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Whisper
January 31st, 2008, 07:03 AM
If enough parents show interest in enrolling their children in a black-focused school, the Toronto board could start up two.


The day after trustees voted to establish what is being called the country's first Africentric alternative school – expected to open in September 2009 – Gerry Connelly said if a lot of parents want to enrol their children, the board would consider opening up another.


"It could be more than one, or we could decide to have a school with 800 students," said Connelly, director of education for the Toronto District School Board, adding it would depend on what size of school parents would like.


But, she added, the intent is to keep such a school – or schools – smaller. In general, alternative schools enrol 100 to 200 students.
The board plans to soon send out a survey to parents across the city to find out who's interested, and where.


But no matter how many such schools the board ends up authorizing, the provincial government has no intention of providing any additional funding, Education Minister Kathleen Wynne said yesterday.


"We've been clear from the beginning of this discussion that our preference was to have kids learning in inclusive environments and inclusive classrooms," she said in an interview yesterday after meeting with Toronto trustees – a meeting arranged prior to the board setting a date to vote on the Africentric issue.


"I made it clear in my remarks, and they know there is not special funding for alternative programs or alternative schools. They have to find that within their own budgets."


Wynne said short of changing the Education Act, the province does not have the authority to override the board on this issue.
The board is already working on the proposal, which was approved by trustees at a meeting Tuesday night.


By May, it expects to have the results of the parent survey, finished consulting with communities and pinpointed possible locations for an Africentric school, as well as decide what grades it will have.


The board has said the school, as well as the three other initiatives it approved in the hopes of improving the academic performance of black students – who are falling behind and dropping out in large numbers – will initially cost $820,000.


Trustee Josh Matlow called Tuesday night's vote "irresponsible," as the board is "chronically in deficit."


It's already facing a deficit of about $40 million for the 2008-09 school year as well as many potentially costly recommendations to implement from a recent report on school safety.


"We are making a commitment we can't fulfill," he said of the Africentric school, which he voted against.


Tuesday night's vote was close – 11 to 9 – and followed two hours of passionate speeches from both supporters and critics of black-focused schools. In the end, trustees voted to:
Go ahead with an Africentric school, to open in September 2009.


Create and use a curriculum that includes the history and culture of blacks, as well as other minority groups, in three existing schools.
Establish a centre for research and innovation, initially with York University, to look at helping at-risk students.


Develop an action plan to "address underachievement for all marginalized and vulnerable students" in Toronto public schools.
Wynne said she is pleased the board is looking at a more inclusive curriculum.


And while she has concerns about the Africentric school, the Toronto board could house such a school inside an existing one, ensuring they would be among a more multicultural student body.


"There are many alternative schools that are schools within schools or programs within schools, so they will actually be in the context of a more diverse environment," she said.


Board chair John Campbell said it's a shame all the focus has been on the Africentric school, because it's just a "small nugget" of what the board is doing.


Even without extra funding from the province, he believes "there is enough flexibility" in the board's $2 billion budget to pay for the initiative.
While supporters continue to call for the school to open this fall, Connelly said curriculum and staffing decisions can't be made that quickly.


Trustee Sheila Cary-Meagher, who voted in favour of the recommendations, said the Africentric school needs to be elementary.
"Starting a high school is insane," she said, because problems begin much earlier on.
She's hoping the board can start an Africentric kindergarten to Grade 4 program, for about 100 students, by this fall.


"It's not impossible – it's small and doable and non-threatening" to the community, she added.


John Tory, leader of Ontario's Conservative party, yesterday said that during the provincial election, both Premier Dalton McGuinty and Wynne were against the idea of public funding for faith-based schools, saying it would separate students.


"Yet all of a sudden, four months later they both are willing to allow the Toronto District School Board, a provincially funded body, to do so," he said in a release.

goin to work
January 31st, 2008, 08:54 AM
y would they do this

Octo22
January 31st, 2008, 10:00 AM
Seems silly, we're going backwards. All girl schools, all black schools.

If there was an all white school, blacks wouldn't be happy :P

Whisper
January 31st, 2008, 03:54 PM
it's fucking retarded

Serenity
January 31st, 2008, 03:56 PM
it's fucking retarded

Amen to that.

Maverick
January 31st, 2008, 04:00 PM
If it were a private school I wouldn't see it as a big deal, but if they are public and locally funded schools then that's a different story. The education system shouldn't be funded to divde people. I see no benefit of going to school with the exact same people just like you. This 'bright idea' just creates racial division.

Serenity
January 31st, 2008, 04:07 PM
This 'bright idea' just creates racial division.

Exactly. Giving minorities special treatment in an attempt to provide equal opportunity or for whatever reasons just further isolates them and sets them apart as minorities. This is a concept that I've absolutely detested all through school- it's like people think just because I happen to be black and just because I happen to be struggling in school, I need some kind of government movement to help me. All I need is to study and do my work like everyone else. Stuff like this sets us back 50 years, as if black kids just can't get along in multi-racial/multi-cultural schools.

serial-thrilla
January 31st, 2008, 07:28 PM
By putting blacks in different schools, were saying that they are different then the rest of the white population. Which would kinda be going backwards to before the civil rights movement in the 60s.

Octo22
February 1st, 2008, 01:40 PM
To everyone here, I finally read the entire paragraph. White people can go to this school, it's just the learning (i.e. History) is focused on black history.

Kaleidoscope Eyes
February 1st, 2008, 01:56 PM
Octo: Is that was Africentric means, or did I miss that part because I didn't see that statement? Help me find it so I know I'm not going insane.

If that's true, I don't think we need a special school to learn about black history. Yes, it should be taught more often than just during black history month, it's a key part of the nation's history as a whole. If you spend the entire year focused solely on black history though... when do you learn the rest of the material in the history books? I think in high school there should be more history options. One of my friends lives in Tennessee and where he goes to school he actually has the option to take African American studies as opposed to the traditional history class, though I think they have to take a year or two of regular old U.S. History or World History or something generic like that first. That makes sense to me, so those who are really interested can learn more about the topics that aren't as heavily covered in a generic history course. But to devote four years of history lessons to this, when there are a lot of other areas of history to get to as well, seems silly.

Octo22
February 1st, 2008, 07:51 PM
The only part that's debatable about this school, is that they're teaching Ebonics, which is not needed in todays world at all.

just...me
February 1st, 2008, 08:47 PM
it is basically racial division, but nobody will oppose it govermentlly or they will be accused of racial discrimination

shocing

Octo22
February 1st, 2008, 09:57 PM
it is basically racial division, but nobody will oppose it govermentlly or they will be accused of racial discrimination

shocing

Not really, you're missing the point.

Schools ARE geared towards white education and white history. There is very little except "so there was some slavery" covered. I can see why they'd want to have more black history in a school, it said it also covers other minorities histories.

This is teaching tolerance to an extent, not "shocing."

Kaleidoscope Eyes
February 1st, 2008, 10:35 PM
Yes, more black history needs to be taught, as well as the histories or other minorities, but I'd want to make sure that other key parts of this nation's history, as well as the world's history aren't left out. There needs to be a balance of some sort, though I do agree that what's taught about black history in today's schools needs some serious work. I don't think a few schools for a few hundred students will solve that though. The history books need to be re-written on a nation-wide level, to fit in the events that, in the past, might not have been considered as "important" as what's currently in there. There's a lot of history to study, but I'm sure there's room in the texts for a little more.

Octo22
February 2nd, 2008, 12:25 AM
Depending on what country you live in, history can be soooo skewed.

U.S.A. has no idea how LITTLE they've done in World wars for example (they definitely talk it up)

Canada has done a lot more than is recognized.

etc. etc.

Maverick
February 2nd, 2008, 12:29 AM
Had many courses in American history in US schools?

Octo22
February 2nd, 2008, 12:42 PM
I can't say I have, but I've had many 'discussions' with people who took the class trying to tell me how much of a superpower the u.s. is.

It's way too focused on 'military' history, even in world wars. People need to realize that going to war with certain countries is a bad idea, having the best technology doesn't mean you'll win.

They were trying to prove that the U.S. won world war II for everyone, whereas the u.s. jumped in when everyone else was injured and just crushed them. Russia won World War II, taking on 5 axis divisions at a time, with the shittiest economy and troop training.

I asked them an easy question "If the U.S. went to war with China, who would win?"
They all picked their country.

China stops selling to the states, China's economy drops in a week, U.S.'s drops in two days.

They didn't seem to understand 'non-violence war' such as the Cold War. And claimed they could nuke everything.. it was sad.

I've also seen studies on the discovery channel covering just what's in their textbooks.

It's personal experience but when The discovery channel covers it and CNN did a cover story on it (which I'll try to find now) seems pretty true.

Octo22
February 2nd, 2008, 12:45 PM
Try picking up "Lies My Teacher told me"

Maverick
February 2nd, 2008, 01:07 PM
Yeah you present a good point.

Octo22
February 3rd, 2008, 06:08 PM
But they do get 'general ideas', just every country tries to make themselves sound better/

Φρανκομβριτ
February 10th, 2008, 03:51 AM
I was on the tram the other day talking to my friend about how ridiculous these schools are, and some random black lady got up, said "You're totally right" and got off. I think the feeling is pretty mutual. We can't just divide people. Hell, if we're going to have black foccus schools, why the hell can't there be white foccus schools? Oh no because THAT would be RACIST. This world sickens me, yet amuses me.

Octo22
February 10th, 2008, 10:06 AM
I was on the tram the other day talking to my friend about how ridiculous these schools are, and some random black lady got up, said "You're totally right" and got off. I think the feeling is pretty mutual. We can't just divide people. Hell, if we're going to have black foccus schools, why the hell can't there be white foccus schools? Oh no because THAT would be RACIST. This world sickens me, yet amuses me.

You're an idiot, all schools ARE white-focused.

Why do you think learning about black history only racism is lightly covered?

Sapphire
February 10th, 2008, 10:18 AM
You're an idiot, all schools ARE white-focused.

Why do you think learning about black history only racism is lightly covered?

Not all schools are white focused. There may be a bias in the teaching of history, but that doesn't mean that the whole system is racist.

Having seperate schools for blacks, jews, muslims etc only lends itself to seperating these groups even more in society. Schools for everyone are more likely to inspire different groups to live harmoniously in an integrated society than having all these special schools.

Φρανκομβριτ
February 10th, 2008, 01:16 PM
You're an idiot, all schools ARE white-focused.

Why do you think learning about black history only racism is lightly covered?


Excuse me? For the whole of february, our schools celebrate black history month. We are al very aware of the black strifes, and are all educated on their history. Get you're facts straight before making accusations

Bobby
February 10th, 2008, 01:25 PM
You're an idiot, all schools ARE white-focused.

Why do you think learning about black history only racism is lightly covered?


First off, don't ever insult people like that on this site.

Second off, it all depends on your school. Our school does cover rascism.

Octo22
February 10th, 2008, 05:48 PM
Excuse me? For the whole of february, our schools celebrate black history month. We are al very aware of the black strifes, and are all educated on their history. Get you're facts straight before making accusations



Black history month ... what exactly is that? Are we talking about American Slaves? Invading Moors? Liberians? Zulus and the British? Christian Ethiopia? Rwanda and the UN?

It seems like an attempt at appeasement or compromise more than anything else. Politics and social engineering bullshit involving itself in the principle of educating. If history is important it should be taught, and will be taught.

To Americans the history of slavery and emancipation is important - the Civil War dictates that. But if I'm understanding this correctly - and we're regulating black figures into one month - then that is very disturbing. There are blacks that are important throughout the history of the United States, and to a lesser extent, Canada, that should be mentioned throughout the months of the year. Likewise important figures shouldn't be pushed under because of some arbitrary month long criteria to talk about black people.

Maverick
February 10th, 2008, 05:56 PM
There is no curriculum to cram all black figures and history in one month. Its talked about throughout the year as it is relevant to the time period being discussed.

Octo22
February 10th, 2008, 06:21 PM
I'm not speaking about schools in that part...I'm speaking of life in general. Face it, schools are white-focused because life is white focused.

Why don't we have a month? Because our achievements are recognized on a daily basis.

The Batman
February 10th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Your being a little over the top with your posts I'm black and I don't even care that much.

Having an all black school is not necessarily a bad idea because its sorta like the all homosexual school in New York its just a place to escape discrimination in other public schools but sometimes the message gets lost and it does become a place to separate the races and that's when it becomes wrong instead of just thinking about the concept we should also think about the students attending. On the other hand we shouldn't divide students at all especially in a public school it'll cause a bunch of conflict.

Sapphire
February 10th, 2008, 08:31 PM
The thing which should be addressed is racism within the school environment. Once that is solved then there would be no need for these seperate schools.

The Batman
February 10th, 2008, 08:34 PM
Yes exactly

Φρανκομβριτ
February 11th, 2008, 02:01 AM
Schools are not white-foccused. In Québec, we are taught the history of Québec and Canada, which in the final year of high school talks about how Canada became what it is today. We don't have special "white history" classes, nor will we. If they want to learn more about their own history in particular, they can ask their parents, members of the community, go on the internet or go to their library. I am sure there is somewhere where a college teaches black history. Why are we pulling each other apart if we all have the same rights to the same quality of live?

Octo22
February 11th, 2008, 04:06 PM
Schools are not white-foccused. In Québec, we are taught the history of Québec and Canada, which in the final year of high school talks about how Canada became what it is today. We don't have special "white history" classes, nor will we. If they want to learn more about their own history in particular, they can ask their parents, members of the community, go on the internet or go to their library. I am sure there is somewhere where a college teaches black history. Why are we pulling each other apart if we all have the same rights to the same quality of live?

They can ask their parents is very true.


Look at your entire education system, Scientists you learn about..white. Einstein? White. The only famous people mentioned are Martin Luther King and a man who escapes me...

People think too specifically. You try arguing that a black person going to school can learn as much about their heritage as we do of ours, and I'll believe you.