Homophobic Jesus? (atheists beat it)

[Derryck]

Anyone else wonder how all the crap against gays ended up in the bible in the first place? I don't think Jesus would have let that happen. What do you guys think. Could god really be against gays? :confused:

[ksdnfkfr]

As the bible goes, Jesus upheld what the bible said (according to the christians not the jews) and the bible says that any kind of sexual relationship that takes place outside of a (male) husband and a (female) wife is against god's law. So actually, a boyfriend and girlfriend doing it is a biblical sin too.

[Harry Smith]

I believe the bible also said that you can't wear too types of clothing material and that you can't eat animals which have been in a field with another species of animal. The bible doesnt have a shred of reliability. I mean Jesus had some pretty radical views for the time such as letting women follow him and take an active part in his services

[Soulless]

Jesus was a Jew, more liberal one, but still a Jew.

And back then, Jews were homophobic.

Romans were nicer people about it.

[Abyssal Echo]

Jesus was not homophobic. Jesus was about love. as in love thy neighbor as I (Jesus) have loved you. God and Jesus love the sinner hate the sin. Fornication and whore mongering are an abomination in his eyes. Lust, Adultry and Divorce are also sins but Christians do it everyday and think nothing of it.
As a Christian and a gay person I dislike (not hate) the hypocritical people that are in the Church with their Holier then thou attitude that think they are better than me.
The Bible states a sin is a sin not one is greater or lessor than another. Sadly in the eyes of the Churches I have attended, since I'm gay I have nothing to offer their church so therefore I am no good. The Bible also states to obey the laws of the land. But, Adults, teens and Christians that drive break laws everyday and think nothing of it. My point is this since they broke the law (Gods and mans) they are no better than I am.

[CharlieHorse]

I will beat it after I say that the bible shouldn't be taken literally.

[Cygnus]

I will beat it after I say that the bible shouldn't be taken literally.
This, the bible says there are giants, and we all know that never happened. Don't take it literally, being gay and christian is fine to my atheist eyes.

[teen.jpg]

What Jesus would honestly think and say and what's written in the Bible are completely different.

[Mynick]

What Jesus would honestly think and say and what's written in the Bible are completely different.

This, and being honest could not care less.

[Elysium]

Christianity originated in Rome. Romans, while they did practice homosexuality, tended to keep it under wraps because it was considered more of a Greek practice. My guess is that's why it's supposedly scorned in the Bible. But, then again, you've also just got a ton of people that interpret the Bible, and without an author around to actually clarify what any of it meant in that time and place, there's no definitively saying that whoever wrote the Bible actually intended for it to scorn homosexuality.

Besides, I haven't studied the Bible, but I remember learning a few years ago that Jesus hadn't actually written the Bible, since he didn't appear to have any intention of founding a new religion.

[sqishy]

Jesus was not homophobic. Jesus was about love. as in love thy neighbor as I (Jesus) have loved you. God and Jesus love the sinner hate the sin. Fornication and whore mongering are an abomination in his eyes. Lust, Adultry and Divorce are also sins but Christians do it everyday and think nothing of it.
As a Christian and a gay person I dislike (not hate) the hypocritical people that are in the Church with their Holier then thou attitude that think they are better than me.
The Bible states a sin is a sin not one is greater or lessor than another. Sadly in the eyes of the Churches I have attended, since I'm gay I have nothing to offer their church so therefore I am no good. The Bible also states to obey the laws of the land. But, Adults, teens and Christians that drive break laws everyday and think nothing of it. My point is this since they broke the law (Gods and mans) they are no better than I am.

Yes.
God would have no just reason to be against non-straights, taking that he created humanity. Surely he'd avoid problems he doesn't like (looking from the perspective that he does exist).

[Jess]

The Bible shouldn't be taken literally. It was written by men, a long long time ago, who had beliefs that today would be considered hateful or just plain ridiculous.

[justin101]

So truthfully I'm a Zen Buddhist but I'm still find talk about this. Okay so I think that the bible is not all what Jesus wanted. It was written by his followers and just like all people they must likely added things that they believed. And some believed that gay men and women were sin, because they are not like them. Jesus says that God created all man in his image, therfore God must be part gay. Another point I want to I want to say is, the bible says that all men who sleep with another man, shall be stoned to death. Well it also says that all children who do not listen to there parents shall be stoned to death as well. So the bible is more teaching morals, than telling you what is wrong and right. Plus why let the bible define what you think?

[randomnessqueen]

i dont think jesus personally said anything against gays, its all misinterpretation
do you ever consider the possibility that jesus was homosexual?

[Stronk Serb]

In Orthodox Christianity, the Old Testament got replaced by the new. They do follow the Ten Commandments, but the majority of laws in the Old Testament are changed with the ones of the new. If someone has reason to hate gays based on the Bible, it is because of the Old Testament, not the New. It would not surprise me if Jesus was a homosexual, or an asexual person. All sins are absolvable, the churches don't want to be stereotyped by having a homosexual in their ranks.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I don't believe so, but I can't really back that up...

[drew6]

Jesus clearly isn't against gays. To a Christian, what Christ said and did trump the Old Testament, completely. Nothing Jesus said or did was against gay people in fact if you look for times when he was annoyed, it was with religious leaders.

I think people who chose to be Christian or want to study Christianity would do just fine ignoring the entirety of the Old Testament. Christ came to fulfill the law so that wouldn't be our burden and to me, that's great.

The term gay sin means nothing. Sin is sin, we're all sinners and we can't perform or rule follow our way into not being a sinner. It's the entire point of Christ coming here because we can't do it on our own. Never happen, so if we follow Christ, gay or whatever people are, you're fine.

It's not possible to not be a sinner. You don't even need to "do" sin. You can just think it briefly and you're toast. For example, if you imagine yourself doing something sexual with someone who isn't your wife - sin. You briefly hope for something awful to happen to someone, even a horrible person - sin.

So don't worry about sin, ya already failed that and will continue to. If you want a way out of that mess, Christ is ready for us. Look at who Christ spent time with, mostly he was drawn to and like the biggest sinner of that time period. He has no problem with us sinning, he just wants us to follow him and spend some time thinking about him. Pretty good deal imo.

[EddietheZombie]

The Bible says that if two of the same sex are together its an abomination. I've not seen it anywhere that its a sin, but look at Sodom and Gamora(Spelling?), why were they destroyed? Its because they practiced that. So it could be i guess. The Old Testament was thrown out when Jesus came, but he also said "Remember the Ten Commandments..." and something else i cant remember. Its true there is no way you can go through your life without sinning. Most people tend to leave out that the Old Testament was thrown out. People that are trying to discuss the Bible when they havent even read it, is like doing a book report on a book that you havent even read. Give it a read and open your mind, you may think otherwise.

Anyway, signing off. Ill be gone a couple weeks so no quotes please.

[justin101]

Jesus clearly isn't against gays. To a Christian, what Christ said and did trump the Old Testament, completely. Nothing Jesus said or did was against gay people in fact if you look for times when he was annoyed, it was with religious leaders.

I think people who chose to be Christian or want to study Christianity would do just fine ignoring the entirety of the Old Testament. Christ came to fulfill the law so that wouldn't be our burden and to me, that's great.

The term gay sin means nothing. Sin is sin, we're all sinners and we can't perform or rule follow our way into not being a sinner. It's the entire point of Christ coming here because we can't do it on our own. Never happen, so if we follow Christ, gay or whatever people are, you're fine.

It's not possible to not be a sinner. You don't even need to "do" sin. You can just think it briefly and you're toast. For example, if you imagine yourself doing something sexual with someone who isn't your wife - sin. You briefly hope for something awful to happen to someone, even a horrible person - sin.

So don't worry about sin, ya already failed that and will continue to. If you want a way out of that mess, Christ is ready for us. Look at who Christ spent time with, mostly he was drawn to and like the biggest sinner of that time period. He has no problem with us sinning, he just wants us to follow him and spend some time thinking about him. Pretty good deal imo.

You have changed my who look on Jesus. Thank you. I always had a little resentment toward him because I never felt accepted our welcomed. But now I do :) I might convert. Thank you :)

[darthearth]

My personal suspicion/opinion is that many of the Old Testament laws (including the one against male homosexuality) were added by activist priests for their own reasons (I believe Moses only gave the Ten Commandments, but have no clear evidence or proof of this). The admonitions in the New Testament were a result of the apostle Paul believing that the Old Testament laws were from God (including the one against male homosexuality), he himself being personally ignorant on the issue.

Others believe both the old and new testament admonitions were referring to harlotry (specifically in idolatrous settings).