I don't see what was so special about rosa parks

[James Bond]

People always praise rosa parks for what she did, but I really don't see what the big deal is. Honestly, so what she gave up a bus seat? It's not like anyone was gonna beat her up for it. Her feet probably hurt from all the walking she did, so she just didn't want to stand. It's not like she was thinking "I'm gonna make a nation changing decision and say no to these white folks". It's not like she was making a political stance. So I really don't see what the big deal is, I also think its kinda stupid how they built a statue dedicated to her in Washington.

[Harry Smith]

That's pretty much it, she said that it shouldn't matter what colour you are- she was tired and she wanted to sit down on the bus. Her actions lead to the 1955 Montgomery bus boycott and she did a lot of work with the NCAAP.

She got arrested because she refused to get up- it was one of founding stones of the 1960's civil rights movement

[Capto]

Catalyst.

Symbol.

[DerBear]

I think it was a significant story and the meaning behind the actions as it sparked a civil war almost.

[Stryker125]

Rosa Parks is the catalyst behind the idea that no matter what color your skin is, if you're tired, you should have the right to sit the fuck down.

[Kameraden]

I think it was a significant story and the meaning behind the actions as it sparked a civil war almost.

If only it had been a Civil War...

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I frankly quite shocked and disgusted dear sir.

[britishboy]

I frankly quite shocked and disgusted dear sir.

about what?

[Elysium]

There are a lot of very famous people who didn't actually do much themselves, but are remembered and celebrated nonetheless for the impact they ended up having. I very much respect and appreciate what Rosa Parks did. I'm sure she was aware of what she was doing.

[James Bond]

I frankly quite shocked and disgusted dear sir.

Why?

[Sugaree]

People always praise rosa parks for what she did, but I really don't see what the big deal is. Honestly, so what she gave up a bus seat? It's not like anyone was gonna beat her up for it. Her feet probably hurt from all the walking she did, so she just didn't want to stand. It's not like she was thinking "I'm gonna make a nation changing decision and say no to these white folks". It's not like she was making a political stance. So I really don't see what the big deal is, I also think its kinda stupid how they built a statue dedicated to her in Washington.

Knowing the time and place in which she refused to give up her seat on the bus, and considering the laws of the time, she could have easily been lynched by a mob. I'm not saying she was a special case, but her actions did lead to the bus boycott and served as one of the actions that helped get the 1960s civil rights movement off the ground.

To this generation, she's not special at all. With that much, I can agree with. But to a bygone generation, she's a symbol of strength.

I think it was a significant story and the meaning behind the actions as it sparked a civil war almost.

Hahahahahahaha oh wow. Oh wait, you're serious? A civil war? Are you that daft?

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Why?

It might be just me, but not seeing significance in something like that leads me to believe that the person saying such is racist, but I'm sure you aren't.

It started a whole revolution; It started occuring in not just buses, but in restaurants, stores, etc.

[Korashk]

There was nothing special about Rosa Parks, she just happened to be the one (of many black people that did the same thing) that civil rights leaders chose to popularize.

[James Bond]

It might be just me, but not seeing significance in something like that leads me to believe that the person saying such is racist, but I'm sure you aren't.

It started a whole revolution; It started occuring in not just buses, but in restaurants, stores, etc.

She was only the "leading force" behind the bus boycott. Not restaurant sit ins, those were ignited by other things.

By your logic, most everyone who agreed with me are racists.

[teen.jpg]

By your logic, most everyone who agreed with me are racists.

Well.... umm....

[Walter Powers]

She stood up to the racist Democrats. It was significant.

[Sugaree]

Well.... umm....

What an AMAZING response.

[Harry Smith]

She stood up to the racist Democrats. It was significant.

Dixiecrats actually if you want to get technical. I also seem to remember Goldwater holding some questionable views on civil rights

[teen.jpg]

What an AMAZING response.

Thanks :)

[Walter Powers]

Dixiecrats actually if you want to get technical. I also seem to remember Goldwater holding some questionable views on civil rights

Yeah the Democrats try to do everything they can to distance themselves from their racist positions 50 years ago, but they can't deny it was a big part of their history and the fact restricting civil rights is one of the primary reasons they one elections.

The party is still racist in many ways though...cough affirmative action...cough.

[Harry Smith]

Yeah the Democrats try to do everything they can to distance themselves from their racist positions 50 years ago, but they can't deny it was a big part of their history and the fact restricting civil rights is one of the primary reasons they one elections.

The party is still racist in many ways though...cough affirmative action...cough.

That's actually a plain old lie, you look at the democratic presidents

Truman
JFK
LBJ

They all did much more for civil rights than the republicans of the time, Truman de-segregated the military, JFK opposed the southern Democrats and LBJ passed the civil rights act.

I also seem to remember it being a republican who slandered and attacked the civil rights movement- but let's forget about he McCarthy era.

Yeah the Democratic party is racist against white people, keep believing that mate. Your really delusional you know

[Walter Powers]

That's actually a plain old lie, you look at the democratic presidents

Truman
JFK
LBJ

They all did much more for civil rights than the republicans of the time, Truman de-segregated the military, JFK opposed the southern Democrats and LBJ passed the civil rights act.

I also seem to remember it being a republican who slandered and attacked the civil rights movement- but let's forget about he McCarthy era.

Yeah the Democratic party is racist against white people, keep believing that mate. Your really delusional you know

"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a n*gger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America."
-Harry Truman

"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
-Lyndon Johnson

I'll give you the fact Kennedy was a good man.

And I'll also point out that it was only a slight majority of Democrats in congress the voted for the civil rights legislation, whereas almost every Republican did.

[Harry Smith]

"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a n*gger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America."
-Harry Truman

"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
-Lyndon Johnson

I'll give you the fact Kennedy was a good man.

And I'll also point out that it was only a slight majority of Democrats in congress the voted for the civil rights legislation, whereas almost every Republican did.

The fact that the word negro was used so widely in the actually wording of the law show's how the language was so different back then. I also admit that probably about 80% of the politicians back then were racist in their personal view- just as how Joe Biden opposes Abortion in his personal view. I'm certain that their were many republicans of that age and probably still now who would say questionable statements like that

I love that your idea is a couple of quotes.

Truman desegregated the military, that was his own official policy. LBJ passed the civil rights act- he ended segregation in American society. You can't claim that LBJ was racist when he passed an act of such grave racial importance.

Barry Goldwater, who wanted to be the Republican President in '64 didn't sign the bloody bill. Doesn't that show something.

To me all the civil rights episode shows me is that the Democrats evolved greatly in the 1940's and 50's so much that the southern racists had to get their own party through candidates such as Wallace and Thurmond

[thatcountrykid]

It might be just me, but not seeing significance in something like that leads me to believe that the person saying such is racist, but I'm sure you aren't.

It started a whole revolution; It started occuring in not just buses, but in restaurants, stores, etc.

How does that mean they are racist! Does it make me racist because i dont like eddie murphy movies? No! People always jump on the racism thing we they dont know jack squat!

[Twilly F. Sniper]

How does that mean they are racist! Does it make me racist because i dont like eddie murphy movies? No! People always jump on the racism thing we they dont know jack squat!

Because to me it seems easy to see it's significance.

[comical]

Just as it has been said multiple times in this thread, she was an influential Civil Rights figure. She did more than just refuse to give up her seat, but showed that she refused to follow the oppressive ways that society worked in that time period.

Excuse me for making assumptions, but I'm guessing that you aren't Black or Hispanic or would not have been affected by Jim Crowe and the other racist laws of that period. That's completely fine. Though since you aren't Black, you can't and won't really understand the importance of Rosa Parks. If people like her hadn't stood up, we(Black people) probably would still be sitting down... in the back of the bus.

How does that mean they are racist! Does it make me racist because i dont like eddie murphy movies? No! People always jump on the racism thing we they dont know jack squat!


I, too, see as it racist. Though like I said, you really can't and won't understand. That is a completely ridiculous comparison, though. Rosa Parks to Eddie Murphy Movies? You're comparing an American civil rights figure to a comedic actor.

[thatcountrykid]

Because to me it seems easy to see it's significance.

To you maybe. That doesnt mean they're kkk because they think what goerge washington was a little more impotant than a lady refusing to give her seat.

Just as it has been said multiple times in this thread, she was an influential Civil Rights figure. She did more than just refuse to give up her seat, but showed that she refused to follow the oppressive ways that society worked in that time period.

Excuse me for making assumptions, but I'm guessing that you aren't Black or Hispanic or would not have been affected by Jim Crowe and the other racist laws of that period. That's completely fine. Though since you aren't Black, you can't and won't really understand the importance of Rosa Parks. If people like her hadn't stood up, we(Black people) probably would still be sitting down... in the back of the bus.



I, too, see as it racist. Though like I said, you really can't and won't understand. That is a completely ridiculous comparison, though. Rosa Parks to Eddie Murphy Movies? You're comparing an American civil rights figure to a comedic actor.

Try me because i think i will understand. I think try to make whites feel responsible for what happened to blacks. Also if you look through out the world and history, it wasnt just white americans who had slaves. Keep in mind that african leaders would sell their people into slavery.


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[Harry Smith]

To you maybe. That doesnt mean they're kkk because they think what goerge washington was a little more impotant than a lady refusing to give her seat.



Try me because i think i will understand. I think try to make whites feel responsible for what happened to blacks. Also if you look through out the world and history, it wasnt just white americans who had slaves. Keep in mind that african leaders would sell their people into slavery.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

That doesn't justify the US government not giving all citizens equal rights until 1964 does it?

[JamesSuperBoy]

Her actions inspired many - it often takes just one or two.

[James Bond]

That's actually a plain old lie, you look at the democratic presidents

Truman
JFK
LBJ

They all did much more for civil rights than the republicans of the time, Truman de-segregated the military, JFK opposed the southern Democrats and LBJ passed the civil rights act.

I also seem to remember it being a republican who slandered and attacked the civil rights movement- but let's forget about he McCarthy era.

Yeah the Democratic party is racist against white people, keep believing that mate. Your really delusional you know

It's sad how misinformed you truly are.

It's very well known, but very well hidden by the media that the democrats were the racists 50+ years ago. In fact, most members of the kkk were high democrat officials. The 1924 Democratic Convention was the host to one of the largest KKK gatherings in American history.

The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved Governor Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block the integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The standoff was then settled and the school was then integrated after the intervention of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

The Republican Party is often portrayed as being the racists because many African Americans and Mexicans choose not to be republican. But honestly, many choose the Democratic Party because they choose to have a large government that will supply its citizens more advantages. Many people on welfare include blacks and Mexicans, it's a fact, not racism. So of course they'd choose a president who would offer them more advantages like more money from welfare, socialized healthcare, etc.

In fact, Tim Scott, the only black senator was not invited to speak on the 50th anniversary of MLKs March of Washington because he was a republican.

If you truly studied the Democratic Party, surely you would not be so blind to have read about their racist decades.

[Vlerchan]

Okay, I feel like citing a source (http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html) that had links to the The Capitalist Conservative Republican Homepage and gave me adds for Glenn 'prove to me you're not working with our enemies' Beck's Free Israel Bible is a bad idea, but yeah, what James Bond is saying rings true. More Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Bill (1964) than Republicans and they did have plenty of racist members fifty years ago. Ironically, however, these Democrats all represented states that now-a-days we'd label Red (Republican) States.

Though, really, it should be a party's policies now that are important, not there policies from two generations ago.

[Harry Smith]

It's sad how misinformed you truly are.

It's very well known, but very well hidden by the media that the democrats were the racists 50+ years ago. In fact, most members of the kkk were high democrat officials. The 1924 Democratic Convention was the host to one of the largest KKK gatherings in American history.

The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved Governor Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block the integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The standoff was then settled and the school was then integrated after the intervention of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

The Republican Party is often portrayed as being the racists because many African Americans and Mexicans choose not to be republican. But honestly, many choose the Democratic Party because they choose to have a large government that will supply its citizens more advantages. Many people on welfare include blacks and Mexicans, it's a fact, not racism. So of course they'd choose a president who would offer them more advantages like more money from welfare, socialized healthcare, etc.

In fact, Tim Scott, the only black senator was not invited to speak on the 50th anniversary of MLKs March of Washington because he was a republican.

If you truly studied the Democratic Party, surely you would not be so blind to have read about their racist decades.

If you also knew anything about History you would know how the democrats evolved in the 1960's, don't try and bullshit me.

The southern democrats were in a league of their own- that's why people such as George Wallace and Storm Thurmond got so many votes in the south because the democrat party moved away from the racist polices of the 20's and embraced civil rights meaning that the Dixiecrats had to find a new party.

It was Truman who desegreated the Military, it was Kennedy who sent the Marshalls and the army to the battle of ole miss when a black student James Meredith tried to enroll. It was LBJ who passed the 1964 civil rights act but his opponent in the Election Barry Goldwater didn't sign it.

Eisenhower was simply enforcing the supreme courts decision- he didn't introduce anything of any value in congress

You've got a democrat supporting civil rights and a republican opposing it in the '64 election which shows the whole fallacy of your argument.

The Democrat party moved on in the 40's and 50's- Stevenson, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey. The 4 democratic presidential candidates from the era and the most effective on civil rights.

[James Bond]

If you also knew anything about History you would know how the democrats evolved in the 1960's, don't try and bullshit me.

The southern democrats were in a league of their own- that's why people such as George Wallace and Storm Thurmond got so many votes in the south because the democrat party moved away from the racist polices of the 20's and embraced civil rights meaning that the Dixiecrats had to find a new party.

It was Truman who desegreated the Military, it was Kennedy who sent the Marshalls and the army to the battle of ole miss when a black student James Meredith tried to enroll. It was LBJ who passed the 1964 civil rights act but his opponent in the Election Barry Goldwater didn't sign it.

Eisenhower was simply enforcing the supreme courts decision- he didn't introduce anything of any value in congress

You've got a democrat supporting civil rights and a republican opposing it in the '64 election which shows the whole fallacy of your argument.

The Democrat party moved on in the 40's and 50's- Stevenson, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey. The 4 democratic presidential candidates from the era and the most effective on civil rights.

Congressional records even show that the Democrats were opposed to passing the following laws that was introduced by the Republicans to achieve civil rights for African Americans:

Civil Rights Act 1866
Reconstruction Act of 1867
Freedman Bureau Extension Act of 1866
Enforcement Act of 1870
Force Act of 1871
Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
Civil Rights Act of 1875
Civil Rights Act of 1957
Civil Rights Act of 1960

And during the 60's most of the Democrats fought hard to defeat the

1964 Civil Rights Act
1965 Voting Rights Acts
1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act


I'm not trying to bullshit you, what you're saying is the bullshit. History actually reveals that it was Democratic Attorney General, Robert Kennedy that approved the secret wire taps on Dr, Martin Luther King Jr., and it was Democratic President Lyndon Johnson that referred to Dr. King as " that nigger preacher." Senator Byrd referred to Dr. King as a "trouble maker" who causes trouble and then runs like a "coward," when trouble breaks out. Also, President Clinton sent more than 20,000 troops to protect the white citizens of Europe's Bosnia, but he had sent no troops to Africa's Rwanda to protect the black citizens there. Because of that choice, over 800,000 Africans were massacred.

It's sad that you are so closed minded and ignorant that you can even realize that the democrats were racists since their inception, and that the democrats have always fought against civil rights.

http://i.imgur.com/EN387AL.png

[Harry Smith]

Congressional records even show that the Democrats were opposed to passing the following laws that was introduced by the Republicans to achieve civil rights for African Americans:

Civil Rights Act 1866
Reconstruction Act of 1867
Freedman Bureau Extension Act of 1866
Enforcement Act of 1870
Force Act of 1871
Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
Civil Rights Act of 1875
Civil Rights Act of 1957
Civil Rights Act of 1960

And during the 60's most of the Democrats fought hard to defeat the

1964 Civil Rights Act
1965 Voting Rights Acts
1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act


I'm not trying to bullshit you, what you're saying is the bullshit. History actually reveals that it was Democratic Attorney General, Robert Kennedy that approved the secret wire taps on Dr, Martin Luther King Jr., and it was Democratic President Lyndon Johnson that referred to Dr. King as " that nigger preacher." Senator Byrd referred to Dr. King as a "trouble maker" who causes trouble and then runs like a "coward," when trouble breaks out. Also, President Clinton sent more than 20,000 troops to protect the white citizens of Europe's Bosnia, but he had sent no troops to Africa's Rwanda to protect the black citizens there. Because of that choice, over 800,000 Africans were massacred.

It's sad that you are so closed minded and ignorant that you can even realize that the democrats were racists since their inception, and that the democrats have always fought against civil rights.

image (http://i.imgur.com/EN387AL.png)

Have you seen Robert Kennedy speeches in South Africa? Anyone with a hint of Kennedy knowledge would know that RFK was a champion of civil rights, that's what his whole '68 campaign was based on.

You seem to forget as well that the wiretaps were asked by J. Edgar Hoover due to his suspicions that he was a communist, so it was the republican who thought MLK was a communist

I'll happily admit that the democrats in the 1800's were racist, as were nearly 95% of Britains. If your having to go back to the 1800's I think your point is pretty redundant, politics have changed a lot since then.

Why did you ignore my point about dixiecrats? They all had to move away from the democrat party because of the northern influence over the party from major liberals such as Stevenson

[comical]

Try me because i think i will understand. I think try to make whites feel responsible for what happened to blacks. Also if you look through out the world and history, it wasnt just white americans who had slaves. Keep in mind that african leaders would sell their people into slavery.


Praising or talking about a Civil Rights leader is not about trying to make whites feel responsible about what happened then. There was a thread here a while back about should Whites feel bad or something of or should feel guilty about being white. (See: White people (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=186083)) No, they shouldn't feel bad at all about the actions of someone else.

Yes, that is completely true that Africans would sell their people into slavery. Though, in order for a seller there had to be a buyer.

[Walter Powers]

Have you seen Robert Kennedy speeches in South Africa? Anyone with a hint of Kennedy knowledge would know that RFK was a champion of civil rights, that's what his whole '68 campaign was based on.

You seem to forget as well that the wiretaps were asked by J. Edgar Hoover due to his suspicions that he was a communist, so it was the republican who thought MLK was a communist

I'll happily admit that the democrats in the 1800's were racist, as were nearly 95% of Britains. If your having to go back to the 1800's I think your point is pretty redundant, politics have changed a lot since then.

Why did you ignore my point about dixiecrats? They all had to move away from the democrat party because of the northern influence over the party from major liberals such as Stevenson

Democratic racism is just taking a new form. They are now bribing blacks to keep them on their liberal vote plantation. I think they've discovered it's more effective then trying to take away their vote.


Praising or talking about a Civil Rights leader is not about trying to make whites feel responsible about what happened then. There was a thread here a while back about should Whites feel bad or something of or should feel guilty about being white. (See: White people (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=186083)) No, they shouldn't feel bad at all about the actions of someone else.

Yes, that is completely true that Africans would sell their people into slavery. Though, in order for a seller there had to be a buyer.

Yes, in fact I believe that Europeans where the first race to actually do anything to stop slavery.

[Harry Smith]

Democratic racism is just taking a new form. They are now bribing blacks to keep them on their liberal vote plantation. I think they'be discovered it's more effective then trying to take away their vote.

Damn liberal democrats getting people to vote for them- they should just let all the republicans have all the votes!

It's ironic to have this lecture when the Republicans have done the exactly same with their southern strategy to try and tie in the white working class vote.

[Walter Powers]

Damn liberal democrats getting people to vote for them- they should just let all the republicans have all the votes!

It's ironic to have this lecture when the Republicans have done the exactly same with their southern strategy to try and tie in the white working class vote.

Really? Do we buy the southerners free phones?

[britishboy]

Damn liberal democrats getting people to vote for them- they should just let all the republicans have all the votes!

It's ironic to have this lecture when the Republicans have done the exactly same with their southern strategy to try and tie in the white working class vote.

what are you suggesting? all republican voter's are working class?

[James Bond]

Have you seen Robert Kennedy speeches in South Africa? Anyone with a hint of Kennedy knowledge would know that RFK was a champion of civil rights, that's what his whole '68 campaign was based on.

You seem to forget as well that the wiretaps were asked by J. Edgar Hoover due to his suspicions that he was a communist, so it was the republican who thought MLK was a communist

I'll happily admit that the democrats in the 1800's were racist, as were nearly 95% of Britains. If your having to go back to the 1800's I think your point is pretty redundant, politics have changed a lot since then.

Why did you ignore my point about dixiecrats? They all had to move away from the democrat party because of the northern influence over the party from major liberals such as Stevenson

Nt only in the 1800s but then 1950s also. You seem to have ignored the multitude of evidence I have provided.

[Harry Smith]

what are you suggesting? all republican voter's are working class?

Can you not fucking read- if you actually knew anything you would know that I was talking about the southern strategy and how the working class white voters who voted for candidates like Wallace voted more so for republicans.


Nt only in the 1800s but then 1950s also. You seem to have ignored the multitude of evidence I have provided.

I happily admit that the Democrats were racist in the 1800's, but not the mainstream party in the 1950's- It was just the Dixiecrats

[LouBerry]

People always praise rosa parks for what she did, but I really don't see what the big deal is. Honestly, so what she gave up a bus seat? It's not like anyone was gonna beat her up for it. Her feet probably hurt from all the walking she did, so she just didn't want to stand. It's not like she was thinking "I'm gonna make a nation changing decision and say no to these white folks". It's not like she was making a political stance. So I really don't see what the big deal is, I also think its kinda stupid how they built a statue dedicated to her in Washington.

What the actual fuck.

[James Bond]

Can you not fucking read- if you actually knew anything you would know that I was talking about the southern strategy and how the working class white voters who voted for candidates like Wallace voted more so for republicans.




I happily admit that the Democrats were racist in the 1800's, but not the mainstream party in the 1950's- It was just the Dixiecrats

Democrats were racists (http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html)
Democrats were racists 2 (http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.928/article_detail.asp)
Democrats were racists 3 (http://cache.trustedpartner.com/docs/library/NationalBlackRepublicanAssociation2009/NBRA%20Civil%20Rights%20Newsletter%2018June2012.pdf)
Democrats were racists 4 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/08/1129446/-A-Little-Help-Here-Has-the-Democratic-Party-always-been-a-party-of-good#)
Democrats were racists 5 (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/07/why-did-the-black-community-leave-the-gop-for-the-democratic-party/)

All of the sources up their prove my point precisely.

Then-President Lyndon B. Johnson did sign into law the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The fact that the crux of the bill was drafted and pushed through Congress by Republican Senator Everett Dirksen, and the fact that LBJ staunchly opposed the passing of Civil Rights legislation in the decades leading up to his presidency, bears little relevance on the left’s present-day narrative.

Looks like your ignorance has yet again got in the way of the truth, and fact.

[Harry Smith]

Democrats were racists (http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html)
Democrats were racists 2 (http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.928/article_detail.asp)
Democrats were racists 3 (http://cache.trustedpartner.com/docs/library/NationalBlackRepublicanAssociation2009/NBRA%20Civil%20Rights%20Newsletter%2018June2012.pdf)
Democrats were racists 4 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/08/1129446/-A-Little-Help-Here-Has-the-Democratic-Party-always-been-a-party-of-good#)
Democrats were racists 5 (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/07/why-did-the-black-community-leave-the-gop-for-the-democratic-party/)

All of the sources up their prove my point precisely.



Looks like your ignorance has yet again got in the way of the truth, and fact.

It could because I'm a new frontier democrat, if you look at the speeches by JFK and mainly RFK's speech in both south Africa and after the death of MLK. Robert Kennedy stopped a riot in that city. He outlined the democrat policy on civil rights not the dixiecrats in the south. As I've stated it shows how the democrats evolved, they saw that view they held in the 1820's was wrong and whilst the republicans became the party of states rights the democrats become the party which protected minorities

But the issue isn't what the democrats did 50 years ago, the issue is that you seem to underming rosa parks and everything she stood for. So I don't really want any lectures about racism from you

[James Bond]

It could because I'm a new frontier democrat, if you look at the speeches by JFK and mainly RFK's speech in both south Africa and after the death of MLK. Robert Kennedy stopped a riot in that city. He outlined the democrat policy on civil rights not the dixiecrats in the south.

But the issue isn't what the democrats did 50 years ago, the issue is that you seem to underming rosa parks and everything she stood for. So I don't really want any lectures about racism from you

She didn't do anything special. Hundreds of people im sure did what she did. What I said isn't racism, and once again, people like you are pulling the race card (funny, because I made a separate thread about that). Just because she's black, doesn't mean it's racist. Democrats must learn that just because someone says something negative about a black person, doesn't mean they're attacking their race.

It's admireable you respectfully withdrew from an argument you lost by saying '* don't really want any lectures about racism from you" *sarcasm*. You can't even admit you're wrong and that you lost this argument. Another fine example of ignorance and close minded-ness. You can't even own up to the evil racism of your parties history, very pitiful.

[Walter Powers]

Can you not fucking read- if you actually knew anything you would know that I was talking about the southern strategy and how the working class white voters who voted for candidates like Wallace voted more so for republicans.




I happily admit that the Democrats were racist in the 1800's, but not the mainstream party in the 1950's- It was just the Dixiecrats

Again, why did you compare the Democrats buying the black votes to the GOP winning support in the south?

I think our party helped them see the light.

[comical]

Yes, in fact I believe that Europeans where the first race to actually do anything to stop slavery.


I hear that quite often, and every time I hear it, I disagree with it.

I think it's erroneous to claim that Europeans are the first to do anything to stop slavery. Seeing as, no one wanted to be enslaved, and there were many revolts and attempts to stop it. Seeing as Black people/slaves had little to no political rights at the time, their efforts weren't really popular. Once White abolitionists began to become more involved, then things were made more popular.

This thread is drifting off-topic, though.. I think we should try and get back to the original subject before a mod comes... (Even though there is one participating in the off-topic discussion :P)

[Vlerchan]

@James Bond (mostly): Rosa Parks helped kick off the civil rights movement. She was an ordinary, middle-aged black woman; a relatable figure that the whole black community could rally behind. Whilst her contribution towards the civil-rights effort now doesn't seem overly significant it was back then. But please, if not with Rosa Parks, tell me when you believe the black civil rights movement to have started in earnest.

[The Trendy Wolf]

People always praise rosa parks for what she did, but I really don't see what the big deal is. Honestly, so what she gave up a bus seat? It's not like anyone was gonna beat her up for it. Her feet probably hurt from all the walking she did, so she just didn't want to stand. It's not like she was thinking "I'm gonna make a nation changing decision and say no to these white folks". It's not like she was making a political stance. So I really don't see what the big deal is, I also think its kinda stupid how they built a statue dedicated to her in Washington.

I'm pretty sure they WOULD'VE beaten her up.

[Harry Smith]

She didn't do anything special. Hundreds of people im sure did what she did. What I said isn't racism, and once again, people like you are pulling the race card (funny, because I made a separate thread about that). Just because she's black, doesn't mean it's racist. Democrats must learn that just because someone says something negative about a black person, doesn't mean they're attacking their race.

It's admireable you respectfully withdrew from an argument you lost by saying '* don't really want any lectures about racism from you" *sarcasm*. You can't even admit you're wrong and that you lost this argument. Another fine example of ignorance and close minded-ness. You can't even own up to the evil racism of your parties history, very pitiful.

I accepted that the party had racist roots well into the 1940's, it was Truman was desegregated the military, it was Kennedy who sent the marshals into ole miss and it was Lyndon Johnson who signed the 1964 civil rights act. There was racists in the south who called themself democrats- I'll admit that but then in the 1950's figures like stevenson and Kennedy moved away from the racist positions hence why Wallace did so well.

Thurmond got the 5 states in '48 because of Truman desegregating the military.

Have you heard Robert Kennedy speech about martin luther kings death?

Again, why did you compare the Democrats buying the black votes to the GOP winning support in the south?

I think our party helped them see the light.

Yep, your completely right in everything you say- the evil racist democrats need to stop buying votes so that the GOP can reign supreme, does that sound better for you now?

The GOP started supporting the right of states as the democrats supported the right of the supreme court (ole miss riots), Nixon said that he only needed 10% of the black vote because he wanted blacks and others minorities to sign up for democrats so that the democrats became the black party and the republican the white.

Also I love how you criticize all 1960's democrats for being racist against blacks, now you criticize them for being racist against blacks. This democrat party sure sounds bad doesn't it?

[thatcountrykid]

Yes, that is completely true that Africans would sell their people into slavery. Though, in order for a seller there had to be a buyer.

You are right but just because there is a buyer doesnt mean they have to sell.