Badger Cull in UK

[DreamCatcher]

What's your view on this? Personally I think it's disgusting; killing innocent creatures instead of using vaccinations on cattle and the badgers themselves. Ugh it makes me so mad...
(Sorry if this is in the wrong section :P)

[Emerald Dream]

I am going to move this over here, since it looks like it may become a debate.

TWPR :arrow: ROTW

[britishboy]

its for the best, shot em gas em I dont care, theyre animals threatening the food industry

[Harry Smith]

its for the best, shot em gas em I dont care, theyre animals threatening the food industry

That's actually illegal what your suggesting their, it's easily in the top 10 of your most arrogant statements.

The scientific evidence about badger culling is weak at best, we can't kill simply to protect our food industry- that's morally wrong

[DreamCatcher]

The cull will kill off 70% of the population, of which we probably won't be able to get back. Do you honestly think that people won't be able to breed back the cattle that we're lost to TB?

[britishboy]

That's actually illegal what your suggesting their, it's easily in the top 10 of your most arrogant statements.

The scientific evidence about badger culling is weak at best, we can't kill simply to protect our food industry- that's morally wrong

I dont care, theyre common animals spreading a disease, and we can and its started

[Harry Smith]

I dont care, theyre common animals spreading a disease, and we can and its started

Wait? You don't care? Alert the media. It doesn't matter if your care or not. That's no argument in a debate.

We're common animals, dogs are common animals, cats are common animals. We spread disease-do you think they should kill suffers of Aids or HIV?

[britishboy]

Wait? You don't care? Alert the media. It doesn't matter if your care or not. That's no argument in a debate.

We're common animals, dogs are common animals, cats are common animals. We spread disease-do you think they should kill suffers of Aids or HIV?

no because theyre people, if animals was spreading aids I would happily have them killed.

the fact is its going ahead, and I support the decision

[DreamCatcher]

Oh my God, just because they're animals you'd happily kill them for simply carrying a disease that is beyond control? You're an animal too, I don't get why certain people deny the fact.

[Harry Smith]

no because theyre people, if animals was spreading aids I would happily have them killed.

the fact is its going ahead, and I support the decision

You do know that animals can get aids right? The scientific community has pretty said that most of the stuff used by the government to justify this is bullshit, so you support something that isn't backed up by science?

Also yes well done it is going ahead!

[britishboy]

You do know that animals can get aids right? The scientific community has pretty said that most of the stuff used by the government to justify this is bullshit, so you support something that isn't backed up by science?

Also yes well done it is going ahead!

yes and the filthy things are killed

it prevents the disease spreading and is cheaper in the long run

why do you oppose it? as I have said it is cheaper in the long run and the government wouldnt have spent the money if it didn't help, why would they kill the badgers if it does no good?

[Harry Smith]

yes and the filthy things are killed

it prevents the disease spreading and is cheaper in the long run

why do you oppose it? as I have said it is cheaper in the long run and the government wouldnt have spent the money if it didn't help, why would they kill the badgers if it does no good?

There are many filthy homeless people? Can you go a minute without a buzzword.

Why would the government invade Iraq if it didn't have WMDs? The government are not perfect, they have made many mistakes in the past.

It's not cheaper for our government at all, it's going 5 million- which should be spend on schools and hospitals.

It causes the disease to actually spread because the badgers dispearse into a wider area meaing that you have TB spreading across a greater area.

Up to 30% of the Badgers shot aren't killed but wounded, this leaves them in terrible pain and suffering, would you like to walk around with a bullet in you?

It's a bloody joke

[britishboy]

There are many filthy homeless people? Can you go a minute without a buzzword.

Why would the government invade Iraq if it didn't have WMDs? The government are not perfect, they have made many mistakes in the past.

It's not cheaper for our government at all, it's going 5 million- which should be spend on schools and hospitals.

It causes the disease to actually spread because the badgers dispearse into a wider area meaing that you have TB spreading across a greater area.

Up to 30% of the Badgers shot aren't killed but wounded, this leaves them in terrible pain and suffering, would you like to walk around with a bullet in you?

It's a bloody joke

4 advisory groups to the government have given there support

its cheaper than the TB spreading and it helps the industry

hopefully they will bleed to death but yes of course some will survive hopefully it is done in a way that will kill all in question

whats you objection? cost? it maybe wrong?

[Harry Smith]

4 advisory groups to the government have given there support

its cheaper than the TB spreading and it helps the industry

hopefully they will bleed to death but yes of course some will survive hopefully it is done in a way that will kill all in question

whats you objection? cost? it maybe wrong?

Hopefully they'll bleed to death? Oh 4 advisory groups that's such a shock ignore the MP's, charities and even farmers who oppose it.

But it causes the TB to spread around a further area influencing more farmers meaning it influences more farms.

The UK government doesn't own the food industry so why should they act to help it? What's next free fuel to petrol companies? Free water to southern Water? It's not the governments job to slaughter animals.

My ojection is that as always you ignore the premsis of my poiny and reply with a very simple answer which misses out the key facts

[TheBigUnit]

maybe they should only start culling when theres a spreading pandemic

[Tarannosaurus]

I don't live in the UK but I disagree with it. It's basically mass murder. Humans are animals too, how would people feel if another species decided to wipe out humans? Those who argue that humans are superior... for such a 'superior' species it's doing some pretty barbaric things, including this.

[britishboy]

Hopefully they'll bleed to death?

ideally they would die on the spot, the futher they move the worse


But it causes the TB to spread around a further area influencing more farmers meaning it influences more farms.
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the cull needs to be better contained then, ill support that


[QUOTE=Harry Smith;2471807]
The UK government doesn't own the food industry so why should they act to help it? What's next free fuel to petrol companies? Free water to southern Water? It's not the governments job to slaughter animals.


because it is illegal to kill them normally and we already subsidize the industry, if the manufacturing industry was having problems I would expect them to help with that.

unless you want hunting laws to be nationally loosened, the cull would have to be controled and authorised by Government

[Harry Smith]

ideally they would die on the spot, the futher they move the worse





because it is illegal to kill them normally and we already subsidize the industry, if the manufacturing industry was having problems I would expect them to help with that.

unless you want hunting laws to be nationally loosened, the cull would have to be controled and authorised by Government

You do know that in fact Badger culls don't actually work?

. The overall benefits of proactive culling were modest , and were realised only after coordinated and sustained effort. While many other approaches to culling can be considered, available data suggest that none is likely to generate benefits substantially greater than those recorded in the RBCT, and many are likely to cause detrimental effects. Given its high costs and low benefits we therefore conclude that badger culling is unlikely to contribute usefully to the control of cattle TB in Britain, and recommend that TB control efforts focus on measures other than badger culling".[21]

Indepedant scientific Group on TB presented to David Miliband 2010

There's no point in doing something which is ill-managed and doesn't work.

It will also cost more than 5 times than it will generate in profits for the industry, they should focus on improving herding