Self Defence:Yay Or Nay

[QuantumPhysics]

Should self defence be allowed? I think it should be.

[Vocabulous]

you always have a right to look out for your safety, and if that includes beating the shit out of someone (within reason), then so be it.

[QuantumPhysics]

There was a case where someone accidently killed someone while the other person was robbing them. They went to prison for more than 5 years

[CharlieHorse]

Yeah I'm totally going to let someone attack me, or try to kill me and not try to defend myself...
If they accidentally die or get badly hurt in the process, that's their fault. I defend myself. I will avoid hurting them as much as I can, but I won't hesitate if an attacker gives me no choice. Of course the priority is to get away, rather than beat them.
If I go to jail, then I had a terrible lawyer.

[Delete123]

Yes it is allowed, but there is a limit to self defence, "Don't destroy the enemy, if he flees, let him or he faints leave him never kill or break the enemy." is what my muay thai instructor says.

[QuantumPhysics]

cool. I like the look of Muay Thai

[tovaris]

Everyone has the right to defend them selves

Life isn't worth more than Property- if someone enters your house or property you don't have a right to use deadly force. But if someone attacks you then you have every right to match their force and defend yourself. This doesn't mean you should run after someone if they push you

Wel said wel said...

[Harry Smith]

Life isn't worth more than Property- if someone enters your house or property you don't have a right to use deadly force. But if someone attacks you then you have every right to match their force and defend yourself. This doesn't mean you should run after someone if they push you

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Yay: Simple Logic.

[kylem1229]

Yea, especially the way this world is going.

[Emerald Dream]

Yes, I believe in self defense.

If someone attacks me - I am grabbing whatever I can to defend myself.

[Yolo98]

You just gonna let someone slap you up ? No , of course your not, you have to fight back.

[Jess]

Of course it should...you can't just let a person keep attacking you, can you? You have the right to defend yourself.

[Walter Powers]

Of course.
Being able to defend yourself saves innocent lives

[Southside]

You should have a right to defend yourself against an attacker, I dont see anything wrong with self-defense.

Its just laws like the Stand Your Ground which make me sick.

[britishboy]

You should have a right to defend yourself against an attacker, I dont see anything wrong with self-defense.

Its just laws like the Stand Your Ground which make me sick.

why is that? when one is attacked, one must have the right to defend oneself

[Southside]

why is that? when one is attacked, one must have the right to defend oneself

No mate, Stand Your Ground is a law that allows you to "defend" yourself if you feel threatened.

So basically, if you approached me wrong in some US states, I'd have the right to beat the shit out of you or shoot you.

[Cygnus]

Self-defence is just logic and instinct. When someone attacks me I am obviously going to fight back, and I know how to fight back so if I end up killing them too bad, they asked for it.

[PinkFloyd]

As someone who plans to carry a handgun in the future adult, yes. I support it. If I'm in a shitty part of LA, and some person comes up and demands something, He may or may not get shot depending on the situation.

My mom has actually told me that if someone throws a punch at me at school, I shouldn't fight back. The day I refuse to punch back twice as hard is when Hell freezes over.

[britishboy]

No mate, Stand Your Ground is a law that allows you to "defend" yourself if you feel threatened.

So basically, if you approached me wrong in some US states, I'd have the right to beat the shit out of you or shoot you.

that person could be a mass murderer! you have every right if a guy makes you feel threatened and intimated! in the UK its equal force and guns are highly illegal unless you get a near impossible license

but of course in the US everyone has guns so one second, its a punch, the next your brains all other the street

[Southside]

that person could be a mass murderer! you have every right if a guy makes you feel threatened and intimated! in the UK its equal force and guns are highly illegal unless you get a near impossible license

but of course in the US everyone has guns so one second, its a punch, the next your brains all other the street


So if a person looks at me wrong I have the right to shoot them in your opinion right?

Your not making much sense.

Gun control doesnt work either.

[britishboy]

So if a person looks at me wrong I have the right to shoot them in your opinion right?

Your not making much sense.

Gun control doesnt work either.

no, I would enjoy seeing you explain that to a judge

oh and im British so cant comment on gun control but by the looks of things all of your issues such as police brutality, school massacres and now even arming teachers are caused by your love of guns

[Walter Powers]

no, I would enjoy seeing you explain that to a judge

oh and im British so cant comment on gun control but by the looks of things all of your issues such as police brutality, school massacres and now even arming teachers are caused by your love of guns

True, however our love of guns has also prevented many more shootings and brutal deaths then have been lost because of it. A guy is much less likely to stab somebody if they know they could have a gun in their pocket.

I think our "love of guns" is a good thing. Guns allow the physically weak to have power over the physically powerful.

[whatsgoinon53]

I think that self defence should be allowed. Why should someone have to just wait around while they're getting jumped or beaten up?

If someone pulls a knife on you are you just going to wait for them to stab you because the law says you're not allowed to fight back? That's rediculous.

[EddietheZombie]

So if a person looks at me wrong I have the right to shoot them in your opinion right?

Your not making much sense.

Gun control doesnt work either.

No man, try explaining to a judge that someone moved towards you and you shot them. They have to have a weapon, or are on you beating you. And yes, gun control doesnt work. There has been a black market for items forever. It just makes a citizen not be able to get them. A crazy person will use anything for a weapon. A gun can jam or run out of bullets, a machete doesnt. Look at the Switchblade Act, it tried to ban switchblades, but people still carried them. Anyway im rambling again lol but yes in any way i believe you can defend yourself.

oh and im British so cant comment on gun control but by the looks of things all of your issues such as police brutality, school massacres and now even arming teachers are caused by your love of guns

I find it funny that you talk about our love of guns, but your the one with the (Im assuming) Special Forces picture. It is statistically true that a villain will go for a "no guns" community before he would an "Armed Community". Chicago and Detroit both have the heaviest gun control here, and yet they are the most violent. Why? Because normal citizens dont have guns there, the only ones that do are the gangs, that get them from the black market. Ive seen where a prisoner in San Fransisco that made a 9MM pistol out of his toilet and pick-pocketed the guards for the bullets. Did the "Gun Free" jail cell stop him?

[Harry Smith]

True, however our love of guns has also prevented many more shootings and brutal deaths then have been lost because of it. A guy is much less likely to stab somebody if they know they could have a gun in their pocket.

I think our "love of guns" is a good thing. Guns allow the physically weak to have power over the physically powerful.

Where was this mystery hero at Netown or Arizona? People always make that bullshit argument that guns help protect against crime, an LAPD officer will only get 37% of his shot's on target in combat so how is some 40 year old man going to far any better?

Every school massarce in America has had to stopped by the police- not the populace

[teen.jpg]

Guns are stupid. I'll take my chances with mass stabbings over shootings.

[Walter Powers]

Where was this mystery hero at Netown or Arizona? People always make that bullshit argument that guns help protect against crime, an LAPD officer will only get 37% of his shot's on target in combat so how is some 40 year old man going to far any better?

Every school massarce in America has had to stopped by the police- not the populace

True, but statistisicly many more deaths in other places are prevented. Also, I think I in general when people are using guns to defend themselves it's very close range, so it's much more likely they'll land a shot.

[Harry Smith]

True, but statistisicly many more deaths in other places are prevented. Also, I think I in general when people are using guns to defend themselves it's very close range, so it's much more likely they'll land a shot.

But that's the problem, in Texas under the stand your ground law a man shot and killed two people who were burgling his neighbours house. He simply went outside and shot them as they ran away. Property shouldn't be worth more than life.

Interesting fact
a gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a domestic homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.

[thatcountrykid]

Of course! I believe that i have the right to defend myself. That's why i have 21 trusty 45. Rounds sitting on top of my fridge ready to use.

[Walter Powers]

But that's the problem, in Texas under the stand your ground law a man shot and killed two people who were burgling his neighbours house. He simply went outside and shot them as they ran away. Property shouldn't be worth more than life.

Interesting fact

Well, I don't think that's protected by the stand your ground law. But regardless, that guy was robbing a house, the neighbor, being a good sumeratin, wanted to stop him, and that's the only means he could reasonably do so. Was there a defenseless person inside the house?

[Harry Smith]

Well, I don't think that's protected by the stand your ground law. But regardless, that guy was robbing a house, the neighbor, being a good sumeratin, wanted to stop him, and that's the only means he could reasonably do so. Was there a defenseless person inside the house?

Nope, his neighbour was on holiday. The man spoke at a tea party convention and he wasn't even charged by the police. I'll try and get up the details- I saw it on a video in school about 6 months ago.

It gives people vigilante power, there is no point killing someone just for property

[Cygnus]

I think our "love of guns" is a good thing. Guns allow the physically weak to have power over the physically powerful.

That actually sucks, it means anyone can just walk in and kill anyone else. I've heard people say that before, and usually those people are physically weak and do not have any desire to learn how to actually fight. Guns are for cowards.

[Southside]

That actually sucks, it means anyone can just walk in and kill anyone else. I've heard people say that before, and usually those people are physically weak and do not have any desire to learn how to actually fight. Guns are for cowards.

How are guns for cowards?

You expect a 80 year old man to do combat martial arts on a home intruder?

[Cygnus]

How are guns for cowards?

You expect a 80 year old man to do combat martial arts on a home intruder?

I think that is way more honorable than just pulling out a gun and killing him.

[Walter Powers]

Nope, his neighbour was on holiday. The man spoke at a tea party convention and he wasn't even charged by the police. I'll try and get up the details- I saw it on a video in school about 6 months ago.

It gives people vigilante power, there is no point killing someone just for property
I guess liberal indocritnation is going on in your school system, too?

That actually sucks, it means anyone can just walk in and kill anyone else. I've heard people say that before, and usually those people are physically weak and do not have any desire to learn how to actually fight. Guns are for cowards.

So the women who's living in a bad area who carries a gun for fear of rapists is a coward?

That's messed up, dude.

[thatcountrykid]

I think that is way more honorable than just pulling out a gun and killing him.

I dont quite understand why a person who is trying to hurt you or your family deserves the " respect " of not being shot by a gun. I think any body doing such a thing should consider them selves lucky to get shot and not have the rage of a man defending his family brought down on him.

[EddietheZombie]

Where was this mystery hero at Netown or Arizona? People always make that bullshit argument that guns help protect against crime, an LAPD officer will only get 37% of his shot's on target in combat so how is some 40 year old man going to far any better?

Every school massarce in America has had to stopped by the police- not the populace

Well picture this. There's an intruder in your home and they have a weapon. Would you

(1)Wait for the police, average response time 20-30 minutes
(2)Use a firearm and save your life and your loved ones.

And armed citizens stop more crime than we think.
http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/138894094.html

And Hitler convinced people to give up their guns too, and look how well that ended.
Detroit and Chicago have a lot of crime, and strict gun control. Its because citizens dont have guns, only the thugs do. And if people are going to kill they will do it with anything. There was a man that killed another man by ripping his neck out with his teeth. Are teeth a weapon? No, but they were used as one.

If we banned everything "Scary" and "dangerous" then ban baseball bats, letter openers, knives, broken bottles, antifreeze, hockey sticks, rocks, cars, oil, gasoline, fire, and everything else then. My point is gun control doesnt work and anything can be used as a weapon. The British tried to ban muskets here and look what happened then, along with Germany, Cuba, and several other countries with a bad past or high violence rate. Disprove my facts in my other post then, if you can.

[britishboy]

If we banned everything "Scary" and "dangerous" then ban baseball bats, letter openers, knives, broken bottles, antifreeze, hockey sticks, rocks, cars, oil, gasoline, fire, and everything else then. My point is gun control doesnt work and anything can be used as a weapon. The British tried to ban muskets here and look what happened then, along with Germany, Cuba, and several other countries with a bad past or high violence rate. Disprove my facts in my other post then, if you can.

a baseball bat wont massacre a school

does Britain have school massacres?

[Walter Powers]

a baseball bat wont massacre a school

does Britain have school massacres?

Britain has much lower crime rates to begin with. And you don't have the kind of inner cities that America does, nor do you border a developing nation.

[Southside]

Britain has much lower crime rates to begin with. And you don't have the kind of inner cities that America does, nor do you border a developing nation.

Are you blaming Mexico for our gun violence problem? Please clarify


Gun control didnt matter until a rural school got shot up in Connecticut.

[Jean Poutine]

I have no problem with reasonable self-defense. If you have any extremely good reason to think your bodily integrity or another person's is in peril, then go ahead and reasonably defend yourself/him/her.

For example, if somebody came with a knife at me, I'd have no problem using my 7 years of judo to throw the motherfucker to the ground then snap his arm in half. Likewise, if I heard a girl yelling from being raped by some asshole, I'd rush in and put a rapist to sleep, because I am trained to do so and have faith in my abilities. I would find it abhorrent to be charged myself with assault after I assisted.

The guy shooting robbers running away though, I do not condone. There are plenty of other things the guy should have done, starting with getting the car's license number and a description of the suspects. Nobody was in any danger of bodily harm. This is just pure vigilante action and should not be tolerated.

Keep in mind people this isn't a gun debate. If somebody comes at you with a gun and you have one yourself legally, then take your chances and shoot him if you want to (although I've often been told Nike-fu is the best way to go in these cases). There are a lot of good reasons to limit gun ownership but self-defense isn't really one of them.

One caveat though is that we must keep the "very good reason" or "reasonably" parts. People shouldn't be allowed to shoot at black teens because they are rushing them with a soda. People shouldn't be allowed to kill other people because they think he might have a gun because whatever he was carrying looks like one. People shouldn't be allowed to pull out guns in fistfights and claim self-defense. Self-defense means you take it upon yourself to extract justice out of the official context. Such a right means it should be heavily supported by the justice system and heavily curtailed. For example, in my rapist example, if I held the choke long enough to kill the guy, that should rightly be murder or manslaughter depending on my intent. If I only hold it enough to incapacitate him, in my eyes, that's perfectly legit.

[Walter Powers]

Are you blaming Mexico for our gun violence problem? Please clarify


Gun control didnt matter until a rural school got shot up in Connecticut.

Not just Mexico, but when you get all the drug cartels coming from Central America north, it's gonna increase crime.

[EddietheZombie]

a baseball bat wont massacre a school

does Britain have school massacres?

Britain has much lower crime rates to begin with. And you don't have the kind of inner cities that America does, nor do you border a developing nation.

Exactly^^^
A criminal is breaking the law anyway, so what keeps him from breaking another law and getting or making a gun? And no a baseball bat wont massacre a school, a deranged person does. Anyone could have went in there with a machete and did the same amount of damage. One of the problems is bullying....

Let me ask you this, if someone had you or a loved one hostage, with no chance of calling a cop, what would you do?

[Synyster Shadows]

I agree that self-defense should be allowed within reason. If I'm living in South Boston (which I will never do unless I have no choice; it's a rough area), or some other rough city, and somebody tries to mug me, steal my keys or whatever, I'm definitely going to try to defend myself if there aren't enough people to call for help. Sure, I might get shot or something, but I won't go down without at least trying. Maybe I'd apply for a gun license to be safe, depending on where I am. I'd prefer a gun to a knife because, well, the gun means I don't have to get into such close quarters. Good thing since I'm not a good fighter. If he's got a knife, I'll call the cops and hold him at gunpoint untiil they arrive. If he's got a gun, I'll quickly shoot him in a nonlethal area, snap a photo of the guy, and run.
So yes, I think self-defense should be allowed within reason.

[Harry Smith]

Exactly^^^
A criminal is breaking the law anyway, so what keeps him from breaking another law and getting or making a gun? And no a baseball bat wont massacre a school, a deranged person does. Anyone could have went in there with a machete and did the same amount of damage. One of the problems is bullying....

Let me ask you this, if someone had you or a loved one hostage, with no chance of calling a cop, what would you do?

Why would someone take a loved one hostage? By that theory I should be allowled to have anti tank mines by my front door in case someone tries to break in.

A Ar-15 is a lot more effective than a machete- that's why the armed forces use assault rifles. Look at the Batman shooting- even if I had a pistol I'd be fucked against someone in Kevlar with a automatic rifle

[Human]

I think within your own home self defence is an especially important right. In the UK I don't think we have much of a self defence right - burglars have sued house owners because they hurt them in their homes.

[EddietheZombie]

Why would someone take a loved one hostage? By that theory I should be allowled to have anti tank mines by my front door in case someone tries to break in.

A Ar-15 is a lot more effective than a machete- that's why the armed forces use assault rifles. Look at the Batman shooting- even if I had a pistol I'd be fucked against someone in Kevlar with a automatic rifle

Some one would do it just to do it. There are some crazy freaks out there.

And an AR-15 isnt that effective. They jam, and can run out of bullets. A machete doesnt need bullets. Exp. Vietnam and WW2 there were lots of swords and machetes.
And the Batman shooting could have easily been stopped by a conceal and carry permit holder. When you get hit by a 45. ACP bullet, even with armor it would break ribs and knock the breath out of you. Then common sense would tell you that he has armor and aim for the head.

[Harry Smith]

Some one would do it just to do it. There are some crazy freaks out there.

And an AR-15 isnt that effective. They jam, and can run out of bullets. A machete doesnt need bullets. Exp. Vietnam and WW2 there were lots of swords and machetes.
And the Batman shooting could have easily been stopped by a conceal and carry permit holder. When you get hit by a 45. ACP bullet, even with armor it would break ribs and knock the breath out of you. Then common sense would tell you that he has armor and aim for the head.

The tell me where was this hero with a concealed carry permit- the whole basis is that guns help prevent these massacres when they quite clearly done. In order for this to be true you would need to have about 80% of the citizens in one state all armed.

They're were also loads of guns in WW2 mate, your plain stupid if you would pick a machete over an assault rifle.

[EddietheZombie]

The tell me where was this hero with a concealed carry permit- the whole basis is that guns help prevent these massacres when they quite clearly done. In order for this to be true you would need to have about 80% of the citizens in one state all armed.

They're were also loads of guns in WW2 mate, your plain stupid if you would pick a machete over an assault rifle.

http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/138894094.html
Theres the statistics.

And yes there were alot of guns. There were also swords, machetes, hatchets, tomahawks, and various other weapons. And i would pick a sword over a gun, given i knew the terrain like they did and when they were at their least guard. And a sword is silent. And there was no hero because the theatre had a no guns policy. That didnt stop the criminal did it? But it stopped the law abiding citizen. Thats just it, laws only stop law abiding citizens, not the criminals. So why make it harder for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun, when a criminal can just steal one?

[Harry Smith]

http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/138894094.html
Theres the statistics.

And yes there were alot of guns. There were also swords, machetes, hatchets, tomahawks, and various other weapons. And i would pick a sword over a gun, given i knew the terrain like they did and when they were at their least guard. And a sword is silent. And there was no hero because the theatre had a no guns policy. That didnt stop the criminal did it? But it stopped the law abiding citizen. Thats just it, laws only stop law abiding citizens, not the criminals. So why make it harder for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun, when a criminal can just steal one?

By that theory why can't I buy a anti-tank mine? Or child porn?

[Derryck]

Having a spine is a good thing. (hope everyone gets the metaphorical value in that)

[EddietheZombie]

By that theory why can't I buy a anti-tank mine? Or child porn?

Because they do nothing to help the you or the community from violence. And you can have anti tank mines as long as they are deemed an antique. Has laws ever stopped a criminal before? Answer that for me and you will have your answer on why gun control doesnt work.

[sqishy]

My simple answer is yes.

[CosmicNoodle]

I think if someone is going to cause harm to you purposefully you should be able to fight back, if someone ever try's to harm me i don't care what the law says i will defend myself even if it means kicking the shit out of them, i will not let anyone lay a hand on me agane, i let it happen to many times, not again