Best leader for Britain

[Yolo98]

So, many of you on this forum arent from Britain but id just like to put a poll out there asking you which leader would you like to lead the country from 2015 onwards. You dont have to be British to answer , international input is fine.
Please discuss your choice as well.

[Harry Smith]

Who ever voted for Nigel Farage needs to get out of Britain Fruit cakes, loonies and closet racists wasn't it?

I don't know how you can support a party which only has one policy- and that policy has more holes than golf course

I wanted to vote for David Miliband because he's about 100 times better than any of the crap we have at the moment, but since he lost the leadership challenge I'm going to give the reins to Ed

[saea97]

Cameron is fine for me. The economy looks on the mend and he championed equal marriage until its legalisation. Also, it's probably in the best interests of my family over Labour's economic policies, although I won't pretend to be an expert.

Moreover, after Miliband's (David would have been better) cowardly approach to Syria, I'm certainly not interested in using my future vote on Labour any more.

[Yolo98]

Who ever voted for Nigel Farage needs to get out of Britain Fruit cakes, loonies and closet racists wasn't it?

I don't know how you can support a party which only has one policy- and that policy has more holes than golf course

I wanted to vote for David Miliband because he's about 100 times better than any of the crap we have at the moment, but since he lost the leadership challenge I'm going to give the reins to Ed

Well Davids gone off to New York, and only his brothers left. Only someone with short memory loss would vote for him and his party again , he is totally useless and incapable. I voted for Farage as i think he would offer strong leadership for hard times , but i dont mind Cameron , even if hes a tory toff.

[Harry Smith]

Cameron is fine for me. The economy looks on the mend and he championed equal marriage until its legalisation. Also, it's probably in the best interests of my family over Labour's economic policies, although I won't pretend to be an expert.

Moreover, after Miliband's (David would have been better) cowardly approach to Syria, I'm certainly not interested in using my future vote on Labour any more.

Cowardly? How is it cowardly to ask for more evidence. Everyone bashed labour for going into Iraq without any evidence, evidence must come before decision.

You also seem to forgot that 30 Tories MP's and 9 Liberals rebelled against the government.

I also think that the gay marriage shows why I couldn't vote Tory- he needed the support of Labour to pass it through the commons. His own part didn't even want it

Well Davids gone off to New York, and only his brothers left. Only someone with short memory loss would vote for him and his party again , he is totally useless and incapable. I voted for Farage as i think he would offer strong leadership for hard times , but i dont mind Cameron , even if hes a tory toff.

Farage is god dam facist, his party is made up of sexists, holocaust deniers and racists. Only someone with short term memory loss would forgot that after in '97 we got 418- we need a Blairite back in charge again.

His one policy of leaving the EU would cause up to collapse- we export more to belguim than we do china, we would lose any sort of influence over the EU and we would have more people returning because more brits live in the EU than EU citizens in the UK. More pensioners coming back as well, big European firms would leave and our farming indsutry would collaspe.

Don't get me started on Ukips other polices- anti gay marriage and anti gay adoption, wants to increase our military by 25% during a recession, and introducing a smaller government meaning cuts to education and hospitals

The tories haven't had a majoirty since 1992 and UKIP haven't got a single seat

[Stronk Serb]

Someone left-minded. I am not familiar enough on British politics to make a good decision.

[Yolo98]

Cowardly? How is it cowardly to ask for more evidence. Everyone bashed labour for going into Iraq without any evidence, evidence must come before decision.

You also seem to forgot that 30 Tories MP's and 9 Liberals rebelled against the government.

I also think that the gay marriage shows why I couldn't vote Tory- he needed the support of Labour to pass it through the commons. His own part didn't even want it



Farage is god dam facist, his party is made up of sexists, holocaust deniers and racists. Only someone with short term memory loss would forgot that after in '97 we got 418- we need a Blairite back in charge again.

His one policy of leaving the EU would cause up to collapse- we export more to belguim than we do china, we would lose any sort of influence over the EU and we would have more people returning because more brits live in the EU than EU citizens in the UK. More pensioners coming back as well, big European firms would leave and our farming indsutry would collaspe.

Don't get me started on Ukips other polices- anti gay marriage and anti gay adoption, wants to increase our military by 25% during a recession, and introducing a smaller government meaning cuts to education and hospitals

The tories haven't had a majoirty since 1992 and UKIP haven't got a single seat

British firms are being crippled by pen pushers in Brussels with their ludicrous laws and our fishing industry is in tatters. When 30 million Romanians and Bulgaria are able to come here next year think the tide will turn, people up and down the country are crying for tighter border control ( UKIP are on 17% in the opinion polls ).

The majority of UKIP members are not homophobic , you will always get members in all parties who have silly views. And if you want another Blairite leader why are you voting for Ed Miliband over Cameron , just yesterday Dan Hodges ( a blairite ) resigned from the party because of Milibands stance on Syria.

[Harry Smith]

British firms are being crippled by pen pushers in Brussels with their ludicrous laws and our fishing industry is in tatters. When 30 million Romanians and Bulgaria are able to come here next year i think the tide will turn, people up and down the country are crying for tighter border control.

The majority of UKIP members are not homophobic , you will always get members in all parties who have silly views. And if you want another Blairite leader why are you voting for Ed Miliband over Cameron , just yesterday Dan Hodges ( a blairite ) resigned from the party because of Milibands stand on Syria.

Our fishing industry has been doomed from the 1960's due to the methods that they use pretty much destroying the nation.

How come you've got Richard Branson, Jamie Oliver and many other British business leaders saying that we need to stay in the EU.

We had this scare back in 2004 with Poland, and it turned out to be a red herring. We also have 66 million Britain who could go to Romania and Bulgaria, see it's easy to post a stupid fact isn't it?

Free movement is the greatest thing to come from the EU, Britain has the third highest work force in Europe out of the 22 member states in the EU. Millions of British pensioners have moved abroad in the EU to retire, if they came back then we'd have to pay even more. Immigrants come over here, provide seasonal labour and pay taxes. That's what all the UKIP Facists forget- immigrants do pay taxes

I'd vote for Miliband because I'm not going to vote for Cameron- he's another John Major.

Also UKIP has PPC for 2015 who hold very questionable views, people you do not want in power. It's a party of misfits

[saea97]

Cowardly? How is it cowardly to ask for more evidence. Everyone bashed labour for going into Iraq without any evidence, evidence must come before decision.

The motion had very diplomatic language: it was pending evidence anyway. i.e. If the UN turned up evidence and resolved to strike against Assad, Britain would take part. Miliband has played it very shrewdly, capitalising on Cameron's angry backbenchers to block the motion and undermine him. Of course, the casualties of this are the diminishment of Britain's place on the world stage and relationship with America, let alone the physical casualties to Syrian life.

Also, the situation in Syria is barely analogous with Iraq. The campaign against Saddam's government was fairly efficient and successful; what happened afterwards was the unleashing of huge amounts of sectarian tension that the Ba'athist's had been suppressing for decades. Here, though, the sectarian tensions are already out in the open.

You also seem to forgot that 30 Tories MP's and 9 Liberals rebelled against the government.

I didn't forget and I don't see how this is pertinent. The thread is asking for my opinion of the best leader. I daresay if a different Tory was in charge I wouldn't be voting Tory, but I like Cameron. He stood up for his point of view and when the parliament declined it he listened. That there are Tories and Liberals who rebel against Cameron doesn't really affect my take on him.

I also think that the gay marriage shows why I couldn't vote Tory- he needed the support of Labour to pass it through the commons. His own part didn't even want it


Again, I'm talking more about leader than party. If another Tory was running for government - like, I dunno, Ann Widdecombe (just to be hypothetical), or any of those who voted against equal marriage, then I'd be sprinting for the hills. But Cameron himself showed that he was very much an ally of equal marriage supporters, and for that reason I would vote again for HIM, not just any Tory.

[Harry Smith]

The motion had very diplomatic language: it was pending evidence anyway. i.e. If the UN turned up evidence and resolved to strike against Assad, Britain would take part. Miliband has played it very shrewdly, capitalising on Cameron's angry backbenchers to block the motion and undermine him. Of course, the casualties of this are the diminishment of Britain's place on the world stage and relationship with America, let alone the physical casualties to Syrian life.

Also, the situation in Syria is barely analogous with Iraq. The campaign against Saddam's government was fairly efficient and successful; what happened afterwards was the unleashing of huge amounts of sectarian tension that the Ba'athist's had been suppressing for decades. Here, though, the sectarian tensions are already out in the open.



I didn't forget and I don't see how this is pertinent. The thread is asking for my opinion of the best leader. I daresay if a different Tory was in charge I wouldn't be voting Tory, but I like Cameron. He stood up for his point of view and when the parliament declined it he listened. That there are Tories and Liberals who rebel against Cameron doesn't really affect my take on him.



Again, I'm talking more about leader than party. If another Tory was running for government - like, I dunno, Ann Widdecombe (just to be hypothetical), or any of those who voted against equal marriage, then I'd be sprinting for the hills. But Cameron himself showed that he was very much an ally of equal marriage supporters, and for that reason I would vote again for HIM, not just any Tory.

Just to make it clear as we know you don't vote for David Cameron- that's why you should really vote on the manifesto not the personality of the leader because your voting for the party.

As Miliband said- British Foreign Policy is exatctly that- we shouldn't simply support America in everything they do. We have some self respect and I don't want our noises to be up Obama's ass just so we can boast that we're best friends with America.

I'm talking about the invasion- I'm saying how the evidence for Iraq looked pretty solid at the time and our government told us to trust it, where in fact we had the right intentions but we got it wrong. That's why we've learned the lessons of Syria and we've waited for the UN to do their job rather than going gun-hoe.

I'd also point out that only 11% of Britain support action in Syria at the moment, if the UN weapons team say it was Assad then I'll support action but at the moment I'm not relying on the US intel after they got Iraq wrong it's simple as.

My point about the rebels was the Cameron can't control his own party, and the whole idea that it's labour alone who organised the Syria opposition is BS because 39 coalition MP's didn't want, if he can't convince his own party what hope does he have?

[saea97]

Just to make it clear as we know you don't vote for David Cameron- that's why you should really vote on the manifesto not the personality of the leader because your voting for the party.

I'm too far left to agree with everything the party does or everything in the manifesto. I know for damn sure that I like Cameron a lot more than Miliband and that I strongly disagree with the stance Miliband's taken on Syria.

As Miliband said- British Foreign Policy is exatctly that- we shouldn't simply support America in everything they do. We have some self respect and I don't want our noises to be up Obama's ass just so we can boast that we're best friends with America.

I'm not suggesting we do that, because putting our noses up Obama's ass wasn't the motion put before parliament. I'm suggesting that if the UN finds Assad was guilty, we should act with America and France - which Miliband blocked.

I'm talking about the invasion- I'm saying how the evidence for Iraq looked pretty solid at the time and our government told us to trust it, where in fact we had the right intentions but we got it wrong. That's why we've learned the lessons of Syria and we've waited for the UN to do their job rather than going gun-hoe.

With regard to the WMDs, yes, we got it wrong. That's why we should wait to be sure Assad used the weapons. To your credit, you've said that you will then support an invasion, but that's what Labour blocked.

I'd also point out that only 11% of Britain support action in Syria at the moment, if the UN weapons team say it was Assad then I'll support action but at the moment I'm not relying on the US intel after they got Iraq wrong it's simple as.

The 89% are rightly cautious about the possibility of another Iraq, but they just don't understand the distinction between Iraq and Syria. I'd be curious to see what the percentage is if it does indeed get revealed that Assad's forces used the weapons (the odds that it was government forces are far higher than 50/50 already).

My point about the rebels was the Cameron can't control his own party, and the whole idea that it's labour alone who organised the Syria opposition is BS because 39 coalition MP's didn't want, if he can't convince his own party what hope does he have?

Cameron lost support from some backbenchers because he's done very un-Tory things - like yes, supporting gay marriage. A lot of his party presented him with a petition to stop supporting the legislature, but he stood up for what was right. I don't care that he "can't control his own party". I care that he doesn't collapse to their pressure. He's a principled man.

[Harry Smith]

I'm too far left to agree with everything the party does or everything in the manifesto. I know for damn sure that I like Cameron a lot more than Miliband and that I strongly disagree with the stance Miliband's taken on Syria.



I'm not suggesting we do that, because putting our noses up Obama's ass wasn't the motion put before parliament. I'm suggesting that if the UN finds Assad was guilty, we should act with America and France - which Miliband blocked.



With regard to the WMDs, yes, we got it wrong. That's why we should wait to be sure Assad used the weapons. To your credit, you've said that you will then support an invasion, but that's what Labour blocked.



The 89% are rightly cautious about the possibility of another Iraq, but they just don't understand the distinction between Iraq and Syria. I'd be curious to see what the percentage is if it does indeed get revealed that Assad's forces used the weapons (the odds that it was government forces are far higher than 50/50 already).



Cameron lost support from some backbenchers because he's done very un-Tory things - like yes, supporting gay marriage. A lot of his party presented him with a petition to stop supporting the legislature, but he stood up for what was right.

In regards to Syria I also dislike how the US media are handling the whole affair- they supported Saddam Hussein doing it in the 1980's, that's why as much as I think it's sickening it's pretty ironic that US politicians suddenly become the defenders of humanity when they supported Saddam doing it.

It would also be the third US war in the last 11 years, and the third in the Middle East. Can we really afford that?

But to summarize I would support a strike after the UN publish their facts on a political level, I just think they're are many unanswered questions

[saea97]

In regards to Syria I also dislike how the US media are handling the whole affair- they supported Saddam Hussein doing it in the 1980's, that's why as much as I think it's sickening it's pretty ironic that US politicians suddenly become the defenders of humanity when they supported Saddam doing it.

I'd rather the US weren't hypocritical too. Provided Assad is shown guilty, intervention is still the moral choice. We can't change the past.

It would also be the third US war in the last 11 years, and the third in the Middle East. Can we really afford that?

I don't know enough about finance to possibly discuss whether we can "afford" it. Can we afford the moral guilt of not defending the Geneva Protocol and allowing by inactivity the unadulterated slaughter of so many people?

But to summarize I would support a strike after the UN publish their facts on a political level, I just think they're are many unanswered questions

We're on the same level there, really. The problem is that Miliband's blocking of the motion means Britain cannot intervene regardless of the UN's choice.

[Walter Powers]

That Nigel Farage guy seems awesome. I've seen videos of him on YouTube; I wish he were an American!



Farage is god dam facist, his party is made up of sexists, holocaust deniers and racists. Only someone with short term memory loss would forgot that after in '97 we got 418- we need a Blairite back in charge again.

His one policy of leaving the EU would cause up to collapse- we export more to belguim than we do china, we would lose any sort of influence over the EU and we would have more people returning because more brits live in the EU than EU citizens in the UK. More pensioners coming back as well, big European firms would leave and our farming indsutry would collaspe.u

Don't get me started on Ukips other polices- anti gay marriage and anti gay adoption, wants to increase our military by 25% during a recession, and introducing a smaller government meaning cuts to education and hospitals

The tories haven't had a majoirty since 1992 and UKIP haven't got a single seat

Ah, pushing the righties-are-haters and facist rhetoric again I see. Why is that always the fail-safe of the liberals on this planet? And doesn't UKIP have a seat in the EU parliament?

To me UKIP seems like a party of principal; they seem very willing to make changes to things, and you get what you vote for. If I was British, I'd be a UKIP member. Also, if they are committed to cutting things to decrease your debt, that'll help your situation.

[Harry Smith]

That Nigel Farage guy seems awesome. I've seen videos of him on YouTube; I wish he were an American!



Ah, pushing the righties-are-haters and facist rhetoric again I see. Why is that always the fail-safe of the liberals on this planet? And doesn't UKIP have a seat in the EU parliament?

To me UKIP seems like a party of principal; they seem very willing to make changes to things, and you get what you vote for. If I was British, I'd be a UKIP member. Also, if they are committed to cutting things to decrease your debt, that'll help your situation.

The EU parliment isn't a good reflection on the party at all, they may have a couple of seats but the british public doesn't trust them. Nearly every anti- EU party across Europe has one- the British National Party have one and they're main policy is deporting everyone is who isn't white

The reason I called them fascists is because in fact they have members who are not only self admitted racists but actively deny that the holocaust happen. I don't want holocaust denies to be in the house of commons.

The party is a joke- they have one policy, they've held onto for the last 10 years and nearly every single major financial and business figure in Europe has rejected it outwards as being flawed.

The rest of their manfiseto is thin as fuck, they've got now idea about roads, schools, hospitals, crime or other important issues- their the joke of British politics

[britishboy]

The EU parliment isn't a good reflection on the party at all, they may have a couple of seats but the british public doesn't trust them. Nearly every anti- EU party across Europe has one- the British National Party have one and they're main policy is deporting everyone is who isn't white


theyre Nazis completely different, hes American not stupid:P


The rest of their manfiseto is thin as fuck, they've got now idea about roads, schools, hospitals, crime or other important issues- their the joke of British politics

they have got people (many ex conservative) looking at stuff like that for example, theyre passionate about bringing back grammar schools and building more prisions to allow stronger sentances

I love the way no one wants nick clegg:P

[Harry Smith]

theyre Nazis completely different, hes American not stupid:P



they have got people (many ex conservative) looking at stuff like that for example, theyre passionate about bringing back grammar schools and building more prisions to allow stronger sentances

How would they pay for these prisons when we're in recession? Ukip is based on a pipe dream and their members are crazy.

You've got a collection of homophobes, racists, holocaust deniers and sexists. The party is a joke and I pray that they never get a single seat

[britishboy]

How would they pay for these prisons when we're in recession? Ukip is based on a pipe dream and their members are crazy.


the economy is growing and privately owned prisons?

ukip dont allow anyone in from groups like the bnp... unlike other parties

[Harry Smith]

the economy is growing and privately owned prisons?

ukip dont allow anyone in from groups like the bnp... unlike other parties

Very slowly- 0.7% growth doesn't mean we can suddenly spend spend spend

Do you remember what happened during the olympics when we used G4S as a private security firm- they fucked up and we had to use Army. We shouldn't use private prisons- private security is never the answer.

The other parties don't let BNP members stand for parliament, UKIP is closest in ideology to the BNP.

You still haven't commented on the fact they have people who think the holocaust didn't happen running under UKIP Flag, along with racists and homophobes- it's an extremists party

[britishboy]

Very slowly- 0.7% growth doesn't mean we can suddenly spend spend spend

Do you remember what happened during the olympics when we used G4S as a private security firm- they fucked up and we had to use Army. We shouldn't use private prisons- private security is never the answer.

The other parties don't let BNP members stand for parliament, UKIP is closest in ideology to the BNP.

You still haven't commented on the fact they have people who think the holocaust didn't happen running under UKIP Flag, along with racists and homophobes- it's an extremists party

its a fine party, its greatest strength is niel farage, what I was thinking is a coalition between ukip and conservative, conservative the brains and ukip the balls

[Harry Smith]

its a fine party, its greatest strength is niel farage, what I was thinking is a coalition between ukip and conservative, conservative the brains and ukip the balls

It's not a fine party- it has members who don't believe in the holocaust- how is that a good party? A party which claimed that Poland caused WW2 and gives Nazi salutes

A coalition wouldn't work because the opinion polls don't them any seats at the moment- they would need at least 30 seats and guess who they would taken them from- the tories.

It also wouldn't work under Cameron, Gove or May. You would need a very right wing leader in order for it to work

[Vlerchan]

One must only look at the economic policies of Ukip to realise how completely and utterly delusional they really are. Dropping out of the EU is basically the equivalent of economic suicide for starters but they're going further and coupling that with huge cuts and large spending increases in all the wrong areas. They're a populist party who despite looking good on paper - to those lacking knowledge of basic economic theory, anyway - are going to run Britian into to the ground given the chance.

They're economic policies don't even take into account they're memberbase, however. Eurosceptics (obviously), Global Warming- and Holocaust-Denialists, Xenophobes and Racists. Far from a fine party, I think.

EDIT: I've voted Miliband, anyway. He seems to know what he's doing and what's good for the British economy tends to be good for ours.

[Yolo98]

It's not a fine party- it has members who don't believe in the holocaust- how is that a good party? A party which claimed that Poland caused WW2 and gives Nazi salutes

A coalition wouldn't work because the opinion polls don't them any seats at the moment- they would need at least 30 seats and guess who they would taken them from- the tories.

It also wouldn't work under Cameron, Gove or May. You would need a very right wing leader in order for it to work

I would also like a right wing coalition ( like the SDP liberal pact) .I think there are enough right wingers left in the tory ranks to form a UKIP-tory pact. The only way to stop Miliband and his cronies taking office in 2015 is through a united alliance. Im not talking about each individual party putting forth candidates in each seat , that would split the vote,im talking about a candidate selected by the alliance.
Eg-( on the ballot box)
Liberal Democrats -
Labour -
Green party-
Alliance -
Cameron is not willing to negotiate , so i propose Peter Bone to be put forward for Prime Minister and Farage to be put in as deputy pm.
Call me crazy but thats just my two cents.

[Harry Smith]

I would also like a right wing coalition ( like the SDP liberal pact) .I think there are enough right wingers left in the tory ranks to form a UKIP-tory pact. The only way to stop Miliband and his cronies taking office in 2015 is through a united alliance. Im not talking about each individual party putting forth candidates in each seat , that would split the vote,im talking about a candidate selected by the alliance.
Eg-( on the ballot box)
Liberal Democrats -
Labour -
Green party-
Alliance -
Cameron is not willing to negotiate , so i propose Peter Bone to be put forward for Prime Minister and Farage to be put in as deputy pm.
Call me crazy but thats just my two cents.

Do you remember when the conservatives lost in 2005? The British public don't want these old right wing policies, that's one thing I'll give to cameron- he's a modern conservative.

Peter bone is a joke- he wants to bring back the death Penalty, conscriptiion, ban the burqa, sell the BBC That's not a 21st century prime minister.

Your alliance party would only form out of right wing rebels from the tories- people such as Hague, Osbourne, Gove and Cameron would never join it. It simply lacks support from the current crop of tory MP's.

[Walter Powers]

The EU parliment isn't a good reflection on the party at all, they may have a couple of seats but the british public doesn't trust them. Nearly every anti- EU party across Europe has one- the British National Party have one and they're main policy is deporting everyone is who isn't white

The reason I called them fascists is because in fact they have members who are not only self admitted racists but actively deny that the holocaust happen. I don't want holocaust denies to be in the house of commons.

The party is a joke- they have one policy, they've held onto for the last 10 years and nearly every single major financial and business figure in Europe has rejected it outwards as being flawed.

The rest of their manfiseto is thin as fuck, they've got now idea about roads, schools, hospitals, crime or other important issues- their the joke of British politics

A few people is not "full of" facists or racists. With any big political party, your gonna get some wackos nobody likes in the mix.

I think they realize that your main problems is the EUSSR.

[Harry Smith]

A few people is not "full of" facists or racists. With any big political party, your gonna get some wackos nobody likes in the mix.

I think they realize that your main problems is the EUSSR.

A few people? If you lived in Britain you would know that we here stories every week of UKIP PPC- these are people who will stand for election, and they hold views which are scary.

I guranatee you that the Labour, Liberal or Tory party don't have any holocaust deniers running for 2015. A holcaust denier isn't a wacko- they're a anti-Semite

That's the problem with UKIP- they're not a mainstream party- they don't have enough money and they lack the support structure.

You had a UKIP candidate saying that gay people adopting children was a form of child abuse and that they should be fed to the dogs.

Does this look like child abuse to you?

http://cdn04.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2012/08/neil-patrick-harris-saint-tropez-with-the-family.jpg

[britishboy]

A few people? If you lived in Britain you would know that we here stories every week of UKIP PPC- these are people who will stand for election, and they hold views which are scary.

I guranatee you that the Labour, Liberal or Tory party don't have any holocaust deniers running for 2015. A holcaust denier isn't a wacko- they're a anti-Semite

That's the problem with UKIP- they're not a mainstream party- they don't have enough money and they lack the support structure.

You had a UKIP candidate saying that gay people adopting children was a form of child abuse and that they should be fed to the dogs.

Does this look like child abuse to you?

image (http://cdn04.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2012/08/neil-patrick-harris-saint-tropez-with-the-family.jpg)

sources for everything

oh and republicans are the best us party and they have homophobics

oh and there is ex bnp in labor

[Harry Smith]

sources for everything

oh and republicans are the best us party and they have homophobics

oh and there is ex bnp in labor

Happily

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314830/UKIP-rocked-Holocaust-row-BNP-members-leader-Nigel-Farage-admits-party-vet-candidates.html

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10378900.East_Sussex_UKIP_election_candidate_in_holocaust_storm/

http://news.sky.com/story/1016897/ukip-member-says-gay-adoption-is-child-abuse

haha, do you know that because you claim it's the best doesn't mean it's the best right? US politics is very different to UK politics,we actually value our citizens over here

There's also an ex marxist in the labour party- his name is Tony Blair.

[Stronk Serb]

Whoever supports UKIP and other right-wingers, think about this:
What if they remove the NHS?
What if they remove the minimal wage?
What if they reinstate the death penalty?
What if they revoke the homosexual marriage law?
What if they pass the law forbidding homosexuals to adopt?
What if they cut taxes forcing the UK into more economic problems?
What if they leave the EU, making more economic problems in the UK?
What if they start investing more in defense with that poor economy, especially after leaving the EU?

The first three will piss me off, so I will start to protest. They will violate human rights and fuck up the UK economy and it's citizens.

[TheBigUnit]

David Cameron = Herbert Hoover

[Harry Smith]

Whoever supports UKIP and other right-wingers, think about this:
What if they remove the NHS?
What if they remove the minimal wage?
What if they reinstate the death penalty?
What if they revoke the homosexual marriage law?
What if they pass the law forbidding homosexuals to adopt?
What if they cut taxes forcing the UK into more economic problems?
What if they leave the EU, making more economic problems in the UK?
What if they start investing more in defense with that poor economy, especially after leaving the EU?

The first three will piss me off, so I will start to protest. They will violate human rights and fuck up the UK economy and it's citizens.

The funny thing is they want to make our military the best in the world yet they oppose any wars unless we're attacked, what's the point in spending so much on something we're not going to use. Our armed forces are fine at the moment. I don't understand how anyone our age can support UKIP- it scares me

[britishboy]

The funny thing is they want to make our military the best in the world

no, just strengthen it, our country will be bankrupt 10 times over for that to happen:P

oh and for comrade mike neither conservative or ukip want to remove the nhs

[Harry Smith]

no, just strengthen it, our country will be bankrupt 10 times over for that to happen:P

oh and for comrade mike neither conservative or ukip want to remove the nhs

The lack any sense- they don't want to attack in syria or anywhere unless we're attacked, they want to pull out of NATO.

What's the point having a military that is 25% bigger if your not going to use it?

They might as well get rid of the NHS- they want to cut it even further meaning hospitals would close and death rates would increase.

I like how you skipped over Ukips colourful membership

[Stronk Serb]

The funny thing is they want to make our military the best in the world yet they oppose any wars unless we're attacked, what's the point in spending so much on something we're not going to use. Our armed forces are fine at the moment. I don't understand how anyone our age can support UKIP- it scares me

The days of the British Empire are gone. There is no need. If someone is thinking on occupying or annexing the UK, he will have to worry about your nuclear arsenal. How much is almost 70 million people worth if you might lose as much or even more?

[Yolo98]

The lack any sense- they don't want to attack in syria or anywhere unless we're attacked, they want to pull out of NATO.

What's the point having a military that is 25% bigger if your not going to use it?

They might as well get rid of the NHS- they want to cut it even further meaning hospitals would close and death rates would increase.

I like how you skipped over Ukips colourful membership

Its not our business to aid terrorists and al nusra in Syria . We need a strong military as rising super powers in the east ( and iran) are becoming ever more powerful and we need to be able to defend ourselves if any war is provoked. We also need to be able to defend our territories like the falklands islands if that evil kirchiner woman does anything stupid. Our military is just not strong enough currently.

UKIP do not want to cut the NHS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVk1pnMqgj0

[Stronk Serb]

Its not our business to aid terrorists and al nusra in Syria . We need a strong military as rising super powers in the east ( and iran) are becoming ever more powerful and we need to be able to defend ourselves if any war is provoked. We also need to be able to defend our territories like the falklands islands if that evil kirchiner woman does anything stupid. Our military is just not strong enough currently.

UKIP do not want to cut the NHS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVk1pnMqgj0

You obviously trust politicians too much. And you have nuclear weapons, nobody would not attack you. What's it worth to Iran if you can obliterate Tehran? What's it worth for any other country if you can obliterate it's biggest centers of population?

[Harry Smith]

Its not our business to aid terrorists and al nusra in Syria . We need a strong military as rising super powers in the east ( and iran) are becoming ever more powerful and we need to be able to defend ourselves if any war is provoked. We also need to be able to defend our territories like the falklands islands if that evil kirchiner woman does anything stupid. Our military is just not strong enough currently.

UKIP do not want to cut the NHS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVk1pnMqgj0

Our military at the moment is perfectly fine albeit it taking a hit from the cut backs, it should return to new labour years numbers but we have 2 aircraft carriers in the shop at the moment- UKIP want to increase it by 25%, that's another 50,000 troops and gear- that's not cheap.

Superpowers in the East haven't attacked us yet, UKIP have said they don't want any foreign wars- the super powers in the east have no need to attack us.

Do you really expect me to believe something from the UKIP channel, I'm not that stupid.

How can you increase our military by 25% and still save the NHS whilst calling for a small government?

[Vlerchan]

The whole concept of MAD blows your entire argument of Eastern aggression out of the water. The time for Empire building is past, or Empire building in a conventional sense, anyway. Nowadays it's about building economic partnerships; unions and allowing the business' build their own Empires. (EDIT: something I disagree with but seems pretty undeniable looking at the rise of various multi-billion dollar multinational corporations.)

Huge cuts to healthcare included in a package that calls for 77 Bn in cuts to public expenditure (at the loss of 1 million jobs, I might add) is exactly what Ukip proposes. As if leaving the EU wasn't bad enough for the British economy, like.

[Harry Smith]

The whole concept of MAD blows your entire argument of Eastern aggression out of the water. The time for Empire building is past, or Empire building in a conventional sense, anyway. Nowadays it's about building economic partnerships; unions and allowing the business' build their Empires.

Huge cuts to healthcare included in a package that calls for 77 Bn in cuts to public expenditure (at the loss of 1 million jobs, I might add) is exactly what Ukip proposes. As if leaving the EU wasn't bad enough for the British economy, like.

UKIP would send us back to the 1950's, they want us out of NATO and the EU. I also find a number here that said they want 90 billion pound in spending cute, along with a tax cut that would lose 50 Billion. So at the moment UKIP are going to lose the country about what 140 odd billion pounds.

In the words of Tony Blair

You sit with our countries flag, you do not represent our interests

[britishboy]

UKIP would send us back to the 1950's, they want us out of NATO and the EU. I also find a number here that said they want 90 billion pound in spending cute, along with a tax cut that would lose 50 Billion. So at the moment UKIP are going to lose the country about what 140 odd billion pounds.

In the words of Tony Blair

You sit with our countries flag, you do not represent our interests

from there website
To defend our national
interests, maintain the NATO
alliance,

oh and romania and bulgaria? you can be pro eu and oppose it everyone does

[Harry Smith]

from there website
To defend our national
interests, maintain the NATO
alliance,

oh and romania and bulgaria? you can be pro eu and oppose it everyone does

They state they don't want us to be in a foreign war which doesn't affect us- this means no bosnia, no sierra leon, no Kosovo and no Rwanda. The Tennet of NATO is an umbrella system where one attack on one member is an attack on all, UKIP's principle rejects this idea- this means they effectively withdraw us from article 5

I don't care what everyone else does in the world, I'm going to defend free movement because it makes working in Europe so great, your probably not old enough to remember but their was this whole panic about poland back in 2004 and it turned out to be nothing.

As Blair said-if you support UKIP you don't support Britain.

[britishboy]

They state they don't want us to be in a foreign war which doesn't affect us- this means no bosnia, no sierra leon, no Kosovo and no Rwanda. The Tennet of NATO is an umbrella system where one attack on one member is an attack on all, UKIP's principle rejects this idea- this means they effectively withdraw us from article 5


they have balls, they want Gibraltar to have a mp to send the Spanish a message and oh as a NATO country article 5 means any armed attack on a fellow country of NATO shall be treated as an attack on ourselves

5

I don't care what everyone else does in the world, I'm going to defend free movement because it makes working in Europe so great, your probably not old enough to remember but their was this whole panic about poland back in 2004 and it turned out to be nothing.


Poland is rather different to Romania and Bulgaria;)


As Blair said-if you support UKIP you don't support Britain.
im not even going to comment... you are the sane guy that hates the Queen right?

[Yolo98]

They state they don't want us to be in a foreign war which doesn't affect us- this means no bosnia, no sierra leon, no Kosovo and no Rwanda. The Tennet of NATO is an umbrella system where one attack on one member is an attack on all, UKIP's principle rejects this idea- this means they effectively withdraw us from article 5

I don't care what everyone else does in the world, I'm going to defend free movement because it makes working in Europe so great, your probably not old enough to remember but their was this whole panic about poland back in 2004 and it turned out to be nothing.

As Blair said-if you support UKIP you don't support Britain.


If you support UKIP you support common sense policies. If you support Blair you support illegal foreign wars and illegal immigrants living in garden sheds.

[Harry Smith]

they have balls, they want Gibraltar to have a mp to send the Spanish a message and oh as a NATO country article 5 means any armed attack on a fellow country of NATO shall be treated as an attack on ourselves



Poland is rather different to Romania and Bulgaria;)


im not even going to comment... you are the sane guy that hates the Queen right?

I know what article 5, I'm saying UKIP's policy is that we only respond if they attack us- not our ally.

Okay- they have balls. This is politics, not the playground. It doesn't matter about balls, it's about interest and we've already proven UKIP would cause us to lose 150 Trillion pounds through spending cuts and tax reform

They're both former eastern block countries who are new to the EU, seems pretty similar.

I quoted Tony Blair- you know the guy who was prime minister for 10 years. Also your using an ad hominem, do you know what that is? It's where you insult someone's character rather than argument.

Please quote me where I say I hate the Queen- this is a debate jack you need something called evidence

If you support UKIP you support common sense policies. If you support Blair you support illegal foreign wars and illegal immigrants living in garden sheds.

Your legally wrong, as immoral as Iraq was it wasn't illegal- under article 51 of the united nations conventions we had a right to do it and under 1441.

I love how the two ukip members here are both ignoring the lack of common policies for Ukip- it's a pipe dream party based on a floored idea

[britishboy]

I know what article 5, I'm saying UKIP's policy is that we only respond if they attack us- not our ally.

they e loves the commonwealth and the USA, alot, what they wont do is war after war, which I thought you agreed with them on?

Okay- they have balls. This is politics, not the playground. It doesn't matter about balls, it's about interest and we've already proven UKIP would cause us to lose 150 Trillion pounds through spending cuts and tax reform

they stand up for Britain and you! oh and im a fan of economics, can you show me a the paper that you got that off of, the author and hes degrees, social background irrelevant

I quoted Tony Blair- you know the guy who was prime minister for 10 years. Also your using an ad hominem, do you know what that is? It's where you insult someone's character rather than argument.
I know who he is, the best thing to come out of labor, the only lefty I liked

no I just thought its odd how you send me a quote suggesting I do not support queen and country when you want to change Britain into a republic and have a president.

[Yolo98]

I know what article 5, I'm saying UKIP's policy is that we only respond if they attack us- not our ally.

Okay- they have balls. This is politics, not the playground. It doesn't matter about balls, it's about interest and we've already proven UKIP would cause us to lose 150 Trillion pounds through spending cuts and tax reform

They're both former eastern block countries who are new to the EU, seems pretty similar.

I quoted Tony Blair- you know the guy who was prime minister for 10 years. Also your using an ad hominem, do you know what that is? It's where you insult someone's character rather than argument.

Please quote me where I say I hate the Queen- this is a debate jack you need something called evidence



Your legally wrong, as immoral as Iraq was it wasn't illegal- under article 51 of the united nations conventions we had a right to do it and under 1441.

I love how the two ukip members here are both ignoring the lack of common policies for Ukip- it's a pipe dream party based on a floored idea
Please , tell me some labour policies . They don't even have any, they just bash everything without coming up with viable solutions . Ed Miliband is incompetent
and weak , we need strong leadership bringing clear right wing policies

[britishboy]

Please , tell me some labour policies . They don't even have any, they just bash everything without coming up with viable solutions . Ed Miliband is incompetent
and weak , we need strong leadership bringing clear right wing policies

you know labor would be so much better if mr beab was leader, big improvement:D

[Vlerchan]

I'm not one to champion Blaire - he did some good things (Good Friday Agreement; Gay Rights; Minimum Wage Act) but ultimately destroyed his whole image with the Iraq War fiasco - though at least his policies made sense and had sound economic backing. I haven't seen one person able to explain the 120-140 Bn blackhole in UKip's spending.

And I personally don't mind what stawman image you create of the Labour Party or how hard you pound away at their exaggerated faults but at least be able to tell me what gives you any confidence in the severely flawed policies of your party.

[Harry Smith]

Please , tell me some labour policies . They don't even have any, they just bash everything without coming up with viable solutions . Ed Miliband is incompetent
and weak , we need strong leadership bringing clear right wing policies

You had a message until you said right wing policies- let me guess bring back the death Penalty, get rid of gay marriage and jump on the bus back to 1945.

Labour unlike Ukip supports giving gays equal rights, labour unlike UKIP wants to continue to let gay's adopt, labour want to limit the winter fuel allowance for people who simply don't need it- you've got it going to retired doctors who are on a pension of 60K a year. Labour unlike Cameron wants to reform the press after the phone hacking scandal- Cameron is controlled by the press barons, he brought Andy Caulson into number 10.

The living wage is also a brainchild of labour and I know how important it is for people struggling to get by, we brought in the minimum wage in '97 and we're now going to once again protect the working class and ensure that no-one falls into poverty.


Living standards are failing for both working and middle class britains, something the right seem to ignore

they e loves the commonwealth and the USA, alot, what they wont do is war after war, which I thought you agreed with them on?

they stand up for Britain and you! oh and im a fan of economics, can you show me a the paper that you got that off of, the author and hes degrees, social background irrelevant

I know who he is, the best thing to come out of labor, the only lefty I liked

no I just thought its odd how you send me a quote suggesting I do not support queen and country when you want to change Britain into a republic and have a president.

They e? Your going back to rhetoric, I don't support war in Syria but I supported going in Kosovo where we stopped a genocide- that's something UKIP wouldn't do because it wasn't a direct threat to our nation. I'm opposed to genocide full stop.

If you knew anything about economic you would know people don't write papers about parties policies, they tend to do broader stuff.

but UKIP can show how to reduce annual expenditure by £90 billion at a stroke From the UKIP website it self.

Just one of its entries, abolishing employers’ national insurance, would leave them £50-60 billion out of pocket, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

Tony Blair's quote was actually a bit smarter than saying your disloyal- he was basically saying that UKIP is going to cause Britain to crash and burn, hence that's not in national interest.

[britishboy]

You had a message until you said right wing policies- let me guess bring back the death Penalty, get rid of gay marriage and jump on the bus back to 1945.

Labour unlike Ukip supports giving gays equal rights, labour unlike UKIP wants to continue to let gay's adopt, labour want to limit the winter fuel allowance for people who simply don't need it- you've got it going to retired doctors who are on a pension of 60K a year. Labour unlike Cameron wants to reform the press after the phone hacking scandal- Cameron is controlled by the press barons, he brought Andy Caulson into number 10.

The living wage is also a brainchild of labour and I know how important it is for people struggling to get by, we brought in the minimum wage in '97 and we're now going to once again protect the working class and ensure that no-one falls into poverty.

Living standards are failing for both working and middle class britains, something the right seem to ignore

cough national dept cough labor made it cough

[Harry Smith]

cough national dept cough labor made it cough

Do you know how to debate? I've written out a very nice reply and I hope you'll reply with something a bit more statesmen like

[britishboy]

Do you know how to debate? I've written out a very nice reply and I hope you'll reply with something a bit more statesmen like

ill like my own reply thanks, here it is incase you lost it

I know what article 5, I'm saying UKIP's policy is that we only respond if they attack us- not our ally.

they e loves the commonwealth and the USA, alot, what they wont do is war after war, which I thought you agreed with them on?

Okay- they have balls. This is politics, not the playground. It doesn't matter about balls, it's about interest and we've already proven UKIP would cause us to lose 150 Trillion pounds through spending cuts and tax reform

they stand up for Britain and you! oh and im a fan of economics, can you show me a the paper that you got that off of, the author and hes degrees, social background irrelevant

I quoted Tony Blair- you know the guy who was prime minister for 10 years. Also your using an ad hominem, do you know what that is? It's where you insult someone's character rather than argument.
I know who he is, the best thing to come out of labor, the only lefty I liked

no I just thought its odd how you send me a quote suggesting I do not support queen and country when you want to change Britain into a republic and have a president.

[Yolo98]

You had a message until you said right wing policies- let me guess bring back the death Penalty, get rid of gay marriage and jump on the bus back to 1945.

Labour unlike Ukip supports giving gays equal rights, labour unlike UKIP wants to continue to let gay's adopt, labour want to limit the winter fuel allowance for people who simply don't need it- you've got it going to retired doctors who are on a pension of 60K a year. Labour unlike Cameron wants to reform the press after the phone hacking scandal- Cameron is controlled by the press barons, he brought Andy Caulson into number 10.

The living wage is also a brainchild of labour and I know how important it is for people struggling to get by, we brought in the minimum wage in '97 and we're now going to once again protect the working class and ensure that no-one falls into poverty.

Living standards are failing for both working and middle class britains, something the right seem to ignore

Most UKIP members are not homophobic , like you pretend to make out. The press always need to be free , they do not need to be regulated , that would destroy fleet street. Look at some of the regulated press on mainland Europe ,its completely ruined them . Living standards are too high for benefit scoundrels at the moment, who refuse to work and suck off taxpayers like leeches. Living standards are staying the same , i dont see any decline(even though i do not support the government). And your banging on about old labour policies , they don't even have any new ones. They even have dianne abbot on their front bench,they're a complete joke.

[Harry Smith]

ill like my own reply thanks, here it is incase you lost it

They e? Your going back to rhetoric, I don't support war in Syria but I supported going in Kosovo where we stopped a genocide- that's something UKIP wouldn't do because it wasn't a direct threat to our nation. I'm opposed to genocide full stop.

If you knew anything about economic you would know people don't write papers about parties policies, they tend to do broader stuff.

but UKIP can show how to reduce annual expenditure by £90 billion at a stroke

From the UKIP website it self.

Just one of its entries, abolishing employers’ national insurance, would leave them £50-60 billion out of pocket, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.


Tony Blair's quote was actually a bit smarter than saying your disloyal- he was basically saying that UKIP is going to cause Britain to crash and burn, hence that's not in national interest.
Most UKIP members are not homophobic , like you pretend to make out. The press always need to be free , they do not need to be regulated , that would destroy fleet street. Look at some of the regulated press on mainland Europe ,its completely ruined them . Living standards are too high for benefit scoundrels at the moment, who refuse to work and suck off taxpayers like leeches. Living standards are staying the same , i dont see any decline(even though i do not support the government). And your banging on about old labour policies , they don't even have any new ones. They even have dianne abbot on their front bench,they're a complete joke.

If it was up to Ukip I wouldn't be able to marry the person I potentially fall in love with. So your perfectly fine that one of David's Camerons advisors is facing bribery charges in regards to the news of world, they hacked into a murdered school girl's phone- that's not right. The panel simply called for an independent body to act as a safeguard- just like every other industry does.

Whilst prices are rising faster than wages meaning people are nearly £1,500 a year worse off than they were at the general election

That shows that living standards are getting hit. I'll agree about Dianne Abbot though- she's a questionable women

[britishboy]

They e? Your going back to rhetoric, I don't support war in Syria but I supported going in Kosovo where we stopped a genocide- that's something UKIP wouldn't do because it wasn't a direct threat to our nation. I'm opposed to genocide full stop.

If you knew anything about economic you would know people don't write papers about parties policies, they tend to do broader stuff.

but UKIP can show how to reduce annual expenditure by £90 billion at a stroke

From the UKIP website it self.



Tony Blair's quote was actually a bit smarter than saying your disloyal- he was basically saying that UKIP is going to cause Britain to crash and burn, hence that's not in national interest.

let take a few steps back you said

already proven
UKIP would cause us to lose 150
Trillion pounds through spending
cuts and tax reform

thats not their policy, someone wrote it so please find me, where it is, the author and the degrees to his name or withdraw it and say it was your estimates, if its yours please explain in as much detail as possible, every fact must have a source

[Vlerchan]

Can I have a response too? I simply want to know how UKip are expecting to defy the basic fundamentals of Economics and cut the deficit with such paper thin policies (same as Harry, really). I'm sure I've already explained the negative economic ramifications of leaving Europe and how that would only be compounded by the huge number of misplaced cuts and spending increases.

150 trillion was an exaggeration, obviously (or maybe a typo). Though, perhaps; for the sake of moving things on, you could focus on the other points. I'm genuinely interested in the counter-argument. Should be worth reading, anyway.

[Harry Smith]

let take a few steps back you said

thats not their policy, someone wrote it so please find me, where it is, the author and the degrees to his name or withdraw it and say it was your estimates, if its yours please explain in as much detail as possible, every fact must have a source

I gave you the source- it was from a study from institute for fiscal studies and it said in regards to UKiP getting rid of employers national insurance. I also praise you for making a nice strawman and avoiding the actual debate

Just one of its entries, abolishing employers’ national insurance, would leave them £50-60 billion out of pocket, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies. That's 50+60 Billion pounds gone

This is from the UKIP's website, this means UKIP wrote it themself.

but UKIP can show how to reduce annual expenditure by £90 billion at a stroke

Even a university thesis doesn't require the author's degrees, it simply needs to be credible

Plus the extra 50 Billion they want to put into our armed forces once again from their website, they also want to expand it by 25%

The 2016 defence budget, excluding foreign military aid, will be £50bn in 2012 terms.

That's the problem I have with UKIP, they're whole manifesto is just so weak- I'm not saying they need to have it all out now but there current ideas look like something from an obscure party in the 1990's. If they want to do well in British politics they have to policies which add up. They propose not only making spending cuts which would destroy the very life of Britain but there tax reform would mean we would lose even more money. The economics doesn't add up for UKIP

[Yolo98]

I gave you the source- it was from a study from institute for fiscal studies and it said in regards to UKiP getting rid of employers national insurance. I also praise you for making a nice strawman and avoiding the actual debate

That's 50+60 Billion pounds gone

This is from the UKIP's website, this means UKIP wrote it themself.



Even a university thesis doesn't require the author's degrees, it simply needs to be credible

Plus the extra 50 Billion they want to put into our armed forces once again from their website, they also want to expand it by 25%



That's the problem I have with UKIP, they're whole manifesto is just so weak- I'm not saying they need to have it all out now but there current ideas look like something from an obscure party in the 1990's. If they want to do well in British politics they have to policies which add up. They propose not only making spending cuts which would destroy the very life of Britain but there tax reform would mean we would lose even more money. The economics doesn't add up for UKIP

Im not going to bother writing two paragraphs on UKIPs economic policy , this sums it up in one video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BLdAO66vIs

Godfrey Bloom , probably the best economist in the nation , would be a strong and capable chancellor of the exchequer.

There are so many ways we could cut back , im just listing some, eg
Fake charities - 1 bn
Quangos - 50 bn
International aid - 1bn
European Union - 50 m p/ day

[Harry Smith]

Im not going to bother writing two paragraphs on UKIPs economic policy , this sums it up in one video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BLdAO66vIs

Godfrey Bloom , probably the best economist in the nation , would be a strong and capable chancellor of the exchequer.

There are so many ways we could cut back , im just listing some, eg
Fake charities - 1 bn
Quangos - 50 bn
International aid - 1bn
European Union - 50 m p/ day

The Europeon union arugment is pretty weak at best, you've got business leaders saying that if we leave we'll end up being screwed. We export more to belguim than we do to China. We need to be inside the group making decisions rather than being outside the group still having to abide by them- look at Norway, that's what happened with them. You've still got 40 billion to cut off that budget to meet UKIP's high standards- that means less schools and less hospitals.

Please Godfrey Bloom- Bongo bongo land, Nazi slurs, praises terrorist attacks, denies climate change and makes sexist comments. Sums up UKIP for me.

If he became chancellor I'd be reaching for my air rifle

[britishboy]

I gave you the source


can I have the link, the authors degrees (dont wurry if you cant get the degrees) and most importantly the authors name, your not an idiot you know how important the authors name is

[Yolo98]

The Europeon union arugment is pretty weak at best, you've got business leaders saying that if we leave we'll end up being screwed. We export more to belguim than we do to China. We need to be inside the group making decisions rather than being outside the group still having to abide by them- look at Norway, that's what happened with them. You've still got 40 billion to cut off that budget to meet UKIP's high standards- that means less schools and less hospitals.

Please Godfrey Bloom- Bongo bongo land, Nazi slurs, praises terrorist attacks, denies climate change and makes sexist comments. Sums up UKIP for me.

If he became chancellor I'd be reaching for my air rifle

Look at Norway (and Switzerland) they are thriving outside the european union.They have some of the highest living standards in the world (http://www.norway.org.uk/News_and_events/Current-Affairs/Norway-tops-happiness-index/) .Whats the point of being in the group anyways if we have no influence over it whatsoever. Godfrey Bloom is not a racist , in #bongobongolandgate he was just reffering to the ridiculous amount of money we give to developing nations .

If Balls became chancellor i would go to church for the first time in god how many years and start praying that the nation doesnt crumble.

[Harry Smith]

can I have the link, the authors degrees (dont wurry if you cant get the degrees) and most importantly the authors name, your not an idiot you know how important the authors name is


Just one of its entries, abolishing employers’ national insurance, would leave them £50-60 billion out of pocket, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies

http://www.ifs.org.uk/ that's who wrote the point about a 60 Billion dollar tax cut, it's a think tank meaning that a group of people wrote it rather than a whole economic paper.

and if that wasn’t enough to implode the Exchequer, then there’s also their lengthy list of tax cuts. Just one of its entries, abolishing employers’ national insurance, would leave them £50-60 billion out of pocket, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies. Self-financing? Hm, they’ll need to update us on that. In the meantime, as Tim Montgomerie has said, “UKIP makes Ed Balls look fiscally responsible”.

Full Extract, written by Peter Hoskin. Spectator journalist, he used evidence for the institute of fiscal studies


Look at Norway (and Switzerland) they are thriving outside the european union.They have some of the highest living standards in the world (http://www.norway.org.uk/News_and_events/Current-Affairs/Norway-tops-happiness-index/) .Whats the point of being in the group anyways if we have no influence over it whatsoever. Godfrey Bloom is not a racist , in #bongobongolandgate he was just reffering to the ridiculous amount of money we give to developing nations .

If Balls became chancellor i would go to church for the first time in god how many years and start praying that the nation doesnt crumble.

They may be doing well but they still have to abide by EU manufacturing laws, meaning that they have no control over a process which would affect their businesses. We need to be inside Brussels helping make decisions that would help British business.

It was very PC, he also has made very questionable comments about women before along with Nazi slurs, also as said before he's praised a terrorist attack. That's typical UKIP.

If we weren't in there helping write the rules they would be written without us," David Cameron actually speaks the truth for once

Please tell me again how a 60 Billion pound tax cut will help us out a recession? This isn't the time for trickle down economics it's the time for redistribution

We make 400 Billion a year trading with the EU, it makes sense to be in the club that helps with that.

UKIP would leave us isolated and alone in an age of integration

[Vlerchan]

Look at Norway (and Switzerland) they are thriving outside the european union.They have some of the highest living standards in the world (http://www.norway.org.uk/News_and_events/Current-Affairs/Norway-tops-happiness-index/)

Norway and Switzerland both belong to the EFTA. Norway is also part of the EEA which basically gives them all the benefits - and they are benefits - of a EU member without the ability to acquire its combined debt but at the costs of no power in its general decision making. (Note the lack of a link between isolationist inspired policies and economic prosperity.) Norway also has large oil reserves (6700 BPD) and runs on a completely different economic system than the one UKip proposes (See: The Nordic Model). Switzerland on the other hand relies on its near-constant stable economy and banking system coupled with it's many trading partners built up over the last fifty years to provide an attractive setup for FDI.

To even attempt to compare a UKip led Britain to either of these countries is quite simply completely wrong.

[Yolo98]

Norway and Switzerland both belong to the EFTA. Norway is also part of the EEA which basically gives them all the benefits - and they are benefits - of a EU member without the ability to acquire its combined debt but at the costs of no power in its general decision making. (Note the lack of a link between isolationist inspired policies and economic prosperity.) Norway also has large oil reserves (6700 BPD) and runs on a completely different economic system than the one UKip proposes (See: The Nordic Model). Switzerland on the other hand relies on its near-constant stable economy and banking system coupled with it's many trading partners built up over the last fifty years to provide an attractive setup for FDI.

To even attempt to compare a UKip led Britain to either of these countries is quite simply completely wrong.

Im not saying that , i was just pointing out that Norway and Switzerland are doing perfectly fine .

[Vlerchan]

Im not saying that , i was just pointing out that Norway and Switzerland are doing perfectly fine.
Both are co-operating with Europe and are in different economic circumstances. I simply didn't see what it offered to your argument; if anything it benefited mine.

[Yolo98]

Both are co-operating with Europe and are in completely different economic circumstances. I simply didn't see what it offered to your argument; if anything it benefited mine.

Your from Ireland , are you oblivious to the destruction around you created by the european union ?
Your unemployment rate is at 14.7% , thats disgusting, and your country is in gross external debt of $2.352 trillion. Your country has been destroyed by the EU .

[Vlerchan]

Your from Ireland , are you oblivious to the destruction around you created by the european union ?
Your unemployment rate is at 14.7% , thats disgusting, and your country is in debt of $2.352 trillion. Your country has been destroyed by the EU.
We are in our current state because of what our own government did (and didn't do in terms of lack of regulation of the banking sector). Not the EU who not only helped us during the entire Celtic Tiger Era - giving us billions to help improve our roads and infrastructure among other things - but bailed us out when the prosperity bubble we'd been living in burst and everything came crashing down around us. Since our inception in 1973 they've only done good for us. Read this (
http://ec.europa.eu/ireland/ireland_in_the_eu/impact_of_membership_on_ireland/index_en.htm) and tell me I'm imagining things.

In Ireland we already have someone to blame our economic woes on - Brian Cowen and Fianna Fail; Sean Fitzpatrick and Anglo-Irish bank among others - and don't need a scapegoat to blame instead like those in Britian. Admittedly, I disagree with the austerity measures that are currently being implemented - we should've gone the Keynesian route, I believe, and said a huge 'fuck you!' to the corrupt banks instead of bailing them out and acquiring their mountainous debt - but there's not one moment that I've ever actually considered Ireland leaving the Euro or the EU; that's economic suicide, really. So, please, before you actually go blaming anyone but the Irish for the problems of the Irish look the whole fiasco up ( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–13_Irish_banking_crisis) - you might be surprised that the EU aren't the Great Satan UKip propaganda makes them out to be.

And our national debt is 160ish billion (including bank debt) not 2.352 trillion. 2.352 trillion is our Gross External debt which is completely different.

Extra Reading:
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/anglo/david-mcwilliams-how-banking-collapse-turned-into-dramatic-hostage-crisis-29372595.html

[Yolo98]

We are in our current state because of what our own government did (and didn't do in terms of lack of regulation of the banking sector). Not the EU who not only helped us during the entire Celtic Tiger Era - giving us billions to help improve our roads and infrastructure among other things - but bailed us out when the prosperity bubble we'd been living in burst and everything came crashing down around us. Since our inception in 1973 they've only done good for us. Read this (
http://ec.europa.eu/ireland/ireland_in_the_eu/impact_of_membership_on_ireland/index_en.htm) and tell me I'm imagining things.

In Ireland we already have someone to blame our economic woes on - Brian Cowen and Fianna Fail; Sean Fitzpatrick and Anglo-Irish bank among others - and don't need a scapegoat to blame instead like those in Britian. Admittedly, I disagree with the austerity measures that are currently being implemented - we should've gone the Keynesian route, I believe, and said a huge 'fuck you!' to the corrupt banks instead of bailing them out and acquiring their mountainous of debt - but there's not one moment that I've ever actually considered Ireland leaving the Euro or the EU; that's economic suicide, really. So, please, before you actually go blaming anyone but the Irish for the problems of the Irish look the whole fiasco up - you might be surprised that the EU aren't the Great Satan UKip propaganda makes them out to be.

And our national debt is 160ish billion (including bank debt) not 2.352 trillion. 2.352 trillion is our Gross External debt which is completely different.

Your from Ireland , you dont understand the hate for the EU at the moment in the UK. We want to complete governance over our country again. Ireland is a completely different country, this thread is about which leader ( or party) is best for Britain, so i dont want to go off topic .

The electorate have been growing ever fonder of UKIP over the last 6 months , and that just shows how many people are waking up to the EU nightmare.
For example- Eastleigh parliament by election
1- Liberal Democrats - 32.1 %
2-UKIP - 27.8 %
3- Tories - 25.4%
4-Labour- 9.8%

2013 Local elections (cllr seats)
1- Tories - -335
2-Labour- +291
3-Liberal Democrats- -124
3-UKIP- +139

[Vlerchan]

You brought up Ireland:/

The electorate have been growing ever fonder of UKIP over the last 6 months, and that just shows how many people are waking up to the EU nightmare.
UKip's growing popularity is not a defence of their policies. Across Europe fringe (and nationalist) parties are gaining strength - Golden Dawn ( http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3974/greek_neo_nazi_group_golden_dawn_hails_poll_boost_among_the_young) in Greece; 5SM ( http://www.cnbc.com/id/100468715) in Italy - but that isn't making their position any more supportable. I would prefer to see solid economic arguments clarifying UKip's position on certain issues rather than recent election results.

[Yolo98]

You brought up Ireland:/


UKip's growing popularity is not a defence of their policies. Across Europe fringe (and nationalist) parties are gaining strength - Golden Dawn ( http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3974/greek_neo_nazi_group_golden_dawn_hails_poll_boost_among_the_young) in Greece; 5SM ( http://www.cnbc.com/id/100468715) in Italy - but that isn't making their position any more supportable. I would prefer to see solid economic arguments clarifying UKip's position on certain issues rather than recent election results.

UKIPs growing popularity does suggest their position is more supportable because it shows more people want to see their policies implemented. Most UKIP supporters are 50 + so dont tell me they are uneducated or stupid, they are smarter than brain dead labour voters. The economic argument for austerity UKIP is proposing is solid and it does make sense. In a nutshell , UKIPs economic policy is that of lower taxes for everybody, get rid of waste and un needed spending ( quangos, fake charities , international aid etc ) ,and leave the EU.

[Danny_boi 16]

I'm not from the UK, but I don't like Ed Miliband.

[Harry Smith]

UKIPs growing popularity does suggest their position is more supportable because it shows more people want to see their policies implemented. Most UKIP supporters are 50 + so dont tell me they are uneducated or stupid, they are smarter than brain dead labour voters. The economic argument for austerity UKIP is proposing is solid and it does make sense. In a nutshell , UKIPs economic policy is that of lower taxes for everybody, get rid of waste and un needed spending ( quangos, fake charities , international aid etc ) ,and leave the EU.

You do realize that getting read of quangos would include of getting rid of organisation like the British medical council who have done a wide range of work to help and would also get rid of a lot of our research capacity.

Brain dead- so I guess they got the 418 seats in '97 through being brain dead?

UKIP's model isn't austrity- it's far right wank from the 1950's, they want a tax cut which means we'll have 50-60 Billion less in the Treasury. They want to increase the military by 25%. UKIP will take us back to the 1950's. International aid is actually one of the corner stones of the G8 and the G20. UKIP's whole argument is that we'll make billions by leaving a common market that provides us with better trade.

At least if we did leave UKIP would have to find someone else to falsely blame for our problems

[Yolo98]

You do realize that getting read of quangos would include of getting rid of organisation like the British medical council who have done a wide range of work to help and would also get rid of a lot of our research capacity.

Brain dead- so I guess they got the 418 seats in '97 through being brain dead?

UKIP's model isn't austrity- it's far right wank from the 1950's, they want a tax cut which means we'll have 50-60 Billion less in the Treasury. They want to increase the military by 25%. UKIP will take us back to the 1950's. International aid is actually one of the corner stones of the G8 and the G20. UKIP's whole argument is that we'll make billions by leaving a common market that provides us with better trade.

At least if we did leave UKIP would have to find someone else to falsely blame for our problems


In 97' people just wanted a change, Blair wasnt as useless as Millipede. In the 50s Britain was thriving . I remember a certain Harold Macmillan saying we have "never had it so good". Full employment , discipline , and family values. Now look at us , 7.9 % unemployment, hippies, wild children , and chavs on benefits.

[Harry Smith]

In 97' people just wanted a change, Blair wasnt as useless as Millipede. In the 50s Britain was thriving . I remember a certain Harold Macmillan saying we have "never had it so good". Full employment , discipline , and family values. Now look at us , 7.9 % unemployment, hippies, wild children , and chavs on benefits.

In the 1950's we still had the death penalty and gay people weren't even allowed to have sex. Hippies? Pardon Mr Nixon?

Are you proud to support a party that would stop me from marrying the person I love? Do you also agree that gay adoption is in fact child abuse as UKIP Claim?

It's a party ran by out of touch people trapped in the past

[Vlerchan]

UKIPs growing popularity does suggest their position is more supportable because it shows more people want to see their policies implemented.
I would say it suggests a growing anger in the UK electorate and want - or need, perhaps - to blame their problems on someone other than themselves not that the policies put forward by UKip are in anyway economically viable. In Greece the Golden Dawn, a party of self-admitted Neo-Nazi's, are gaining popularity. That's not because it's a good idea to ever vote such people into government but rather the Greek people are angry with the current mainstream parties and vote GD in protest. Populism is Popular because it tells people want they want to hear - and lies about it's viability - rather that does what needs to be done. Parties like UKip and GD and 5SM are Populists.

UKIPs economic policy is that of lower taxes for everybody, get rid of waste and un needed spending ( quangos, fake charities , international aid etc ) ,and leave the EU.
I know their stances but not how exactly they are supposed to benefit the economy or even how they are supposed to work in the first place. UKip policies will leave a £120-£140 Bn blackhole (and the compulsory redundancies of over 1 million public sector workers); how do you explain that; how do you justify that? Between me and Harry we've repeated the economic consequences of UKip's policies numerous times and not once have we gotten a solid answer.

In the 50s Britain was thriving.
Britian had a lead over the other European countries then; it doesn't now. The countries it used to have a lead over found out how beneficial free trade agreements and such, as offered by the EU, could be. I'd also disagree with the statement that Britain "never had it so good", at least on a social level, anyway; anti-LGBT and Racism being common place in the 50s - my grandfather tells story's of pubs and labour houses, among other places, specifically banning Blacks and Irish.

The only thing I agree with on the entire UKip manifesto is government subsidised tuition fees for university, like Ireland.

[Yolo98]

In the 1950's we still had the death penalty and gay people weren't even allowed to have sex. Hippies? Pardon Mr Nixon?

Are you proud to support a party that would stop me from marrying the person I love? Do you also agree that gay adoption is in fact child abuse as UKIP Claim?

It's a party ran by out of touch people trapped in the past

Its not out of touch , its in touch with millions and millions of Britons who want to see traditional values of the past, which made our country great, brought back.

Most party members have no issue with homosexuality ( albeit there are some , like in all parties), Why do gays need marriage, they already have civil partnerships. Marriage is the union of one MAN and one WOMAN according to the rights of the church of England. Why get married under religious beliefs which shun your sexuality, when you can have a civil partnership.

[Walter Powers]

In the 1950's we still had the death penalty and gay people weren't even allowed to have sex. Hippies? Pardon Mr Nixon?

Are you proud to support a party that would stop me from marrying the person I love? Do you also agree that gay adoption is in fact child abuse as UKIP Claim?

It's a party ran by out of touch people trapped in the past

Same thing you say about the Republicans, eh?

[Vlerchan]

I didn't want this to turn into a LGBT rights debate but anti-LGBT-ness irks me.

Okay, lets start with the huge number of rights and responsibilities (http://www.theweddingcommunity.com/304/Expert-Advice/Article/The-Differences-Between-Civil-Partnerships-and-Marriages) that come with marriage; rights and responsibilities that are not earned in a civil partnership. They include rights to survivor pensions, equal treatment for tax and benefit purposes together with next of kin rights. The responsibilities include parental and maintenance duty's, among others. Then there is the whole part about marriage being a universal human right (http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/lgbt-rights/marriage-equality). And, lastly, you can get civil marriages; i.e marriages preformed by the state and not the church - who cares about the Church of England, really?

Now, with that out of the way, we can get back to discussing UKip's policies.

Extra reading:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/17/gay-marriage-civil-partnerships
http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/family/marriage_and_civil_partnerships/500385.html

[Harry Smith]

Its not out of touch , its in touch with millions and millions of Britons who want to see traditional values of the past, which made our country great, brought back.

Most party members have no issue with homosexuality ( albeit there are some , like in all parties), Why do gays need marriage, they already have civil partnerships. Marriage is the union of one MAN and one WOMAN according to the rights of the church of England. Why get married under religious beliefs which shun your sexuality, when you can have a civil partnership.

The smoking gun!

Why do gays need marriage? Maybe because we human?

A civil patnership is a cop out, it's simply not the same in both name and practice. it doesn't have any of the automatic benefits- it doesn't allow my patrner to become next of kin by default and it doesn't allow me to have the same tax rewards.

My Parents got married in a registry office- there wasn't a hint of religion in it, I simply want to be able to prove that I love my future partner as much as my parents love each other. I don't care for religion- I care to be treated equally and not as a second class citizen

Labour hasn't had anyone saying that gay adoption is child abuse, neither do they have neo-nazis. You can't simply brush it off as it's only a few because it's a major problem that UKIP have.

Also please talk about the 120+ black hole in the treasury under UKIP government

Same thing you say about the Republicans, eh?

UKIP make the republicans look moderate

I didn't want this to turn into a LGBT rights debate but anti-LGBT-ness irks me.

Okay, lets start with the huge number of rights and responsibilities (http://www.theweddingcommunity.com/304/Expert-Advice/Article/The-Differences-Between-Civil-Partnerships-and-Marriages) that come with marriage; rights and responsibilities that are not earned in a civil partnership. They include rights to survivor pensions, equal treatment for tax and benefit purposes together with next of kin rights. The responsibilities include parental and maintenance duty's, among others. Then there is the whole part about marriage being a universal human right (http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/lgbt-rights/marriage-equality). And, lastly, you can get civil marriages; i.e marriages preformed by the state and not the church - who cares about the Church of England, really?

This pretty much sums it up in more detail, and I 100% agree with it.

[britishboy]

I still owe harry a response so not getting to involved but thought I would add this, gay marriage has been passed in England and walse, first weddings are expected to go a head next year, Scotland is expected to follow the trend but the Northern Irish First Minister is not happy and any PM telling the Northern Irish what to do may be the tip of the ice burg for independence

[Yolo98]

There is no 120+ black hole , thats just a myth by the conservative press team. We would cut enough to fill any make believe black hole your dreaming up. We would save 40 or 50b on quangos, 1 bn a month on overseas aid , 1bn a month on fake charities ( fake lobby groups in disguise) , and that would save around 80bn . HS2 would also be halted if a UKIP government was to come to power, and that would also save us serious dosh.

[Harry Smith]

I still owe harry a response so not getting to involved but thought I would add this, gay marriage has been passed in England and walse, first weddings are expected to go a head next year, Scotland is expected to follow the trend but the Northern Irish First Minister is not happy and any PM telling the Northern Irish what to do may be the tip of the ice burg for independence

Uhm no it wouldn't! We've been telling the Irish about domestic issues since the 70's, there are unionists there who would rather die than leave Britain. The idea that northern Ireland would go independent over gay marriage is simply wrong

There is no 120+ black hole , thats just a myth by the conservative press team. We would cut enough to fill any make believe black hole your dreaming up. We would save 40 or 50b on quangos, 1 bn a month on overseas aid , 1bn a month on fake charities ( fake lobby groups in disguise) , and that would save around 80bn . HS2 would also be halted if a UKIP government was to come to power, and that would also save us serious dosh.

Myth? The insitute for fiscal studies published the results not the tories. You've got a nice 50-60 Billion pound drop after getting rid of national insurance as mentioned by your party.

Quangos also have their worth- hey have been around for a long time. Some of Britain's best-known organisations are classified as quangos, including national galleries, museums and the British medical council who are a crucial part of the NHS.

I'd be interested how much this massive military hike of 25% would cost

As I've said UKIP lack logic- they want to pull us out a common market that makes up 52% of our trade- that's illogical.

I'd also like your opinion on holocause deniers and neo nazis being made PCC, do you want a deeply anti semetic UKIP MP?

UKIP is going to drag us out of the 21st century- the last 50 years have shown how international communties draw together- ECC, NATO and UN along with several treaties which have worked towards a greater world

[Yolo98]

Uhm no it wouldn't! We've been telling the Irish about domestic issues since the 70's, there are unionists there who would rather die than leave Britain. The idea that northern Ireland would go independent over gay marriage is simply wrong



Myth? The insitute for fiscal studies published the results not the tories. You've got a nice 50-60 Billion pound drop after getting rid of national insurance as mentioned by your party.

Quangos also have their worth- hey have been around for a long time. Some of Britain's best-known organisations are classified as quangos, including national galleries, museums and the British medical council who are a crucial part of the NHS.

I'd be interested how much this massive military hike of 25% would cost

As I've said UKIP lack logic- they want to pull us out a common market that makes up 52% of our trade- that's illogical.

I'd also like your opinion on holocause deniers and neo nazis being made PCC, do you want a deeply anti semetic UKIP MP?

UKIP is going to drag us out of the 21st century- the last 50 years have shown how international communties draw together- ECC, NATO and UN along with several treaties which have worked towards a greater world


The idea that European countries will stop trading with us just because we leave the European Union is ludicrous. So a few members have said vulgar things , so have people from all parties, including ex bnp members in Labour. 9 ( asian) labour cllrs in Harrow resigned from the party because its racist elements locally. These few 'racist' UKIP candidates were out of thousands selected to fight local elections , in which UKIP cannot rigorously research each candidate. Im sure the selection process for 650 PCC's at the General Election will be much more intense.

Are you suggesting that we are working towards a greater world now ? There's more slavery now then ever before, i dont call that a greater world. We have seen much, much better days. Nations are still divided , the UN's useless as China and Russia block everything anyways.

[Harry Smith]

The idea that European countries will stop trading with us just because we leave the European Union is ludicrous. So a few members have said vulgar things , so have people from all parties, including ex bnp members in Labour. 9 ( asian) labour cllrs in Harrow resigned from the party because its racist elements locally. These few 'racist' UKIP candidates were out of thousands selected to fight local elections , in which UKIP cannot rigorously research each candidate. Im sure the selection process for 650 PCC's at the General Election will be much more intense.

Are you suggesting that we are working towards a greater world now ? There's more slavery now then ever before, i dont call that a greater world. We have seen much, much better days. Nations are still divided , the UN's useless as China and Russia block everything anyways.

The world is in a much better state than it was in 1945.

Vulgar? I haven't seen anyone from labour doing a Nazi salute? The PCCS have already been selected by UKIP and the other main parties

UKIP candidate Gabi Coleman has stated on Facebook that she knew that suspended candidate, Alex Woods, was a Nazi but it was best that everyone kept quiet about it, until at least after the election, according to a post she has made on Facebook.

Coleman, who is standing for the right wing party in Tunbridge Wells Rural, went on to state that there are other Nazis in the party but they operate a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy.

Woods was outed in the Daily Mirror yesterday when photos were published of him pulling what appeared to be a Hilter salute and posing with a hunting knife between his teeth.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10378900.East_Sussex_UKIP_election_candidate_in_holocaust_storm/

Two examples of that's it- National Socialists in UKIP. Don't ask, Don't tell sounds like a great Nazi policy. It's not a small problem- it's a major problem. UKIP need to drop these far right members and polices which send us back to 1945.

Leaving would cause indecision not only for trade but it would show the world that we're xenophobic isolationists

[Vlerchan]

The idea that European countries will stop trading with us just because we leave the European Union is ludicrous.

The other European countries won't stop trade but rather cut down on trade. But I'm of the opinion that leaving the EU and severely damaging FDI and Employment is the far greater consequence. Like, really; other non-European countries (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23393856) are warning against the idea as are large multinationals ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/9813184/Ford-and-BMW-warn-against-UK-exit-from-EU-as-David-Cameron-readies-historic-speech.html) and banks ( http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/european-business/european-banks-would-leave-london-if-uk-left-eu-says-goldman-sachs-executive/article14070799/) and people are still interested? It's economic suicide.

I'm still not exactly reassured by UKip's domestic economic policies either.

[Yolo98]

The world is in a much better state than it was in 1945.

Vulgar? I haven't seen anyone from labour doing a Nazi salute? The PCCS have already been selected by UKIP and the other main parties



http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10378900.East_Sussex_UKIP_election_candidate_in_holocaust_storm/

Two examples of that's it- National Socialists in UKIP. Don't ask, Don't tell sounds like a great Nazi policy. It's not a small problem- it's a major problem. UKIP need to drop these far right members and polices which send us back to 1945.

Leaving would cause indecision not only for trade but it would show the world that we're xenophobic isolationists

You have a serious problem with UKIP for some reason , you dont understand that there are racists in all parties. I can just throw back articles of racist labour members all day , all parties have their bad eggs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/17/nazi-margaret-burke-milton-keynes-_n_1523990.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22485739

[Stronk Serb]

You have a serious problem with UKIP for some reason , you dont understand that there are racists in all parties. I can just throw back articles of racist labour members all day , all parties have their bad eggs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/17/nazi-margaret-burke-milton-keynes-_n_1523990.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22485739

But UKiP is openly supporting Nazis and is wishing to cut down the rights of the UK citizens, and ruin the economy in the process. If you think that by lowering taxes, investing in defense, lowering trade will generate a larger profit, you have no knowledge on basics of economics.

[Yolo98]

But UKiP is openly supporting Nazis and is wishing to cut down the rights of the UK citizens, and ruin the economy in the process. If you think that by lowering taxes, investing in defense, lowering trade will generate a larger profit, you have no knowledge on basics of economics.

Your a communist , you clearly have no knowledge of basic economics. UKIP does not support Nazis in any way , i dont know where you got that from. It is the only party to ban ex BNP ( fascist party) members joining, unlike liblabcon.

[Stronk Serb]

Your a communist , you clearly have no knowledge of basic economics. UKIP does not support Nazis in any way , i dont know where you got that from. It is the only party to ban ex BNP ( fascist party) members joining, unlike liblabcon.

Looooool. It does not take a genius to figure out that by cutting taxes and trade, you are damaging the economy. Communism is good for the economy by the way. It ensures economical stability.

[britishboy]

Communism is good for the economy

haha! you are a funny one!

[Vlerchan]

Actually, contrary to popular belief (here, anyway), it is possible to be a Socialist and understand economics. I do like however that the UKip's supporters jumped at the chance to attack Communism rather than defend their own flawed policies - I won't say equally flawed here because honestly I'd find Communism preferable. It's gotten to the stage though where I will simply agree to disagree; UKip policies once implemented would be incredibly detrimental towards British economic growth and to the un-biased reader I'm sure that's been proven beyond doubt.

I've never held the allusion that I'll ever convince an opposition they're (completely and utterly) wrong in one of these debates. And, as such, I bow out.

[Yolo98]

Actually, contrary to popular belief (here, anyway), it is possible to be a Socialist and understand economics. I do like however that the UKip's supporters jumped at the chance to attack Communism rather than defend their own flawed policies - I won't say equally flawed here because honestly I'd find Communism preferable. It's gotten to the stage though where I will simply agree to disagree; UKip policies once implemented would be incredibly detrimental towards British economic growth and to the un-biased reader I'm sure that's been proven beyond doubt.

I've never held the allusion that I'll ever convince an opposition they're (completely and utterly) wrong in one of these debates. And, as such, I bow out.

Good , you dont understand the feelings of the British electorate at the moment.

[Stronk Serb]

haha! you are a funny one!

Look it up. Everyone is equal and works for themselves and for the state. The workers benefit, and so does the state because the workers are the state.

[Human]

I have no clue really. I've never looked up any of the principles, although Cameron is doing an alright job at the moment

[britishboy]

I have no clue really. I've never looked up any of the principles, although Cameron is doing an alright job at the moment

hes brilliant for the economy but too soft on foreign affairs, honestly I think he should be sainted for how well he is clearing up labors mess

[Yolo98]

hes brilliant for the economy but too soft on foreign affairs, honestly I think he should be sainted for how well he is clearing up labors mess

I agree the economy's turning a corner, and i praise cameron for being the broom cleaning up labours binge ( he really hates labour - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbYTahuRu9o ), but im still worried about the national debt.
I disagree on nearly all of his foreign policies unfortunately.
Hes got swag though and is a strong leader :P