just because one is Christian does not stop them from being a bad person. Supposedly as Christians one is to do right and to better him or herself but this is often not the case, sadly.

The lands had belonged to Muslims for the last 400 years-by your theory Britain should be able to invade India, Pakistan,Africa and Australia because they belonged to us 50 years. Just because you owned a piece of rock 400 years before doesn't mean you have a right to continually invade, butcher, rape and pillage an area.

The debate isn't about Islam or Buddhism-it's about Christianity and the evils it's committed. However this debate isn't going to move until you acknowledge that the Bible as the governance of Christianity endorses genocide.

Do you agree with that? Yes or No?

[Miserabilia]

Are you talking on the Crusades? Muslims actually invaded what was previously Christian and Jewish lands but from lack of ability to win the land back and given the times Europe couldn't rebel. Also during the Dark Ages many Muslim Hordes were even invading Spain and soon to reach France. Ever heard of the Spanish city of Cordova? It was once a major influence of Islamic culture. Today it is still mostly Catholic probably but the Islamic influence has stayed (the good at least). Buddhists are not exactly without ills either you know, especially recently towards Muslims. Many Pagans have killed Christians i.e. Vikings, the Romans, etc. Many Christians have been killed and are to this day. People die and are killed every day. Christians and Muslims differ in that Christians allow others to choose whether to come to Christ or not whereas the Quran says how all who do not believe are infidels and how it is the holy duty to change people to Allah's ways by death even. This dark way or conversion is no longer seen in Christianity as a whole. Christians send peaceful missionaries to help and teach whereas while Muslims do this too, many have sent soldiers. All religions have there ups and downs. And to killings, every religion has had those who kill. Just because one is Christian does not stop them from being a bad person. Supposedly as Christians one is to do right and to better him or herself but this is often not the case, sadly.

Whatever those other religions did is irrelevant to the thread!
Many Christians have been killed and are to this day. People die and are killed every day.
Oh really?
-_-

Christians and Muslims differ in that Christians allow others to choose whether to come to Christ or not whereas the Quran says how all who do not believe are infidels and how it is the holy duty to change people to Allah's ways by death even.

Exactly what christianity does, too.
Most religions, actually.

This dark way or conversion is no longer seen in Christianity as a whole.

No longer, no!
But it did. For a long long long long long long time!
Christians caused the extermination of many different cultures and religions!

Christians send peaceful missionaries to help and teach whereas while Muslims do this too, many have sent soldiers. All religions have there ups and downs. And to killings, every religion has had those who kill. Just because one is Christian does not stop them from being a bad person. Supposedly as Christians one is to do right and to better him or herself but this is often not the case, sadly.

It's not one christian though;
christianity, like most religions, encourages people to push their faith on to others, with violence if nescecary.

You will have to send allooot of peace missionairies if you want to make up for the deaths christianity has caused!

[Seth Green]

I'm just saying that I hate the generalization. Yes the Bibel has some things in it that either can no longer be related to today or are not clear, but good Christians do take the Bible as God's word. I never said we follow the whole book because then stoning would be an issue. Heretic I am not. Nearly so you seem to me. I fail to see why so many have such a negative view of Christianity, especially atheists as if nothing good was ever brought from it. Most of the atheists I know literally care less in a way that is both reassuring and at times bizarre since they never say anything on things that are rather inhumane but of others' culture so I can see why be silent.

Point is I notice a trend. Most who seem to be flat out against religion of any sort vs. the religion Christians separate from (doctrines and practices) are almost always gay or atheist. I just don't get it. Mainly because I know of a few Christians who are gay and vey well loved. Now I cannot say that they see no strife but I can say that they take the good of Christianity and go on that rather than only mention the bad since that doesn't help anything.
I'm but a simple person, okay maybe not, I can be a little weird at times. But I like to believe that everyone should be entitled to their beliefs. Christianity has gave so many hope and those using it to excuse evil ways are always the ones who speak loudest it seems as well as negative media stories of all the bad rather than any good. So many have turned to God when they have had no one to go to and I would never call them stupid. Heck even if a person went to Allah or Buddha, that is their life, their faith, their choice, their beliefs and ways of life and I respect it as so.

So I ask. What really is your main point? That is what I am missing at this moment.

Now I can kind of see where you coming from with the whole the reason we notice so many bad Christians are because they are the loudest. But I still have to say there are more bad Christians then good. (Also once again I'm not a heretic because I'm not Christian and therefore cannot be a heretic)

My main point is, what the main point of this whole topic is, my point is Christianity has more bad then good. And ONCE again that could be said about ALL religion. Over all religion in general has had an over all negative effect.

Religion promotes intellectual laziness.

[Miserabilia]

Now I can kind of see where you coming from with the whole the reason we notice so many bad Christians are because they are the loudest. But I still have to say there are more bad Christians then good. (Also once again I'm not a heretic because I'm not Christian and therefore cannot be a heretic)

My main point is, what the main point of this whole topic is, my point is Christianity has more bad then good. And ONCE again that could be said about ALL religion. Over all religion in general has had an over all negative effect.

Religion promotes intellectual laziness.

Yes! You make perfect sense :)

[Stronk Serb]

Are you talking on the Crusades? Muslims actually invaded what was previously Christian and Jewish lands but from lack of ability to win the land back and given the times Europe couldn't rebel. Also during the Dark Ages many Muslim Hordes were even invading Spain and soon to reach France. Ever heard of the Spanish city of Cordova? It was once a major influence of Islamic culture. Today it is still mostly Catholic probably but the Islamic influence has stayed (the good at least). Buddhists are not exactly without ills either you know, especially recently towards Muslims. Many Pagans have killed Christians i.e. Vikings, the Romans, etc. Many Christians have been killed and are to this day. People die and are killed every day. Christians and Muslims differ in that Christians allow others to choose whether to come to Christ or not whereas the Quran says how all who do not believe are infidels and how it is the holy duty to change people to Allah's ways by death even. This dark way or conversion is no longer seen in Christianity as a whole. Christians send peaceful missionaries to help and teach whereas while Muslims do this too, many have sent soldiers. All religions have there ups and downs. And to killings, every religion has had those who kill. Just because one is Christian does not stop them from being a bad person. Supposedly as Christians one is to do right and to better him or herself but this is often not the case, sadly.

The Bible, which is the Christian holy book states to kill or convert the infidel. And please, we are not talking about Islam, Paganism and Buddhism. We are talking about Christianity, so don't try to go on other religions. This is not a comparison. About the Crusades, did the Crusaders allow the Muslims to leave Jerusalem unharmed? Or it was Salafin the Wise who allowed the Christians to leave Jerusalem unharmed? And about the killings, look at the domobran and ustasha and scum. They killed a large part of my family for the sake of Christanity. Peaceful Slavic Pagans were burned on pyres because it said so in the Bible. Women and children burned alive.

[Lovelife090994]

The Bible, which is the Christian holy book states to kill or convert the infidel. And please, we are not talking about Islam, Paganism and Buddhism. We are talking about Christianity, so don't try to go on other religions. This is not a comparison. About the Crusades, did the Crusaders allow the Muslims to leave Jerusalem unharmed? Or it was Salafin the Wise who allowed the Christians to leave Jerusalem unharmed? And about the killings, look at the domobran and ustasha and scum. They killed a large part of my family for the sake of Christanity. Peaceful Slavic Pagans were burned on pyres because it said so in the Bible. Women and children burned alive.

Your family was killed by soldiers who claimed they were Christian? I hate to say that no true, good Christian would do that. Again, this goes to the bad Christians being the loudest. Look, no matter what has happened that doesn't mean every Christian wants to kill. The Bible may very well say kill infiidels but Christians today are not going to do it. I brought up other faiths because none are without wrongdoers. Again, the Crusades are so complex in their history, especially if you remember where most of those Crusaders were coming from, then it is no wonder Christianity has blood on its hands. I could care less if one is Pagan or not as long as their customs hurt no one. And whenever anyone is killed for the sake of a religion then that religion is being a scapegoat when the religion is peaceful yet the act was not. It does quite relate. Again, sorry for your family but I had nothing to do with that, nor the Pope, nor Jesus, nor even God. Women and children of all lands have been burned and killed. Especially during Roman history.

I cant believe cristians are defending a book that forbids man from masturbating Mozes 38 9




The Bible actuly predates the Quran, and the entire (not much but entire) subject of the old testament is taken out of the Tora



Wait a minute....
You are defending The book that you HAVENT EVEN READ!!!!!

Actually the Torah and Bible do predate the Quran.

[tovaris]

Actually the Torah and Bible do predate the Quran.

You know it wpuld hep if you actuli read what you are responding to, that is what i said



Your family was killed by soldiers who claimed they were Christian? I hate to say that no true, good Christian would do that. Again, this goes to the bad Christians being the loudest. Look, no matter what has happened that doesn't mean every Christian wants to kill. The Bible may very well say kill infiidels but Christians today are not going to do it. I brought up other faiths because none are without wrongdoers. Again, the Crusades are so complex in their history, especially if you remember where most of those Crusaders were coming from, then it is no wonder Christianity has blood on its hands. I could care less if one is Pagan or not as long as their customs hurt no one. And whenever anyone is killed for the sake of a religion then that religion is being a scapegoat when the religion is peaceful yet the act was not. It does quite relate. Again, sorry for your family but I had nothing to do with that, nor the Pope, nor Jesus, nor even God. Women and children of all lands have been burned and killed. Especially during Roman history.

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BLOD IS THIKER THAN WATHER!
The domobrans killed my kin in a brutal mather, they praied to their brutal blodthirsty god while doing it. Not only that the killed him, they even documanted everething, those fashist pigs! And had the backing of the f***** pope (the guy who stands in for god on earth).
The cristian customs of forceful cristanisation hurt more people than all the pegan rituals combined

[AlexOnToast]

Actually the Torah and Bible do predate the Quran.

Yes, I believe he said that outright

[Stronk Serb]

Your family was killed by soldiers who claimed they were Christian? I hate to say that no true, good Christian would do that. Again, this goes to the bad Christians being the loudest. Look, no matter what has happened that doesn't mean every Christian wants to kill. The Bible may very well say kill infiidels but Christians today are not going to do it. I brought up other faiths because none are without wrongdoers. Again, the Crusades are so complex in their history, especially if you remember where most of those Crusaders were coming from, then it is no wonder Christianity has blood on its hands. I could care less if one is Pagan or not as long as their customs hurt no one. And whenever anyone is killed for the sake of a religion then that religion is being a scapegoat when the religion is peaceful yet the act was not. It does quite relate. Again, sorry for your family but I had nothing to do with that, nor the Pope, nor Jesus, nor even God. Women and children of all lands have been burned and killed. Especially during Roman history.

Just because someone does a thing for the sake of their religion, it means it has had a negative or positive impact. The ustashas had the backing of the Pope actually. Many of them escaped through rat tunnels made by the Catholic Church, especially their leader, Ante Pavelić. I dislike the religion, but the believers of it... It depends how they act individually. If they shove their beliefs down my throat or disrespect me because I am who I am, then I will have a problem with them. The Slavic Pagans did not do the human sacrifices like the Norse did. The Pope, the Basileus and the Franks saw a good opportunity to expand their influence because we weren't warmongers.

[Miserabilia]

Your family was killed by soldiers who claimed they were Christian? I hate to say that no true, good Christian would do that. Again, this goes to the bad Christians being the loudest. Look, no matter what has happened that doesn't mean every Christian wants to kill. The Bible may very well say kill infiidels but Christians today are not going to do it. I brought up other faiths because none are without wrongdoers. Again, the Crusades are so complex in their history, especially if you remember where most of those Crusaders were coming from, then it is no wonder Christianity has blood on its hands. I could care less if one is Pagan or not as long as their customs hurt no one. And whenever anyone is killed for the sake of a religion then that religion is being a scapegoat when the religion is peaceful yet the act was not. It does quite relate. Again, sorry for your family but I had nothing to do with that, nor the Pope, nor Jesus, nor even God. Women and children of all lands have been burned and killed. Especially during Roman history.



Actually the Torah and Bible do predate the Quran.

Look, no matter what has happened that doesn't mean every Christian wants to kill. The Bible may very well say kill infiidels but Christians today are not going to do it.

AAGH how many times do I have to tell you? That is not the point of the thread! THe point is not if all christians kill!

That would be a stupid thing to say!
The point is whether or not the overall impact is positive.

And whenever anyone is killed for the sake of a religion then that religion is being a scapegoat when the religion is peaceful yet the act was not.

Sigh...
No, the point is that the person doing that was doing it for the sake of their religion.
Therefore, that religion has had a negative impact.

A religion is made out of the people that have it.

[Lovelife090994]

You know it wpuld hep if you actuli read what you are responding to, that is what i said



BLOD IS THIKER THAN WATHER!
The domobrans killed my kin in a brutal mather, they praied to their brutal blodthirsty god while doing it. Not only that the killed him, they even documanted everething, those fashist pigs! And had the backing of the f***** pope (the guy who stands in for god on earth).
The cristian customs of forceful cristanisation hurt more people than all the pegan rituals combined

Ca suffit! Calm down for half a moment. You sound as if all of Christiandom wants you dead? I cannot truly speal on behalf of your family but I am sorry your family went through that. You do realize that not all Christians are like this, oui? Christianisation, a term in mystery. The Pope today has nothing to do with the ills of the past. Again, what will you do if able? Kill all Christiandom? Debunk all Catholics? Most would appalled at the fact of Pagans being killled in the name of God himself! God really does not demand love but peace. You can't hold killing of family to every person who is Christian or to the faith. Again, I am sorry to hear this and hate it, and I am sorry about your family but I had nothing to do with it. Yes, blodd is thicker than water, but in history Christian blood has been spilt also. Christian blood has even been spilled by Pagans, so even the history of Pagandom is bloody. Even human history is bloody. But all this blood is not what God wants. All he asks is that we live in peace with one another, but a request so pure is easily corrupted by us mere mortals. I am but a man of peace, I am not one for blood regardless of whose was spilt.

[Lovelife090994]

Just because someone does a thing for the sake of their religion, it means it has had a negative or positive impact. The ustashas had the backing of the Pope actually. Many of them escaped through rat tunnels made by the Catholic Church, especially their leader, Ante Pavelić. I dislike the religion, but the believers of it... It depends how they act individually. If they shove their beliefs down my throat or disrespect me because I am who I am, then I will have a problem with them. The Slavic Pagans did not do the human sacrifices like the Norse did. The Pope, the Basileus and the Franks saw a good opportunity to expand their influence because we weren't warmongers.

I can't seem to merge this or multi-quote so forgive me here.

I understand how some Christians are overbearing. I myself am much more liking of Christ than most Christians. But you must know that not all Christians today want Pagans gone or dead. I have nothing to do with the wrongs to either the Slavic or the Norse nor they vice-versa to me. I hate the wrongs done, but I cannot change them. Even now, the Church and the Pope today did not orchestrate in this day for Pagans to be murdered. I know a few Pagans but we never fight on religion, we respect each other.

[Stronk Serb]

I can't seem to merge this or multi-quote so forgive me here.

I understand how some Christians are overbearing. I myself am much more liking of Christ than most Christians. But you must know that not all Christians today want Pagans gone or dead. I have nothing to do with the wrongs to either the Slavic or the Norse nor they vice-versa to me. I hate the wrongs done, but I cannot change them. Even now, the Church and the Pope today did not orchestrate in this day for Pagans to be murdered. I know a few Pagans but we never fight on religion, we respect each other.

Then I respect your decision to respect people no matter what religion they are as long as they act civil.

[Lovelife090994]

Then I respect your decision to respect people no matter what religion they are as long as they act civil.

That's what I was trying to tell you. I understand that there are things I will not understand. Some beliefs I don't understand, but who am I to affect someone's beliefs when they are civil and well? Also, I never judge a person or their beliefs from the past of their belief system.

[tovaris]

Ca suffit!



Non, ce n'est pas suffit!



Calm down for half a moment. You sound as if all of Christiandom wants you dead?



Many do, they are intolorent and would like to see all communists burned at the stake!



I cannot truly speal on behalf of your family but I am sorry your family went through that. You do realize that not all Christians are like this, oui?



Are you familiar with the domobran methodes of "intarigation"?
Their F religion is based on blod! (oh you should know, oficialy i am stil a chatolic)
Non, they wery hold on my land was made ba blod shead.



Christianisation, a term in mystery.



No it isnt. Worsip a man (who is at the same time a woman) in the sky nd all will be forgiven.



The Pope today has nothing to do with the ills of the past.



The pope is second to god, therefore the ils of popes are ils of the cristian god.



Again, what will you do if able? Kill all Christiandom? Debunk all Catholics?



I will frew my life do everething im my power to sloly, chip by chip weehen the strangehold of cristeanety on my people, so that my grandchildren will be able to breave.



Most would appalled at the fact of Pagans being killled in the name of God himself!



What does that even mean? My noncristian ancesters newer spread their religion with arms.



God really does not demand love but peace.



There is no god. How can he/she demand anything?



You can't hold killing of family to every person who is Christian or to the faith.



Im not. I hold "their" entire history againced them.



hristian blood has even been spilled by Pagans, so even the history of Pagandom is bloody.



There is no such thing as paganism, there are only many noncristian politeist perigions that cristians refere to as pegan.



Even human history is bloody.



Yes i age. So much blod spiled over religion, its horible. Almost like religion was the cause of it...



But all this blood is not what God wants. All he asks is that we live in peace with one another, but a request so pure is easily corrupted by us mere mortals.



God wants blod! He wants sheep, gots... etc... But is not fond of human secrafise, that is why you must be circumsised. He/she is however fond of war ower religion, and the killing of inocents (stoning homoseksuals).

[Lovelife090994]

Non, ce n'est pas suffit!



Many do, they are intolorent and would like to see all communists burned at the stake!



Are you familiar with the domobran methodes of "intarigation"?
Their F religion is based on blod! (oh you should know, oficialy i am stil a chatolic)
Non, they wery hold on my land was made ba blod shead.



No it isnt. Worsip a man (who is at the same time a woman) in the sky nd all will be forgiven.



The pope is second to god, therefore the ils of popes are ils of the cristian god.



I will frew my life do everething im my power to sloly, chip by chip weehen the strangehold of cristeanety on my people, so that my grandchildren will be able to breave.



What does that even mean? My noncristian ancesters newer spread their religion with arms.



There is no god. How can he/she demand anything?



Im not. I hold "their" entire history againced them.



There is no such thing as paganism, there are only many noncristian politeist perigions that cristians refere to as pegan.



Yes i age. So much blod spiled over religion, its horible. Almost like religion was the cause of it...



God wants blod! He wants sheep, gots... etc... But is not fond of human secrafise, that is why you must be circumsised. He/she is however fond of war ower religion, and the killing of inocents (stoning homoseksuals).

Wow, now you sound intolerant of all Christians. I'm leaving now. No getting to you.

[Miserabilia]

Wow, now you sound intolerant of all Christians. I'm leaving now. No getting to you.

Bascly the only thing you have said in this thread so far was that "not all christians do that" or "not all christians are like that" or "christians don't do that anymore".

you sound intolerant of all Christians.
How did he sound intolerant to all christians?
He never said anything like "All christians are stupid."

I think you're still missing the point of the thread.

[tovaris]

Wow, now you sound intolerant of all Christians. I'm leaving now. No getting to you.

Not realy, i realy dont care how many gots they secrafise in the confort of their own home. As long as they stop killing people!

It would helh if you wuld actuly trie to debate any of the points i made, this makes you look simply... whel...

And yes their religion has a negative impact on our society.

[Lovelife090994]

Bascly the only thing you have said in this thread so far was that "not all christians do that" or "not all christians are like that" or "christians don't do that anymore".


How did he sound intolerant to all christians?
He never said anything like "All christians are stupid."

I think you're still missing the point of the thread.

He said that most hate communists. Where does communism have a relationship to Christianity?

Did you not read his quotes to mine on how bad all Chrisitans are?

[darthearth]

Religion is mind control for the weakest minds. It has to be the biggest pile of BS ever invented. I hate it with a passion.

Perhaps you could post this to the "Would the world be a better place without religion?" thread and provide a reasonable argument for your claim. I'm sure the world would be better off without religion if it were just mind control for weak minds, wouldn't it? Do tell.

[Lovelife090994]

Religion is mind control for the weakest minds. It has to be the biggest pile of BS ever invented. I hate it with a passion.

Who are you to make such a claim? So many people are religious and peaceful. Are they any lesser than me or you for beliefs?