should the councilor position be abolished? YES

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i think it should be, and ill tell u why. first off theres no resason in all the world to have a position in which there is only 1 person, and where there are going to be no more job openings for it. secondly, all a councilor is is a global mod with a different face. end of story, thats all it is. and to suggest that a councilor is someone who u can go to for things is stupid because the whole purpose of the site is to provide an enviornment where EVERYONE can go to ANYONE. single picking a certain mediocre indidual to help others is discriminatory against everyone else and useless. prove to me that this position is worth anything more than a sack of shit and maybe ill change my mind

[Kiros]

I don't think it should be.

First of all, I've taken a psychology course and I'm taking second one this year. I've helped dozens of people close to me deal with their problems and get over them. I always try to be as helpful as I can be, and if further help is needed, I redirect the person to someone or something that can be more of assistance to them. And I try my hardest.

Just let me try to explain something. Matt, you said VT should provide an enviornment where EVERYONE can go to ANYONE but this is still what VT has. People do not HAVE to come to me, I'm just asking them to try it if they think it would help. And before, I noticed that someone said EVERYONE should help EVERYONE. Well, let me put that in to a different perspective. EveryONE should help everyONE: this just means that everyone as individual teens should help everyone as individual teens, and treat them like that. I'm trying to do VT a favor by being the counselor. And even still, the counselor position is not closed. If someone has the time, has the experience, and Josh trusts them, then that someone can also be a counselor. But temporarily, we are discussing a few things to clarify positions and such. Anyway, please remember...

I give MY time away to help those who want it, I push MY friends away so I can talk to those on who need it, and I put every member of VT before MYself so that they might have a chance to feel better and live happier lives. Does this mean nothing?


... But ummm, this post is probably biased, so I'll stay out of this. :(

Please, more opinions and posts.

[Waiting]

unfortunatly i do now have to agree with matt

reasons being: just because YOU have a psychology course under ure belt doesnt mean the position shud be kept, and besides maybe if the position is kept then there should be a different councillor and you should step down from your position to give someone else a chance to be councillor?

secondly, you are now claming global modding powers which you were NOT given. i was around way before you and i was around when u wer given ure position. josh said for you to be councillor he had to give you global mod powers BUT you are not a global mod, and never have been...yet the power has seemed to have goen to youtrr head and you seem to think you are a global mod...oh dear..and whenever someone confronts this you lock the topic so nobody can say different.

you may give up your time to help people, but so do i, you can still help people without this position or you could simply put in your sig pm me if you want to talk because i have a psychology degree or whatever...

dammit i know i had somethignelse to say but its slipped my mind for the second maybe i'll remember it later...

[Tal]

look, really, the guy has taken a course in psychology, and assumably has the papers or certificate/diploma to prove it, and is now taking another one. Can you say the same? Do you want to be councillor or something, because judging by the act you've put on about it, you'd be a real bad one.


reasons being: just because YOU have a psychology course under ure belt doesnt mean the position shud be kept, and besides maybe if the position is kept then there should be a different councillor and you should step down from your position to give someone else a chance to be councillor?

Are you kidding? When YOU have an advanced degree in psychology, I might agree with that, but you don't. Why should he step down if there is no-one else qualified to take his place.

If ANYONE else has a degree in psychology, then speak up, and you might be listened to!

[Waiting]

who the hell are you to have a go at me you little noob shit?

you've joined today and have less then 10posts
you have no ideawhats goign on.
theres far much more that people who have been here longer then a couple of hours would understand.

fuck off back to the puberty forum or where ever you came from because really, this place doesnt suit you and never will

look, really, the guy has taken a course in psychology, and assumably has the papers or certificate/diploma to prove it, and is now taking another one. Can you say the same?

he blatently doesnt have a diploma because for that you would have to go through college an duni to get one and if he was in uni, whichhes not then hewouldnt eb on this site...obviosuly if you wertn such a newbie you would know that



Do you want to be councillor or something, because judging by the act you've put on about it, you'd be a real bad one.

NO, i wouldnt want to be councillor, i would rather have the position abolished, like if you actulary payed attention to my post, and not thoguht 'hey i'm obviously an asswhole so im gonna jump the gun and attack someone'
ya knwo what i probably would make a bad councillor,
but thats me sayign that, not you, you have no right to judge me,
your opinion is worthless
oh and btw, i've been a mod on this site for over a year...so i'm obviously not bad at my job..or i would of been fired.



Are you kidding? When YOU have an advanced degree in psychology, I might agree with that, but you don't. Why should he step down if there is no-one else qualified to take his place.

omg this is just getting funny now, your lack of ability to read is impressive, kiros does nto have an advanced degree, he simply stated he took a psychology course and is takign another one...he would be alot older and alot wiser if he had an advanced qualification
and alright then if nobody is qualified enough ro whatever to becoem a councillor then they might aswell abolish the position because thats what both me and matt have been saying...not thatwe want to be one...get your facts straight newbie


, and you might be listened to! you obviously won't be listend to by anybody including our mr perfect councillor here because my little idiotic asswhole, you are just a stupid little newbie, whose been here less then a day and your opinion does nto count.

i'm sorry i had to rip you apart. you provoked me. just dont get involved. you knownothing.

god ihate newbies these days..always thinking they know everything...jeez

[Anonymous]

i think it should be abolished because kiros just asked josh for the job when that clearly isnt aloud at vt. If people could do that and josh agree with it, then newbies would be moderating the forums and it would all be a mess. no one is going to go to kiros because they want help with a specific problem and they ask it and people post and tell them how to deal with it. making kiros a "special" counselor.....is a bit pointless. he should stay to computers and global mod thing. and get rid of the counseling position.

[Kiros]

OK, I just want to add on to my point of view... It will only take a sec :)


A Psychiatric Ward without a counselor? ô.o

EDIT:

I also think that this thread should be moved to the Virtual Teen HQ so it will get noticed more. If someone else agrees with that then I'll happily move it.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

dont u dare touch it i put it here for a reason. someone prove to me that kiros is somehow more qualified than every other person at this site as someone to who u can go to for help. i bet he has zero problems of his own and therefore cant possibly talk from experience ever

[Kiros]

No... I assure you, I have had bad experiences, but I don't talk about them. So yes, I can talk from experience, and that's why I understand a lot of people's feelings.

But ok, I won't touch this :)

[kevin]

No it's a debate.

Anyways I think it has some purpose, but I don't think it should have global modding capabilities and I don't think that it's reasonable anymore. Yes I know I suggested it ages ago (topic's pruned now :-/ ) but it was fitting then. It was fitting then becuase nobody was extremely active and that could have possibly gotten vT more traffic by guests thinking there was a cousellor to talk to, it sounded professional. But now it's not needed. There's great advice given everyday and the purpose of this community is that everyone chips in, not just one person that's got good education. If you have good education, good for you, that's great for life. But saying that doesn't mean you're any higher than all of us, if you want to help then post, don't do it through PM. And don't tell me some people don't want the world to know, becuase guess what, the world doesn't know you, you only let people know you if they want them to know you and what I mean in saying this is that you only let go the privacy you want to let go, for ex. if you don't want people to know your name, you don't make your username your real life name. It's as simple as that, make an account that has absolutly no relavence to you and then post it. And since there's way more active users today that can give more advice, the counsellor job is n/a.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

thank you kevin, austin, and patch. you have all made excellent points. the duties of the counsellor are obso1337 and theres no reason for it to be around anymore. if anything, it should be stripped of global mod capabilities like kevin said. heather is the only real global mod we have nowadays and shes doing a terrific job. she doesnt need kiros or anyone elses help

[Tal]

Ooh, fun, a flame war.

<snip the crap "You're a noob and know nothing" flame>

etc, etc

My name is not "Jackass". You seem to enjoy telling me about my "apparent inability to read" yet can't even get my name right. For shame.

he blatently doesnt have a diploma because for that you would have to go through college an duni to get one and if he was in uni, whichhes not then hewouldnt eb on this site...obviosuly if you wertn such a newbie you would know that

ouch. with the newbie stuff again are we? Interesting Fact #238: I've been lurking for much longer than I've been a member, and have seen enough of you idiots raging on about how "it's so unfair!" "Why's he councillor?" to get a good enough idea.

You are SUCH a dumbarse. 9 out of 10 unis are NOT full time, ie, a short time daily or a full time every few days. Also, computers do in fact exist in universities, and not just at home. Therefore, isn't it possible that perhaps, just perhaps that he might have time, or may get on while at uni? Is that just too hard to comprehend?



Do you want to be councillor or something, because judging by the act you've put on about it, you'd be a real bad one.

NO, i wouldnt want to be councillor, i would rather have the position abolished, like if you actulary payed attention to my post, and not thoguht 'hey i'm obviously an asswhole so im gonna jump the gun and attack someone'
ya knwo what i probably would make a bad councillor,
but thats me sayign that, not you, you have no right to judge me,
your opinion is worthless
oh and btw, i've been a mod on this site for over a year...so i'm obviously not bad at my job..or i would of been fired.

When did I write something about you being a bad mod? You are right though. I would never bring anything to you to help me with.



Are you kidding? When YOU have an advanced degree in psychology, I might agree with that, but you don't. Why should he step down if there is no-one else qualified to take his place.

omg this is just getting funny now, your lack of ability to read is impressive, kiros does nto have an advanced degree, he simply stated he took a psychology course and is takign another one...he would be alot older and alot wiser if he had an advanced qualification
and alright then if nobody is qualified enough ro whatever to becoem a councillor then they might aswell abolish the position because thats what both me and matt have been saying...not thatwe want to be one...get your facts straight newbie

And yet:reasons being: just because YOU have a psychology course under ure belt doesnt mean the position shud be kept, and besides maybe if the position is kept then there should be a different councillor and you should step down from your position to give someone else a chance to be councillor?

hmm, seems about right to what I said. Your post, and that quote in particular, seem to suggest that you'd have some sort of personal gain in the Councillor being demolished or Kiros stepping down.

Also, I never said he had an advanced degree, and your childishness shows when you must resort to make empty flames about mere typos.

you obviously won't be listend to by anybody including our mr perfect councillor here because my little idiotic asswhole, you are just a stupid little newbie, whose been here less then a day and your opinion does nto count.

<snip pathetic "apology" and "ur a n00b and no nuthin" flame>

lol, once again, I've been lurking for quite a long time.

[Lost_and_fallen]

I don't have a problem with the councillor position.
People that are new to the site may feel uncomfortable opening a thread, asking for help so publicly, so they may want to pm someone for advice. If they're new, there's a good chance they wont have any idea who to pm, so having a councillor makes it slightly easier.
It doesn't stop any other members helping anyone, and it doesn't have to be used. It's just an extra option.

[Waiting]

Ooh, fun, a flame war.

<snip the crap "You're a noob and know nothing" flame>

etc, etc

My name is not "Jackass". You seem to enjoy telling me about my "apparent inability to read" yet can't even get my name right. For shame.
woah sarcasm, thats impressive...
you're really controlling the flame war here...*claps*


he blatently doesnt have a diploma because for that you would have to go through college an duni to get one and if he was in uni, whichhes not then hewouldnt eb on this site...obviosuly if you wertn such a newbie you would know that

ouch. with the newbie stuff again are we? Interesting Fact #238: I've been lurking for much longer than I've been a member, and have seen enough of you idiots raging on about how "it's so unfair!" "Why's he councillor?" to get a good enough idea.

big deal you've been lurking....you still have no clue, you wern't around when the position was created, you don't know how everything works here. You Are Still A Newbie just because you choose to fight back doesnt mean thats different.


You are SUCH a dumbarse. 9 out of 10 unis are NOT full time, ie, a short time daily or a full time every few days. Also, computers do in fact exist in universities, and not just at home. Therefore, isn't it possible that perhaps, just perhaps that he might have time, or may get on while at uni? Is that just too hard to comprehend?

first off..lovving the way you spelt it Dumbarse..i mean im english, but that takes the buiscuit.
And idiot features my poitn was.. Welcome to virtualTEEN...the majority of this site are 14-17...and i knwo kiros isnt in uni....i'm not saying if he went to uni he wouldnt be able to access a computer....


When did I write something about you being a bad mod? You are right though. I would never bring anything to you to help me with.
quite frankly i wouldnt even attempt to help you if you did come to me with a problem..not that i actulary expect you to have any.


hmm, seems about right to what I said. Your post, and that quote in particular, seem to suggest that you'd have some sort of personal gain in the Councillor being demolished or Kiros stepping down.

you keep trying to make it seem liek i want the job...when really i don't
i've nothignm against kiros, i like the guy, i dont think hes bad at what he does, i just dontthink vt needs the position..what could i possibly gain from the position being abolished? find something i can gain by the position being abolished..please...

Tal... i mean really..you're picking a fight with a mod..why in gods name would you choose to do that? you're really not that smart are you? thinking you can win this?
just quit now....
or continue this when you've actulary prooved yourself on thsi site...maybe when you've been here longer then ooh..2days.. nd i dotn care how long you say you've been lurking...you are a two day member. deal with it. it would be highly embarrasing to get yourself banned within the first week.

[TheWizard]

who the hell are you to have a go at me you little noob shit?

you've joined today and have less then 10posts
you have no ideawhats goign on.
theres far much more that people who have been here longer then a couple of hours would understand.

fuck off back to the puberty forum or where ever you came from because really, this place doesnt suit you and never will

look, really, the guy has taken a course in psychology, and assumably has the papers or certificate/diploma to prove it, and is now taking another one. Can you say the same?

I should demod you for jumping a new member. But just STFO
he blatently doesnt have a diploma because for that you would have to go through college an duni to get one and if he was in uni, whichhes not then hewouldnt eb on this site...obviosuly if you wertn such a newbie you would know that



Do you want to be councillor or something, because judging by the act you've put on about it, you'd be a real bad one.

NO, i wouldnt want to be councillor, i would rather have the position abolished, like if you actulary payed attention to my post, and not thoguht 'hey i'm obviously an asswhole so im gonna jump the gun and attack someone'
ya knwo what i probably would make a bad councillor,
but thats me sayign that, not you, you have no right to judge me,
your opinion is worthless
oh and btw, i've been a mod on this site for over a year...so i'm obviously not bad at my job..or i would of been fired.



Are you kidding? When YOU have an advanced degree in psychology, I might agree with that, but you don't. Why should he step down if there is no-one else qualified to take his place.

omg this is just getting funny now, your lack of ability to read is impressive, kiros does nto have an advanced degree, he simply stated he took a psychology course and is takign another one...he would be alot older and alot wiser if he had an advanced qualification
and alright then if nobody is qualified enough ro whatever to becoem a councillor then they might aswell abolish the position because thats what both me and matt have been saying...not thatwe want to be one...get your facts straight newbie


, and you might be listened to! you obviously won't be listend to by anybody including our mr perfect councillor here because my little idiotic asswhole, you are just a stupid little newbie, whose been here less then a day and your opinion does nto count.

i'm sorry i had to rip you apart. you provoked me. just dont get involved. you knownothing.

god ihate newbies these days..always thinking they know everything...jeez

Look he's a new member and he has the right to express his opinion. I should freeze you for being a jackass to him. So aplogize to him please.

[Kiros]

:mrgreen:

Way to be an Admin, Josh! :)

Eehhhh, though I kinda feel responsible for this... If I never even thought about being a counselor, then this thread wouldn't exsist (just probably something like "should kiros be banned? YES" ...from Matt). Anyway, I have some more things to think about - to do with this topic and its replies - so I'll see where that brings me. Though there should be some more opinions on this :? --- AH! I know, I'll post a link to here in the forum I live - TWPR :)

So yeah, awesome stuff Josh. 777 (and me) want ya to check the board room when ya can (Board Room... now... or later) :biggrin:

Thx

[Anonymous]

*coughs(suck up!) loudly* i think you should stay with computers...you are very taleneted in that field. you dont seem to be a counselor. in fact when people have problems in the depression forum you dont even respond! what a counselor. you know who always responds....HEATHER! for one thing and many others! but i have not once seen you try to help out them! so get rid of your job!

[me myself and i]

haven't been here for long but from what i see having a counselor isn't bad in any way it only puts in good things... it's not like the counselor has an advantage over everyone... some people may like having the comfort in seeing that there is a counselor that they could go to anonymously... some people may not want to talk about their problems in front of everyone so pm the counselor. to me it could make things more "official" he did say he took the psycology classes that just makes things more ''official''. also, some people may feel overwhelmed by all of the other people and shy so they'll just start with talking to the counselor...
but, if someone would be interested in being a counselor than maybe it should change off every year or so...? i'm assuming the reason someone brought this up was because they wanted the position...?
i don't understand why it bothers people to have a counselor when it doesn't have any advantages over anyone it seems to me like it's just there as a plus.
just my opinion...

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

*coughs(suck up!) loudly* i think you should stay with computers...you are very taleneted in that field. you dont seem to be a counselor. in fact when people have problems in the depression forum you dont even respond! what a counselor. you know who always responds....HEATHER! for one thing and many others! but i have not once seen you try to help out them! so get rid of your job!

ya, i agree, that was the biggest admin suckup job ever. and ya kiros, i dunno who on earth would actually go to you for help, because there are a lot more experienced people to go to instead. the position is worthless, but ill tell u im not fighting against it just because i dont like u. the position itself is a bad idea, and no amount of person could ever fulfil it.

and dont freeze mute, he wasnt being a jackass at all. if you think what he did was being a jackass, why dont u just freeze 80% of all members as well for being jackasses. please.

[serial-thrilla]

*coughs(suck up!) loudly* oh austin you wouldnt know anything about sucking up would you?

[Dante]

who the hell are you to have a go at me you little noob shit?

you've joined today and have less then 10posts
you have no ideawhats goign on.
theres far much more that people who have been here longer then a couple of hours would understand.

fuck off back to the puberty forum or where ever you came from because really, this place doesnt suit you and never will

look, really, the guy has taken a course in psychology, and assumably has the papers or certificate/diploma to prove it, and is now taking another one. Can you say the same?

I should demod you for jumping a new member. But just STFO
he blatently doesnt have a diploma because for that you would have to go through college an duni to get one and if he was in uni, whichhes not then hewouldnt eb on this site...obviosuly if you wertn such a newbie you would know that



Do you want to be councillor or something, because judging by the act you've put on about it, you'd be a real bad one.

NO, i wouldnt want to be councillor, i would rather have the position abolished, like if you actulary payed attention to my post, and not thoguht 'hey i'm obviously an asswhole so im gonna jump the gun and attack someone'
ya knwo what i probably would make a bad councillor,
but thats me sayign that, not you, you have no right to judge me,
your opinion is worthless
oh and btw, i've been a mod on this site for over a year...so i'm obviously not bad at my job..or i would of been fired.



Are you kidding? When YOU have an advanced degree in psychology, I might agree with that, but you don't. Why should he step down if there is no-one else qualified to take his place.

omg this is just getting funny now, your lack of ability to read is impressive, kiros does nto have an advanced degree, he simply stated he took a psychology course and is takign another one...he would be alot older and alot wiser if he had an advanced qualification
and alright then if nobody is qualified enough ro whatever to becoem a councillor then they might aswell abolish the position because thats what both me and matt have been saying...not thatwe want to be one...get your facts straight newbie


, and you might be listened to! you obviously won't be listend to by anybody including our mr perfect councillor here because my little idiotic asswhole, you are just a stupid little newbie, whose been here less then a day and your opinion does nto count.

i'm sorry i had to rip you apart. you provoked me. just dont get involved. you knownothing.

god ihate newbies these days..always thinking they know everything...jeez

Look he's a new member and he has the right to express his opinion. I should freeze you for being a jackass to him. So aplogize to him please.

Wow...I didnt see that one coming

[Waiting]

Look he's a new member and he has the right to express his opinion. I should freeze you for being a jackass to him. So aplogize to him please.

Takes two to argue josh,
if your gonna freeze me then do it.
you know what im like, you know ive ben involved iin most of the fights on this place..but then again if your gonna freeze me, you should him to.

but i will not hand over an apology to him, so you might as well ban me for all i care, tall attacked me for no reason, came out of nowhere, so i took him apart. it was an arguemtn. its gonna happen.

quite frankly i think you just just do it. ban me get it over with. you wouldn't ban cody...so lets see if im as important as he is shall we?

meh im going on holiday soon, so it rreally doesnt matter.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

dont worry patch, josh probably wont even get around to reading this for another few days cuz hes so slow lol

[Kiros]

*coughs(suck up!) loudly* i think you should stay with computers...you are very taleneted in that field. you dont seem to be a counselor. in fact when people have problems in the depression forum you dont even respond! what a counselor. you know who always responds....HEATHER! for one thing and many others! but i have not once seen you try to help out them! so get rid of your job!

ya, i agree, that was the biggest admin suckup job ever. and ya kiros, i dunno who on earth would actually go to you for help, because there are a lot more experienced people to go to instead. the position is worthless, but ill tell u im not fighting against it just because i dont like u. the position itself is a bad idea, and no amount of person could ever fulfil it.

and dont freeze mute, he wasnt being a jackass at all. if you think what he did was being a jackass, why dont u just freeze 80% of all members as well for being jackasses. please.

... What? You think that no one comes to me for help?

...

:lol: Yeah, that's the biggest joke I've heard all year. My inbox is almost full of nothing but sessions. And plus, I've helped like 20 members - at leat - with their problems, and personally - not like you seem to do, and fight... Not only that kid, but I've helped about 10 teens locally and about 5 of them keep wanting to talk to me about something everyday. Not that you would know anything about that though... Oh yeah, and you think you're more experienced? HA! No.. really, you know absolutely nothing about experiences. I can tell from the way you act. From the way you want everything your way - you have no worries in the world because everything has to be taken care of by others and done the way you want it. The way you act sickens me...

And Austin? :shock: You think that I don't answer questions? Please point something out to me that was blatently passed up by me and wasn't answered enough already? Hmmm? Can you? Didn't think so. It's because I try my best to answer every single question and address every issue that comes up - and if someone has already stated most of what I was going to say, then why bother spamming? (Not that you or Matt would stop spamming) And Heather.... She really is the best moderator out there. I probably won't ever be able to compare to her, but that doesn't mean I don't try. ...Yeah, whyyy in the world would a counselor actually try? :roll:

Suckup? I told him awesome job... ô.o So apparently I can no longer go around congradgulating people without being called suck up?

OK, so what's the count now? 6-8 Yes and 2 No? Something like that...

Anyway, I said I was going to stay out of this, and I will, as long as people quit bashing me and just state their view on the abolishment... :|

Thx

[-Silence]

3 No's.

I believe it should stay, what's it hurting?
We don't know who comes to him for help, if he didn't have the position people wouldn't know who to come to. They would feel lost and out of place, having a counselor comforts them.

And also, I believe Kiros is an excellent person for it. He's very kind to everyone, and has alot of good stuff to say.

That's all. :)



And please you guys, stop bringing me into this. :?

[nwshc]

The only reason I can think of why anyone would want to abolish the counselor position is jealousy.
Exactly!
When people see the Counselor picture, they see that they can go to that person with their problems, and they will be helped in some way shape, or form. The Counselor position mean that, that person can help, and is very good at helping.
I do think Kiros is doing an excellent job, and for anyone to think otherwise, you know nothing. You do not know what goes on through PMs, Aim, MSN, etc.
:idea: Matt, I'm sorry, but your little hate list is fucking retarded. All of a sudden Austin is off that list, and now kiros is on it because you have a "grudge" against him. That's childish. You shouldn't even have a list at all.

Keep the Counselor position.

[///James///]

im locking this for a while, 2 have been frozen/banned, im just keeping it cool for the moment anyway