Greedy Workers Unions?

[britishboy]

What do you think of them?

[sqishy]

I think the people putting taxes and pay cuts on them are greedy.

[Left Now]

I think the people putting taxes and pay cuts on them are greedy.

We call them with the nick name "Isfahani" in here!

[sqishy]

We call them with the nick name "Isfahani" in here!
Is that an insult in that language :P ?

[Left Now]

Is that an insult in that language :P ?

No,it is just some kind of kidding with Isfahani people in Iran.You know people of City Isfahan in Iran,have a great sense of not spending too much money on things which are needed.

[sqishy]

No,it is just some kind of kidding with Isfahani people in Iran.You know people of City Isfahan in Iran,have a great sense of not spending too much money on things which are needed.
ah ok

[Harry Smith]

It's pretty stupid to call them greedy workers unions when you'll probably be joining one in about 10 years, unions are the backbone of our nation. It allows for everyone to have a voice in politics and in the workplace. Unions do a great deal of good- they provide you with legal aid and they stand up for your rights in the workplace. We don't want to go back to the days when workers were pushed around by corporations that ruled the country.

But yeah I guess your kinda biased due to the fact that the title is extremely biased against unions.

[Hyper]

It's pretty stupid to call them greedy workers unions when you'll probably be joining one in about 10 years, unions are the backbone of our nation. It allows for everyone to have a voice in politics and in the workplace. Unions do a great deal of good- they provide you with legal aid and they stand up for your rights in the workplace. We don't want to go back to the days when workers were pushed around by corporations that ruled the country.

But yeah I guess your kinda biased due to the fact that the title is extremely biased against unions.

No they are greedy communists who want to rob job providers of their well deserved profit margins!

[Stronk Serb]

They pretty much ensure that everyone get's paid accordingly. If you call that greedy, then you have no respect for the workforce.

[ImCoolBeans]

The union I'm in takes $9.50 out of my paycheck every week, it just went up from $9.00. Unions have their place but taking about $10 every week out of a part-time workers paycheck is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. I don't get the benefits that full-time workers get, I actually hardly get any sort of benefit from being a part of the union, so I don't particularly like that the amount they take out is so high. Pretty absurd if you ask me.

It's pretty stupid to call them greedy workers unions when you'll probably be joining one in about 10 years, unions are the backbone of our nation. It allows for everyone to have a voice in politics and in the workplace. Unions do a great deal of good- they provide you with legal aid and they stand up for your rights in the workplace. We don't want to go back to the days when workers were pushed around by corporations that ruled the country.

But yeah I guess your kinda biased due to the fact that the title is extremely biased against unions.

While this may have truths to it, part-time workers make such little money to begin with and often don't receive much benefit from being a part of a union. Have you ever been a part of one? It's nice to know that you're "protected" as a worker, but that's also about $520 dollars every year that I could make very good use out of and would certainly feel in my income.

Union dues for part-timers should generally be lower, or unions should offer more benefits to part-timers. Unions often claim to offer fair benefits for part timers but these benefits can be staggered so you get them after being an employee for 2 or 3 plus years -- a lot of people who attend school and/or go off to college/university don't work in the same place for that long. I'm probably one of like 6 part timers that have stayed at my job in the duration that I've been there. I've been there for almost three years now, so I'll be getting small benefits soon but all of those people who worked there for one and a half to two years payed into the union for nothing, especially if they didn't need to consult the union for anything during the time they were with the company (which almost never happens to begin with). Slightly scammy (new word!) if you ask me.

[Cygnus]

Their cause might be good, but there is so much corruption that gets into them that you do not know if it is better in the end, usually the leader of those workers unions are in an extremely favorable position that could be linked to mafia-like work, and that is something I do not agree with.

[Sugaree]

The union I'm part of is actually quite useful. Only costs me about 5 dollars out of my paycheck per month, and as a part-time worker, I can't really complain about the cost. On top of that, I wasn't pressured to join the union as it was completely optional. I only joined as it offered additional security benefits to the job.

While I don't get benefits like insurance or other "premium" services like full-time workers get, I still get things like union representation when I feel that my manager is misusing company resources. If I ever see my manager abusing employees verbally, I can report it to the union and they'll get a representative there immediately to deal with the problem. In most cases, the union doesn't have to be called. Not because it's some greedy force, but because it just works. But this is a rare case of what a union SHOULD be, not what many unions, unfortunately, have become.

Unions used to be needed in order to protect the worker from abusive corporate heads. Now, many unions are nothing more than political forces looking to serve their own needs and not then needs of the workers. Look at Mike's case; he's only a part-time worker and he's being charged ten dollars out of his paycheck, which I have no doubt he works hard for every month, just in union fees. Is he getting any real benefit out of that ten dollars he has to sacrifice? Obviously not. Then you can look at me, who is only paying half that and is getting all these representation benefits for almost nothing.

Unions are part and parcel these days, but not all of them are evil.

[ImCoolBeans]

The union I'm part of is actually quite useful. Only costs me about 5 dollars out of my paycheck per month, and as a part-time worker, I can't really complain about the cost. On top of that, I wasn't pressured to join the union as it was completely optional. I only joined as it offered additional security benefits to the job.

While I don't get benefits like insurance or other "premium" services like full-time workers get, I still get things like union representation when I feel that my manager is misusing company resources. If I ever see my manager abusing employees verbally, I can report it to the union and they'll get a representative there immediately to deal with the problem. In most cases, the union doesn't have to be called. Not because it's some greedy force, but because it just works. But this is a rare case of what a union SHOULD be, not what many unions, unfortunately, have become.

Unions used to be needed in order to protect the worker from abusive corporate heads. Now, many unions are nothing more than political forces looking to serve their own needs and not then needs of the workers. Look at Mike's case; he's only a part-time worker and he's being charged ten dollars out of his paycheck, which I have no doubt he works hard for every month, just in union fees. Is he getting any real benefit out of that ten dollars he has to sacrifice? Obviously not. Then you can look at me, who is only paying half that and is getting all these representation benefits for almost nothing.

Unions are part and parcel these days, but not all of them are evil.

And this is why I did mention in my post, Harry, that there are possible benefits to being a part of a union. Because like Matt explained, he pays only five dollars every month to be a part of a union, it was optional and the one he described offers good union representation.

I'm paying close to $40 per month. They're very politically driven, I was not given the option to join, I was forced, and they raise their union fees more often than they should. I'm glad you were able to show a good example of a union, Matt, because like you said they aren't all evil. I just hope that you can realize that they aren't all picture perfect as well, Harry.

[britishboy]

my problem with the unions are that they put businesses in bad positions, if a business is failing it must reduce staff or reduce pay, but unions can't understand that, sack the workers and they complain, reduce wages so more keep their jobs and they still complain!

[Stronk Serb]

my problem with the unions are that they put businesses in bad positions, if a business is failing it must reduce staff or reduce pay, but unions can't understand that, sack the workers and they complain, reduce wages so more keep their jobs and they still complain!

At the beginning of every work year, the unions discuss everything with the employers, and the employers know the consequences for not honoring their side of the bargain, so they know full well what they are doing.

[britishboy]

At the beginning of every work year, the unions discuss everything with the employers, and the employers know the consequences for not honoring their side of the bargain, so they know full well what they are doing.

if a business needs to reduce expenditures, thats what it must do, you can predict hitting trouble a year before

[Halide]

I am a union worker. I am an honest worker and do my job with integrity. My union ensures that I am rewarded accordingly for this. It prevents my employer from taking advantage of me.

[Harry Smith]

And this is why I did mention in my post, Harry, that there are possible benefits to being a part of a union. Because like Matt explained, he pays only five dollars every month to be a part of a union, it was optional and the one he described offers good union representation.

I'm paying close to $40 per month. They're very politically driven, I was not given the option to join, I was forced, and they raise their union fees more often than they should. I'm glad you were able to show a good example of a union, Matt, because like you said they aren't all evil. I just hope that you can realize that they aren't all picture perfect as well, Harry.

I'm part of the Student union if that counts, I pay about 15 pound a year for that mainly for the discounts but it still does it's job. I don't think it's right that people get forced into a union, or on the other hand denied the right to have a union.

Unions certainly do have a dark side, I don't know what it's like in the US but over here people are bashing them everyday saying that they're communist and that they're greedy.

my problem with the unions are that they put businesses in bad positions, if a business is failing it must reduce staff or reduce pay, but unions can't understand that, sack the workers and they complain, reduce wages so more keep their jobs and they still complain!

You can't sack people if your business goes bust- you have to make staff redundant. If you sack someone without a legal reason then your going to get sued. Of course workers aren't going to be happy if they're losing their jobs- they need these jobs to feed their family. It's funny how you say workers should take Job losses then you say that welfare should be cut as well- that doesn't add up

if a business needs to reduce expenditures, thats what it must do, you can predict hitting trouble a year before

None of the banks or big businesses predicted the financial crash in 2008 until it was too late. The idea that businesses knows what is going to happen the next year is absurd

[Stronk Serb]

if a business needs to reduce expenditures, thats what it must do, you can predict hitting trouble a year before

If you mean that the owner gets paid less then his greed wants more, so he has to cut salaries to humiliatingly small sizes so that he can eat in a five star restaurant every day, he deserves to go to court. He is abusing workers and the union is there to stop it.

[britishboy]

If you mean that the owner gets paid less then his greed wants more, so he has to cut salaries to humiliatingly small sizes so that he can eat in a five star restaurant every day, he deserves to go to court. He is abusing workers and the union is there to stop it.

yes everyone would normally be sacked (or made redundant if your knit picking) or wages would decrease

whats better, less of a wage or losing uour job

[Harry Smith]

yes everyone would normally be sacked (or made redundant if your knit picking) or wages would decrease

whats better, less of a wage or losing uour job

It's not nitpicking, if your having a debate you should use the correct words because being sacked and being made redundant is completely different.

Losing a wage- but you've got companies like HSBC laying off workers and giving their CEO's 10 million pound bonuses, that doesn't add up.

Unions protect people's rights at work- without them we would live in a very different world. The teaching strike is a prime example of the good that unions can do

[britishboy]

It's not nitpicking, if your having a debate you should use the correct words because being sacked and being made redundant is completely different.

Losing a wage- but you've got companies like HSBC laying off workers and giving their CEO's 10 million pound bonuses, that doesn't add up.

Unions protect people's rights at work- without them we would live in a very different world. The teaching strike is a prime example of the good that unions can do

your trolling, teachers strikes are good? the unions know they're not, thats why they do them

Grangemouth, that sums it up for me

[Harry Smith]

your trolling, teachers strikes are good? the unions know they're not, thats why they do them

Grangemouth, that sums it up for me

Yes Teacher strikes are very good. Teacher are getting fucked over by Mr Gove and he's refused to listen.

-He's the only education minister to get a vote of no confidence from the unions
-He's making teachers work longer
-He's lowering their pension and making them retire later to get it
-He's introducing reforms such as scrapping staff rooms
-The whole free school idea shows how much of a failure he is and he's taken money away from state schools forcing them to be undeveloped
- He's treating teachers like they're not worth anything.

I don't make up bullshit on this section and then claim it to the apostle. I'm in favour of teaching strikes because teachers have it extremely rough.

Grangemouth shows how unions can use their democratic right, something you also bang on about to protest about their job being taken away. They need this job to feed their family, as I mentioned before it's always the tory mindset to cut benefits and then complain when people try to keep their job.

Grangemouth also shows how unions can actually reach an agreement with a business to protect the workers, it's staying open after the UNION managed to reach a deal. Without the union 700 hard working people would be without jobs. That's progress for me

[britishboy]

Yes Teacher strikes are very good. Teacher are getting fucked over by Mr Gove and he's refused to listen.

-He's the only education minister to get a vote of no confidence from the unions
-He's making teachers work longer
-He's lowering their pension and making them retire later to get it
-He's introducing reforms such as scrapping staff rooms
-The whole free school idea shows how much of a failure he is and he's taken money away from state schools forcing them to be undeveloped
- He's treating teachers like they're not worth anything.

I don't make up bullshit on this section and then claim it to the apostle. I'm in favour of teaching strikes because teachers have it extremely rough.

Grangemouth shows how unions can use their democratic right, something you also bang on about to protest about their job being taken away. They need this job to feed their family, as I mentioned before it's always the tory mindset to cut benefits and then complain when people try to keep their job.

Grangemouth also shows how unions can actually reach an agreement with a business to protect the workers, it's staying open after the UNION managed to reach a deal. Without the union 700 hard working people would be without jobs. That's progress for me

really? the union was defeated and was horrible to the owner, very unprofessional

[Stronk Serb]

yes everyone would normally be sacked (or made redundant if your knit picking) or wages would decrease

whats better, less of a wage or losing uour job

Cutting wages and sacking workers without a legal reason is illegal. Why should I lose my job or get my salary cut in half? So that my spoiled employer can buy a new car? No. He can live without his 100th car, my family can't live without a meal. I would sue him either way. He has no right to take away my rightly earned money so that he can brag in his new Porche.

[Harry Smith]

really? the union was defeated and was horrible to the owner, very unprofessional

The union wanted the plant to stay open and the plan is still open- that's a victory.

Oh no they were horrible-how dare someone be horrible in the 21st Century. Get your head of the clouds, you can't live in a dream world where everyone is nice to each other.

You've continued to ignore the whole welfare aspect along with the teachers strike- you're cherry-picking the entire argument

[britishboy]

Cutting wages and sacking workers without a legal reason is illegal. Why should I lose my job or get my salary cut in half? So that my spoiled employer can buy a new car? No. He can live without his 100th car, my family can't live without a meal. I would sue him either way. He has no right to take away my rightly earned money so that he can brag in his new Porche.

you listen to too much communist propaganda, wages aren't cut to buy cars, employers want happy workers but if companies are struggling, expenditures must be cut

[Harry Smith]

you listen to too much communist propaganda, wages aren't cut to buy cars, employers want happy workers but if companies are struggling, expenditures must be cut

It's not communist propaganda, it's British law. You can't sack someone to balance the books. It's good to see you've fallen back to the trademark stereotypes and insults

[Stronk Serb]

you listen to too much communist propaganda, wages aren't cut to buy cars, employers want happy workers but if companies are struggling, expenditures must be cut

You mean the Board gets a few millions less? I will hold a grudge against every richman who mistreats their workers so that he can earn extra money while the workers are starving. If you call workers who are protesting against this greedy, you are no better then the majority of business owners in the 19th century. They paid people less then the minimum. Those workers were happy if their family could scrap up enough groceries to make a paltry stew once a day. Not to mention that they had no access to healthcare.

[britishboy]

You mean the Board gets a few millions less? I will hold a grudge against every richman who mistreats their workers so that he can earn extra money while the workers are starving. If you call workers who are protesting against this greedy, you are no better then the majority of business owners in the 19th century. They paid people less then the minimum. Those workers were happy if their family could scrap up enough groceries to make a paltry stew once a day. Not to mention that they had no access to healthcare.

I have already told you, every business wants happy workers, they dont want to cut pay but will to avoid the company going bust

[Stronk Serb]

I have already told you, every business wants happy workers, they dont want to cut pay but will to avoid the company going bust

Cut pay on employees who are higher up. They don't need that much money to survive. Cut pay on the Board. There are a million better ways of not going bust without cutting pay for the workers.

[britishboy]

Cut pay on employees who are higher up. They don't need that much money to survive. Cut pay on the Board. There are a million better ways of not going bust without cutting pay for the workers.

everyones wages are cut, as needed if profit decreases or running at a loss. also please dont try to dictate how much money people need, work hard, get rich, simple