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Southside
September 15th, 2013, 07:59 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/15/jonathan-ferrell-killed_n_3931282.html?ref=topbar


CHARLOTTE, N.C. — The deadly encounter was set in motion when a former college football player survived a wreck and went searching for help in the middle of the night. A frightened woman heard him pounding and opened her front door, then called police. Officers found the unarmed man, and one shot him when a Taser failed to stop him from approaching.

Within hours, investigators determined that the shooting had been excessive and charged the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officer with voluntary manslaughter in the death of former Florida A&M University football player Jonathan A. Ferrell.

Ferrell, 24, played for Florida A&M in 2009 and 2010, school officials said Sunday. He had recently moved to North Carolina.

Early Saturday, he had apparently been in a wreck and was seeking help at a nearby house, according to a statement from Charlotte-Mecklenburg police. A woman answered the door and, when she didn't recognize the man, called 911.

Officers responding to the breaking and entering call found Ferrell a short distance from the home, police said. As they approached him, Ferrell ran toward the officers, who tried to stop him with a Taser. Police said he continued to run toward them when officer Randall Kerrick fired his gun, hitting Ferrell several times. Ferrell died at the scene.

Police called Ferrell and Kerrick's initial encounter "appropriate and lawful." But in their statement late Saturday, they said "the investigation showed that the subsequent shooting of Mr. Ferrell was excessive" and "Kerrick did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon during this encounter."

Police said Kerrick was charged with voluntary manslaughter, which under North Carolina law involves killing without malice using "excessive force" in exercising "imperfect self-defense."


The amount of police brutality in this country is sickening, the only good thing is that the police officer who used excessive force was charged with voluntary manslaughter.

kylem1229
September 15th, 2013, 08:08 PM
Its hard to judge in this situation. Put yourself in the police officers footsteps. You have a huge man (since hes a football player) running at you. You yell at him, he didnt stop. The tazer didnt work. (At this point, you think the football player would stop and try to explain things). Then the gun comes out. Which is police protocol for anyone charging at you and does not stop.

The only thing that amazes me is that the player did not stop running at the officer when he was shot with a tazer. Police always yell to stop before tazing someone. This story confuses me because of this. Why didnt the player stop? Unless we are missing some information in this story.

conniption
September 15th, 2013, 09:13 PM
This is a really sticky situation to decipher. Still, it's sad to know an innocent man was killed when he was only seeking help.

Jess
September 15th, 2013, 09:26 PM
This is really sad. Maybe the reason he didn't stop was that he was in a bit of distress, seeing as he had been in a wreck. He was running towards the officers because he thought they could help. There was no need to take out a gun and shoot an innocent person when that person wasn't even armed; even if he was huge or whatever.

Sugaree
September 15th, 2013, 10:18 PM
inb4 Britishboy comes in and says it was justified because the police said so

conniption
September 15th, 2013, 10:21 PM
inb4 Britishboy comes in and says it was justified because the police said so

That's kinda mean.







lololol

Blood
September 16th, 2013, 12:59 AM
inb4 Britishboy comes in and says it was justified because the police said so

Hahahaha



Yea this is a sticky situation. I feel sorry for the families of both the player and officer.

britishboy
September 16th, 2013, 01:07 AM
that is what you get when you arm the.police like SAS, why do you have to do that? because a mass murderer has easy access to guns

Sugaree
September 16th, 2013, 01:13 AM
that is what you get when you arm the.police like SAS, why do you have to do that? because a mass murderer has easy access to guns

I don't get what you mean. He wasn't a mass murderer, he had no gun.

DerBear
September 16th, 2013, 06:51 AM
This doesn't surprise me one little bit...Americas answer to everything....shoot the guy.

LouBerry
September 16th, 2013, 06:58 AM
Well, am American and do live in the South, so I guess I'm just naturally crazy, but I would probably have done the same thing in the guys position. If there were others with me at least. I couldn't hurt someone to save my own life, but if I thought that he would endanger the people near me, I think I would.

thatcountrykid
September 16th, 2013, 08:03 PM
This is a really sticky situation to decipher. Still, it's sad to know an innocent man was killed when he was only seeking help.

This is really sad. Maybe the reason he didn't stop was that he was in a bit of distress, seeing as he had been in a wreck. He was running towards the officers because he thought they could help. There was no need to take out a gun and shoot an innocent person when that person wasn't even armed; even if he was huge or whatever.

I'm not bashing you guys or anything but people very often forget that police officers are faced with a threat every minute they are on duty. Like when i tell my dad i want to be a police officer like him he tells me that if i knew " how many guns would be pointed at you every time you stop at a light" i would give up that dream right now. The man could have very well been armed. Police will never take chances. One of my dads deputies had to shoot a man because the man spun around and a gun was in his hand as if like magic. That gun was cocked,locked, and ready to rock. That deputy was lucky he already had his gun out. The officer fired two rounds and the man was dead before he hit the ground. The officer was relieved for the night and put under investigation. He went home and asked his daughter how school was while he put his son to bed. Those kids could very well have lost their dad that night.

I guess the point of this whole thing is to say that police officers are people too, with families. There are some bad seeds but most all are amazing heroes.

conniption
September 16th, 2013, 08:08 PM
I'm not bashing you goys or anything but people very often forget that police officers are faced with a threat every minute they are on duty. Like when i tell my dad i want to be a police officer lime hime he tells me that i knew " how many gun would be pointed at you every time you stop at a light" i would give up that dream right now. The man could have very well been armed. Police will never take chances. On of my dads deputies had to shoot a man because the man spun around and a gun was in his hand as if like magic. That gun was cocked,locked, and ready to rock. That deputy was lick he already had his gun out. The officer fired two rounds and the man was dead before he hit the ground. The officer was relieved for the night and put under investigation. He went home and asked his daughter how school was while he put his son to bed. Those kid could very well have lost their dad that night.

I guess the point of this whole thing is to say that police officers are people too, with families. There are some bad seeds but most all are amazing heroes.

I didn't say it was anyone's fault. I understand that police officers have to constantly be cautious. The man was probably distraught and just wanted help immidietly and the police officer had no knowledge of that, so it's not anyone's else. I was simply saying that it was a very unfortunate thing to happen for the man killed and the policemen alike.

Jess
September 16th, 2013, 08:13 PM
I didn't say it was anyone's fault. I understand that police officers have to constantly be cautious. The man was probably distraught and just wanted help immidietly and the police officer had no knowledge of that, so it's not anyone's else. I was simply saying that it was a very unfortunate thing to happen for the man killed and the policemen alike.

Yes this. He was looking for help, he was in a wreck.

thatcountrykid
September 16th, 2013, 08:46 PM
This is really sad. Maybe the reason he didn't stop was that he was in a bit of distress, seeing as he had been in a wreck. He was running towards the officers because he thought they could help. There was no need to take out a gun and shoot an innocent person when that person wasn't even armed; even if he was huge or whatever.

Yes this. He was looking for help, he was in a wreck.

Is it unfortunate he had to die? Yes of course. Was there a need for the officer to fire? I would say yes. He was charging the officers who where un aware if he was armed or not. The taser did not stop him. The only other option, in my book, was lethal. He was ordered to stop. The best way to be heard in that case is to stop and tell them.

Walter Powers
September 16th, 2013, 11:24 PM
So? If the taser wouldn't work, a gun is they're only option. And they weren't sure if he was armed. I'm still not sure why you always seem to feel so much sympathy for these thugs. What about the officers that had to deal with him?

Southside
September 17th, 2013, 06:28 AM
So? If the taser wouldn't work, a gun is they're only option. And they weren't sure if he was armed. I'm still not sure why you always seem to feel so much sympathy for these thugs. What about the officers that had to deal with him?

A person looking for help after a car accident is a thug? I don't have any sympathy for trigger happy police men who kill innocent,unarmed civilians.

I also read that the man was shot 10 TIMES! That's not excessive force in your opinion?

laurakoller0815
September 17th, 2013, 06:56 AM
well in us there are many ppl die using of firearms. the police officer warned many times. i can understand that he was just defend his life. he cant really know how far the footballplayer would get. other cops would shot first before using the taser.....

thatcountrykid
September 17th, 2013, 07:26 AM
A person looking for help after a car accident is a thug? I don't have any sympathy for trigger happy police men who kill innocent,unarmed civilians.

I also read that the man was shot 10 TIMES! That's not excessive force in your opinion?

You cannot tell me that if you were in the same place you would not have done the same. People get the idea that officers run around killing people for fun. Believe me, it is the last thing they ever want to do. My dads deputy( mentioned in my first post) felt horrible know that the guy he killed had family and friends. Maybe a wife or a girlfriend. He felt horrible that they would never see that man again.

Walter Powers
September 17th, 2013, 08:38 AM
A person looking for help after a car accident is a thug? I don't have any sympathy for trigger happy police men who kill innocent,unarmed civilians.

I also read that the man was shot 10 TIMES! That's not excessive force in your opinion?

He was approaching and could be dangerous. He didn't stop when they asked.

Aren't you the guy that told me even perfect marksmen can only hit a target less then half the time?

deadpie
September 17th, 2013, 03:12 PM
Maybe he was running towards the officers because he believed they would possibly help him? Did he even get the time to explain? They probably saw him, immediately thought "gigantic nigger thug, trouble maker". Would not be surprised at all.. I feel bad for the guy obviously. You're traumatized, freaking out, just got in a car crash, begging for help, then when asking for help someone calls the cops on you freaking out, then the cops kill you! What the fuck! Officers of the law should have to use their brains more often. Not immediately feel like every situation is going to lead towards violence and the only solution is to shoot someone multiple times. Of course I blame the officer. I'm happy that he's getting what he deserves and not some bullshit slap on the wrist where he gets suspended and goes back to being a police officer a week later.

Woo hoo it's officially a debate about whether a guy who just got in a car crash deserved to be murdered by cops for seeking help.

You cannot tell me that if you were in the same place you would not have done the same. People get the idea that officers run around killing people for fun. Believe me, it is the last thing they ever want to do. My dads deputy( mentioned in my first post) felt horrible know that the guy he killed had family and friends. Maybe a wife or a girlfriend. He felt horrible that they would never see that man again.

Sure there's no doubt good cops out there that do their jobs. Although, every single cop I've come across in my city has been a complete douchebag. When I was living in Omaha there was even some crazy cops randomly beating the shit out of some guy for no apparent reason! It was all over the news and the community was embarrassed, along with the Sheriff. That is insane! There are batshit crazy cops out there. I remember being eight years old, my mom got pulled over for speeding five miles over the limit. I remember him actually saying, "Shut the fuck up, bitch" to her face. This cop was cursing and yelling at her. My mom was crying insanely and he was getting off on it! It was pretty messed up.

likemike
September 17th, 2013, 03:24 PM
Id say this may have been the result of stereotyping.

Southside
September 17th, 2013, 03:29 PM
You cannot tell me that if you were in the same place you would not have done the same. People get the idea that officers run around killing people for fun. Believe me, it is the last thing they ever want to do. My dads deputy( mentioned in my first post) felt horrible know that the guy he killed had family and friends. Maybe a wife or a girlfriend. He felt horrible that they would never see that man again.

Ok Mr Police Expert, do you believe showering a unarmed man with 10 bullets is excessive force?

Wait let me guess, that's normal police protocol right?

thatcountrykid
September 17th, 2013, 05:59 PM
Maybe he was running towards the officers because he believed they would possibly help him? Did he even get the time to explain? They probably saw him, immediately thought "gigantic nigger thug, trouble maker". Would not be surprised at all.. I feel bad for the guy obviously. You're traumatized, freaking out, just got in a car crash, begging for help, then when asking for help someone calls the cops on you freaking out, then the cops kill you! What the fuck! Officers of the law should have to use their brains more often. Not immediately feel like every situation is going to lead towards violence and the only solution is to shoot someone multiple times. Of course I blame the officer. I'm happy that he's getting what he deserves and not some bullshit slap on the wrist where he gets suspended and goes back to being a police officer a week later.

Woo hoo it's officially a debate about whether a guy who just got in a car crash deserved to be murdered by cops for seeking help.



Sure there's no doubt good cops out there that do their jobs. Although, every single cop I've come across in my city has been a complete douchebag. When I was living in Omaha there was even some crazy cops randomly beating the shit out of some guy for no apparent reason! It was all over the news and the community was embarrassed, along with the Sheriff. That is insane! There are batshit crazy cops out there. I remember being eight years old, my mom got pulled over for speeding five miles over the limit. I remember him actually saying, "Shut the fuck up, bitch" to her face. This cop was cursing and yelling at her. My mom was crying insanely and he was getting off on it! It was pretty messed up.

The reason OFFICERS go in expecting violence is because every situation can turn violent. Believe it or not cops arent there to serve you. They are there to enforce the law. Peoe will hate the cops just because they dont wat to get into trouble.

Ok Mr Police Expert, do you believe showering a unarmed man with 10 bullets is excessive force?

Wait let me guess, that's normal police protocol right?

I never said i was police expert. I would say no its not excessive force. They had no way of knowing if he was armed or not. Believe it or not, officers cant sense guns or knives. read my post about the officer that had to kill a man. He should have know when they SHOT HIM WITH THE TAZER that he was supposed to stop. He kept charging and didnt stop. You dont have to be armed to be a threat.

Also you never answered my question. Can you honestly say you wouldnt have done the same?

Southside
September 17th, 2013, 08:00 PM
The reason OFFICERS go in expecting violence is because every situation can turn violent. Believe it or not cops arent there to serve you. They are there to enforce the law. Peoe will hate the cops just because they dont wat to get into trouble.



I never said i was police expert. I would say no its not excessive force. They had no way of knowing if he was armed or not. Believe it or not, officers cant sense guns or knives. read my post about the officer that had to kill a man. He should have know when they SHOT HIM WITH THE TAZER that he was supposed to stop. He kept charging and didnt stop. You dont have to be armed to be a threat.

Also you never answered my question. Can you honestly say you wouldnt have done the same?

How is it not excessive force? Your telling me it takes 10 bullets to kill a man? I could see 2 maybe 3 shots if the officer thought he was in that much "danger", but 10 shots is fucking ridiculous.


If I were a cop in this situation, considering the situation took place at 2AM in the morning, I would have waited for the man to get closer so I could see him. I probably would have shot the man ONCE OR TWICE, not TEN TIMES. Maybe the cop was in good judgment to shoot the man but the part that I am most angry about is the excessive force. I will say this again, you don't need 10 shots to take down a man.

People will hate the cops because of stories like these when innocent people die at the hands of trigger happy policemen

thatcountrykid
September 17th, 2013, 08:14 PM
How is it not excessive force? Your telling me it takes 10 bullets to kill a man? I could see 2 maybe 3 shots if the officer thought he was in that much "danger", but 10 shots is fucking ridiculous.


If I were a cop in this situation, considering the situation took place at 2AM in the morning, I would have waited for the man to get closer so I could see him. I probably would have shot the man ONCE OR TWICE, not TEN TIMES. Maybe the cop was in good judgment to shoot the man but the part that I am most angry about is the excessive force. I will say this again, you don't need 10 shots to take down a man.

People will hate the cops because of stories like these when innocent people die at the hands of trigger happy policemen

Im sorry but i think you will find any reason to hate the officers. You cant trust the news. They are so twisted, they will do anything for a story.

It would make no difference if it was three shots or ten. When an officer fires their weapon its to kill. I'm sure they could see him if they tazed him. He should have taken being tazed as a hint to stop, shut up, and get on the ground.

I have met so many people that hate cops just because they got a twenty dollar tickett.

Southside
September 17th, 2013, 08:22 PM
Im sorry but i think you will find any reason to hate the officers. You cant trust the news. They are so twisted, they will do anything for a story.

It would make no difference if it was three shots or ten. When an officer fires their weapon its to kill. I'm sure they could see him if they tazed him. He should have taken being tazed as a hint to stop, shut up, and get on the ground.

I have met so many people that hate cops just because they got a twenty dollar tickett.

He was just in a accident, what if this young man was possibly impaired? Your going to make a accident victim that just drove his car off an embankment get on the ground when he can possibly be injured?


Like I've said to you a few times in the past, I know not all policemen are bad, my godmother is one, I had a teacher who really helped me during a rough part of my childhood who was a policemen. All I'm saying is the amount of corrupt policemen or "bad seeds" as you say, is ridiculous.

We don't know if the tazer missed or malfunctioned,

teen.jpg
September 17th, 2013, 08:32 PM
So? If the taser wouldn't work, a gun is they're only option. And they weren't sure if he was armed. I'm still not sure why you always seem to feel so much sympathy for these thugs. What about the officers that had to deal with him?

How is he a thug?

thatcountrykid
September 17th, 2013, 08:32 PM
He was just in a accident, what if this young man was possibly impaired? Your going to make a accident victim that just drove his car off an embankment get on the ground when he can possibly be injured?


Like I've said to you a few times in the past, I know not all policemen are bad, my godmother is one, I had a teacher who really helped me during a rough part of my childhood who was a policemen. All I'm saying is the amount of corrupt policemen or "bad seeds" as you say, is ridiculous.

We don't know if the tazer missed or malfunctioned,

Well first off id like to point out that the article never said he was shot 10 times.

Second, if he was able to crawl out of the car, walk a half mile, bang on doors, and run at officers, he can lay down on the ground.

Third, if the tazer did malfunction or miss, that is even more reason for deadly force.

Lastly it sure doesnt sound lime you hate only the " corrupt officers "

Southside
September 17th, 2013, 08:42 PM
Well first off id like to point out that the article never said he was shot 10 times.

Second, if he was able to crawl out of the car, walk a half mile, bang on doors, and run at officers, he can lay down on the ground.

Third, if the tazer did malfunction or miss, that is even more reason for deadly force.

Lastly it sure doesnt sound lime you hate only the " corrupt officers "

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/16/20530870-police-cop-shot-unarmed-man-in-charlotte-10-times?lite

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20130917/NEWS01/309170007/Officer-fired-12-times-Ferrell-shooting

http://q13fox.com/2013/09/16/police-cop-shot-unarmed-man-10-times/

Police fired 12 shots, 10 hitting Mr. Ferrell

Put yourself in this mans situation, you just got in a auto wreck, your distraught and just looking for help. The man was probably panicking, in shock.

thatcountrykid
September 17th, 2013, 08:51 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/16/20530870-police-cop-shot-unarmed-man-in-charlotte-10-times?lite

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20130917/NEWS01/309170007/Officer-fired-12-times-Ferrell-shooting

http://q13fox.com/2013/09/16/police-cop-shot-unarmed-man-10-times/

Police fired 12 shots, 10 hitting Mr. Ferrell

Put yourself in this mans situation, you just got in a auto wreck, your distraught and just looking for help. The man was probably panicking, in shock.

Ok so the did fire 10 shots. But like i said before, it should be pretty clear to anyone that if the police yell at you to stop with guns and tazers out, and then SHOOT YOU WITH THE TAZER, it probaly a good i dea to listen.

Can you honestly say that you would take being tazed as an invite to keep on coming.

conniption
September 17th, 2013, 09:27 PM
Ok so the did fire 10 shots. But like i said before, it should be pretty clear to anyone that if the police yell at you to stop with guns and tazers out, and then SHOOT YOU WITH THE TAZER, it probaly a good i dea to listen.

Can you honestly say that you would take being tazed as an invite to keep on coming.

It should also be clear that the man was most likely in shock and wasn't totally aware of what was going on. He wanted help and that's all that was on his mind, I'm sure he wouldn't have kept on walking towards armed police officers if he weren't so out of it. The man needed help, the police officers didn't know this, and they fired way too many times. Note that I'm not bringing the whole fucking US police force into this, I'm talking about the police officers involved and only them.

TheBigUnit
September 17th, 2013, 10:15 PM
Ok so the did fire 10 shots. But like i said before, it should be pretty clear to anyone that if the police yell at you to stop with guns and tazers out, and then SHOOT YOU WITH THE TAZER, it probaly a good i dea to listen.

Can you honestly say that you would take being tazed as an invite to keep on coming.

10 shots is a bit of an overkill this isnt the Walking Dead

thatcountrykid
September 17th, 2013, 11:33 PM
It should also be clear that the man was most likely in shock and wasn't totally aware of what was going on. He wanted help and that's all that was on his mind, I'm sure he wouldn't have kept on walking towards armed police officers if he weren't so out of it. The man needed help, the police officers didn't know this, and they fired way too many times. Note that I'm not bringing the whole fucking US police force into this, I'm talking about the police officers involved and only them.

He was in a car wreck. Nothing more nothing less. Even if he was in shock, and i cant believe i have to repeat this so many times, GETTING SHOT WITH A TAZER MEANS STOP!!!!!TOO ANYONE!!!! When officers fire guns its to kill. You fire till they are dead that may sound crude and mean but thats what happens. I dont see whh people make a whole big argument about this but never when officers are killed.

10 shots is a bit of an overkill this isnt the Walking Dead

Im sorry but the walking dead is completly irrelevant right now. Like i said before, when officers shoot, it is to kill.

Southside
September 18th, 2013, 12:08 AM
He was in a car wreck. Nothing more nothing less. Even if he was in shock, and i cant believe i have to repeat this so many times, GETTING SHOT WITH A TAZER MEANS STOP!!!!!TOO ANYONE!!!! When officers fire guns its to kill. You fire till they are dead that may sound crude and mean but thats what happens. I dont see whh people make a whole big argument about this but never when officers are killed.



Im sorry but the walking dead is completly irrelevant right now. Like i said before, when officers shoot, it is to kill.

So your telling me it takes 10 shots to kill a person? The officer was trigger happy even if he was in fear for his life.

The police officer used excessive force, which is why he is currently being charged with voluntary manslaughter. I'm at least satisfied that our justice system came through for Mr. Ferrell

thatcountrykid
September 18th, 2013, 12:16 AM
So your telling me it takes 10 shots to kill a person?

The police officer used excessive force, which is why he is currently being charged with voluntary manslaughter. I'm at least satisfied that our justice system came through for Mr. Ferrell

The point is the man would be dead whether 1 shot or 10. Have you gouys even thought of the officer? Of how he must feel knowing that he killed a man? No, which is why i say that people will hate cops just to hate them.

Southside
September 18th, 2013, 12:20 AM
The point is the man would be dead whether 1 shot or 10. Have you gouys even thought of the officer? Of how he must feel knowing that he killed a man? No, which is why i say that people will hate cops just to hate them.

Yes I have thought about the officer, he has to live with the fact that due to his trigger happiness and poor judgment of the situation, he ended a innocent life.

You still haven't answered my question, does it take 10 shots to kill a man?

Horizon
September 18th, 2013, 12:24 AM
You know, considering the circumstances, it's really hard for myself to place a firm judgement?

It's not like the cops had any idea he was in the accident
but he must have had some sort of injurt indicating it anyways

Either way, 10 shots is excessive, and he killed a man in what was probably racial profiling, so meaning ignorance.

I can't say 100% that he shot the man because he was black, but would he have shot if the man was white? Highly unlikely.

Because a lot of people associate black with bad, not good, etc. Because of stereotypes. It can be very likely that he did shoot the man because he was black, not just because he was running at him.

Besides, how fast can a man who was just in an accident run? My sister was in an accident, she drove into a ditch because she passed out while driving. When she awoke, she was dazed, confused, so she got out of the car and started walking home, she had no idea what was going on. But her crash wasn't that bad, it was a hot day, and she didn't eat or drink enough food, reasons for her being dazed, apart from impact shock.

This man probably had a worse accident, so he must have been more dazed, reasoning as to why he went to a strangers door to try and get help because he himself had no idea of what was going on.

And the lady, well. What lady wouldn't call the police if a large man was knocking at her door. I think she did a good thing by calling the cops, even though it went far south. The cops could have helped the man, and gotten him to a hospital, and emergency care for the others in the wreck. But instead, the man was running at them, and instead of taking him down via getting him on the ground and cuffing, one of them shot him ten times.

That to me is WAY over kill, and the officer got what he deserved. There is no way that you convince me that the officer was in the right. I don't really know anything about police systems and how they train, but I do know a thing or two about humanity, and that was inhumane as fuck.

thatcountrykid
September 18th, 2013, 12:30 AM
Yes I have thought about the officer, he has to live with the fact that due to his trigger happiness and poor judgment of the situation, he ended a innocent life.

You still haven't answered my question, does it take 10 shots to kill a man?

Og my god! Really!?! No the reason he fired was because of fear for his life. Officers dont want to kill people. There was on time that my father almost had to shoot a man who was reaching for a flask that looked like a gun. The only reason he didnt shoot him was because his partner reached in the car. My father was stressed about that for days because e almost had to kill a man. He wasnt "trigger happy" or using "poor judgment". The only reason the officer shot was because he was in fear for his and his partners life.

And even if there was some fault on the officers side, it is a two way street. That man was at fault to.

Also, i did answer your question. Whether 1 bullet or 10, the man was dead.

deadpie
September 18th, 2013, 12:47 AM
Reading these posts I've finally decided after six years of debating this thought in my head we live in the most simplistic black and white world ever, where it's an either this or that argument. Yes or no. Left or right wing. Fuck this or fuck that. I'm right / You're wrong. No wonder I stopped for an entire year debating... This post has nothing to do with the thread really, technically this post is spam, but fuck off because everyone spams. Just felt like saying it.

TheBigUnit
September 18th, 2013, 08:52 AM
Im sorry but the walking dead is completly irrelevant right now. Like i said before, when officers shoot, it is to kill.

you kill a bear with 10 shots not a human,

thatcountrykid
September 18th, 2013, 10:57 AM
you kill a bear with 10 shots not a human,

Like i said. They shoot to kill. One shot or 10, it makes no differsnce. The point is he's dead.

Sugaree
September 18th, 2013, 11:09 AM
Like i said. They shoot to kill. One shot or 10, it makes no differsnce. The point is he's dead.

The fact that you're actually justifying excessive force by a police officer only goes to show how much of a weakling you are.

"Yes officer, you can shoot me however many times you want!"

"Yes officer, you can beat me for however long you like!"

"As long as it means you're doing the job right!"

If you shoot to kill, and by all means, when officers are trained to shoot to kill, they aren't taught to shoot at a suspect 10 fucking times, they're taught to take a certain amount of shots because of situations like this. Now, if he had taken, say, three shots instead of ten, or maybe even two, and still ended up killing him, I could see where this might have been justifiable to some degree. Sure, the guy is still dead, but ten shots? No, that's way too many for me to believe.

thatcountrykid
September 18th, 2013, 11:21 AM
The fact that you're actually justifying excessive force by a police officer only goes to show how much of a weakling you are.

"Yes officer, you can shoot me however many times you want!"

"Yes officer, you can beat me for however long you like!"

"As long as it means you're doing the job right!"

If you shoot to kill, and by all means, when officers are trained to shoot to kill, they aren't taught to shoot at a suspect 10 fucking times, they're taught to take a certain amount of shots because of situations like this. Now, if he had taken, say, three shots instead of ten, or maybe even two, and still ended up killing him, I could see where this might have been justifiable to some degree. Sure, the guy is still dead, but ten shots? No, that's way too many for me to believe.

You dont even know me and the only reason you say this to me is because your in front of a screen and not me.

Im assuming you dont have much knowledge of the police training system so again i say. They are taught to shoot and kill. The only reason they tell them to use double tap is to save ammo and so people dont freak out like this.

And if it comes to the case that officers have to take me down or shoot me. Its probaly because i caused it and thats fine with me.

Officers shoot to protect themselves and others. Theyre main goal is to get home to their family at the end of the day. It really bother me how people hate officers who would gladly lay down their lives, to save some one who hates them, without a second thought.