Is the Ku Klux Klan no longer a hateful organization?

[dsi411]

This mom in this video says that the KKK has been raising money for St.Jude where she lives. Does this mean the KKK has left the dark side? Also what do you think of the kid's Halloween costume in this video?
8MWQWySobyk
Watch the whole video.

[conniption]

Yes, they do really nice things for their community, but I still don't agree with what they stand for. Don't hate them, but I don't like them either.

[thatcountrykid]

There is a thing called the one percenters. Only one percent of the group is truly bad. The rest simply have pride.

[Korashk]

This mom in this video says that the KKK has been raising money for St.Jude where she lives. Does this mean the KKK has left the dark side? Also what do you think of the kid's Halloween costume in this video?
Watch the whole video.
Hell's Angels raise money and toys for children's charities. That doesn't make them not a murderous biker gang.

There is a thing called the one percenters. Only one percent of the group is truly bad. The rest simply have pride.
Pride in a group based around violently asserting the supremacy of white people and oppressing basically everybody that isn't a white protestant?

[thatcountrykid]

Hell's Angels raise money and toys for children's charities. That doesn't make them not a murderous biker gang.


Pride in a group based around violently asserting the supremacy of white people and oppressing basically everybody that isn't a white protestant?

That is what the 1 percenters do. Others are no different than a gay pride club or an african pride group.

[Korashk]

That is what the 1 percenters do. Others are no different than a gay pride club or an african pride group.
Are you being serious right now? Are you seriously claiming that the KKK, one of the most violent and hateful groups in American history, is now analogous to the various LGBT movements and the NAACP but for white people?

How deluded can a person be? The only thing the KKK has ever officially done is advocate the continuing oppression of <insert minority group here>. There's nothing to take pride in unless you're a racist or other prejudicial bigot.

[ksdnfkfr]

To me that just means the KKK have a good
public relations manager. A good enough PR
person can make Satan look like Mother Teressa.

[Mushin]

Nope, they're still the same group. They're still discriminatory and hateful to pretty much any ethnicity that isn't white. Doing good deeds for their community doesn't change that, it's just a publicity act.

[thatcountrykid]

Are you being serious right now? Are you seriously claiming that the KKK, one of the most violent and hateful groups in American history, is now analogous to the various LGBT movements and the NAACP but for white people?

How deluded can a person be? The only thing the KKK has ever officially done is advocate the continuing oppression of <insert minority group here>. There's nothing to take pride in unless you're a racist or other prejudicial bigot.

People only see the bad ones. Im willin to bet that youve never seen them in action or know somebody in em. I do. Some family member from awhile ago where in the kkk. The never held rallys or burned crosses. They had black friends. To many of them is is pride of who they are. Just like the gay straight alliance in my school. Or ujima for african american or lulac for hispanics.

[Harry Smith]

People only see the bad ones. Im willin to bet that youve never seen them in action or know somebody in em. I do. Some family member from awhile ago where in the kkk. The never held rallys or burned crosses. They had black friends. To many of them is is pride of who they are. Just like the gay straight alliance in my school. Or ujima for african american or lulac for hispanics.

Yeah the old black friend argument. Have you never studied the civil rights period?

They take pride in having racist views- they believe that white people are better than black people. The worst thing is that they believe this in the 21st Century. If you defend the Ku Klux Klan you might as well be defending the Nazis

The KKK is an organizations in the United States, which have advocated extremist reactionary currents such as white supremacy, white nationalism, and anti-immigration, historically expressed through terrorism

[britishboy]

I dont know too much about this (actually nothing) however I would assume they're trying to rebrand themselves as a non racist organisation when they still may be

[thatcountrykid]

Yeah the old black friend argument. Have you never studied the civil rights period?

They take pride in having racist views- they believe that white people are better than black people. The worst thing is that they believe this in the 21st Century. If you defend the Ku Klux Klan you might as well be defending the Nazis

There is a difference between killing 6 million jews and havin pride.

[Korashk]

There is a difference between killing 6 million jews and havin pride.
Yes, you are technically correct. Except that the only thing to be prideful of when it comes to the KKK is being prideful of the viewpoints that the organization represents...which is the supremacy of the white race. This is not an arguable fact. It's stated on their goddamn website. It literally says on their website that one of the political positions of the "Knights Party" is that if you aren't white and don't like the way things are they'll kick you out of America free of charge.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

They are still quite hateful.

One percenters? More like MAJORITY. I don't know if you heard this, but white supremacist groups are still QUITE violent, still killing Africans, Hispanics, and Asians. (Anything NOT Caucasian) Still motivated by racist ideals. Still White Supremacists. And still being blatantly hateful.

[Sir Suomi]

No, the KKK is still terrible. I could never consider them to be a "good organization", just because of some bullshit PR stunts they've done in order to try and look good to the public. There's nothing wrong with having pride in your ethnicity, but when your "pride" results in harassment, beating, and murder of another group of people, that's where it crosses the line. As previously stated, supporting the KKK is the same as supporting the Nazis.

But, on a side note, the child had the right to wear the costume, that is, if he truly wanted to wear it. But, after hearing his mother speak, it appears he's just been brainwashed into believing an absurd idea, which is basically the only reason this movement has stayed alive for so long. It's sad to see such potential wasted on an innocent child.

[thatcountrykid]

Yes, you are technically correct. Except that the only thing to be prideful of when it comes to the KKK is being prideful of the viewpoints that the organization represents...which is the supremacy of the white race. This is not an arguable fact. It's stated on their goddamn website. It literally says on their website that one of the political positions of the "Knights Party" is that if you aren't white and don't like the way things are they'll kick you out of America free of charge.

Once again, not all are like that. My family was not like that. I think many people confuse the skin head movement with kkk sometimes.

They are still quite hateful.

One percenters? More like MAJORITY. I don't know if you heard this, but white supremacist groups are still QUITE violent, still killing Africans, Hispanics, and Asians. (Anything NOT Caucasian) Still motivated by racist ideals. Still White Supremacists. And still being blatantly hateful.

While that is true, it is not only white people who commit racially mitivated crimes. I have a close friend who, like me, most people would classify as a redneck. He was jumped by 5 black kids. Theyre reason. For what his ancestors did. He never did a thing to them. Tell me thats nots racist. White people arent the only racists.

[Stronk Serb]

Once again, not all are like that. My family was not like that. I think many people confuse the skin head movement with kkk sometimes.

The Skinheads started in the sixties and in the late seventies a small part of them became racist. There are a ton more Skinheads that are not racist. Sadly 99.9 % of the media are saying all Skinheads are Neo-Nazis. On the other hand, the KKK has been racist since it was founded.

[martogogo]

yes it is

[Korashk]

Once again, not all are like that. My family was not like that. I think many people confuse the skin head movement with kkk sometimes.
Why would your family join the KKK is they're not racist and for the oppression of minorities? There's no reason. That's what the group stands for. If they don't want to be considered racist assholes they shouldn't have joined the KKK.

While that is true, it is not only white people who commit racially mitivated crimes. I have a close friend who, like me, most people would classify as a redneck. He was jumped by 5 black kids. Theyre reason. For what his ancestors did. He never did a thing to them. Tell me thats nots racist. White people arent the only racists.
So what? This has nothing to do with the discussion other than to try and deflect the topic.

[thatcountrykid]

Why would your family join the KKK is they're not racist and for the oppression of minorities? There's no reason. That's what the group stands for. If they don't want to be considered racist assholes they shouldn't have joined the KKK.

Say what you wan about anything else. But dont disrespect my family. The joined because of pride. To them it wasnt that they hated black people. It was because they were proud to be white.

So what? This has nothing to do with the discussion other than to try and deflect the topic.

It does. Everybody is saying that " only white peoe are racist." To be honest, te only reason the treyvon martin case got so much attention because he was an african american and zimmerman was white.

[teen.jpg]

If they didn't want to be known as a racist I'm pretty sure the KKK isn't the organization you'd choose.

They were racist, are racist, will always BE racist. No amount of charity will change that.

It does. Everybody is saying that " only white peoe are racist." To be honest, te only reason the treyvon martin case got so much attention because he was an african american and zimmerman was white.

Who even mentioned anything about Trayvon or the fact that "only white people are racist"? I mean you can defend a discriminatory organization all you want, but don't pull in irrelevant topics to make them look better.

-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Korashk]

Everybody is saying that " only white peoe are racist."
Nobody has said that but you.

[Harry Smith]

It does. Everybody is saying that " only white peoe are racist." To be honest, te only reason the treyvon martin case got so much attention because he was an african american and zimmerman was white.

We're not saying only white people are racist- we're saying that a group which hangs, burns and tortures black people is racist. And also classed as a terrorist group

[thatcountrykid]

If they didn't want to be known as a racist I'm pretty sure the KKK isn't the organization you'd choose.

They were racist, are racist, will always BE racist. No amount of charity will change that.



Who even mentioned anything about Trayvon or the fact that "only white people are racist"? I mean you can defend a discriminatory organization all you want, but don't pull in irrelevant topics to make them look better.

-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

Nobody has said that but you.

We're not saying only white people are racist- we're saying that a group which hangs, burns and tortures black people is racist. And also classed as a terrorist group

Te point of the is everybody still freaks out because of race. People pull the rae card crap all the time. The kkk may have changed some but no body is willing to even consider the fact just because of the history.

[teen.jpg]

Te point of the is everybody still freaks out because of race. People pull the rae card crap all the time. The kkk may have changed some but no body is willing to even consider the fact just because of the history.

And what makes you think they "changed" so much that they're now on the same level as the NAACP or a Gay Pride group?

[Magus]

The KKK considers themselves to be superior to other races. That, dear, is considered supremacy, i.e active racism.

[PinkFloyd]

Even though I disagree with their beliefs, I don't hate them like I do when it comes to other groups like them like the WBC for example.

[Human]

They are a white pride organisation... like someone else said a portion of them are what we would consider racist. That doesn't meant the whole group is racist, they have pride in being white similar to how black people might have pride in being black

*that's just from very limited knowledge

[Desuetude]

The KKK is still out there in society preaching racist messages. No it's not just white people that are or can be racist but in the KKK it's white people that are being racist. They agree with white supremecy and anti-immigration and those views are not acceptable, we're in the 21st century now and it's considered that everyone deserves equal rights. The Klans numbers are decreasing thankfully, obviously people are starting to realise that racism is no longer relevant in todays society. Like others have said, just because they're raising money for a charity it doesn't make their beliefs right or their orgianisation good. It just means they're doing a good deed completely irrelevant of what the KKK stands for.

[thatcountrykid]

And what makes you think they "changed" so much that they're now on the same level as the NAACP or a Gay Pride group?

Im not saying they all changed. I'm saying that, from the beginning, there are members who simply have pride very much like a gay pride group.

[teen.jpg]

Im not saying they all changed. I'm saying that, from the beginning, there are members who simply have pride very much like a gay pride group.

Pride in what, exactly?

Even though I disagree with their beliefs, I don't hate them like I do when it comes to other groups like them like the WBC for example.

(Not defending them at all but) At least the WBC doesn't have a murderous history ...

[thatcountrykid]

Pride in what, exactly?



(Not defending them at all but) At least the WBC doesn't have a murderous history ...

Pride in who they are.

[teen.jpg]

Pride in who they are.

Which is ... ?

[thatcountrykid]

Which is ... ?

Proud to be white. Like others are proud to be gay or proud to be african american.

[teen.jpg]

Proud to be white. Like others are proud to be gay or proud to be african american.

Big difference in how they show their "pride" .....

[thatcountrykid]

Big difference in how they show their "pride" .....

People only see the bad. You see the ones who go out and and portray it. Have you ever done something that looked bad but deep down inside you had good intentions? Thats how the klan is. You see the bad. Yeah majority is bad buy not all.

[Sugaree]

This mom in this video says that the KKK has been raising money for St.Jude where she lives. Does this mean the KKK has left the dark side? Also what do you think of the kid's Halloween costume in this video?
8MWQWySobyk
Watch the whole video.

Just because one chapter of an organization has decided to raise money for an overall greater cause than them does not make that entire organization better. That being said, people are going to look at an organization like the Ku Klux Klan as a hate organization because of their past actions, and it's understandable why they would do that.

I don't agree with their policies and I certainly don't entertain their ideas; but their idea of white pride should be just as acceptable as anything else. It's not what this particular issue boils down to, but since that's what the discussion at hand is leaning toward, we might as well discuss it.

I see no harm in taking pride in your race, I just it as a pretty fucking dumb thing to take pride in. Woo-fucking-hoo, you've got a different pigmentation than me! Way to go. Yeah, big and important people have had different pigmentation of skin, but that's all circumstantial. It's nothing to take pride in and it's certainly nothing to go boasting around down the street in parades. I feel the same way with gay pride parades. Unlike some others on this forum - I won't name names - I don't think gay pride parades are "public disturbances" but rather foolish displays of, well, your own foolishness. There's nothing more foolish than taking pride in something that is CIRCUMSTANTIAL. Just live with it, accept it, and move the hell on.

Stitch, you've got the entire "pride" concept of the KKK wrong. They don't publicly lynch blacks anymore. They don't run them down, chase them up trees, and set dogs after them. In the past? Oh hell yeah, they took pride in that. But now? They're hardly what they used to be. The KKK used to be a very VERY strong political affiliation in the South, that's how it started; it was only when it was infiltrated by racists was the focus shifted from politics to race relations. Knowing your history helps in debates.

[teen.jpg]

Stitch, you've got the entire "pride" concept of the KKK wrong. They don't publicly lynch blacks anymore. They don't run them down, chase them up trees, and set dogs after them. In the past? Oh hell yeah, they took pride in that. But now? They're hardly what they used to be. The KKK used to be a very VERY strong political affiliation in the South, that's how it started; it was only when it was infiltrated by racists was the focus shifted from politics to race relations. Knowing your history helps in debates.

I didn't say that they did? I mean if you're going to try and make me look like I have no idea what I'm talking about, at least understand what I said ...

[thatcountrykid]

I didn't say that they did? I mean if you're going to try and make me look like I have no idea what I'm talking about, at least understand what I said ...

But it is pretty obvious that you think they do that or something of the sort. You focus on their history. That was a hundred years ago. Do they do that now? No.

[whatsgoinon53]

This mom in this video says that the KKK has been raising money for St.Jude where she lives. Does this mean the KKK has left the dark side? Also what do you think of the kid's Halloween costume in this video?
8MWQWySobyk
Watch the whole video.

I need to see something more to believe that the KKK is becoming a charity organisation.

[Sugaree]

I didn't say that they did? I mean if you're going to try and make me look like I have no idea what I'm talking about, at least understand what I said ...

I mean, if you're going to try and make ME look like I have no idea what I'M talking about, at least realize that I did understand what you said.

The KKK show their pride through rallies. It's no different than a gay pride parade or when immigrants went to the National Mall a few weeks ago asking for amnesty. It's literally the same damn thing, yet people call it racist.

[PinkFloyd]

Pride in what, exactly?



(Not defending them at all but) At least the WBC doesn't have a murderous history ...

true

[LouBerry]

The national director of the KKK, Thorn Robb, lives in Harrison Arkansas, about an hour from me. They have marches every so often in the town next to mine. Some of my neighbors are members. I go to school with kids who are waiting to be old enough to join.

I know about that shit. Are they still a hateful organization? Damn right they are. Sure, they don't burn crosses in peoples yards and shit anymore, but they really aren't any different than the Westborro Baptist Church.

They have things like the Day of Shame, as a backlash to the Day of Silence. They teach their children that their gay friends are going to Hell, and to stay emotionally unattached to them. They pull their children out of sports, band, choir, even school, because of the presence of a black student(s). They harshly punish their children because of friendships with black kids. God forbid a KKK son or daughter date or marry a black person, because if that sin is committed, the child is immediately disowned.

Do they do good things for the community? Of course they do. They are a Christian based organization. They don't eat babies and sacrifice living kittens to Satan on weekends. But that doesn't change what they believe, and the things they do. They live to harm people, and that's a hate group.

[SosbanFach]

I'm sorry, but frankly as far as I can see, the organisation was founded about a core of white supremacy, and has therefore been inherently racist from the outset. They present themselves as 'White Nationalists' and 'racial realists'. Honestly, I've just spent a bit of time on one of their forums, and it reminds me in a lot of ways of an extremist Christian forum that was... parodied perhaps, on this site a couple of years ago. That's no basis to say that is inherently racist, granted, but it's not positive regardless.
Furthermore, what other reason would one have to join an organisation which is best known for its hateful attitude towards ethnic minorities? 'White pride' is bullshit as much as is 'straight pride', 'gay pride' (yes, even that) and patriotism. You were born white(/straight/gay/[nationality]). But no, I will need more convincing than just "Well, yes, we support Golden Dawn, an all-white America and the BNP, believe in white supremacy, and yes, we used to publicly torture minorities, opposed equal rights, etc., but look - we raise money for charities too (as long as we don't help black people)." To quote Stephen Fry It’s a bit like a burglar in court saying “you would bring up that burglary and that manslaughter, you never mentioned the fact that I gave my father a birthday present.”

[Lovelife090994]

Nothing will overwrite the KKK's past. They still hold to their brutal beliefs.