Do you agree with this statement?

[James Bond]

When same-sex marriage proponents first began advocating for it, they argued that if you weren’t gay, it wouldn’t affect you in the least. What ever happened to that?….As more and more states legalize same-sex marriage, the argument that if you don’t agree, it won’t affect you is no longer operational. Oregon passed a same-sex marriage constitutional amendment, but failed to include an exception for religious beliefs. A bakery in Willamette called Sweet Cakes by Melissa turned down a job catering a lesbian wedding. The owner said he has nothing against gay people, but same-sex marriage is just against his religious beliefs. Any number of bakeries would have taken the job, but the couple filed a discrimination complaint. Now, the bakery has been so put upon, they’ve closed up shop and are becoming a home business. All because the right to same-sex marriage apparently trumps the First Amendment right to freedom of religion. Do we really want to enforce tolerance by being intolerant?

Someone on Facebook reposted this. What's your thoughts on it? I actually agree with it. It was such ashame that they filed a report that got this business shut down, it really is, just because of what the owner believed in. This is the reason why I worry for churches, what's next? Someone's gonna file complaints at churches for not wedding a gay couple? There are many people out there who are alright with homosexuality, but do not agree with gay marriage and that's perfectly fine. Anyone is allowed to believe what they want, and they shouldn't be labeled as "intolerant" or "judge mental" for it. My opinion, is both sides are hypocrites in their own ways, both LGBTers and Christians.

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Ooh, very controversial. It's definitely hypocritical of LGBTs to call others intolerant because they do not share the same beliefs. But, there will always be hypocrisy and conflict between groups of people that have opposing beliefs and ideals, especially with relatively new movements that are steadily gaining momentum and favor.

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I don't think your beliefs should hold anything to somebody's rights. That is all I'm going to say.

[James Bond]

I don't think your beliefs should hold anything to somebody's rights. That is all I'm going to say.

Are you saying that it was right for the business owner to deny that couple service for their marriage or it was wrong? It wasn't the couples right to have a cake, and it was going against the business owners beliefs.

It's not like the business owner denied service to anyone apart of LGBT, they just denied the service of an LGBT marriage. That service isn't a right.

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I don't think your beliefs should hold anything to somebody's rights. That is all I'm going to say.

Good point. It is illegal for a business owner to turn away customer because of their race, nationality, religious preference, etc.

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Are you saying that it was right for the business owner to deny that couple service for their marriage or it was wrong? It wasn't the couples right to have a cake, and it was going against the business owners beliefs.

It's not like the business owner denied service to anyone apart of LGBT, they just denied the service of an LGBT marriage. That service isn't a right.

I didn't say that because of the situation you stated, I was just saying my general opinion because I know where this thread is going to lead.

Sure, you can't force them to serve for their marriage, but it's still wrong.

You're delivering cake to a wedding, that's your job. I don't see how who's getting married matters in the slightest.

People need to get over themselves.

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Looking at it as a hypothetical, what if it was a Jewish or Muslim catering service and the couple wanted pork, and that catering service said they couldn't do that because eating pork was against their religion? Should the couple sue the catering service for refusing to make something with pork in it?

[James Bond]

Good point. It is illegal for a business owner to turn away customer because of their race, nationality, religious preference, etc.

Wouldn't it kinda go against freedom to practice any religion? Rabbi's don't have to serve in the military cause it goes agains their beliefs. Any religion that says you can't use violence will excuse you from joining the military in the case of a draft. So wouldn't the same principle apply?


Looking at it as a hypothetical, what if it was a Jewish or Muslim catering service and the couple wanted pork, and that catering service said they couldn't do that because eating pork was against their religion? Should the couple sue the catering service for refusing to make something with pork in it?
No they shouldn't sue. They should just go find another place that will, instead of being immature.


I didn't say that because of the situation you stated, I was just saying my general opinion because I know where this thread is going to lead.

Sure, you can't force them to serve for their marriage, but it's still wrong.

You're delivering cake to a wedding, that's your job. I don't see how who's getting married matters in the slightest.

People need to get over themselves.
That couple should've gotten over themselves, they were being Immature by filing a complaint, especially when there's hundreds more places that will cater to what they want.

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Wouldn't it kinda go against freedom to practice any religion? Rabbi's don't have to serve in the military cause it goes agains their beliefs. Any religion that says you can't use violence will excuse you from joining the military in the case of a draft. So wouldn't the same principle apply?



No they shouldn't sue. They should just go find another place that will, instead of being immature.



That couple should've gotten over themselves, they were being Immature by filing a complaint, especially when there's hundreds more places that will cater to what they want.

No, if I want catering, I should be able to go to a catering place to get catering and not be denied because of the person I'm marrying. That's ridiculous.

[Sir Suomi]

I'll agree with you. I'm the same way, in a manner. I don't mind homosexuals, and if they want to get married, I suppose I'm fine with it, I just don't want them parading around with it, you know? And the same goes with everything else. I mean, dude, I get you're a christian, but do you have to go around yelling at us that if we don't do so and so we're going to face eternal damnation?

But anyways, I'd say the Bakery was right, that it was their right to refuse service. The couple could have easily gone to another bakery.

[Luminous]

When I get married I don't want to be denied by a bakery, but if I was, I would just go to a different bakery. I would respect their beliefs. Yes, I know discrimination is wrong and illegal, but still. The couple was being immature. Too sensitive about their sexuality, and making a big deal about a little thing. It doesn't even sound like the owner was rude about it. Why would he want to do a service for someone he doesn't want to?

[James Bond]

I'll agree with you. I'm the same way, in a manner. I don't mind homosexuals, and if they want to get married, I suppose I'm fine with it, I just don't want them parading around with it, you know? And the same goes with everything else. I mean, dude, I get you're a christian, but do you have to go around yelling at us that if we don't do so and so we're going to face eternal damnation?

But anyways, I'd say the Bakery was right, that it was their right to refuse service. The couple could have easily gone to another bakery.

Holy fuck! Yes! I agree!

It gets so tiring seeing people wave their rainbow flag. Don't be proud of your sexuality, it's nothing to be proud of. I'm not proud to be bi/straight/maybe both? so don't be proud to be gay. If I were bi, I wouldn't participate in LGBT what so ever.

[LouBerry]

Why is this so hard to understand. If you're LGBT, be what you are. If you're a Christian, be who you are. There is no reason that Christians should have to accept gay marriage if it's against their beliefs. Just like there is no reason for a Christian to judge or harp on someone for being gay.

I'm a Christian, and I'm not trying to force someone into being straight, so I really wouldn't appreciate someone trying to force me/my church to do something that I'm not comfortable with.

Separation of church and state goes both ways. Individual religion has no place in politics, and politics have no place in individual religion.

If both sides keep fighting one another, shits going to hit the fan.

[sqishy]

I think the couple is in the wrong here. If the lesbian couple had a problem with the bakery not catering for them due to their sexuality, then they should have gone somewhere else, and not make a complaint and therefore a big fuss about it. Yes, there's discrimination, but it's not causing harm of any degree more than a couple getting insulted. Insults are a part of life, and there will be more when you are in the minority. We keep going.