New Snowden Leak Reveals Secret $52.6 Billion Budget for Intelligence Agencies

[Castle of Glass]

http://intellihub.com/2013/08/30/new-snowden-leak-reveals-secret-52-6-billion-budget-intelligence-agencies/


so that is where all the money is going

[Mynick]

Uhm i wonder why i am not suprised.

[HUSTLEMAN]

If they have that much money held in their secret bank accounts why were they so worried about a little budget cut? Nonsense.

[britishboy]

they need to get rid of that Snowdon nerd fast

[Cygnus]

Just as I expected, well done Snowden!

[Silicate Wielder]

Damn, No wonder we're going bankrupt here in the U.S

[Southside]

Snowden=Hero of the American Public

[Walter Powers]

All the America haters seem thrilled.

Okay some of what he has put out would make him a hero, but now he's hurting us more then helping us. This here, for example, was classified for important reasons. It has nothing to do with my fourth amendment rights. Edward Snowden is a traitor, plain and simple, and should be committed of treason and thrown in jail for decades. Technically he can be given the death sentence. People will die because of what he's done.

[Southside]

All the America haters seem thrilled.

Okay some of what he has put out would make him a hero, but now he's hurting us more then helping us. This here, for example, was classified for important reasons. It has nothing to do with my fourth amendment rights. Edward Snowden is a traitor, plain and simple, and should be committed of treason and thrown in jail for decades. Technically he can be given the death sentence. People will die because of what he's done.

He's a traitor for telling the American public that our own government is spying behind our backs? Hes a traitor for telling how we are spending billions to spy on our own innocent civilians? Also, how are people going to die because of the information that was leaked?

The real "traitor" in this situation is our own damn government.

[britishboy]

He's a traitor for telling the American public that our own government is spying behind our backs? Hes a traitor for telling how we are spending billions to spy on our own innocent civilians? Also, how are people going to die because of the information that was leaked?

The real "traitor" in this situation is our own damn government.

do you really think people are scrolling through your Twitter? no. only if they have a interest in you

people will die because of his actions, spying is always secret, thats the point

[Kameraden]

Snowden needs to be shot -- that's that.

[britishboy]

Snowden needs to be shot -- that's that.

the sooner the better, lose lips sink ships!

[Outside The Box]

He's a traitor for telling the American public that our own government is spying behind our backs? Hes a traitor for telling how we are spending billions to spy on our own innocent civilians? Also, how are people going to die because of the information that was leaked?

The real "traitor" in this situation is our own damn government.

Your 100% right. Its great to know that some people can think for themselves and repeat the propaganda and lies that come out of Washington

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[britishboy]

Your 100% right. Its great to know that some people can think for themselves and repeat the propaganda and lies that come out of Washington

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people will die because of that traitor, who has no authority to decide national security, he committed treason

[Sugaree]

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people will die because of that traitor, who has no authority to decide national security, he committed treason

Yes, let us continue to have a government that is so paranoid that it spies on its own citizens, gives that data over to other nations, and acts like it's no big deal. Keep your damn slogans, they won't save you.

[britishboy]

Yes, let us continue to have a government that is so paranoid that it spies on its own citizens, gives that data over to other nations, and acts like it's no big deal. Keep your damn slogans, they won't save you.

they gave it to the UK, the UK gave stuff to the US, we're both allies in the war against terror

save me from what? planes flying into my skull? no the NSA is protecting me there

both sides of this debate agree, many people will die because of his treason

and LOL! you really think the government is that interested on your Twitter feed? they don't care! only If your doing something illegal such as terrorism or pedophilia, trust me if they have to analyse everyone, they're the real victims:P

[Mynick]

Let me just say, i fully support what Edward did but i think there are some things that'll hurt more than do good. Like Julian Assange he could had done things a bit better.

and LOL! you really think the government is that interested on your Twitter feed? they don't care! only If your doing something illegal such as terrorism or pedophilia, trust me if they have to analyse everyone, they're the real victims:P
The point is they are breaking your privacy, just because you are in the Internet that doesn't mean you dont need to have privacy. What pisses me off the most is that they are paid to write 0 days and hack, if i do with without 'protection' i would be arrested.

[Sugaree]

they gave it to the UK, the UK gave stuff to the US, we're both allies in the war against terror

save me from what? planes flying into my skull? no the NSA is protecting me there

both sides of this debate agree, many people will die because of his treason

and LOL! you really think the government is that interested on your Twitter feed? they don't care! only If your doing something illegal such as terrorism or pedophilia, trust me if they have to analyse everyone, they're the real victims:P

You are nothing more than a fool. If I were to go and acquiesce every single bit of personal information you've ever put onto the internet - email addresses, credit card information, social security information, and the like - I would be arrested for it. But, according to YOU, if the government does it to all citizens, regardless if they're doing anything wrong, it's right.

I don't get this statist logic running through your mind. If it is illegal for the citizen to do, why is it all of a sudden OK for a government to do? Yes, of course the wrongdoers need to be worried. But there are plenty of other ways they can bypass security measures. Again, you're looking at things from a black-or-white perspective without seeing the full spectrum. Before you know it, the government might start going through every bit of mail or written communication because of "terrorism".

You're going to let the actions of a few dictate what happens to the many. I don't agree with that.

[britishboy]

You are nothing more than a fool. If I were to go and acquiesce every single bit of personal information you've ever put onto the internet - email addresses, credit card information, social security information, and the like - I would be arrested for it. But, according to YOU, if the government does it to all citizens, regardless if they're doing anything wrong, it's right.

the government is not interested in you! they don't care about none of that! it does not to it to all citizens and it's classified for obvious reasons


I don't get this statist logic running through your mind. If it is illegal for the citizen to do, why is it all of a sudden OK for a government to do? Yes, of course the wrongdoers need to be worried. But there are plenty of other ways they can bypass security measures. Again, you're looking at things from a black-or-white perspective without seeing the full spectrum. Before you know it, the government might start going through every bit of mail or written communication because of "terrorism".

because unless you want vigilante justice the state must do it

why would it waste resources for no reason?


You're going to let the actions of a few dictate what happens to the many. I don't agree with that.

trust me I visit Australia a lot, I hate the airport security there beause of terrorism but it's the lesser of 2 evils! do you want the international embarrassment and horror of another 9/11? Boston bombings?

[Emerald Dream]

Since this is turning more into a debate...I will move it over here.

VT Daily Chronicle :arrow: Ramblings of the Wise

[Sugaree]

the government is not interested in you! they don't care about none of that! it does not to it to all citizens and it's classified for obvious reasons

Unlike you, I don't believe everything the government tries to spoon feed to me. Nice try.


because unless you want vigilante justice the state must do it

why would it waste resources for no reason?

It's not a matter of wanting vigilante justice. Of course the state has the responsibility of keeping its citizens safe. However, intruding upon their personal and/or private matters is none of the state's concern. Why are phone calls from people not on the terrorist watch list stored? Why are emails kept that are not from people on the watch list? You can't monitor everyone just because there's a few people out there. You monitor the few, not the many.

trust me I visit Australia a lot, I hate the airport security there beause of terrorism but it's the lesser of 2 evils! do you want the international embarrassment and horror of another 9/11? Boston bombings?

Just because something is a lesser evil doesn't automatically make it good. Evil is evil.

9/11 was also not just caused by lack of security, it was after two decades of US interference in the Middle East where we had no business to interfere. After the Iran Hostage Crisis, we should have just stayed out of the Middle East and the surrounding territory. Instead, we decided to engage in the Gulf War, bomb Kosovo, and try to instill OUR value system into an incompatible machine. The Boston Bombings were domestic terrorism, which is on a totally different level than foreign terrorism. Learn before you speak, please.

[britishboy]

The Boston Bombings were domestic terrorism, which is on a totally different level than foreign terrorism.

really it dosest matter why they're trying to blow you up, there still is people blowing people up!

[Emerald Dream]

Let's try to stay on topic please and actually debate if this is here in ROTW. You can take the personal stuff to PM.

[sqishy]

Well I never trust the higher-ups anyways. So I'm not really surprised. It was like when the Pentagon said there was at least 1.2 trillion dollars unaccounted for on 10th September 2001.

[EddietheZombie]

Im glad Snowden said something. He also showed that we were spying on our own allies and us! The government needs to tell us when they use OUR taxes for something. The US government charged him with giving intel to the enemy. Are our allies the enemy? Are we the enemy? And why does everyone think they have a few million agents looking at our Twitter and Facebook feed? Its all computer automated. The computer finds key words in a sentence like gun, bomb, terrorist, Allah, planes, ect. and it documents them for a few agents to read and judge whether its of importance or not. And this really is a matter of freedom of speech or not because a person decides if what you say makes you a suspect. If the KKK or Neo Nazis can have a parade and not be suspects, why cant i use words like gun in a sentence without being suspected as a terrorist? Snowden is the only one that wasnt brainwashed and had balls to speak up against the corruption and know it was wrong. If the US gets him he would probably die in prison under "Mysterious Circumstances". The real terrorists are the ones in office.

An Obama-Nation is an Abomination.

[Hyper]

If you read the ''uncovered'' parts of US covert operations history you would know there has been some sort of ''secret budgets'' for ''top secret'' projects since the 40s/50s and probably even before...

Also nobody will fucking die because of him leaking something that is god damn obvious and known to other intelligence agencies anyway, maybe not exactly but certainly quite accurately estimated. + I am sure there are more secret budgets for seperate research projects and other things that are way above Snowdens former paygrade or ''need to know''.

The real issue Eddie touched in his post.

Is security worth loss of liberty? My answer is no and no for many reasons. But a lot of people, I suspect, perhaps half of us if not even a majority are willing to give up a portion of liberty for a portion of security. To me that is short sighted thinking that could and will lead to horrifying results in society.

Also.



An Obama-Nation is an Abomination.

Wtf does Obama have to do with this now? Does he alone decide how the budget is used and what deserves a secret budget or not?

[EddietheZombie]

Wtf does Obama have to do with this now? Does he alone decide how the budget is used and what deserves a secret budget or not?
Maybe yes, maybe no. He is the Commander and Chief(Or as i know him Scammer and Chief) so it wouldnt surprise me that he would have Snowden killed or start a war because of his own ignorance. I put that on some of my posts because its true. It may not be in his control, but he can stop anyone below him so it is still partially his fault. Eric Holder was the one that had the phone company(Verizon?) leak the phone records of some reporters to the CIA after a bad interview with Obama.

"People that give up liberty for a little security deserve neither and lose both." Benjamin Frankelin
Not a direct quote, im writing it from memory.

Edit: If there are any misspellings, im sorry spelling is not my strong suit and im tired.

[karl]

I thought I'd add this: Karl

Edward Snowden has raised 'real issues', says head of UK spy watchdog

The head of the watchdog responsible for scrutinising Britain's intelligence agencies has defended their spying techniques but admitted that the whistleblower Edward Snowden has raised "real issues" about safeguarding privacy in the 21st century.

Sir Malcolm Rifkind argued that the UK had an "effective and extensive system of independent oversight" of the three services – GCHQ, MI5 and MI6.

He also claimed people were "well aware British intelligence agencies have neither the time nor the remotest interest in the emails or telephone conversations of well over 99% of the population".

However, he appeared to concede that the laws governing the agencies may need to be refreshed in the light of revelations about the intelligence-gathering programmes run by GCHQ and its US counterpart, the National Security Agency.

"There are real issues that do arise out of the Snowden affair in Britain, as elsewhere," said Rifkind, who chairs the parliamentary intelligence and security committee (ISC).

Full story here: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/20/edward-snowden-uk-spy-watchdog

[Edgarr]

WELL. probably the whole Snow-Den thing is a scam thingy.

If i would organise a secret agency, i would probably have some individuals watching over others, while this fact is known the individuals watching over each employee are not known and can be changed shifted, according to how the single controller originally intended it, or maybe based on agreement over an open source closed data automatic system for this purpose.

consider that there are work areas for thes secret things. One would be in office/offices caring about technologies to implement.. there they are basicly locked in their own country, and someone else is watching them wich is changing over time.. not a chance that Snowden would be alone in His efforts as every single Action of His was watched, He was allegedly caring about technology things.

Another work area is to visit other countries or similar. There they may or may not use obvious communication methods. They might be decoys or those observing others and passing on information in a secret way. Obviously such an inflitration can be countered by the enemy/observed country for example, by utilizing encrypted unique identifiers, and having some strict laws for visitors. At any rate, if someone is visiting another country, this person might just stop and stay there, but those visiting countries care not about technology specifics in the spy organization. Thus if its true to an extent, Snowden visited another country and then turned to someone else. This is not much likely so its made up, they want to manipulate or communicate something [makes u think about something ]. Also they are conveying messages.. but also they are manipulating others. Media also do manipulate individuals, the secret services (or whatever) and media are mostly hand in hand. Of course not everything is verified.. and so on and so on.

There is also an employee who does remote survaivalance shifts.