national service?

[britishboy]

what do you all think of national service in today's world?

I think it would be good, and if your wondering why, watch bad lads army!:P

it would teach discipline and respect

[Harry Smith]

what do you all think of national service in today's world?

I think it would be good, and if your wondering why, watch bad lads army!:P

it would teach discipline and respect

They got rid of it for a reason, 3 years in the army doesn't help you with anything. Your more likely to become homeless and people end up becoming miserable. I wouldn't want many people in my school joining the army when they're 18, I want them going to university and enjoying life not killing children in poppy fields of Iraq.

We don't need anymore numbers in our armed forces because we simply cannot afford it, it doesn't teach discipline or respect- you can take a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.

All it would end up doing is pushing working class children into a uniform and forcing them to be miserable for 3 years, I've been to cadets- I wouldn't want to be forced to go to such an idiotic group

[Stronk Serb]

As much as I would like to say yes, no it's not like that any more. There are enough soldiers serving right now. It doesn't teach discipline to everybody, only a few.

[Yolo98]

People should have the choice to go into service or not , it shouldn't be mandatory.

[henry5331]

what do you all think of national service in today's world?

I think it would be good, and if your wondering why, watch bad lads army!:P

it would teach discipline and respect

I guess it depends on what you mean by "service."

Putting conscripts in an army is dangerous because there is always discipline problems which can result in all kinds of atrocities or good people get killed because of Private Doesn't-want-to-be-here. My grandpa was in Vietnam and he told us stories about the draftees. He was one too but he didn't do the kind of bad shit he said others did.

Beyond that I'm not sure I like the idea because it's basically legally-enforced slave labor, or indentured servitude.

If the idea is discipline, then teach discipline in school from day 1. Also give parents some slack when disciplining their kids.

Anyway that's what I think.

[britishboy]

They got rid of it for a reason, 3 years in the army doesn't help you with anything. Your more likely to become homeless and people end up becoming miserable. I wouldn't want many people in my school joining the army when they're 18, I want them going to university and enjoying life not killing children in poppy fields of Iraq.

We don't need anymore numbers in our armed forces because we simply cannot afford it, it doesn't teach discipline or respect- you can take a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.

All it would end up doing is pushing working class children into a uniform and forcing them to be miserable for 3 years, I've been to cadets- I wouldn't want to be forced to go to such an idiotic group

ah your back! it was 2 years and I believe it would be good or maybe turn prisons into penitentiaries , of course they shouldby go to war, just a year's disciplines and I don't know where you get working class from, the higher had to do it, recutes from all walks of life worked together, the poor learned class respect and how one should speak!

I think bad lads army has gotten to my head! :D

real penitentiaries may be better, may require bigger budgets but I'm sure reoffending will dramatically decrease

I guess it depends on what you mean by "service."

Putting conscripts in an army is dangerous because there is always discipline problems which can result in all kinds of atrocities or good people get killed because of Private Doesn't-want-to-be-here. My grandpa was in Vietnam and he told us stories about the draftees. He was one too but he didn't do the kind of bad shit he said others did.

Beyond that I'm not sure I like the idea because it's basically legally-enforced slave labor, or indentured servitude. penitentiaries

no one should be in conflict without consent, just a discipline thing and life skills thing

if the idea is discipline, then teach
discipline in school from day 1. Also
give parents some slack when
disciplining their kids.
Anyway that's what I think.

I agree with that, accept parents are responsible

[Harry Smith]

ah your back! it was 2 years and I believe it would be good or maybe turn prisons into penitentiaries , of course they shouldby go to war, just a year's disciplines and I don't know where you get working class from, the higher had to do it, recutes from all walks of life worked together, the poor learned class respect and how one should speak!

I think bad lads army has gotten to my head! :D

real penitentiaries may be better, may require bigger budgets but I'm sure reoffending will dramatically decrease

The armed forces doesn't teach you how to speak at all. The reason why it affects working class based people more so is because the middle class tend to get out of it by going to university.

I love how you assume that all poor people lack class respect.

You want to give prisoners access to guns? Your funeral

[britishboy]

The armed forces doesn't teach you how to speak at all. The reason why it affects working class based people more so is because the middle class tend to get out of it by going to university.

I love how you assume that all poor people lack class respect.

You want to give prisoners access to guns? Your funeral

a poor people can't get in uni? who's stereotyping now?;)

I believe I have good grounds to assume that

they can use blanks if you want but you don't even have to give them guns, thanks to lefties and David Cameron, our army makes Belgium look like a super power so we don't need soliders, the point is discipline, respect and life skills

[sqishy]

I don't see the point of people getting into a career where your individuality is removed and you're off to guard a country for it's namesake and possibly kill a few people and children along the way. Discipline should be given by parents and in school. If people don't have some by the time they are off to the army, there is something wrong.

I agree with Harry_Smith and henry5331.

[britishboy]

I don't see the point of people getting into a career where your individuality is removed and you're off to guard a country for it's namesake and possibly kill a few people and children along the way..

why one protects one's country is not in debate, I know being Ireland is not a proud country but there are many fighting for queen and country, for their presidents and goverments, they may want the harsh disciplined life, to get fit and maybe to help the world

anyway their are those, many in fact with no respect or fear of the law, the criminal justice system if you ask me needs change, prison is a joke

[Steven1]

I think that the concept of it is a great idea, since it would teach discipline and respect. However, how many 16-18 year olds do you know who could cope with the mental stress and trauma of war? Sure, some might be able to, but the majority wouldn't be able to. I think if they perhaps were a division of the Reserves, and weren't actually sent out unless they wanted to, then it could work great and improve todays society, since very few people (even they seem to be the ones who choose to do some form of Cadets) have respect and discipline nowadays.

[Cygnus]

National service should be a choice, I really think armies are getting bigger and bigger right now and that is something that shouldn't happen. It only contributes to a war-oriented attitude. War doesn't make peace.

[Southside]

Shouldn't parents and educators be responsible for teaching "discipline" and "respect"?

Military life isn't even how it use to be, once you get out you'll probably be unemployed or under employed. Its already too many people in the military anyway, but I know Britishboy thinks we need some type of millionn man army to fight against Russia or China or whatever he thinks..

[sqishy]

a poor people can't get in uni? who's stereotyping now?;)

I believe I have good grounds to assume that

they can use blanks if you want but you don't even have to give them guns, thanks to lefties and David Cameron, our army makes Belgium look like a super power so we don't need soliders, the point is discipline, respect and life skills

Well if it is for sustaining a country in dangerous/emergency situations, fine. But I question other motives.

[Vlerchan]

why one protects one's country is not in debate, I know being Ireland is not a proud country but there are many fighting for queen and country, for their presidents and goverments, they may want the harsh disciplined life, to get fit and maybe to help the world
I won't lie: I laughed. It's not the first time you've made such baseless assumptions about Ireland. Try learn something about the countries (even recent) history before commenting on how patriotic or nationalistic or proud individuals are here. Good starting points would be the Troubles; War of Independence; 1916 Rising.

My opinion on the matter has already been stated by HarrySmith and ContinuingToLive, among others. I won't bother repeating them.

[britishboy]

I won't lie: I laughed. It's not the first time you've made such baseless assumptions about Ireland. Try learn something about the countries (even recent) history before commenting on how patriotic or nationalistic or proud individuals are here. Good starting points would be the Troubles; War of Independence; 1916 Rising.

My opinion on the matter has already been stated by HarrySmith and ContinuingToLive, among others. I won't bother repeating them.

I have better things to do than learn about bankrupt Ireland, it will not help me in life and you haven't broken the stereotype have you?

Well if it is for sustaining a country in dangerous/emergency situations, fine. But I question other motives.

I don't think they should go to war, that's conscription and that's a different story

a national service like discipline will be of massive help

[Vlerchan]

I have better things to do than learn about bankrupt Ireland, it will not help me in life and you haven't broken the stereotype have you?

I'm unsure what you're trying to infer here. What stereotypes am I upholding in pointing out how horribly wrong your assessment of Irish nationalism is? I certainly can't think of any off hand. And whilst learning about Ireland, which whilst heavily indebted isn't bankrupt, most likely won't be that very helpful in life actually researching claims before you make them is generally a good idea. Saves me having to type up these responses. K? K.

[britishboy]

I'm unsure what you're trying to infer here. What stereotypes am I upholding in pointing out how horribly wrong your assessment of Irish nationalism is? I certainly can't think of any off hand. And whilst learning about Ireland, which whilst heavily indebted isn't bankrupt, most likely won't be that very helpful in life actually researching claims before you make them is generally a good idea. Saves me having to type up these responses. K? K.

this is off topic, and sorryyyyy I mistaked you for the guy thay was saying whats the point in protecting your country!

[sqishy]

I like to see myself as happening to be brought up in Ireland, and having little patriotism for it (or any other country). I like the culture, people and some of the landscapes, but that's about it.

[TheBigUnit]

It should be optional but encouraged

[Walter Powers]

Isreal does it. They have less then 10 million people yet a capacity to defend themselves probably equal to that of Britain.

However I oppose it on constitutional grounds; you can't force somebody to give their life for a cause. Also, it devalues the choice of the heroes who have risked their lives voluntarilly.

I like programs that encourage it, however, such as the idea of helping young people pay for college if they serve.

[TheMatrix]

A society in which its citizens must constantly be prepared for war is a society driven by fear. This fear -- be it legitimate or induced by those in power -- will be exploited by those very people. It is a sign that world affairs have taken a turn for the worse, and that the Proletariat, the very people to be forced into this forced service, must rise up and overthrow the corrupt capitalist regimes of the world imposing this upon them!

For when the Global Revolution strikes, there will be no need for power, as it is divided among those who deserve it, the Proletariat.
This time may be at hand. Be ready, comrades. The capitalists may supply you with guns, use them in your quest for the Global Revolution. Turn the tables on capitalism.

[Sugaree]

A society in which its citizens must constantly be prepared for war is a society driven by fear. This fear -- be it legitimate or induced by those in power -- will be exploited by those very people. It is a sign that world affairs have taken a turn for the worse, and that the Proletariat, the very people to be forced into this forced service, must rise up and overthrow the corrupt capitalist regimes of the world imposing this upon them!

For when the Global Revolution strikes, there will be no need for power, as it is divided among those who deserve it, the Proletariat.
This time may be at hand. Be ready, comrades. The capitalists may supply you with guns, use them in your quest for the Global Revolution. Turn the tables on capitalism.

>a war hunger, fear mongering, demagogue leader forces people into the army as a result of all three
>HURR DURR MUST BE A CAPITALIST

Grow up.

[britishboy]

I'm not suggesting they go to war or something like that but things need to get tougher

maybe set up camps for parents to send their kids who are acting terribly and are out of control

the working class of Britains youth's is terrible, and I hear it's alot worse in the US, just my suggestion

[Harry Smith]

a poor people can't get in uni? who's stereotyping now?;)

I believe I have good grounds to assume that

they can use blanks if you want but you don't even have to give them guns, thanks to lefties and David Cameron, our army makes Belgium look like a super power so we don't need soliders, the point is discipline, respect and life skills

More middle class people go to university, thats' why they have the K+ scheme, You've got more public school kids going to Russel group uni's than people from working class families- that's a fact.

Our army is much more superior to Belgium anyone with a hint of military knowledge knows that.

If you want discipline, respect and life skills don't go to the Army- it doesn't teach you how to pay bills, interact with normal people or live a normal life. Former servicemen are more likely to be homeless that's a fact. You can't force the army on 18 year olds.

Also Quantity doesn't equal Quality- Iraq had the 5th largest army. Your argument is very hypocritical- you want 18 year old school children to be forced in but you also want a better quality army- that's not how it works. We got rid of national service back in the 50's for a reason and that's because we don't need our children being forced to die. In regards to your most recent post that camp is called school. I don't understand how you think the army magically improves all children, I know for a fact that it doesn't. Maybe you should spend 9 months in an Army barracks and then tell us what great wonders it does

Finally please stop making rather rude comments about Ireland- as a proud 4th generation irish immigrant it's just plain rude to make such comments like that.