thoughts on legalization on all guns

[johndoe1112]

i would perfer if all guns where legal to get and people like teachers could get them and have them on them in school. your probly going to say some shit about my opinion and i could give a fuck less because if that principle had a pistol on her during that shooting it would not have ended how it did but this is not about my opinion this is about yours please share

[Left Now]

Why do not you say if the man didn't have the gun,none of these things would ever happen?
-Illegal

[Mastretta]

Yes because fighting gun violnce with guns solves the problem
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[johndoe1112]

well did timothy mcveigh use guns no he did not he use common items fertilizer and diesel so don't give me that

[Bellissimo]

You guys are crazy with your law About weapons. And now make them fully legal? Absurd. Better look at all the accidents with guns and the crime level compared to other countries before you place shotguns next to the candybars at Walmart

[Left Now]

well did timothy mcveigh use guns no he did not he use common items fertilizer and diesel so don't give me that

It is like saying that because there is a possibility of hailing,we all have to wear armors.Answering fire with fire won't extinguish fire,but makes it stronger than past.

Instead of making guns legal for public,improve your police forces.

[Camazotz]

No thanks. I wouldn't be comfortable attending a school where anyone is carrying a gun.

[Sugaree]

Legalizing all guns is not the answer, but neither is out right banning them. I think if we were to be more open about gun safety and awareness instead of trying to make the public view them as tools of destruction, there would be a huge shift in public opinion on firearms. It doesn't help when you have an extremist heading an organization like the NRA either.

[Miserabilia]

i would perfer if all guns where legal to get and people like teachers could get them and have them on them in school. your probly going to say some shit about my opinion and i could give a fuck less because if that principle had a pistol on her during that shooting it would not have ended how it did but this is not about my opinion this is about yours please share
aaah the contradictions.
Don't ask for opinions if you're gonna say you don't give a fuck anyways.
Here's a solution:

If you make all guns illegal, people won't need to buy guns to protect themselves anyway!

[Harry Smith]

yeah sure give teachers firerarms, a 50 year old women with a 9mm isn't going to have much chance against someone like Adam Lanza who had a AR-15 which holds 20 5.56 rounds. It's such a stupid idea that just because someone has a gun they can suddenly prevent crime, you need firearms training, along with training on to handle yourself under fire.

[Tarannosaurus]

Just legalizing guns isn't going to work, everyone will be going around terrified, guns at the ready to shoot at the slightest things because they are afraid that they will get shot. Also studies have proven that legalizing guns increases suicides.

[Sugaree]

Just legalizing guns isn't going to work, everyone will be going around terrified, guns at the ready to shoot at the slightest things because they are afraid that they will get shot. Also studies have proven that legalizing guns increases suicides.

It should be a rule on this forum that, if you're going to make claims, give links/sources to back them up. I'd like to see where legalizing guns increases suicides. You ARE aware that you can commit suicide by other methods, correct?

Also, people wouldn't be terrified if you didn't have a mass consensus that was trying to paint a portrait that the sole purpose of a gun is simply to kill. Guns can protect and save lives. That's why officers use them when their lives or the lives of others are in danger. If you are able to get people to realize that a gun is simply an object of self defense and not a tool designed for murder, then the public opinion could change. But no one wants to do that, because it's easier to point your finger and blame something than it is to change your opinion.

[canadaboy44]

legalizing guns isn't the problem, neither is improving police forces, it the almost complete ban on them that will fix things, here in Canada, you have to pass security checks to own a firearm, guns here are allowed for hunting...when not in use one must follow rules such as a gun must be locked in a certain box with the ammo being stored in a different box with a certain amount of space away...people with mental illness or criminal records cant have one

[Sugaree]

legalizing guns isn't the problem, neither is improving police forces, it the almost complete ban on them that will fix things, here in Canada, you have to pass security checks to own a firearm, guns here are allowed for hunting...when not in use one must follow rules such as a gun must be locked in a certain box with the ammo being stored in a different box with a certain amount of space away...people with mental illness or criminal records cant have one

That's all well and good, but how are you checking to make sure someone with a criminal record doesn't actually have a gun? Just because the law says "If you have a criminal record, you can't have a gun" doesn't mean that a person with a criminal record isn't going to find an illegal dealer and get a gun from that dealer.

[canadaboy44]

That's all well and good, but how are you checking to make sure someone with a criminal record doesn't actually have a gun? Just because the law says "If you have a criminal record, you can't have a gun" doesn't mean that a person with a criminal record isn't going to find an illegal dealer and get a gun from that dealer.

no you are right, most guns here are registered and can be directly traced to someone, however people to get guns illegally...mostly from the US, where tracking them is hard, so the system is not perfect, but for the most part it works fine, we done have people going into schools, malls, and movie theatres killing people every week

[britishboy]

when will people realise everyone armed is a bad Idea? an unarmed phyco can be taken out with a tazer, usually with no fatalities or injuries, give that phyco a gun, hundreds can die and officers at risk

[Harry Smith]

It should be a rule on this forum that, if you're going to make claims, give links/sources to back them up. I'd like to see where legalizing guns increases suicides. You ARE aware that you can commit suicide by other methods, correct?

Also, people wouldn't be terrified if you didn't have a mass consensus that was trying to paint a portrait that the sole purpose of a gun is simply to kill. Guns can protect and save lives. That's why officers use them when their lives or the lives of others are in danger. If you are able to get people to realize that a gun is simply an object of self defense and not a tool designed for murder, then the public opinion could change. But no one wants to do that, because it's easier to point your finger and blame something than it is to change your opinion.

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 3 to 5 and increases the risk of suicide with a firearm by a factor of 17 Kellerman p.467

.Every time a gun injures or kills in self-defense, it is used:

11 times for completed and attempted suicides (Kellermann, 1998, p. 263).
7 times in criminal assaults and homicides, and
4 times in unintentional shooting deaths or injuries.

This pretty much sums it up nicely, I'm not denying that guns aren't used for self defense, because they are and yes they have prevented crime but that argument can't be used to justify having some sort of loosely organized militia. It's this predominately out of date idea that because some-one could have something you must arm yourself to the barrel rather than addressing the actual problem.

It also comes back to the idea of what the gun is used for and why it was designed, and simply it was designed to kill another human simple as. They're an extremely dangerous weapon and they should at least be regulated as in Britain to reduce the number of criminals and unfit personal have who access to firearms

[dsi411]

I think if the teachers have guns, then some of the crazy students will try to steal them and shoot people.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Really, the truth of the matter is, crazy people are hellbent on getting the weapons they want to slaughter with, most of the time illegally. Really it is a good idea. But nobody listens to me so, believe what you want until you regret it I guess. Nobody here seems to realize a black market exists (wows me, how do people obtain AK47s that are illegal, in two different ways?)

[johndoe1112]

my favorite thing about this thread that i made is that the people keep saying in other countries there is no gun violance and there oviously talking about europe but let me refresh your memory about europes lovely history

[ksdnfkfr]

I do not mean to trivialize what happened in Sparks.
But when you think of how many thousands of schools
there are in the US and compare that to how many have
had shootings, the odds of you being shot at school are
astronomically unlikely. Therefore there is no practical reason
for teachers to carry guns, or for schools to have armed guards
or any of that. A crazy kid could just as easily drive a car onto
school grounds and mow down students and teachers.

[Stronk Serb]

my favorite thing about this thread that i made is that the people keep saying in other countries there is no gun violance and there oviously talking about europe but let me refresh your memory about europes lovely history

They were gassed, not shot. Of course there is gun violence in warzone, your argument is invalid. Not to mention that the lovely Americans slaughtered countless civilians, invaded countries just because they didn't like them and imprison people just because they are from the Middle East. Many Americans are obbsessed with guns, and guns are so easy to get there. You let psychos run around with guns, and the problems will worsen by giving a gun to everybody, not to mention any type of gun.

[johndoe1112]

so are canadians if you watch that fat fuck michael moore movie you would know that it goes both ways

They were gassed, not shot. Of course there is gun violence in warzone, your argument is invalid. Not to mention that the lovely Americans slaughtered countless civilians, invaded countries just because they didn't like them and imprison people just because they are from the Middle East. Many Americans are obbsessed with guns, and guns are so easy to get there. You let psychos run around with guns, and the problems will worsen by giving a gun to everybody, not to mention any type of gun.

and also do you think that the jewish people just said oh well i guess im going to do what they say no they had mp40 pointing at them nobody in there right mind would give up that easily


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[Stronk Serb]

and also do you think that the jewish people just said oh well i guess im going to do what they say no they had mp40 pointing at them nobody in there right mind would give up that easily

It was not like a random shooting spree...

[johndoe1112]

no it was genocide on a entire race so i think it even worse

[Stronk Serb]

no it was genocide on a entire race so i think it even worse

Even if those Jews had guns, it wouldn't have changed shit. They would just get shot instead of gassed.

[johndoe1112]

Even if those Jews had guns, it wouldn't have changed shit. They would just get shot instead of gassed.

but they would of have a fighting chance

[scooter 26]

I don't think all guns should be legal. I dont think people should beable to have a machine gun

[Luminous]

Making guns illegal isn't going to stop criminals from getting them. How many people have been arrested with illegal guns anyways? A lot.

[Stronk Serb]

but they would of have a fighting chance

No, they would get slaughtered anyway.

[Vlerchan]

Making guns illegal isn't going to stop criminals from getting them. How many people have been arrested with illegal guns anyways? A lot.
Think about where these individuals get their illegal guns from. Hint: 200,000 legally-owned guns are reported missing or stolen every year. 96% of missing guns are later found to have been stolen. (Source) (http://www.governing.com/gov-data/stolen-guns-lost-firearms-by-state-data.html)

[othees]

Making guns is a little too easy for stronger laws to work as well.

[sqishy]

Very bad idea to legalise guns
that's my simplified opinion

[johndoe1112]

well im going to apply for my ffl license tommorow so i can own a full auto m16 so i guess all guns are legal with the proper license

[Zenos]

an unarmed population is at the mercy not only from criminals but tyranny.our founding fathers knew this and knew people have the rights to be armed fordefence and thus ensured we have that right.obviously people arguing against guns have never had to watch their sons or dauthers or wives be gangraped by thugs

[johndoe1112]

an unarmed population is at the mercy not only from criminals but tyranny.our founding fathers knew this and knew people have the rights to be armed fordefence and thus ensured we have that right.obviously people arguing against guns have never had to watch their sons or dauthers or wives be gangraped by thugs

see someone finally gets what im talking about

[satarra3180]

i would perfer if all guns where legal to get and people like teachers could get them and have them on them in school. your probly going to say some shit about my opinion and i could give a fuck less because if that principle had a pistol on her during that shooting it would not have ended how it did but this is not about my opinion this is about yours please share

I would want to ask teachers and principals if they preferred to carry guns or not. I think their opinion matters most since they would be given that responsibility.

[Cpt_Cutter]

an unarmed population is at the mercy not only from criminals but tyranny.our founding fathers knew this and knew people have the rights to be armed fordefence and thus ensured we have that right.obviously people arguing against guns have never had to watch their sons or dauthers or wives be gangraped by thugs

Have you ever seen your son or daughter or wife gang raped? If they were and you have, one gun is only going to get you killed, not stop them. This is the logic that stops progress. I am Ok with gun ownership for self defense, but there's a limit. Pistols are the line. You do not, and for the foreseeable future, will not need 3 M4-A1's to defend your suburban home, neither do you need an extended magazine, hi-powered hunting rifle or shotgun. What the founding fathers said was written in a time where there were still bandits and raiders living in the countryside and no-one knew that was on the western side of the U.S. It was mainly written to provide an excuse to have a country-wide militia to defend against the British, which were still a major threat to american independence. There is no situation where if you live in a city or even anywhere near a city that you need anything that fires something larger than a 9mm or even needs 2 hands to be used.

[Zenos]

Have you ever seen your son or daughter or wife gang raped? If they were and you have, one gun is only going to get you killed, not stop them. This is the logic that stops progress. I am Ok with gun ownership for self defense, but there's a limit. Pistols are the line. You do not, and for the foreseeable future, will not need 3 M4-A1's to defend your suburban home, neither do you need an extended magazine, hi-powered hunting rifle or shotgun. What the founding fathers said was written in a time where there were still bandits and raiders living in the countryside and no-one knew that was on the western side of the U.S. It was mainly written to provide an excuse to have a country-wide militia to defend against the British, which were still a major threat to american independence. There is no situation where if you live in a city or even anywhere near a city that you need anything that fires something larger than a 9mm or even needs 2 hands to be used.

and u have just spouted the biggest load of bs ever.owning one gun for defence is nt going to get u killed.plus a 9mm is not the best hand gun for defenc stopping poweer wise.secondly we have the right two own rifles and shotguns for homedfence.as a matter of fact a guy did break in to try to rape my mom and a shotgun endd the quick like and in a hurry.u must live in a crime free zone or a fantasty world to not realize there is still a ciminal elment and violent crimes happen daily.oh and people back when the usa was founded realizd there was a pacific ocean and thus a west coast.people where not that ignorant back then.though people ar that ignorant now to assume they where that ignorant back then

[Harry Smith]

and u have just spouted the biggest load of bs ever.owning one gun for defence is nt going to get u killed.plus a 9mm is not the best hand gun for defenc stopping poweer wise.secondly we have the right two own rifles and shotguns for homedfence.as a matter of fact a guy did break in to try to rape my mom and a shotgun endd the quick like and in a hurry.u must live in a crime free zone or a fantasty world to not realize there is still a ciminal elment and violent crimes happen daily.oh and people back when the usa was founded realizd there was a pacific ocean and thus a west coast.people where not that ignorant back then.though people ar that ignorant now to assume they where that ignorant back then

What are you smoking pal?

I live in an area with a high crime rate, and strict gun control laws. People don't break into my house and rape my parents because we lock our back door.You don't need to give everyone a 12 bore shotgun to protect themself from this 'bogeyman' esque monster that is going to rape them.

You have the right to self defense, but giving everyone access to high powered weapons means that the person you're coming up against is most likely to be better armed and better prepared, most domestic firearms are kept unloaded and locked away for protection

[Cpt_Cutter]

and u have just spouted the biggest load of bs ever.owning one gun for defence is nt going to get u killed.plus a 9mm is not the best hand gun for defenc stopping poweer wise.secondly we have the right two own rifles and shotguns for homedfence.as a matter of fact a guy did break in to try to rape my mom and a shotgun endd the quick like and in a hurry.u must live in a crime free zone or a fantasty world to not realize there is still a ciminal elment and violent crimes happen daily.oh and people back when the usa was founded realizd there was a pacific ocean and thus a west coast.people where not that ignorant back then.though people ar that ignorant now to assume they where that ignorant back then

You completely ignored what I'm saying. I live in New Zealand, which while doesn't have the highest of crime rates, still has crime. And it has gun laws, which im my opinion, are a bit lax. The last major public shooting was back in the 80's where one man killed half of a small town including several children and a cop. The people having guns would NOT have stopped this. You dont want a 9MM? fine, own a '45. I don't care about the caliber, but you still cant make a valid argument for that much firepower. I am sorry to hear about your mum, but you must live in one hell of an area for that to happen. What the founding fathers wrote is, at this point in time, out of context and 100% unnecessary. There's a reason you can amend the constitution, though I feel because I don't live in the US people are going to go off at me for suggesting They change the most important thing in their history.

[Zenos]

You completely ignored what I'm saying. I live in New Zealand, which while doesn't have the highest of crime rates, still has crime. And it has gun laws, which im my opinion, are a bit lax. The last major public shooting was back in the 80's where one man killed half of a small town including several children and a cop. The people having guns would NOT have stopped this. You dont want a 9MM? fine, own a '45. I don't care about the caliber, but you still cant make a valid argument for that much firepower. I am sorry to hear about your mum, but you must live in one hell of an area for that to happen. What the founding fathers wrote is, at this point in time, out of context and 100% unnecessary. There's a reason you can amend the constitution, though I feel because I don't live in the US people are going to go off at me for suggesting They change the most important thing in their history. lolif it haf not been for that shotgun my mom would have been raped by that drugged up freak.you are damaging your own claims with psuedo logic.plus u are not from the states yo dont know how bad the crime rates regardless of them being with or without any form of weapon gets.plus thats ur opinion that the reason we have guns is outdatex but again as ur not a citizen of the usa i respect your opinion but i reslize its just that as u daid ur nations crime rates are low.plus u must take into account these we gun owners do hunt and we also keep guns so that if we are invaded we would end up resistance behind enemy lines.

What are you smoking pal?

I live in an area with a high crime rate, and strict gun control laws. People don't break into my house and rape my parents because we lock our back door.You don't need to give everyone a 12 bore shotgun to protect themself from this 'bogeyman' esque monster that is going to rape them.

You have the right to self defense, but giving everyone access to high powered weapons means that the person you're coming up against is most likely to be better armed and better prepared, most domestic firearms are kept unloaded and locked away for protection

lol dude my dad and uncles are in law enforcement a criminal is not going to burst in with rigles and shotguns when they break in a house they are going to be carryinv something small and concealable...a handgun.

No, they would get slaughtered anyway.

better to have the means to die on your feet fighting then to die on your knees cowering like a whipped dog. and a whipped passive dog is all that the people screaming no guns no guns really are.because first it'll be guns then other improvised weapons then self defence systems that instructors teach. i am of welsh scottish and irish ancestory and am this a celt so the blood of warriors flows through my veins and i'd rather die on my feet fighting my assailent then cower and die like a whipped dog.


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[Vlerchan]

This is called scaremongering. Take notes, kids.

[Cpt_Cutter]

"u are not from the states yo dont know how bad the crime rates regardless of them being with or without any form of weapon gets"

You do know New Zealand gets CNN, Fox News(however useless it is) and all the rest right? We're on the internet, I was reading a report about gun violence in the USA just last week.



"i reslize its just that as u daid ur nations crime rates are low"

I don't disagree, we have quite a low crime rate, plus I live in quite a non-crime filled area of the city.



"we also keep guns so that if we are invaded we would end up resistance behind enemy lines."

Oh yeah, because a country that hasn't had hostile foreign troops on its soil in just over 200 years which also has one of the most advanced armed forces in the history of man (imo short of Israel) is so likely to be invaded by all those hostile Muslim nations bordering you right? Oh wait, I'm sorry, I got mixed up between whats true and what some would like to believe.
What on earth makes you believe normal civilians would be capable guerrilla fighters against a nation that was powerful enough to invade the US, and not care about war with what I'm assuming would result in every western democracy on the planet. You remember the free french resistance in WW2? They fought against the Germans. You know what happened to them? They got destroyed. Any open confrontation that resulted in more than them throwing a home-made grenade or taking some potshots at a few Germans resulted in their deaths 80% of the time. I'm not insulting them, oh no, they were very helpful in taking Paris because they distracted and harassed the German army, but still.


"and a whipped passive dog is all that the people screaming no guns no guns really are"

If you're trying to be insulting then you aren't failing. How in Hell am I a whipped dog? You have still not posed any real valid reason to have more than a pistol in your home besides hunting, and I can counter that argument in more depth if you like.

The rest of the argument is so infuriating im not going to counter it.

[Zenos]

dude obviously dont realise the free french redistance did a heck of a lot toward disrupting things and that also played a Vital role because it tied up german forces plud they aided allied airmen in escaping to contine the fight and they provivded the allies with much needed intel.also even we can be invaded despite have the worlds most hi tech military. and u totally misunderstand whay american civilians can and could do. plus heres a tip for u most americans dont believe half what out media reports

[Cpt_Cutter]

"dude obviously dont realise the free french redistance did a heck of a lot toward disrupting things and that also played a Vital role because it tied up german forces plud they aided allied airmen in escaping to contine the fight and they provivded the allies with much needed intel."

I never said that they didn't, I just said they suffered large losses. They were effective guerrilla fighters, but not symmetric warfare fighters. They were very helpful to the war effort, im not denying that.


"also even we can be invaded despite have the worlds most hi tech military"

No, you really cant. nothing could come from the middle east without being detected, Russia's military is not exactly as good as it was (no offense to the Russians on here), china couldn't get an invasion force past japan without japan noticing something was up, and no other nation really has the technology to launch a large scale invasion across an ocean.


"and u totally misunderstand whay american civilians can and could do"

And you do?


"plus heres a tip for u most americans dont believe half what out media reports"

No offence, but that Isn't in any way a good thing. At all.

[Zenos]

yeh i do understand my people well. secondly this nation when it comes to warfare has a history of irrrgular warfare meaning the the type stuff that would go on behind enemy lines resistance style. any nation even ours can be invaded as to thr chinese all thr japanese would be allowed to do as per there constitution would be to warn us thats it their constitution forbids them from declaring war ot engaging in combat except if first attacked.

[Zenos]

capt.cutter i have always wondered why it is that citizens of other nations are so keen on the idea of getting americans to just give up a right that our founding fathers believed was a fundamental right of all people. a realtive fought during ww2 against the axis during WW3 and the axis is a good enough example as too why an armed populace is vital so that said populace will have the chamce to remove said tyrants. but i dont expect u to understand that nor us nor our values

[PinkFloyd]

my favorite thing about this thread that i made is that the people keep saying in other countries there is no gun violance and there oviously talking about europe but let me refresh your memory about europes lovely history

Oh yeah.... that... damn

[Cpt_Cutter]

capt.cutter i have always wondered why it is that citizens of other nations are so keen on the idea of getting americans to just give up a right that our founding fathers believed was a fundamental right of all people. a realtive fought during ww2 against the axis during WW3 and the axis is a good enough example as too why an armed populace is vital so that said populace will have the chamce to remove said tyrants. but i dont expect u to understand that nor us nor our values


1. My great-grandfather fought against the Japanese in the pacific, and he saw some pretty damn bad things as a medic, so I know what having family who served is like.

2. This is what you don't get, The founding fathers thought it was a fundamental right IN THE CONTEXT OF THE TIME. It has no context now as america has such strong armed forces in the form of the Army, Navy, Air-Force, Coast Guard (Which is an armed force larger than the New Zealand navy in itself) and the National Guard. The majority of Americans who own guns are not really contributing to the defense.

3. You don't seem to understand that by the time Hitler took power, More than 60% of Germany SUPPORTED him and his goals. The rest had to openly support it even if they didn't privately support it or they would have been killed. That's the problem with an armed society, all them all having guns would have created would be a bigger headache for the allies who would have to kill nearly everyone they came across not just the soldiers due to the devotion of the public to Hitlers Reich. The German army was running short of supplies toward the end of the war, imagine if they had several million more guns? It would make a lot more dead allied soldiers.

4. While what you said about japan is in-fact true (though there are calls in japan to overturn that segment of the constitution), The Japanese would warn the US due to their strong ties. It's a lot harder to invade a country that knows when and where its going to happen.

5. America has a history of irregular warfare as much as New Zealand does against the Maori back in the 1800's. Post war-of-independence Americas war has either been as symmetrical as a square (civil war), conventional (everything except Vietnam) counter guerrilla (Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq) or overwhelming force (Both invasions of Iraq, the invasion of panama, etc.) Overwhelming force is the same as symmetrical warfare except the enemies have pistols and you have nukes.

6. That last sentence didn't make sense.

[Zenos]

let me just put it like this want to change things here become a citizen until then stop telling us ehat we have to change here and stop acting like u know what right is still applivable to america today. our supteme court has ruled many times on this in favor of the right to own and bear arms as still neing nrcessary and that it is a FUNAMENTAL right of all citizens to brable to own guns for self defence.you know people from other countries come on here speeing anti gun nonsence aiming it at the impressionable among us teens hoping to get us to get rid of guns and those that fall for it end up spitting in the faces of those who have serrved fought bled and died to keep this nation free and our rights intact

[Cpt_Cutter]

let me just put it like this want to change things here become a citizen until then stop telling us ehat we have to change here and stop acting like u know what right is still applivable to america today. our supteme court has ruled many times on this in favor of the right to own and bear arms as still neing nrcessary and that it is a FUNAMENTAL right of all citizens to brable to own guns for self defence.

It is fundamental because it is in the constitution, it is not in the constitution because it is fundamental. That is the reason the supreme court supports it, because they themselves could not order a change in the constitution (iirc)

I understand your point about moving to america, but I am still allowed to have and voice my opinion no matter where i live.

[Zenos]

It is fundamental because it is in the constitution, it is not in the constitution because it is fundamental. That is the reason the supreme court supports it, because they themselves could not order a change in the constitution (iirc)

I understand your point about moving to america, but I am still allowed to have and voice my opinion no matter where i live.

lol dudr its in our constitution because thr founding fathers thoughy we had inalienable rights.meaning these r rights fundamental to humans

[Cpt_Cutter]

lol dudr its in our constitution because thr founding fathers thoughy we had inalienable rights.meaning these r rights fundamental to humans

You don't get it. I've tried explaining this about 4 times now. (Mods, don't hate me for having to caps lock this next sentence).

IT WAS INALIENABLE AT THE TIME THAT THEY CREATED THE AMENDMENT, DUE TO THE THREATS TO THE NATION. IT IS NO LONGER REMOTELY NECESSARY. Using your logic everything from the old testament from the bible should be followed like law because they were written at a time that the writer thought that they were facts of life and had to be followed.

[Zenos]

It is fundamental because it is in the constitution, it is not in the constitution because it is fundamental. That is the reason the supreme court supports it, because they themselves could not order a change in the constitution (iirc)

I understand your point about moving to america, but I am still allowed to have and voice my opinion no matter where i live.

You don't get it. I've tried explaining this about 4 times now. (Mods, don't hate me for having to caps lock this next sentence).

IT WAS INALIENABLE AT THE TIME THAT THEY CREATED THE AMENDMENT, DUE TO THE THREATS TO THE NATION. IT IS NO LONGER REMOTELY NECESSARY. Using your logic everything from the old testament from the bible should be followed like law because they were written at a time that the writer thought that they were facts of life and had to be followed.
look just stop trying to define our rights. i am going to spell it out to u since udo not undetsyand america and its viewd on our rights. the founding fathers felt it wad an inalienablr right given to all americans by birth for all time not just back then but now as well which is why the supreme court rules in favor of it because inalirnable that our rights cannot be taken from us and that applies to americans fot all timr so please stop trying to educate american teens with ut misuderstanding of our inalienablr rights just because u dislike guns

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Zenos;2585559]look just stop trying to define our rights. i am going to spell it out to u since udo not undetsyand america and its viewd on our rights. the founding fathers felt it wad an inalienablr right given to all americans by birth for all time not just back then but now as well which is why the supreme court rules in favor of it because inalirnable that our rights cannot be taken from us and that applies to americans fot all timr so please stop trying to educate american teens with ut misudertanding of our inalienablr rights just because u dislike gund

[Cpt_Cutter]

look just stop trying to define our rights. i am going to spell it out to u since udo not undetsyand america and its viewd on our rights. the founding fathers felt it wad an inalienablr right given to all americans by birth for all time not just back then but now as well which is why the supreme court rules in favor of it because inalirnable that our rights cannot be taken from us and that applies to americans fot all timr so please stop trying to educate american teens with ut misuderstanding of our inalienablr rights just because u dislike guns

You aren't reading my posts, and that's Ok, you don't have to. The reason they wrote it as an inalienable right is because they could not foresee a future like the one we have now, where america would be one of the most powerful countries ever. It is, at this point, a nation where it does not need a city militia to defend each city/town. Can you agree with the part about the not needing a militia, or do you not agree?

[Zenos]

You aren't reading my posts, and that's Ok, you don't have to. The reason they wrote it as an inalienable right is because they could not foresee a future like the one we have now, where america would be one of the most powerful countries ever. It is, at this point, a nation where it does not need a city militia to defend each city/town. Can you agree with the part about the not needing a militia, or do you not agree?

ee dont havr malitia noe ee have the national gurad but u are fail to see and understand this all of the rights of our forefathers are passed on to each succeeding generation bevause of the fact they are inalienable it does not matter thay we no longer havr malitia that right to own and bear arms is the right of all american citizens so long as this nation stands that right is not out dayed bevause we still neef to be rady to degend outselves against criminals . tell me this why are u so hellbent to getting us american yeens to give up this right to own guns

[Zenos]

i hate using cell phones for the net

[Cpt_Cutter]

ee dont havr malitia noe ee have the national gurad but u are fail to see and understand this all of the rights of our forefathers are passed on to each succeeding generation bevause of the fact they are inalienable it does not matter thay we no longer havr malitia that right to own and bear arms is the right of all american citizens so long as this nation stands that right is not out dayed bevause we still neef to be rady to degend outselves against criminals . tell me this why are u so hellbent to getting us american yeens to give up this right to own guns

I'm not trying to get you to give up owning guns, where did I say that? I am showing my opinion on the legalization of all guns, as the thread shows, then countering the arguments you propose against mine.

[Zenos]

I'm not trying to get you to give up owning guns, where did I say that? I am showing my opinion on the legalization of all guns, as the thread shows, then countering the arguments you propose against mine.

but urs arguements are coming from the point of not understanding and why we cherish all of our rights even the right to own and beat arms.plus u keep going on with what u think our founding fathers meant when its clear to americans just what they meant. ur trying to explian our rights to us is about like me tying to explain judi aism to a jew.whose going to have the beyter understand of it me a druid or the jew?same applies here as well

[Zenos]

look its late here i going to go to sleep but im going to lrsve u with this if u want to understand us and ejywe own guns u first have to stop telling us about our rights and when wjat rights brcame invalid instrad try living among us for several years and tjus get to know about us first hand amd forget what u might be told in some university in ur nation what our rigjys are etc etc

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I do not think the violence problem rests solely, or even mostly, with guns. That does not mean all guns are to be made legal to carry and to obtain. You use the example of a teacher in a school shooting with a gun. Who is to say that that principal with the high powered gun with a nearly unlimited clip won't go on a spree herself? There are no clear cut good guys and bad guys. Now keep in mind that your all guns legal would make it easier for gang organizations to obtain them. The reason the murder rate is so high is because of gangs and "the war on drugs" (the war on drugs is unbelievably screwed up but that's another post) School shootings and such are extremly rare compared to other murders (although tragic). All making all weapons legal would do is increase these. Personally I believe a bit more gun control would help some.

In order to solve to problems with gun violence, we must focus on the people. Focusing just on the guns will not work. In order to vastly solve this and many other crimes we must focus on social welfare, education (including free through collage), the abominable distribution of wealth in America, universal healthcare (including mental health), and on our families. Legalizing all drugs would also end a ton of violence and murder as Well as benefiting the economy. I mean all drugs in this. Not just pot. If someone wants to snort some coke, Why should we judge them or stop them? :) Anyway instead of looking at the weapons we need to back up and look at the origin of the problem. Sorry this is so short. I gtg. :)