Is it morally in-just to dislike a person because they are religious? [Archive]

Straight

October 14th, 2013, 01:21 PM

Kameraden

October 14th, 2013, 01:24 PM

I think religious people need to modernize and realize that there is no God, only science and the randomnity of atoms.

Luminous

October 14th, 2013, 01:24 PM

conniption

October 14th, 2013, 01:31 PM

Atheists that dislike religious people or mess with them because of their beliefs get on my nerves. Blah blah blah we don't believe in God and the majority of the population does believe, big fuckin surprise. Spreading their beliefs is part of their religion, but whenever I feel uncomfortable with people preaching to me I kindly tell them to stop and they respect me because I respect them. Atheists that try to cram their beliefs down others' throats are equally annoying, get over yourself and stop being a hypocrite.

Straight

October 14th, 2013, 01:34 PM

Mynick

October 14th, 2013, 01:34 PM

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October 14th, 2013, 01:37 PM

It's not completely wrong, but if you happen to discriminate or judge them in person, then that's wrong. If you don't like their religion, either kindly leave them alone or accept it. Preferably the second option though.

Luminous

October 14th, 2013, 01:47 PM

Some people would argue it is fact, but like you said another discussion :P

Also, I agree that a lot of american's aren't religious, but when they are they reeeeaaaallllllyyyy are

Some are reeeeeallllyyy religious, yes. But, living in America, I have met atheists, people who are extremely religious, people who shove their religions down others throats, some who are religious only around the holiday season, people who are in the middle, they consider themselves religious but don't go to temple/church/etc except on special occasions, people who don't know, and so many more. Religion means something different to everyone, and everyone interprets and 'performs' their religion differently. Especially because America is so diverse, Christianity is the most common but there is probably every other religion in the world present here.

Straight

October 14th, 2013, 02:02 PM

I voted no. Personally i don't belive in god, and i don't like when religous people try to convert me or talk about god and whatnot all the time. I think religious people also hate when we say i don't belive in god and try to convert then, never did that tho.
You may like the person and hate the way they act.

I agree

How so?

Well, Some would argue that science is fact end of. I mean, I am 98% athiest but I sometimes wonder what if there is a god but most of the time I answer my questions with logic and reason and work out a reason why there are mountains or why we evolved to have eyes...

Moral Dilema:-

If you had to stop one person, would you stop an atheist arguing at a theist person to stop believing in God or would you stop a theist arguing at an atheist to believe in god?

Mynick

October 14th, 2013, 02:04 PM

Well, Some would argue that science is fact end of. I mean, I am 98% athiest but I sometimes wonder what if there is a god but most of the time I answer my questions with logic and reason and work out a reason why there are mountains or why we evolved to have eyes...

Moral Dilema:-

If you had to stop one person, would you stop an atheist arguing at a theist person to stop believing in God or would you stop a theist arguing at an atheist to believe in god?
I see.
I i were a religious person i would chose the first option and if i were and atheist the second one, simple human nature.

Camazotz

October 14th, 2013, 02:37 PM

sqishy

October 14th, 2013, 02:56 PM

I wouldn't dislike them if there were nor problems being caused by their beliefs with others of myself. So I put no.

saea97

October 14th, 2013, 03:21 PM

It depends on what the religion entails. Do I dislike the Ayatollah and Fred Phelps because of their religions? Yes. Do I dislike anyone at school because of their moderate beliefs? No.

But since I can imagine a case where I would dislike a person based on their religion, I answered yes.

Gigablue

October 14th, 2013, 03:32 PM

No. I'm allowed to dislike anyone for any reason. Simply disliking someone can never in principle be immoral.

If you were to ask whether discriminating against religious people is immoral, I would say yes. Discrimination is a violation of human rights and is bad for society at large. But simply disliking someone isn't even a moral issue.

Straight

October 14th, 2013, 04:04 PM

Your poll question is different from the question of the thread title, so my answer is the opposite of what it should be.

Thread title: Yes, it is morally unjust to dislike someone because they're religious.

Poll question: No, it is not okay to dislike someone just because they're religious. (I voted yes, but I meant no).

Yeah, I didn't know how to change the title :( Sorry

No. I'm allowed to dislike anyone for any reason. Simply disliking someone can never in principle be immoral.

If you were to ask whether discriminating against religious people is immoral, I would say yes. Discrimination is a violation of human rights and is bad for society at large. But simply disliking someone isn't even a moral issue.

Very good point.

I wouldn't not be friends with someone because they are religious but some religious people would not be friends with atheists (let alone gay people) and visa versa (but I think more commonly religious people not being friends with atheists)

Syvelocin

October 14th, 2013, 04:13 PM

You just used the word morally, which means we are arguing something subjective.

Is it against my morals? Hell no. Often I will not judge a person for this reason as I'm in the minority of high tolerance imo, but I reserve the right to hate you because you're Christian as there's nothing in my morals about that. My morals don't limit me like that.

Vlerchan

October 14th, 2013, 04:20 PM

Most super-religious people, in my experience, tend to be assholes - especially the genuinely intelligent ones. That's is most; not all. I've met plenty of perfectly nice, super-religious people, though; and whilst they do tend to get defensive around their beliefs, it's not a problem as long as nobody is constantly bringing them up - which, really, in any normal discussion shouldn't be happening. I know a user from the other board I'm on who happens to be a trained Baptist minister (though he works as something else entirely), from Texas, who's a perfectly cool guy, his religion doesn't take away from that. My point - and I really do have a point here - is that it's not religious people that are the problem, but certain attitudes that are held by a minority of certain religious people, that are. And that works both ways; I've met plenty of militant Atheists who come across as complete assholes.

Well, Some would argue that science is fact end of.
Seeing as how science is constantly changing - evolving - I don't think it's possible to argue that science is absolute fact - in most cases, anyway. New theories are constantly being devolved, replacing the old.

Cygnus

October 14th, 2013, 04:47 PM

If I were to dislike people just for being religious then I would dislike some of my family (which I don't) and a decent part of my friends. There is a difference between imposing a religion and just being religious.

Stronk Serb

October 14th, 2013, 05:13 PM

I voted yes. I mean for people who shove religion down people's throats and pretty much say that everything negative is caused by a higher power because we are scum, yeah people dislike them. But I have family members who are religious and peaceful about it.

Jess

October 14th, 2013, 05:49 PM

Poll question: Yes

Gigablue nailed it. There's nothing wrong with disliking someone. I really don't like religious people that shove their nonsense on other people.

TheBigUnit

October 14th, 2013, 06:20 PM

no it is not morally right just to dislike someone for their beliefs thats just like hating a muslim guy, cuz hes muslim, which we all know is bad you stupid westerners...I dislike the religious fanatics standing on the podiums with the huge mic though, seriously you look terrible PR wise if you say everyone is going to hell,

I think religious people need to modernize and realize that there is no God, only science and the randomnity of atoms.
Um thats not a reason to dislike, also you cant disprove God either,

No. I'm allowed to dislike anyone for any reason. Simply disliking someone can never in principle be immoral.

If you were to ask whether discriminating against religious people is immoral, I would say yes. Discrimination is a violation of human rights and is bad for society at large. But simply disliking someone isn't even a moral issue.
Nailed it +1 rep

Derryck

October 14th, 2013, 06:22 PM

If they try to force their religion onto you than they deserve a few jabs to the face.

Twilly F. Sniper

October 16th, 2013, 04:19 AM

When they're extremists in their religion, it is. But otherwise no.
Because it's their own right to believe whatever they feel.

Ryhanna

October 16th, 2013, 05:35 AM

When their religion is your main motivator to not like them when they are nice people, then yes.

But when their views are offensive and extreme like:
I was talking to my friend about the Boston bombings and he said that it could of been caused by God because Boston allowed gay marriage.

I think it's okay not to like them based on that.

Lovelife090994

October 16th, 2013, 06:41 AM

In the example case, I would say it's fine. If they're religious but don't stuff anything down your throat, then it might be wrong, but when they do stuff it down your throat, that's when I wouldn't like them at all.
Also, you are totally wrong in assuming everyone in America is religious, as that is completely not true, but it is not for this discussion.

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on and personal belief, not exactly fact.

That starts the problem, questioning someone's beliefs.

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Lovelife090994

October 16th, 2013, 06:45 AM

No! You never dislike or hate due to religion, that starts issues when someone cares about beliefs in another's head. Now, yes dislike the evil, the wrongdoers, the radical false-religious but don't dislike the person. I'm shocked some said yes, By God how inhumane can you be?

And America is quite relgious but there is a difference. I am a Christian and by popular definition that is a religion yet I am not religious. I judge based on actions and at times words, but generally I forgive and forget. Grudges and anger are wrong and sinful, I let God judge. I have things I dislike and people too but I try not to cast the stone.

As in the Bible, "let he who is without sin castt the first stone" only God can.

ksdnfkfr

October 16th, 2013, 07:33 AM

In the example case, I would say it's fine. If they're religious but don't stuff anything down your throat, then it might be wrong, but when they do stuff it down your throat, that's when I wouldn't like them at all.
Also, you are totally wrong in assuming everyone in America is religious, as that is completely not true, but it is not for this discussion.

EDIT:

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on and personal belief, not exactly fact.

That starts the problem, questioning someone's beliefs.

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The quote of mine you have coupled together with that of xXPrincessXx are from different threads and have nothing to do with each other. I do not understand this. Please explain.

Lovelife090994

October 16th, 2013, 07:37 AM

The quote of mine you have coupled together with that of xXPrincessXx are from different threads and have nothing to do with each other. I do not understand your motive is doing this. As for me myself in questioning religion, it is only in an attempt to gain a better understanding of it.

If you are going to equate my angst over my neurological disability to religion, then you might as well equate difficulties with epilepsy to religion. Or perhaps equate difficulties with diabetes to religion.

Again, I have no idea of where you are trying to go with this. Please explain.

Okay wait a second. I never replied to this? How the heck did this double-post trans-topic post happen? I hope I wasn't hacked!

Soulless

October 16th, 2013, 10:06 AM

Yes but it depends on the reason.

Amazerful

October 16th, 2013, 10:41 AM

Lovelife090994

October 16th, 2013, 10:53 AM

I am atheist and I have no problem with religious people until they try to force their beliefs on me, call me a devil worshiper, or just flat out tell me that I'm going to hell because I'm atheist. These things have all happened before and at that point I honestly don't like that person because of their religion

Oddly people of all religions do this to each other! You're not alone, althogh the difference with me and you is that I am not atheist, I am Christian and actually I try to sometimes hide it, I had to a lot in high school, no I wasn't all religious no, but you'd know I was Christian and my school had many antitheistic atheists. The ones that make other atheists look bad, it wasn't pretty. My advice, anyone saying you'll go to Hell, tell them to take it up to God, Allah, Buddha, whichever they hold in their hearts. In the end only God can judge. Who's to say maybe you'll be the one laughing and enjoying Heaven while they burn in Hell for playing at God's job or judging and condemning?

Amazerful

October 16th, 2013, 11:39 AM

Oddly people of all religions do this to each other! You're not alone, althogh the difference with me and you is that I am not atheist, I am Christian and actually I try to sometimes hide it, I had to a lot in high school, no I wasn't all religious no, but you'd know I was Christian and my school had many antitheistic atheists. The ones that make other atheists look bad, it wasn't pretty. My advice, anyone saying you'll go to Hell, tell them to take it up to God, Allah, Buddha, whichever they hold in their hearts. In the end only God can judge. Who's to say maybe you'll be the one laughing and enjoying Heaven while they burn in Hell for playing at God's job or judging and condemning?

I'm so happy that you said that , it seems like you are one of few Christians these days that actually understands your own religion, for christianity to be a religion of love and forgiveness they are the ones who judge the most, some even think they are superior and thats how you get things like that baptist church down south, that thinks god hates everybody but them and they just make religion in general look bad

Lovelife090994

October 16th, 2013, 08:43 PM

I'm so happy that you said that , it seems like you are one of few Christians these days that actually understands your own religion, for christianity to be a religion of love and forgiveness they are the ones who judge the most, some even think they are superior and thats how you get things like that baptist church down south, that thinks god hates everybody but them and they just make religion in general look bad

My family is Baptist but they are Mississippian or Ohioan and both people will make you lay on the alter for spreading hatred...

People look at the South as some racist Christian ati-gay land and while some are like that, Southern Christians are usually very hospitable and only wish the best. I am not perfect, my faith is not always as strong as it should be but still I'm here. Too bad Christianity's message is so good yet is one of the most twisted religions out there, (AS IN, so many have twisted the two words, God Loves, and turned them into God Hates, um hello people, you are why so many are no longer Christian or atheist but antitheist.
Personally antitheists bug me.

Luminous

October 16th, 2013, 09:45 PM

That starts the problem, questioning someone's beliefs.

Well, this starts the

Whaaa?

dsi411

October 16th, 2013, 10:02 PM

Yes, it is morally in-just. Simple answer.
Is it morally in-just for me to dislike you because you aren't religious? Yes, yes it is.

Poll question: Yes

Gigablue nailed it. There's nothing wrong with disliking someone. I really don't like religious people that shove their nonsense on other people.
Well it's not very nice.

I voted yes. I mean for people who shove religion down people's throats and pretty much say that everything negative is caused by a higher power because we are scum, yeah people dislike them. But I have family members who are religious and peaceful about it.
Oddly, I've nobody has ever shoved religion down my throat. Maybe it is just a matter of your outlook. Maybe if you dislike religious people a lot then whenever they bring up religion you might think they're "shoving it down your throat," but I don't see it. Even those Jehovah's witness people that go knocking on my door aren't "shoving religion down my throat." They have a right to talk about religion too. If you don't like it, tell them respectfully to stop.

no it is not morally right just to dislike someone for their beliefs thats just like hating a muslim guy, cuz hes muslim, which we all know is bad you stupid westerners...I dislike the religious fanatics standing on the podiums with the huge mic though, seriously you look terrible PR wise if you say everyone is going to hell,

Um thats not a reason to dislike, also you cant disprove God either,

Nailed it +1 rep
You are correct

-please do not double post. -Emerald Dream

CharlieHorse

October 16th, 2013, 10:45 PM

i voted yes because i feel like morals can be defined by anything. depends on your person and the situation.
But in general i think you should avoid judging people in general. Get to know them first.

Laquifa

October 17th, 2013, 04:14 AM

Lovelife090994

October 17th, 2013, 11:18 AM

Whaaa?

Ignore that, that post was split across topics and people! I have no idea how that post even came to be!

Yes, it is morally in-just. Simple answer.
Is it morally in-just for me to dislike you because you aren't religious? Yes, yes it is.

Well it's not very nice.

Oddly, I've nobody has ever shoved religion down my throat. Maybe it is just a matter of your outlook. Maybe if you dislike religious people a lot then whenever they bring up religion you might think they're "shoving it down your throat," but I don't see it. Even those Jehovah's witness people that go knocking on my door aren't "shoving religion down my throat." They have a right to talk about religion too. If you don't like it, tell them respectfully to stop.

You are correct

-please do not double post. -Emerald Dream

Good answers!

Soulless

October 17th, 2013, 12:12 PM

I don't feel it is ok to dislike a person simply for a value that they have. Now, if they start coming at me sideways, we're going to have a bit of an issue, and THEN I'm not going to like them. At all.
And if they stand for a religion that violently condemns homosexuality and female independence, but can condone pedophilia and rape?
Does that change things?

Stronk Serb

October 17th, 2013, 01:56 PM

Oddly, I've nobody has ever shoved religion down my throat. Maybe it is just a matter of your outlook. Maybe if you dislike religious people a lot then whenever they bring up religion you might think they're "shoving it down your throat," but I don't see it. Even those Jehovah's witness people that go knocking on my door aren't "shoving religion down my throat." They have a right to talk about religion too. If you don't like it, tell them respectfully to stop.

Well, after being called a heretic, pagan, heathen etc. by the "religious" community in Serbia, I pretty much started disliking people who openly talk about grand punishments for non-believers. My religious friends and family members are not taunting me for being an atheist, or for supporting Slavic Paganism over Christianity. During it's entire time, Slavic Paganism was one of the most peaceful religions.

Trenton_

October 17th, 2013, 03:21 PM

And if they stand for a religion that violently condemns homosexuality and female independence, but can condone pedophilia and rape?
Does that change things?

never heard of religion that condemns homosexuality or women and condones pedo rape

Well, after being called a heretic, pagan, heathen etc. by the "religious" community in Serbia, I pretty much started disliking people who openly talk about grand punishments for non-believers. My religious friends and family members are not taunting me for being an atheist, or for supporting Slavic Paganism over Christianity. During it's entire time, Slavic Paganism was one of the most peaceful religions.

dude, you need to move if you don't like them

Stronk Serb

October 17th, 2013, 03:37 PM

never heard of religion that condemns homosexuality or women and condones pedo rape

dude, you need to move if you don't like them

The friends and family are not the problem. The assholes which shove Christianity are. They are pretty much like the Westboro Baptist Church, ignorance incarnate and they shove their twisted beliefs down your throat.

Soulless

October 17th, 2013, 03:43 PM

never heard of religion that condemns homosexuality or women and condones pedo rape

Need to read up on stuff more then, a lot of Islamic cultures, particularly in the Middle East.

britishboy

October 17th, 2013, 05:22 PM

you are free to dislike/like people for whatever reason you wanted

PinkFloyd

October 17th, 2013, 05:35 PM

I would never hate someone simply because they are religious. However, once they start becoming prejudice as a possible result of the religousness, I will draw the line.

Sir Suomi

October 17th, 2013, 08:33 PM

It would be the same case as disliking someone to their race, ethnicity, gender, or sexuality.

Lovelife090994

October 18th, 2013, 03:34 AM

The friends and family are not the problem. The assholes which shove Christianity are. They are pretty much like the Westboro Baptist Church, ignorance incarnate and they shove their twisted beliefs down your throat.

May I ask what these so-called Christians have done to you? I am a Christian myself and not all Christians shove anything. However if you are nonreligious and hate all religious affairs then the very mention may seem like shoving. Sorry about your dilemma. Care to elucidate so I can hear more before I judge?

project_icarus

October 18th, 2013, 04:34 AM

If you dislike somebody for the sole, direct reason that they are religious — I believe that's a bit odd and judgemental, even slightly hateful.

If you dislike somebody as a result of something that they have said or done relating to their religious beliefs, that's not a problem per se. How you handle it might be.

Stronk Serb

October 18th, 2013, 06:06 AM

May I ask what these so-called Christians have done to you? I am a Christian myself and not all Christians shove anything. However if you are nonreligious and hate all religious affairs then the very mention may seem like shoving. Sorry about your dilemma. Care to elucidate so I can hear more before I judge?

I do not hate all religious people. These so-called Christians have insulted and bullied me at school. They yelled that I will go to hell, and picked on me. I have friends who are Christian, they don't do anything to me, and I respect their beliefs. The minority is the one who talk about the punishment for non-believers and were making my life hell, I dislike that type of religious people, the one which blindly clings to their twisted version of a generally peaceful faith and just go on shouting stuff and making other people feel miserable.

Straight

October 18th, 2013, 09:20 AM

The KKK were also 'religious' they took the meaning of the bible to hate black people and most people hate people in the KKK. Whats the difference with Christians hating gay people?

The question is with this is that are you hating them because they are Christians so they hate gays or do you hate them because they hate gays and they are Christian. My argument is that if they weren't religious and taught 'morals' in sunday school, they wouldn't hate gays.

Would you say it is okay to be anti theist? I am pretty sure that for the most part religion is bad for society.

Lovelife090994

October 18th, 2013, 09:44 PM

I do not hate all religious people. These so-called Christians have insulted and bullied me at school. They yelled that I will go to hell, and picked on me. I have friends who are Christian, they don't do anything to me, and I respect their beliefs. The minority is the one who talk about the punishment for non-believers and were making my life hell, I dislike that type of religious people, the one which blindly clings to their twisted version of a generally peaceful faith and just go on shouting stuff and making other people feel miserable.

That is what some Christians do to other Christians. Many do not know this but Christians are so judmental (some)! Me as a Christian, I've been judged so it's heartbreaking!

The KKK were also 'religious' they took the meaning of the bible to hate black people and most people hate people in the KKK. Whats the difference with Christians hating gay people?

The question is with this is that are you hating them because they are Christians so they hate gays or do you hate them because they hate gays and they are Christian. My argument is that if they weren't religious and taught 'morals' in sunday school, they wouldn't hate gays.

Would you say it is okay to be anti theist? I am pretty sure that for the most part religion is bad for society.

To me, antitheistic ways can be dangerous since so many people on the Earth has some level of religiosity. The KKK's actions were in no way Christian, they took the Bible and completely demeaned it and tried to twist its words! People who change the Bible or who try to have it condone evil should be judged! But not by man, and God will have his way with us anyway.

Christians don't "hate" gays, or anyone, we "hate" the Devil, and dislike sin but never the sinner.

Straight

October 19th, 2013, 06:31 AM

That is what some Christians do to other Christians. Many do not know this but Christians are so judmental (some)! Me as a Christian, I've been judged so it's heartbreaking!

To me, antitheistic ways can be dangerous since so many people on the Earth has some level of religiosity. The KKK's actions were in no way Christian, they took the Bible and completely demeaned it and tried to twist its words! People who change the Bible or who try to have it condone evil should be judged! But not by man, and God will have his way with us anyway.

Christians don't "hate" gays, or anyone, we "hate" the Devil, and dislike sin but never the sinner.

Maybe for your take on the bible but there are hundreds of ways to see the bible and some people unfortunately take it to mean hate gays. Also, people in the KKK think they are doing right because they take the bible to mean god wants us to kill black people... If religion didn't exist would anyone think that?

Lovelife090994

October 19th, 2013, 09:23 AM

Maybe for your take on the bible but there are hundreds of ways to see the bible and some people unfortunately take it to mean hate gays. Also, people in the KKK think they are doing right because they take the bible to mean god wants us to kill black people... If religion didn't exist would anyone think that?

If you think all the hate in the world is religion influenced only then you are sadly mistaken. And you do realize that the Bible doesn't condone that type of discrimination right? That is not my interpretation that is written in it. The love thy neighbor actually refutes the KKK.

Straight

October 19th, 2013, 12:00 PM

If you think all the hate in the world is religion influenced only then you are sadly mistaken. And you do realize that the Bible doesn't condone that type of discrimination right? That is not my interpretation that is written in it. The love thy neighbor actually refutes the KKK.

The bible isn't black and white, 1's and 0's. Different people take different interpretations of it... for example the west borough baptist church takes it to mean go to dead soldiers funerals and picket because that way you are helping your neighbor to not defend gays. Of course, this is an extremist views but there are a lot of extremists out there....

Also, i'm not saying religion is the root of all evil. Big corporations making profit over people and dictators executing their civilians are two examples where religion isn't involved. But on the other hand, there have been many religiously motivated mass murders such as Osama Bin Laden and some would say Hitler are two examples (Though Hitlers motivation could of been getting rid of the Jewish community because he felt they took all the jobs etc). And before you say it, of course (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwxnWi3mn6o) there have been atheist mass murders but their motivation isn't pleasing god, it's self motivation.

I want a world where religious people and atheists live together but where religious people accept other peoples choices (including their children) and atheists accept that religious people are free to believe in what they want.

Lovelife090994

October 19th, 2013, 12:24 PM

The bible isn't black and white, 1's and 0's. Different people take different interpretations of it... for example the west borough baptist church takes it to mean go to dead soldiers funerals and picket because that way you are helping your neighbor to not defend gays. Of course, this is an extremist views but there are a lot of extremists out there....

Also, i'm not saying religion is the root of all evil. Big corporations making profit over people and dictators executing their civilians are two examples where religion isn't involved. But on the other hand, there have been many religiously motivated mass murders such as Osama Bin Laden and some would say Hitler are two examples (Though Hitlers motivation could of been getting rid of the Jewish community because he felt they took all the jobs etc). And before you say it, of course (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwxnWi3mn6o) there have been atheist mass murders but their motivation isn't pleasing god, it's self motivation.

I want a world where religious people and atheists live together but where religious people accept other peoples choices (including their children) and atheists accept that religious people are free to believe in what they want.

I understand what you mean now. But I don't think athiests and the religious
will get along. So many atheists hate the religious and vice-versa and the good people are often not seen or heard.

deregisterme

November 3rd, 2013, 03:50 PM

I think I may have accidentally answered yes and meant no to the question, as it seems to be the reverse of the title. I'm an atheist, and go on the "live and let live". I have no issues with other peoples beliefs in general, as long as they're not trying to push them down my throat.

britishboy

November 5th, 2013, 02:56 PM

no, you can dislike anyone for any reason

Human

November 5th, 2013, 03:18 PM

Only if they try to stuff things down your throat... I don't care if they don't try to convert me or something like that

darthearth

November 6th, 2013, 01:04 AM

I think religious people need to modernize and realize that there is no God, only science and the randomnity of atoms.

OK, whatever you assert.

Of course it's not appropriate to dislike a person simply because they are religious. Like others have said, the problem is when they become obnoxious about it. And I'm a Christian and I certainly don't "hate gays". I think the problem is particular interpretations of "holy books" and ignorant tradition, not religion itself.

HotGurlMixy

November 6th, 2013, 01:51 AM

It's Okay If You Simply Dislike Someone...

whatsgoinon53

November 8th, 2013, 11:11 AM

Is it morally in-just to dislike a person because they are religious?

I am guessing that most of you would be religious seeming that most of you are from america, but just hear my side of the story.

I am not saying I won't be friends with someone or actively hate a religious person, but I will dislike a religious person when they start telling people how to live their life. For example, I was talking to my friend about the Boston bombings and he said that it could of been caused by God because Boston allowed gay marriage. That is up there with westboro baptist church. At that point, I disliked that person. However, could of been the A and B so C argument where This person doesnt like gay people and he is religious so I dislike him like in this video:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjqxayxwt4 .

However, in this case B does cause A so having B causes C.

Anyway, what do you think?

For me, I am a christian. However, I am not a christian who continuously moralizes people on how they should treat every situation. I completely disagree what your friend said about the Boston bombings. God doesn't punish people because he has truck loads of patience for our disobedience. I also strongly disagree with westboro baptist church's teachings and morals. Saying that God is America's enemy is a complete load of crap.

I do not, though, think that it is okay to dislike someone because of their religion. They might babble on about ways to live your life and it's okay to get annoyed, but that's still no reason to dislike them. You tolerate them. It might sound hard but it's really not.

Canadian Dream

November 24th, 2013, 10:26 PM

I think it's injust to hate someone because they're religious, they are allowed to believe in whatever they want (it's a basic right in canada!). They are human beings as much as us. So pretty much it's discrimination.

Achillea

November 26th, 2013, 03:12 PM

Judging a person by their religion is like judging a person by their skin or nationality. You cant tell why a person believes in something or doesnt believe in another. Imagine putting yourself in the persons shoes, to them , you hate them for no reason. Judge a person on what they do or say and how they make you feel. The only thing judging a person by their religion does is make you seem like a bad guy.

Sugaree

November 26th, 2013, 06:14 PM

(it's a basic right in canada!)

It shouldn't technically matter if it's a basic right in Canada or elsewhere, people believing in what they want to believe should be of no significance to you or anyone else for that matter. Hell, it shouldn't be a basic "right" to believe in what you want to believe, that's just stupid. You're going to believe in something anyways, why have a "right" to believe in it?

To answer the question, yes, it IS morally unjust (which is the word the OP might have been looking for) to dislike a person simply because they are religious. It's no different than disliking a person because they're American or because they have a different skin color. Regardless of your belief, or non-belief, in a higher power or prophet/certain philosophy, you shouldn't dislike someone based on their beliefs.

Further more, it is not up to us to judge each other. Surely, we can all recognize that there is enough suffering in this life; why must we make it worse on ourselves and continue to judge?

Canadian Dream

November 26th, 2013, 09:01 PM

It shouldn't technically matter if it's a basic right in Canada or elsewhere, people believing in what they want to believe should be of no significance to you or anyone else for that matter. Hell, it shouldn't be a basic "right" to believe in what you want to believe, that's just stupid. You're going to believe in something anyways, why have a "right" to believe in it?

Lets say it's more of a liberty. I think you're perception of it being stupid to have that right anywhere is offensive: The reason we have that right is because people have been discriminating others for generations because of religion and beliefs. It helps justice take decisions when we have problems related to that. As an example, that's why Quebec's Pauline Marois chart didn't go past the Supreme Court of Justice. Also, I believe Americans had problems related to discrimination a hundred years ago, right?

Kahn

November 26th, 2013, 09:52 PM

The religious experience is so much more than hate and deceit. Surely there's corruption in the Church and other faiths, but there's corruption in every human institution. James Madison, father of the Constitution, said it best when he stated Men aren't angels.

Is it morally injust to hate an atheist because they find comfort in their worldview?

Ashthefox

November 30th, 2013, 07:51 PM

that's not okay to dislike someone just because of their beliefs. If they're trying to shove them down your throat, that's a different story.

Celtic.

November 30th, 2013, 08:20 PM

johndoe1112

December 1st, 2013, 10:05 AM

i am a (catholic) but i do not shove my religion down peoples throats i let them believe what they want to believe and leave them alone but unless there trash talking my religion i don't give a fuck what they believe. they can believe that god is a flying spegetti monster or some shit i don't care

Lovelife090994

December 1st, 2013, 09:11 PM

Some atheist I have met are really nice until it gets to a god subject. They go completely mad. 3 mins ago you were nice but now your as mean as can be. I don't think that's very moral or respectable. im going to say no

You have actually met someone like that? To answer to OP, no, never dislike someone purely from their beliefs.

Celtic.

December 1st, 2013, 09:40 PM

yes I have met people like that.

Elvalight

December 1st, 2013, 11:20 PM

I never judge someone based on their religion. I know this because I have changed a ton since I met someone who wasn't a Christian like me. I still believe in Jesus, but people outside of Christianity made me for once in my life step into someone else's shoes, to see why they would dislike me for being a Christian and I found out just how spiteful and ignorant I had become from believing every little thing my mother told me was real and what wasn't. It challenged me to actually start learning more and deciding for myself what I believed instead of what had always been told to me like a robot.
It taught me a new respect for different people, that I could learn from even those who I didn't agree with. I used to hate lgbt people and why? Because that's what was TOLD to me, not what I believed. It took me such a long time to stand on my own feet as an individual, but now I feel like a person rather than a mindless robot.
For once in my life I started to cry because I looked around at so many Christians and saw them hurting lgbt people and saying that I had to get married and have sex or I was somehow rebelling against God. I just want to stay single, and I found out how unbelievers must feel hearing those crappy lies coming out of us. I stopped letting people tell me who I was and all I would ever be and started creating myself.

AgentHomo

December 22nd, 2013, 11:12 AM

I am guessing that most of you would be religious seeming that most of you are from america, but just hear my side of the story.

This is the most moronic stereotype I have ever heard. America is a secular nation. A fact I am happy about. We have the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion. This country was not founded on religious principles. In fact Thomas Jefferson insured that America was founded on secularism. To say America is a religious country is utter ignorance.

I think religious people need to modernize and realize that there is no God, only science and the randomnity of atoms.

This. Religious people are stuck in the 16th century during the Dark Ages. This is the 21st century. The world is moving towards global secularism and starting to support humans rights, with the exception of extremist nations such as Uganda. But soon those countries will see the lack of progress they are making in human rights compared to Sweden, the UK, Canada, and the US. On a personal level. I have no problem with people believing whatever they want. It is a fact religious is a crutch for the weak minded and the ignorant. If one wants to ignore scientific fact and worship some imaginary being and fairy tale book to make themselves feel better, be my guest. But as soon as they cross the line by shoving their religious bigotry down others throats, that's when I will get extreme.

I heard a quote saying religion is like having a penis. It's cool you have one but is not OK to shove it down people's throats. Basically this quote has so much truth to it. In conclusion, religion is based on illogical assumptions made before scientific discoveries, so people who are religious are living in the Dark Ages. Be stuck in the past or support progress.

World Eater

December 23rd, 2013, 01:08 AM

People can believe what they want. I can ignore their beliefs.

darthearth

December 23rd, 2013, 03:12 AM

It is a fact religious is a crutch for the weak minded and the ignorant. If one wants to ignore scientific fact and worship some imaginary being and fairy tale book to make themselves feel better, be my guest. ...religion is based on illogical assumptions made before scientific discoveries

I'm a Christian, and I'm very religious. How is it a fact I am therefore then "weak minded and ignorant", please give a reference to the logical proof that was made. What scientific facts do I ignore? What imaginary being do I worship? What fairy tale book do I believe in and exactly how do I believe in it? How do I just make myself feel better? What illogical assumptions? But all of these questions are rhetorical (I'm not seeking an answer from you as it is off topic), the point is you are very ignorant, you know nothing about my faith or the reasons why I believe what I do believe. Your statements have no credibility. In fact I have another thread that gives a logical argument for a God, I highly doubt you would be able to touch it.

........But as soon as they cross the line by shoving their religious bigotry down others throats, that's when I will get extreme.

These are very extreme statements you have made. I have not attempted to shove anything down your throat and it does seem like you are unjustly disliking people who are religious through your groundless accusations. How can you claim you genuinely "like" a person and speak all this falsehood about them? It's almost slanderous to definitively claim (by saying it is a "fact") that they are "weak minded" without any grounds to do so. Reexamine yourself.

And I would say it is definitely morally unjust to dislike a person just because they are religious, the term "religious" does not necessarily connote any particular view other than belief in a god/God.

Walter Powers

December 23rd, 2013, 02:48 PM

Is it morally in-just to dislike a person because they are religious?

I am guessing that most of you would be religious seeming that most of you are from america, but just hear my side of the story.

I am not saying I won't be friends with someone or actively hate a religious person, but I will dislike a religious person when they start telling people how to live their life. For example, I was talking to my friend about the Boston bombings and he said that it could of been caused by God because Boston allowed gay marriage. That is up there with westboro baptist church. At that point, I disliked that person. However, could of been the A and B so C argument where This person doesnt like gay people and he is religious so I dislike him like in this video:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjqxayxwt4 .

However, in this case B does cause A so having B causes C.

Anyway, what do you think?

This is what you call "sterotyping".

I think it's far more common that people of faith, specifically Christians, are having atheism shoved down their throats then the other way around. Some of these people are so dead set that a God can't exist they publically try to degrade Christians. In my high school, at least, this is the case. I've never once witnessed a group of Christians making fun of atheists; the other way around seems to happen almost daily!

This is from an independant point of view, too; I'm agnostic.

It is a fact religious is a crutch for the weak minded and the ignorant. If one wants to ignore scientific fact and worship some imaginary being and fairy tale book to make themselves feel better, be my guest. [/b]

This is bigotry and ignorance. My friend, I'm not sure what fantasy world you are living in, but the religous people in my life by and large the kindest and hardest working I've ever met.

AgentHomo

December 23rd, 2013, 03:15 PM

Judging a person by their religion is like judging a person by their skin or nationality.

Oh please, one can choose their religious beliefs. For no reason relevant to me I can choose to believe in Christianity, Muslim, or some of the other thousands of religions that have existed since human history. One's race or nationality is NOT chosen. A person is born into it. Yes, someone may be born into a religious family, but they should have the right to chose how to think for themselves.

Race, nationality, etc = not chosen
Religion = chosen

Bleid

December 23rd, 2013, 06:49 PM

Vocabulous

December 23rd, 2013, 07:15 PM

It is if they were being right cocks about it. I'd dislike an atheist if they where annoying about it.

Walter Powers

December 24th, 2013, 12:43 AM

Oh please, one can choose their religious beliefs. For no reason relevant to me I can choose to believe in Christianity, Muslim, or some of the other thousands of religions that have existed since human history. One's race or nationality is NOT chosen. A person is born into it. Yes, someone may be born into a religious family, but they should have the right to chose how to think for themselves.

Race, nationality, etc = not chosen
Religion = chosen

So it is okay for you to judge somebody based on their choices, as long as it's not something they're born with? You are the person being ignorant and bigoted here. See how far that logic gets you in life.

It seems to me, that a homosexual, of all people, wouldn't want people judging them.

isaiah1038

December 24th, 2013, 02:20 AM

I'm a Christian, and I'm very religious. How is it a fact I am therefore then "weak minded and ignorant", please give a reference to the logical proof that was made. What scientific facts do I ignore? What imaginary being do I worship? What fairy tale book do I believe in and exactly how do I believe in it? How do I just make myself feel better? What illogical assumptions? But all of these questions are rhetorical (I'm not seeking an answer from you as it is off topic), the point is you are very ignorant, you know nothing about my faith or the reasons why I believe what I do believe. Your statements have no credibility. In fact I have another thread that gives a logical argument for a God, I highly doubt you would be able to touch it.

These are very extreme statements you have made. I have not attempted to shove anything down your throat and it does seem like you are unjustly disliking people who are religious through your groundless accusations. How can you claim you genuinely "like" a person and speak all this falsehood about them? It's almost slanderous to definitively claim (by saying it is a "fact") that they are "weak minded" without any grounds to do so. Reexamine yourself.

And I would say it is definitely morally unjust to dislike a person just because they are religious, the term "religious" does not necessarily connote any particular view other than belief in a god/God.

Sorry, I have to disagree with you on both parts. Religous people in my life are always preaching to me and patronizing me. Also, what irrefutable evidence is there that there IS a god, and he actually created everything that has ever existed. The only evidence I can think of is the fact that humans have a part of their brain that is wired to experience a "religious moment" (don't know how to explain it) that causes people to feel euphoric and spiritual. Other than that, religion only exists because it is within human nature to try to make up some being that actually gives a shit about us. Ironic, considering I don't feel like god gives even half a fuck. And so, on the seventh day, not a single fuck was given. Neither was one given on any day thereafter. The end. :yes:

isaiah1038

December 24th, 2013, 02:24 AM

Some atheist I have met are really nice until it gets to a god subject. They go completely mad. 3 mins ago you were nice but now your as mean as can be. I don't think that's very moral or respectable. im going to say no

Sorry, we just get pissy when people believe in something so, sorry for disrespecting anyone here, idiotic and nonfactual. No offense, just saying the facts.

darthearth

December 24th, 2013, 02:32 AM

Sorry, I have to disagree with you on both parts. Religous people in my life are always preaching to me and patronizing me. Also, what irrefutable evidence is there that there IS a god, and he actually created everything that has ever existed. The only evidence I can think of is the fact that humans have a part of their brain that is wired to experience a "religious moment" (don't know how to explain it) that causes people to feel euphoric and spiritual. Other than that, religion only exists because it is within human nature to try to make up some being that actually gives a shit about us. Ironic, considering I don't feel like god gives even half a fuck. And so, on the seventh day, not a single fuck was given. Neither was one given on any day thereafter. The end. :yes:

What does this have to do with the OP? Are you saying it is morally just to dislike someone simply because they believe in a God? Keep in mind the thread you are in.

glad0s

December 24th, 2013, 03:03 AM

Morally unjust to dislike someone because they are religious? No.
Morally unjust to dislike someone who uses their religious beliefs as a reason to dislike others? No; that's their belief. I am not going to let contrasting beliefs divide us.
Morally unjust to dislike someone who hurts others because their religious/personal beliefs contrast with theirs? Yes.

AgentHomo

December 24th, 2013, 09:06 AM

So it is okay for you to judge somebody based on their choices, as long as it's not something they're born with? You are the person being ignorant and bigoted here. See how far that logic gets you in life.

It seems to me, that a homosexual, of all people, wouldn't want people judging them.

Trust me, I do get judged all the time. For being a homosexual. It is not right to judge someone on something they can't control. Sexual orientation, race, nationality. But to CHOOSE religion is choosing to be ignorant of scientific fact, which I see is acceptable for judgement. Why choose to believe in an imaginary being and a philosophy that has copious amounts if contradictions to it while throwing out the fact of evolution as the work of another imaginary being? See my point?

Walter Powers

December 24th, 2013, 11:21 AM

Trust me, I do get judged all the time. For being a homosexual. It is not right to judge someone on something they can't control. Sexual orientation, race, nationality. But to CHOOSE religion is choosing to be ignorant of scientific fact, which I see is acceptable for judgement. Why choose to believe in an imaginary being and a philosophy that has copious amounts if contradictions to it while throwing out the fact of evolution as the work of another imaginary being? See my point?

You are impossible.

IT IS NOT okay to judge somebody based on their religion. This is crazy that I even have to be talking to you about this. This is something you lecture a ten year old about! Just because YOU disagree with them does not mean that they are wrong and you are right. I cannot believe somebody would have the audacity to think that in their less then two decades walking on this earth, they are so certain that there is no God that they can prematurely label those who do believe as idiots. Guess what, you don't have a "scientific fact" that proves there isn't a God anymore they they have one that there is, so why don't you end this bigotry and ignorance and stop judging others.

Just a word of advice: In my experience, Christians are the kindest and most hardworking people I know. Be their friends, not their enemies. I'm not asking you to convert, just simply admit you don't have the answers to the universe anymore then they do, and STOP JUDGING PEOPLE!

Oh, and many many Christians and other peoples of faith prescribe to evolution, in fact I believe it may now be a majority. Again, you can't just assume these things!

As I've said, one would think that a homosexual would appreciate the Christian principles of acceptance. Put yourself in a heavily Muslim country, and you'd be hung by a construction crane for practicing homosexuality or possibly even kissing a man.

Willweston

December 24th, 2013, 12:15 PM

, but if there a massive nob or crazy religious then go ahead!

Celtic.

December 25th, 2013, 03:30 PM

Sorry, we just get pissy when people believe in something so, sorry for disrespecting anyone here, idiotic and nonfactual. No offense, just saying the facts.

why get mat because they are not atheist? What might make sense for you wont work on everyone

Vlerchan

December 25th, 2013, 04:16 PM

Sorry, we just get pissy when people believe in something so, sorry for disrespecting anyone here, idiotic and nonfactual. No offense, just saying the facts.
We? That's a rather broad generalisation right there.

Walter Powers

December 27th, 2013, 01:17 AM

I find it laughable that the people who are the ones needing a lecture on stereotyping and judging are those attacking people of faith, and they don't understand their hypocrisy.

Straight

December 27th, 2013, 12:28 PM

This is the most moronic stereotype I have ever heard. America is a secular nation. A fact I am happy about. We have the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion. This country was not founded on religious principles. In fact Thomas Jefferson insured that America was founded on secularism. To say America is a religious country is utter ignorance.

This. Religious people are stuck in the 16th century during the Dark Ages. This is the 21st century. The world is moving towards global secularism and starting to support humans rights, with the exception of extremist nations such as Uganda. But soon those countries will see the lack of progress they are making in human rights compared to Sweden, the UK, Canada, and the US. On a personal level. I have no problem with people believing whatever they want. It is a fact religious is a crutch for the weak minded and the ignorant. If one wants to ignore scientific fact and worship some imaginary being and fairy tale book to make themselves feel better, be my guest. But as soon as they cross the line by shoving their religious bigotry down others throats, that's when I will get extreme.

I heard a quote saying religion is like having a penis. It's cool you have one but is not OK to shove it down people's throats. Basically this quote has so much truth to it. In conclusion, religion is based on illogical assumptions made before scientific discoveries, so people who are religious are living in the Dark Ages. Be stuck in the past or support progress.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4PSY_E0iAiA/TuQHu5hwvRI/AAAAAAAAAgs/fJZMCDWxAPM/s1600/Pew_religion_in_america_pie.png

Sugaree

December 27th, 2013, 12:46 PM

Danny_boi 16

December 27th, 2013, 12:58 PM

Define morality, then define what you believe is moral.

AgentHomo

December 27th, 2013, 01:04 PM

Your point, in and of itself, is trying to justify your own ignorance. If you have been so unfairly judged - and I do agree, if you are homosexual and have been judged based solely on that, it IS unfair - then why go around judging others? One would like to think that, since you have been judged, you would be under the mindset of "Since I have been judged, and I know how it feels, I don't want others to feel the way I felt when I was judged, so I won't judge them." Do you see MY point?

I agree to a point. Treat others as you wish to be treated. If people want to believe in an imaginary being the goes against all laws of science, so be it. But the second one with religious beliefs use it to tell me what I do is wrong and I should burn in "Hell" I will not hesitate one second to point out the flaws in religious faith.

Sugaree

December 27th, 2013, 01:11 PM

I agree to a point. Treat others as you wish to be treated. If people want to believe in an imaginary being the goes against all laws of science, so be it. But the second one with religious beliefs use it to tell me what I do is wrong and I should burn in "Hell" I will not hesitate one second to point out the flaws in religious faith.

At which point, may I suggest you just smile and walk away? There's no sense in starting an argument or making further bad blood between the two parties in contention. It is much easier, and much less frustrating, to simply give your naysayers a smile and walk away from them in peace, knowing that YOU are comfortable with yourself, rather than arguing with them.

AgentHomo

December 27th, 2013, 01:20 PM

At which point, may I suggest you just smile and walk away? There's no sense in starting an argument or making further bad blood between the two parties in contention. It is much easier, and much less frustrating, to simply give your naysayers a smile and walk away from them in peace, knowing that YOU are comfortable with yourself, rather than arguing with them.

Because what right do they have to use their beliefs to discriminate against me or anybody else they consider to be "sinful", "immoral", and an "abomination"? Keep your ignorant beliefs to yourselves and I won't bother you. Go out and say "Gays aren't allowed to marry because *Insert religious figure here* said its wrong" and then I will challenge those beliefs. Same with other people. I go by scientific fact. Science has proven that those with religious beliefs have much lower IQ's than those who don't hold religious beliefs. Science has also proven that homosexuality is completely natural. Whether science has also proven that there is no higher being, in time.

Walter Powers

December 27th, 2013, 01:30 PM

Because what right do they have to use their beliefs to discriminate against me or anybody else they consider to be "sinful", "immoral", and an "abomination"? Keep your ignorant beliefs to yourselves and I won't bother you. Go out and say "Gays aren't allowed to marry because *Insert religious figure here* said its wrong" and then I will challenge those beliefs. Same with other people. I go by scientific fact. Science has proven that those with religious beliefs have much lower IQ's than those who don't hold religious beliefs. Science has also proven that homosexuality is completely natural. Whether science has also proven that there is no higher being, in time.

Did you not read my above post? Stop being a bigot.

AgentHomo

December 27th, 2013, 01:34 PM

I find it laughable that the people who are the ones needing a lecture on stereotyping and judging are those attacking people of faith, and they don't understand their hypocrisy.

Did you not read my above post? Stop being a bigot.

I'm not attacking anyone's faith just for the fun of it. If people attack me with their faith, I will attack their faith. Basic logic of war. Being scientifically correct is not being a bigot. Using religious belief to justify homophobia or racism is bigoted,

Walter Powers

December 27th, 2013, 01:45 PM

I'm not attacking anyone's faith just for the fun of it. If people attack me with their faith, I will attack their faith. Basic logic of war. Being scientifically correct is not being a bigot. Using religious belief to justify homophobia or racism is bigoted,

Here's what I said above. I'd like a real response, as you are being very hypocritical:

You are impossible.

IT IS NOT okay to judge somebody based on their religion. This is crazy that I even have to be talking to you about this. This is something you lecture a ten year old about! Just because YOU disagree with them does not mean that they are wrong and you are right. I cannot believe somebody would have the audacity to think that in their less then two decades walking on this earth, they are so certain that there is no God that they can prematurely label those who do believe as idiots. Guess what, you don't have a "scientific fact" that proves there isn't a God anymore they they have one that there is, so why don't you end this bigotry and ignorance and stop judging others.

Just a word of advice: In my experience, Christians are the kindest and most hardworking people I know. Be their friends, not their enemies. I'm not asking you to convert, just simply admit you don't have the answers to the universe anymore then they do, and STOP JUDGING PEOPLE!

Oh, and many many Christians and other peoples of faith prescribe to evolution, in fact I believe it may now be a majority. Again, you can't just assume these things!

As I've said, one would think that a homosexual would appreciate the Christian principles of acceptance. Put yourself in a heavily Muslim country, and you'd be hung by a construction crane for practicing homosexuality or possibly even kissing a man.

AgentHomo

December 27th, 2013, 01:49 PM

Here's what I said above. I'd like a real response, as you are being very hypocritical:

As said above, I would not judge anyone based on what they believe. If you want to believe in an imaginary being that I can't logically see existing because of factual evidence of science, knock yourself out. Hats off to you. But using that belief to dictate the lives of others is the point I will judge the ridiculous belief.

Vlerchan

December 27th, 2013, 01:52 PM

[...]because of factual evidence of science, knock yourself out. Hats off to you.Can you provide this factual evidence that a God(s) doesn't exist and there is no such possibility of such a God(s) existing?

I'd be interested if you could.

Quick_Sylver

December 27th, 2013, 01:55 PM

lijrobert

December 27th, 2013, 01:55 PM

AgentHomo

December 27th, 2013, 01:56 PM

Can you provide this factual evidence that a God(s) doesn't exist and there is no such possibility of such a God(s) existing?

I'd be interested if you could.

Can you please provide logical evidence one such being exists? If he does how did he get here? If he does how can he allow pain and suffering? And how do you even know he isn't a she? While there isn't scientific evidence that directly proves or disproves the existence of a being, scientific fact and logic dictate that the irrational notion of a higher being is just ridiculous. But again, believe what ever one wants to believe. Just don't use the ridiculous beliefs to dictate my life.

Plasma

December 27th, 2013, 01:57 PM

It's not okay to dislike someone for it in my mind. Just like it's not okay to dislike someone because they're NOT religious. Or because they're white, black, mexican, asian, or any other kind of race. I'd say you need to have a specific personal experience to not like someone

Vlerchan

December 27th, 2013, 02:01 PM

Can you please provide logical evidence one such being exists?So, basically, what you're trying to tell me is that you don't have this 'factual evidence' that disproves the existence of God(s) that you were flouting about a few moments earlier? Ok. Cool. That's all I wanted to know.

AgentHomo

December 27th, 2013, 02:09 PM

So, basically, what you're trying to tell me is that you don't have this 'factual evidence' that disproves the existence of God(s) that you were flouting about a few moments earlier? Ok. Cool. That's all I wanted to know.

I do admit that I personally don't have factual evidence, and instead of saying "Where is your evidence?" I am going to say this: how much logic is there in the concept of a deity who doesn't show the self, who allows pain and suffering in the world, and who allows their followers to use their faith to dictate the lives of others who don't believe. Doesn't the majority if some religions say to love one another? I'm sorry but saying "AgentHomo, I love you but you're an abomination to my deity and are going to burn in Hell." isnt love.

So, instead of evidence that proves the existence of a deity, what logical evidence do you have?

Just saying, but the theory of evolution and the reason of science sounds a lot more logical than we just instantly appeared.

Vlerchan

December 27th, 2013, 02:18 PM

So, instead of evidence that proves the existence of a deity, what logical evidence do you have?None. Which is sorta why I am an atheist as it says in my signature. I was just making an attempt to point out the hypocrisy/irony in what you were saying - i.e., claiming to be all rational and logical whilst outright denying the existence of a god without rational- or logical-backing.

Just saying, but the theory of evolution and the reason of science sounds a lot more logical than we just instantly appeared.One thing I've noticed here is that more atheists than theists actually take the bible literally. Strange.

AgentHomo

December 27th, 2013, 02:21 PM

None. Which is sorta why I am an atheist as it says in my signature. I was just making an attempt to point out the hypocrisy/irony in what you were saying - i.e., claiming to be all rational and logical whilst outright denying the existence of a god without rational- or logical-backing.

One thing I've noticed here is that more atheists than theists actually take the bible literally. Strange.

I will say this for the last time, but believing in an illogical being that is in contradiction of the forces of nature, I'm fine with that. Believe whatever one wants to believe, but judge me using those ridiculous beliefs and I will judge those beliefs. So. In other words, keep the illogical justification for one's bigotry to themselves and I won't call them out.

Sugaree

December 27th, 2013, 02:42 PM

Religious people who are excessive about their religion to go so far as to preach to the crowd from the street corner - or come to a public school's grand re-opening for a mass when half the school is not religious: Yes.

I do judge people who blast their religion, especially Christianity. And once the "How dare you judge me!" dies down, I'll explain why.

I'm a solitary practitioner Neo-Pagan/Pagan.
I'm transexual.
I'm pansexual.

No matter where I turn, I've been told I'm going to hell, purely because I choose to practice worshiping the earth instead of praising the sky's Abrahamic God in hopes to make it to Heaven, or because I can't live with myself as my born sex. And I guess, because I choose to refuse to ignore the attraction(s) I have.

So I judge people who cling to their faith in a righteous rage at my right to exist without bending to join their religion - it's been tried.

Is it morally unjust to automatically judge all religious people? No.
Is it discrimination to judge those who practice a specific religion when it has been used a tool of indoctrination and discrimination against me? Yes.

Is it survival to judge who is a safe companion to be around, including mental health? Yes

I think this is probably the most clear and concise post in this entire thread. Good job, Niko.

I will say this for the last time, but believing in an illogical being that is in contradiction of the forces of nature, I'm fine with that. Believe whatever one wants to believe, but judge me using those ridiculous beliefs and I will judge those beliefs. So. In other words, keep the illogical justification for one's bigotry to themselves and I won't call them out.

You keep using the word "bigotry" when you obviously mean to say "belief". I have to ask this question, because it just keeps bugging me way too much: Are you able to PROVE, beyond reasonable doubt, that because you are being judged, for any reason, not just because you happen to be gay, that the person judging you is a bigot?

Lovelife090994

December 27th, 2013, 11:20 PM

I'll make my thoughts quite plain. Never, and I do mean never dislike someone purely for their beliefs. You do not have to agree with a person or like the person because that person probably does not agree with you on everything or most things also. But, do at least not bash a person's faith. Is it okay to disagree and be angered? Yes, if you have a personal problem with something then that is with you, just don't dislike all who have the belief you happen to strongly disagree with. I think the problem many make when not liking something such as a belief is extending their dislike to the person which is not good or just.

darthearth

December 28th, 2013, 12:02 AM

It depends on what you mean by morality. Is it 'right' and OK that I hate people just because of their mannerisms? No it's not, but I wouldn't say it's immoral.

That said, I don't think it's OK just to hate someone because they're religious. If their obnoxious then it's fine. I know personally I do have a tendency to dislike people more if they're religious, but most of my friends are religious so I've learned to deal with it.

I believe it refers to the good/bad character sense of morality:

"concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character." "Unjust" as in not justified according to good moral character. By this sense, I do believe it to be morally unjust.

And why do you have a tendency to dislike people more if they're religious? Are you really referring to being religious itself or having oppressive behavior toward others?

I will say this for the last time, but believing in an illogical being that is in contradiction of the forces of nature......

The four fundamental forces of nature are: strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force. You claim the concept of God contradicts these forces. I claim it does not. You further claim I am weak minded and ignorant. Interesting.

Walter Powers

December 28th, 2013, 12:57 AM

As said above, I would not judge anyone based on what they believe. If you want to believe in an imaginary being that I can't logically see existing because of factual evidence of science, knock yourself out. Hats off to you. But using that belief to dictate the lives of others is the point I will judge the ridiculous belief.

I'm glad you've had a change of heart.

SCHS1998

December 28th, 2013, 02:01 AM

I don't think it's right to dislike someone simply because of certain beliefs they hold. Now if they try to shove religion down your throat when you have stated that you don't believe that way, then yes i think it is okay to dislike them. But then you are disliking them not because they are religious but because they are trying to make you religious.

nklarke

December 28th, 2013, 11:27 PM

Thephantomllama

December 29th, 2013, 07:06 PM

I hate intolerance, belligerence and self-righteousness. Personally, I'm not a fan of organised religion because i think it takes away peoples voices. however i dont think a person being religious is a reason to dislike them, but the way they act is probably why you might feel that way. I've had loads of informed and tolerant discussions with religious people at my school and its a good thing to debate as long as everyone taking part isnt totally ignorant about how they see the world and blot out peoples opinions

Xeon931

December 29th, 2013, 08:15 PM

Well i dont hate you for not being religous

mww113

December 30th, 2013, 12:08 PM

Full disclosure: I am an athiest. I believe that religion is fundamentally destructive and caustic. I believe that religion causes many more problems that it resolves and that most religious ideology is not only ridiculous, but it is also very dangerous and contributes to the increase of violence and division of populations in the world. I've advocated publicly for these views, and watched a lot of documentaries and panels about the subject. I even got the privilege of watching Dr. Richard Dawkins lecture live.

That said, I do not think it is acceptable to dislike someone simply because they are religious. I have many friends who are religious and we get along fine. It's often best to simply not discuss the subject. However, when someone says something like gay marriage caused the Boston bombings the situation changes completely. That particular statement is inflammatory and offensive in numerous ways, and it draws attention away from the real cause of violence and the problem we have in America with violence and weapons. It that cause it is perfectly acceptable to dislike the person, because what they've said is highly offensive. I would compare it to disliking a racist or a misogynist.

And as far as the argument that the Boston bombings were caused by homosexuality? Absurd. Are gay people responsible for every other man made and natural disaster? If I get in a car crash, is it because I'm gay or because I was driving 100mph? The argument is ridiculous. No thinking person could believe that.

Henry VIII

January 2nd, 2014, 07:18 PM

I believe it is, you should never judge anyone (at all) & especially not before you know them & you should not judge on the basis of Religion. As I was reading the other posts, I have come to realise that it is the person whom is at fault & not the Religion. If that makes sense?

workingatperfect

January 2nd, 2014, 07:32 PM

It's against MY morals to dislike someone on the sole basis of them practicing a religion. To others it might be ok, but I personally feel that it's wrong. (I'm Agnostic)

Moral Dilema:-

If you had to stop one person, would you stop an atheist arguing at a theist person to stop believing in God or would you stop a theist arguing at an atheist to believe in god?

This isn't really a moral dilemma, but I'll answer anyway. Ideally I would stop both, because they're both being obnoxious. But if I had to choose, I guess I'd stop the atheist because he's probably doing it just to be a dick, whereas a lot of religious people seem to push their religion because they think it will "save" that person if they believe... I guess generally speaking, the religious person is more likely to have good intentions.

AtypicalTeen

January 2nd, 2014, 10:40 PM

We choose lots of different reasons to like or dislike someone. I personally judge people predominantly on their intelligence. Not to be rude to people but generally I get on better with more intelligent people because we can talk about lots of things etc. and that is my personal preference. Although intelligent people can be religious, generally more intelligent people are less likely to be religious. Religious beliefs also demonstrate a clear deficit in critical thinking faculties. While I cannot say there is no god, there is certainly no argument, proof or evidence to even suggest it therefore anyone who believes it does so for bad reasons.

Synyster Shadows

January 3rd, 2014, 09:35 AM

I think it is morally unjust if person A dislikes person B solely for the reason that B is religious, and for no other reason, regardless of whether or not B tries to aggressively shove their beliefs down others' throats. That said, I also think it is unjust to dislike B if B is an atheist doing the same thing - aggressively trying to shove their beliefs down others' throats. If B is a bad person, however, then it would be acceptable to dislike them.

TheWaterPrince

January 5th, 2014, 01:35 AM

The answer is pretty simple. If a person tries to shove their religious views down your throat and you dislike them for that that's all well and good but disliking a person for no other reason than that they are of a religious viewing is very narrow minded and borderline stereotypical.

Scottishdanny

January 5th, 2014, 09:38 PM

The title and then the OP of this thread are a bit different from each other. There's a difference between being religious and then pushing your religion onto other people. The first is completely acceptable, and I believe everyone is entitled to. There's no justification to stopping someone from having a religious belief, much like there is no justification for persecuting someone because of a political or other moral belief.

There is however an issue with someone actually pushing their religion onto others. This could vary from myself, as a Protestant Christian, preaching to you about my beliefs and telling you they're right and yours are wrong. However, it also comes down to things such as honour-based violence and domestic violence in religious families where, for example, they family has come from a country where woman are expected to behave in a certain manner and wear certain garments, and the mother and rest of this family follow this tradition, despite being away from home, yet let's say a daughter does not and is punished for it. Forcing your beliefs onto someone can range so hugely, as that shows.

It's a simple answer however. Should you dislike anyone for being religious or having a religious belief? Of course not: that's simply closed minded and being un accepting of other's beliefs. Should you dislike, frown upon and disapprove of someone actually pushing their religion onto you or not accepting that you've different religious beliefs from them? Of course. In a modern world, it is a shocking way to behave to force your beliefs on others. Believing is different from forcing others to believe.

DarknessUnicorn

January 9th, 2014, 02:41 AM

I would definitely say no. I have tons of religious friends, and I've never had anything against them. I mean, if there's like, JW people coming at your door at 9am on a Sunday, I think you have permission to hate on them, but religious people in general, I would say no.

AlexOnToast

January 9th, 2014, 03:44 PM

So long as they dont preach to me, it makes no difference to me

SecretlyKnown

January 24th, 2014, 05:00 AM

I think it is rude and morally in-just to have a dislike for someone because they are considered religious.

Rallo

January 25th, 2014, 07:31 AM

I personally believe disliking someone simply because of their religion is some what wrong, up with disliking someone simply because of their race, etc.

However, your post isn't disliking someone because of their religion at all, rather it's disliking them for attempting to push their religion ("bible bash") on you or others. That's a completely different thing and shouldn't be confused with the group 'religious people' as a whole, as not all will force their beliefs on you. You'll actually find the majority of the more mature religious people will accept your beliefs while still believing different things themselves; they won't force their beliefs on you.

DisneyPrincess27

March 11th, 2014, 06:10 PM

Honestly being religious doesn't mean you're "stuck in the Dark Ages" or ignorant there are many intelligent people who are religious. My (church)family and I included. It's not a crutch for weak minded people. Believing in a higher power or having great faith in your religion doesn't make a person stupid or outdated, just as not believing in a higher power doesn't make a person smart or up to date.

Karkat

March 11th, 2014, 06:26 PM

It's ok to not agree with what another person believes because of religion, or not like the way someone would treat you because of their religion, however, if the person is willing to treat you the way you want to be treated, and not bring their religion into things, and you still don't like them for being religious, it makes you extremely prejudiced and a bit bigoted.

Same with not liking someone who is an atheist solely because they're an atheist.

It's ok to not like someone who is religious, but ask yourself if it's their lifestyle you don't like, or if it's the way they treat you that you don't like.

No different from disliking anyone else who falls into a stereotype.

Say, you don't like this black woman. Do you not like her because she's actually just an irritating and stale human being regardless, or do you not like her because she's a woman? Because she's black?

Are you looking at the bigger picture, or are you letting your prejudices control your life and make you a hateful, ignorant person? That's the real question.

DisneyPrincess27

March 11th, 2014, 06:27 PM

This is the most moronic stereotype I have ever heard. America is a secular nation. A fact I am happy about. We have the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion. This country was not founded on religious principles. In fact Thomas Jefferson insured that America was founded on secularism. To say America is a religious country is utter ignorance.

This. Religious people are stuck in the 16th century during the Dark Ages. This is the 21st century. The world is moving towards global secularism and starting to support humans rights, with the exception of extremist nations such as Uganda. But soon those countries will see the lack of progress they are making in human rights compared to Sweden, the UK, Canada, and the US. On a personal level. I have no problem with people believing whatever they want. It is a fact religious is a crutch for the weak minded and the ignorant. If one wants to ignore scientific fact and worship some imaginary being and fairy tale book to make themselves feel better, be my guest. But as soon as they cross the line by shoving their religious bigotry down others throats, that's when I will get extreme.

I heard a quote saying religion is like having a penis. It's cool you have one but is not OK to shove it down people's throats. Basically this quote has so much truth to it. In conclusion, religion is based on illogical assumptions made before scientific discoveries, so people who are religious are living in the Dark Ages. Be stuck in the past or support progress.

Honestly being religious doesn't mean you're "stuck in the Dark Ages" or ignorant there are many intelligent people who are religious. My (church)family and I included. It's not a crutch for weak minded people. Believing in a higher power or having great faith in your religion doesn't make a person stupid or outdated, just as not believing in a higher power doesn't make a person smart or up to date.

Karkat

March 11th, 2014, 06:56 PM

This. Religious people are stuck in the 16th century during the Dark Ages. This is the 21st century. The world is moving towards global secularism and starting to support humans rights, with the exception of extremist nations such as Uganda. But soon those countries will see the lack of progress they are making in human rights compared to Sweden, the UK, Canada, and the US. On a personal level. I have no problem with people believing whatever they want. It is a fact religious is a crutch for the weak minded and the ignorant. If one wants to ignore scientific fact and worship some imaginary being and fairy tale book to make themselves feel better, be my guest. But as soon as they cross the line by shoving their religious bigotry down others throats, that's when I will get extreme.

I heard a quote saying religion is like having a penis. It's cool you have one but is not OK to shove it down people's throats. Basically this quote has so much truth to it. In conclusion, religion is based on illogical assumptions made before scientific discoveries, so people who are religious are living in the Dark Ages. Be stuck in the past or support progress.

(Wow gnostic arrogance strikes again.)

I'm just going to sit here and appreciate the irony of your post. Just so much irony.

And hypocrisy, really. You think shoving your anti-religious beliefs down everyone's throats is any different from theists shoving religion down everyone's throats?

Fact is irrelevant when hate and humanity are concerned. I find it so ironic that you claim to care about human rights when you possess an attitude like that. You think it's what people preach that is why you're concerned? Unless you actually believed in what they were preaching, it wouldn't affect you. No, what affects you is the fact that people who preach their religion can be hateful and ignorant. Which is pretty damn ironic.

Also, opinions are not facts. That's about the number one fact about opinions. Any debate team member would be tearing their hair out right now.

"It is a fact religious is a crutch for the weak minded and the ignorant."

That's your opinion. You can't pride yourself on fact and call an opinion a fact. It doesn't work that way.

It is my opinion that gnosticism can make a person wildly arrogant and ignorant. (Can, not will)

It is a fact that what you said isn't actually a fact.

I personally would rather support level-headed thinking, compassion, understanding, and enlightenment. Waving your atheism around isn't enlightenment. Being spiteful and condescending towards someone who doesn't believe the same things you do isn't enlightenment.

I support logic. I support progress. Not at the price of logic and progress- hypocrisy isn't very logical, and hate isn't very progressive.

Zenos

March 16th, 2014, 03:11 PM

Is it morally in-just to dislike a person because they are religious?

I am guessing that most of you would be religious seeming that most of you are from america, but just hear my side of the story.

I am not saying I won't be friends with someone or actively hate a religious person, but I will dislike a religious person when they start telling people how to live their life. For example, I was talking to my friend about the Boston bombings and he said that it could of been caused by God because Boston allowed gay marriage. That is up there with westboro baptist church. At that point, I disliked that person. However, could of been the A and B so C argument where This person doesnt like gay people and he is religious so I dislike him like in this video:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjqxayxwt4 .

However, in this case B does cause A so having B causes C.

Anyway, what do you think?

No it't not a matter of morals to like or dislike a person for anything.

In the example case, I would say it's fine. If they're religious but don't stuff anything down your throat, then it might be wrong, but when they do stuff it down your throat, that's when I wouldn't like them at all.
Also, you are totally wrong in assuming everyone in America is religious, as that is completely not true, but it is not for this discussion.

EDIT:

Though I personally agree, that is a matter of opinion and personal belief, not exactly fact.

Then even if you dislike the person you should respect their right to their beliefs instead of telling them they must modernize and in short get with the program and give up their beliefs!

I do not see anything wrong with disliking a person due to their beliefs,but it's another thing altogether when you start saying they should basically get with the program and stop believeing in what ever deity or deities they believe in..You don't have the right to make them do [email protected]!

Dalcourt

March 17th, 2014, 03:10 AM

I'm not sure if liking or disliking is a question of morals or not.

But saying you dislike someone just because of his/her religion is wrong, in my opinion. Everyone has a right to believe in whatever they want and disliking someone purely for that would be discrimination which is always wrong.

There are different views and opinions on everything in the world and who am I to judge what is wrong and what is right?

What you describe has not really anything to do with the beliefs of the person but with the character of that person...and disliking someone because of that is only human...

rprsupercar

March 27th, 2014, 09:55 AM

I'm religious and I do talk about my beliefs to my friends. But I never force them to accept what I say. But I don't dislike people who believe in another religion. I believe that mine's the true one.

Bmble_B

March 31st, 2014, 03:44 PM

I answered yes
I don't care how religious a person is. But as soon as they start trying to force their beliefs onto me and try to convince me that homosexuals, Bisexuals, etc. aren't meant to be alive or some other crap like that, SWERVE!

Gamma Male

April 2nd, 2014, 03:38 AM

I said yes. As long as you don't treat them any differently or in anyway discriminate against them because they're religious, it isn't wrong. You can't control whether or not you dislike someone. How can something that you have no control over be immoral?

phuckphace

April 2nd, 2014, 04:02 AM

even if someone who's religious tries to preach or proselytize to me, it doesn't really bother me. they're only doing what they believe is right, so I'm not going to hold it against them for attempting to convert me.

on the other hand, the ones I absolutely loathe are the blatantly hypocritical ones. I know this one guy who claims to be a devout Christian and is always talking about Biblical stuff, and then turns the conversation into X-rated sex talk about pussy and all the women he's had sex with. he likes to poke fun at me for supposedly being a virgin (he isn't aware that I'm gay and lost my V a while back) and says shit like "[phuckphace] doesn't get any pussy LOLOLOLOL virgin hurr durr". one time I reminded him that the Bible explicitly condemns having sex outside of marriage, and he got all butthurt and snarled "DON'T TELL ME WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS YOU'RE JUST A DUMBASS ATHEIST WHAT DO YOU KNOW" to which I replied, "it's people like you who are the reason people say Christians are hypocrites." that REALLY made him mad. made me mad too because it's true - Christians who actually try to live their lives according to the Bible look bad because of dicks like him.

Amsey

April 2nd, 2014, 04:10 AM

as a religious person I feel I have to say no it is not ok to dislike them, just because I believe something different from you doesn't mean we cant be friends... you need to except the fact some people believe and you/other don't, i excepted most my friends aint religious and they except me for me not my beliefs :)

hope that helps you

yviedarling

April 2nd, 2014, 11:46 AM

It is my personal belief that you should never dive into politics or religion with a person until you've seen their personality. I'm not religious, and I don't agree with organized religion. However, i don't hate on religious people or look down on them for their beliefs. I've had plenty of friends that for years I didn't know were super religious. I think the only time politics or religion have made me dislike a person was when it was shoved down my throat.

abc983055235235231a

April 2nd, 2014, 05:31 PM

Sort of disturbed by the number of people who think that it is okay to dislike someone just because they are religious.

Imagine if I made a poll asking "is it okay to dislike someone just because they are gay?" or "is it okay to dislike someone just because they like video games?" or "is it okay to dislike someone just because they are a musician?"
Religious belief is a harmless part of a person. People who are assholes about it are religious, and they are assholes. But all that means is that it's okay to dislike people who are assholes.

StrangerDanger

April 10th, 2014, 08:40 PM

EDIT:

Though I personally agree, that is a matter of opinion and personal belief, not exactly fact.

Nor is the Bible, 'fact'.

Tatii99

April 10th, 2014, 11:05 PM

I don't care about people's religion. I care more about the kind of things some people (religious or not) do.

TheMatrix

April 11th, 2014, 01:08 AM

I am Dutch(though I live in America), so I follow many of those culture and etiquette rules.
A very important one is that religion is a private topic*, between one's family and not everyone else. In fact, it is considered incredibly rude to talk publicly about religion, and people won't like you if you do.

Therefore, I don't dislike a person for having a religion, but I will be unhappy with them if they start discussing it all the time.

* The notable exception being the Bible belt in the north, where it's small communities with extreme religion going on.