should we be talking to the Taliban?

[britishboy]

should we be talking to the Taliban? I think NO and instead we should launch a massive offensive to get did of them or to avoid civilian casualties, the SAS and Navy Seals could team up and wipe them out, theyre by far the best special forces in the world, why shouldnt we use them?

[Harry Smith]

ok.

The Taliban is spread across Pakistan and Afghanistan, it's not as simple as the SAS and the navy seals jumping in a taking them out, if it was then we would of done that back in 2001. Your rather silly if you think warfare is that simple

The Taliban are on the streets on Afghanistan, every time an airstrike kills their children they join the Taliban, when a British solider burns down their farm they join the Taliban. When the US army torture their brother they join the taliban.

It's like the Viet cong all over again. You can't simply shoot away the taliban

A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on.

[britishboy]

When the US army torture their brother

what? and actually the general Afghan public are against them, they protested when they announced that theyre going to be talking

[Harry Smith]

what? and actually the general Afghan public are against them, they protested when they announced that theyre going to be talking

I'm saying that we're pushing people towards the Taliban, murder never looks good. There have been examples of the US military killing innocent Afghan civilians, this means people will come to resent the US and grow closer to one group who are opposed to the US.

I'm sure many south Vietnamese citizens did the same back in the 70's, it doesn't mean the whole of Afghanistan opposes the Taliban does it?

[britishboy]

I'm saying that we're pushing people towards the Taliban, murder never looks good. There have been examples of the US military killing innocent Afghan civilians, this means people will come to resent the US and grow closer to one group who are opposed to the US.

I'm sure many south Vietnamese citizens did the same back in the 70's, it doesn't mean the whole of Afghanistan opposes the Taliban does it?

to be honest it was alot worse while the Taliban was running the show, now the people have freedoms, I think they would just be annoyed the whole country is a battle field

[Harry Smith]

to be honest it was alot worse while the Taliban was running the show, now the people have freedoms, I think they would just be annoyed the whole country is a battle field

And who caused that? Freedom isn't this magical thing, we've fucked Afghanistan over for the next 20 years

[Walter Powers]

No. And I agree, we need to attack them and finish them off, this has gone on way too long! I understand that it'll take a lot of intelligence and strategy, but if we devote more forces to it, we'll be more effective.

[Sir Suomi]

No. We kill them all. And we show no mercy.

[Southside]

should we be talking to the Taliban? I think NO and instead we should launch a massive offensive to get did of them or to avoid civilian casualties, the SAS and Navy Seals could team up and wipe them out, theyre by far the best special forces in the world, why shouldnt we use them?

As Harry said, everytime we kill a innocent civilian, their family member or fellow villager joins the Taliban. I'm tired of seeing this bullshit on the news that all of the Taliban are Jihadist or "Anti-American" some of them are truly guys who are fed up that their fellow innocent countrymen are dying from a foreign army. No one wants their homeland to be invaded by people thousands of miles away, im not sympathizing the Taliban but its the truth. If a foriegn country invaded the UK wouldnt you want to join some type of resistance force? Answer honestly.

[Walter Powers]

And who caused that? Freedom isn't this magical thing, we've fucked Afghanistan over for the next 20 years

You think that they'd be better off had we done nothing and the Taliban was still in charge?

[TheBigUnit]

should we be talking to the Taliban? I think NO and instead we should launch a massive offensive to get did of them or to avoid civilian casualties, the SAS and Navy Seals could team up and wipe them out, theyre by far the best special forces in the world, why shouldnt we use them?

This sounds really unrealistic like some far fetching movie and having m night shyamalan direct it

No. And I agree, we need to attack them and finish them off, this has gone on way too long! I understand that it'll take a lot of intelligence and strategy, but if we devote more forces to it, we'll be more effective.

How do we just finish them off?

You think that they'd be better off had we done nothing and the Taliban was still in charge?
Yes actually just like how many in iraq prefer saddam hussein to todays world

[Walter Powers]

This sounds really unrealistic like some far fetching movie and having m night shyamalan direct it



How do we just finish them off?


Yes actually just like how many in iraq prefer saddam hussein to todays world

By that logic America shouldn't have fought it's revolution to stand up to tyranny. But that logic we shouldn't have fought the civil war to free the slaves. By that logic we shouldn't have got involved in WWII, in which case all of Europe would probably be under tyranny, if not even more of the world. That's beyond crazy.

[Korashk]

By that logic America shouldn't have fought it's revolution to stand up to tyranny. But that logic we shouldn't have fought the civil war to free the slaves. By that logic we shouldn't have got involved in WWII, in which case all of Europe! That's beyond crazy.
You are talking nonsense right now. Nothing you just said is logical or related to the topic at hand or the post you responded to.

Also, America shouldn't have started the American Civil War or participated in WWII. If you want to discuss it more one of us can make a thread.

[Sir Suomi]

You are talking nonsense right now. Nothing you just said is logical or related to the topic at hand or the post you responded to.

Also, America shouldn't have started the American Civil War or participated in WWII. If you want to discuss it more one of us can make a thread.

Ah, enlighten me on why we should not have participated in World War II. This has got to be good.

[Walter Powers]

You are talking nonsense right now. Nothing you just said is logical or related to the topic at hand or the post you responded to.

Also, America shouldn't have started the American Civil War or participated in WWII. If you want to discuss it more one of us can make a thread.

You are more then welcome to make a thread about it. This must be interesting. Be warned that this idea will be extremely unpopular, given the fact the Brits on here would likely be controlled by Nazis if it weren't for our intervention!

[Zelder]

Yeah I think it's okay if we can learn to settle our differences it'd be great to talk; less people would die.

[Magical]

By that logic America shouldn't have fought it's revolution to stand up to tyranny. But that logic we shouldn't have fought the civil war to free the slaves. By that logic we shouldn't have got involved in WWII, in which case all of Europe would probably be under tyranny, if not even more of the world. That's beyond crazy.

Hi.

Just saying, you might want to actually reply to the guy. Not just going on some tangent.

Good idea, yeah?

How are you going to magically kill off the Taliban? Nuke the Middle East?

[britishboy]

No. And I agree, we need to attack them and finish them off, this has gone on way too long! I understand that it'll take a lot of intelligence and strategy, but if we devote more forces to it, we'll be more effective.
I agree, we're focusing too much on rebuilding and withdrawing, with them still there, we should launch a massive offensive, search every town top to bottom and use intelligence to find and wipe them out
No. We kill them all. And we show no mercy.
I agree, they shown us no mercy!
As Harry said, everytime we kill a innocent civilian, their family member or fellow villager joins the Taliban. I'm tired of seeing this bullshit on the news that all of the Taliban are Jihadist or "Anti-American" some of them are truly guys who are fed up that their fellow innocent countrymen are dying from a foreign army. No one wants their homeland to be invaded by people thousands of miles away, im not sympathizing the Taliban but its the truth. If a foriegn country invaded the UK wouldnt you want to join some type of resistance force? Answer honestly.
to answer your question honestly, yes I would join resistance

but if my dad had been tortured and killed for disrespecting the Taliban, if my mother was stoned to death for showing skin and my sister was raped and is now pregnant with the Talibans baby and the invader was getting rid of that, I would help the invader! would you not?
This sounds really unrealistic like some far fetching movie and having m night shyamalan direct it
I was exaggerating but we can launch a massive offensive and kill them all, do you really want to be beaten by the Taliban whrn you spend 1 billion on defense, a day?



How do we just finish them off?


Yes actually just like how many in iraq prefer saddam hussein to todays world

You are talking nonsense right now. Nothing you just said is logical or related to the topic at hand or the post you responded to.

Also, America shouldn't have started the American Civil War or participated in WWII. If you want to discuss it more one of us can make a thread.

[Korashk]

but if my dad had been tortured and killed for disrespecting the Taliban, if my mother was stoned to death for showing skin and my sister was raped and is now pregnant with the Talibans baby and the invader was getting rid of that, I would help the invader! would you not?
Yeah, I probably would. Until that invader kills my entire village with a drone to take out one guy who might be associated with some terrorist organization or another. Then I might realize that the invader doesn't want to help me and is actually worse for my country than the murderous dictator that they got rid of.

[britishboy]

Yeah, I probably would. Until that invader kills my entire village with a drone to take out one guy who might be associated with some terrorist organization or another. Then I might realize that the invader doesn't want to help me and is actually worse for my country than the murderous dictator that they got rid of.

do you know what its like living under the Taliban? and how comes there was protests after America announced that they will be talking? us talking is practically a surrender

[Harry Smith]

do you know what its like living under the Taliban? and how comes there was protests after America announced that they will be talking? us talking is practically a surrender

Do you know what its life living under the Taliban?

How is it a surrender at all, this is just you using rash language again, as said above the NATO lead forces have also done a lot of damage and aren't popular. The government in charge is no-more corrupt than the Taliban.

Also Saudi Arabia has very similar laws about women, why don't we invade them to get democracy for the Saudi people?

[removeddddd]

Most people in Afghanistan hate the west more than they do the Taliban and also if there is talks the Taliban could be lying through their ass

[TheBigUnit]

By that logic America shouldn't have fought it's revolution to stand up to tyranny. But that logic we shouldn't have fought the civil war to free the slaves. By that logic we shouldn't have got involved in WWII, in which case all of Europe would probably be under tyranny, if not even more of the world. That's beyond crazy.

What are you talking about? Iraqi society today is so messed up there is no stability what so ever the corruption is through the roof many prefer an iron fisted dictator than a life where you have to defend yourself there are bombs still going off, do you think people had to worry about car bombs when saddam waa here?

Ah, enlighten me on why we should not have participated in World War II. This has got to be good.

Hes just giving an example

[britishboy]

Also Saudi Arabia has very similar laws about women, why don't we invade them to get democracy for the Saudi people?

sorry, remind me when did they last fly a plane into a building? the only ever thing to invoke article 5 of NATO?

What are you talking about? Iraqi society today is so messed up there is no stability what so ever the corruption is through the roof many prefer an iron fisted dictator than a life where you have to defend yourself there are bombs still going off, do you think people had to worry about car bombs when saddam waa here?



Hes just giving an example

so you would rather live under a dictatorship?


Merged double post. -StoppingTime

[TheBigUnit]

so you would rather live under a dictatorship?

Yes any day, iraq was actually "working" back then, never have to feel too scared just walking outside

[Harry Smith]

sorry, remind me when did they last fly a plane into a building? the only ever thing to invoke article 5 of NATO?


Bin Laden is a member of the Saudi royal family, you know the guy who planned it.

Don't use the bullshit argument of womens right/ democracy when Saudi Arabia is just the same as Taliban-lead Afghanistan. Either agree with an invasion of Saudi Arabia or back away from your human rights justification

so you would rather live under a dictatorship?

I'd rather live as a westerner in China comapred to Somalia, you can't just assume that every democracy is perfect-see Somalia

[STEALTHy]

Well the fact is the USA is leaving in 2014 and when they go almost everyone else will go. All that will remain are about 11 bases to act as staging areas when we decide to invade Iran.

[Southside]

sorry, remind me when did they last fly a plane into a building? the only ever thing to invoke article 5 of NATO?

Fuck NATO..

The Bin Laden family was very very close with the Saudi Royal family. Some of the companies who were based in the World Trade towers who lost property and employees have sued the Saudi royal family because of the ties between them and the Bin Laden family.

I'd like you to watch 3:00 to 3:45 of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IILPGgrUbAw

You wont say shit to Saudi royal family, they have one of most authoritarian governments in the world. Women cant drive over there, women cant do sports or go to gym, you can get executed for being gay or doing drugs over there. You can get beheaded for even having a Bible or other religious artifacts other than the Qu'ran.

I don't see you complaining about those guys.....Were sucking tons of Saudi & Qatari cock for oil...Stop being a hypocrite

[Harry Smith]

The Bin Laden family was very very close with the Saudi Royal family. Some of the companies who were based in the World Trade towers who lost property and employees have sued the Saudi royal family because of the ties between them and the Bin Laden family.

I'd like you to watch 3:00 to 3:45 of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IILPGgrUbAw

You wont say shit to Saudi royal family, they have one of most authoritarian governments in the world. Women cant drive over there, women cant do sports or go to gym, you can get executed for being gay or doing drugs over there. You can get beheaded for even having a Bible or other religious artifacts other than the Qu'ran.

I don't see you complaining about those guys.....Were sucking tons of Saudi & Qatari cock for oil...Stop being a hypocrite

100% agree with that, you can't use the argument of human rights abuse to justify saying that when we're in bed with the Saudi's who have pretty horrific human rights records and do not hold any elections

[britishboy]

Don't use the bullshit argument of womens right/ democracy when Saudi Arabia is just the same as Taliban-lead Afghanistan. Either agree with an invasion of Saudi Arabia or back away from your human rights justification

what im saying is who would the people favor? and I have nothing against the invasion of Saudi Arabia

[Southside]

what im saying is who would the people favor? and I have nothing against the invasion of Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia of course because of their oil and wealth. The amount of Saudi dick we suck is sickening

[britishboy]

Saudi Arabia of course because of their oil and wealth. The amount of Saudi dick we suck is sickening

I agree with that Obama bowed to the leader!

[Harry Smith]

what im saying is who would the people favor? and I have nothing against the invasion of Saudi Arabia

Well the problem is that the NATO haven't been very favorable to the people of afganistan, we've burned down their crops, installed corrupt politicians and bombed innocent civilians. It's just like vietnam

[Pierce]

ok.

The Taliban is spread across Pakistan and Afghanistan, it's not as simple as the SAS and the navy seals jumping in a taking them out, if it was then we would of done that back in 2001. Your rather silly if you think warfare is that simple

The Taliban are on the streets on Afghanistan, every time an airstrike kills their children they join the Taliban, when a British solider burns down their farm they join the Taliban. When the US army torture their brother they join the taliban.

It's like the Viet cong all over again. You can't simply shoot away the taliban

I couldn't have said it better. When the U.S kills a Taliban member they create two more. You cannot simply put soldiers on the ground and have them run through a country killing anyone who they BELIEVE to be in the Taliban. Other's watch their brother or father, and unfortunately sometimes their own children, get killed by the U.S military and join the Taliban. Your approach is extremely foolish and would create more danger for the U.S than safety.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

Personally, I think the people running our government have no idea what they are doing. We are WAY too involved over there. The war has lasted too long and nothing is getting done.

And to the person who said the US shouldn't have been in WWII, have you not heard of the bombing of Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941? I think the US had plenty of reason to go to war.

[tovaris]

Afcors you should talk to them, talk about your surender and retret. They and their actions are a local mather not to be interfered by W block (who created them) or E block under no circumstances.

[Harry Smith]

Afcors you should talk to them, talk about your surender and retret. They and their actions are a local mather not to be interfered by W block (who created them) or E block under no circumstances.

The western block didn't create the Taliban one bit

[tovaris]

The western block didn't create the Taliban one bit

Ok ill be more specific.
The USA created them

[britishboy]

Ok ill be more specific.
The USA created them

no, theyre religious extremists and was always there, only now they attack the west

[Harry Smith]

Ok ill be more specific.
The USA created them

The USA didn't create the Taliban, the Taliban was started in 1994. The war in Afghanistan ended in 1989, the CIA didn't support the political wing, neither did they provide them with financial or military aid.

Your thinking of the mujaheddin, who were very different to the Taliban. The Mujaheddin weren't a political party, they were a loosely tied mix of militia's across Afghanistan in the 1980's. This is just you trying to smear the west as always!

[tovaris]

no, theyre religious extremists and was always there, only now they attack the west

It went like this:
The CIA came and gave them wepons but in return they were suposed to wear theis sighn in because they were their sponsors, but after using the wepons refuzed to wear the cia sign the cia atacked them and now thy are at war.

The USA didn't create the Taliban, the Taliban was started in 1994. The war in Afghanistan ended in 1989, the CIA didn't support the political wing, neither did they provide them with financial or military aid.

Your thinking of the mujaheddin, who were very different to the Taliban. The Mujaheddin weren't a political party, they were a loosely tied mix of militia's across Afghanistan in the 1980's. This is just you trying to smear the west as always!

This is fact the , historical fact the mihadjedin started the talibam with ade from?...?


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Harry Smith]

This is fact the , historical fact the mihadjedin started the talibam with ade from?...?

The Mujaheddin didn't start the Taliban since the mujaheddin didn't have a central leadership, it's a rather vague term to describe the groups fighting the soviets.

The CIA proved funding to the mujaheddin, not the Taliban. So do you withdraw your comment?

[tovaris]

The Mujaheddin didn't start the Taliban since the mujaheddin didn't have a central leadership, it's a rather vague term to describe the groups fighting the soviets.

The CIA proved funding to the mujaheddin, not the Taliban. So do you withdraw your comment?

NO
If you provied ade to Musolini (who enspired founded and in a way gave Hitler the fimal shape) you provided ade to Hitler to.
This is the same thing, besides this are only oficial relises of data to whom cia gave help... there is a lot the man isnt teling us

[Harry Smith]

NO
If you provied ade to Musolini (who enspired founded and in a way gave Hitler the fimal shape) you provided ade to Hitler to.
This is the same thing, besides this are only oficial relises of data to whom cia gave help... there is a lot the man isnt teling us

Actually Hitler didn't base his rise on Mussolini at all, he used Mussolini based tactics in 1923 and the coup failed. He was on very hostile relations when he came into power in 1933 because of Austria.

The man?

The Cia didn't create the Taliban, the Taliban were created in 1994. The CIA was out of Afghanistan 6 years earlier, you don't have a single shred of evidence that the CIA provided funding to the Taliban party or that they helped them into power do you?

It's a stupid myth.

Also the CIA don't have a sign, they work in the shadows. You don't wear a big badge saying I work for the CIA

[Stronk Serb]

The CIA funded what would become the Taliban. Countless resistance groups fighting the Soviets were armed, the reason there are tons of Stinger missiles in the Middle East is because of the CIA supplying them to the Mujaheddin fighters. Yes, do talks, back away, stop wasting your men, stop fucking up the country. There is nothing of value for your interests, let the country have another revolution and choose their government. If NATO is actually pro-human rights, invade Saudi Arabia, and install a system of equality.

[Aerobinator]

I dont believe in the Taliban. Was just a small chesspiece moving forward one step on a massive board. All part of the Illuminati plan.

[Harry Smith]

I dont believe in the Taliban. Was just a small chesspiece moving forward one step on a massive board. All part of the Illuminati plan.

I hope your joking

[Human]

I think if it was as easy as that to wipe out the Taliban we already would have done it... If we can talk to them and get them to compromise then great, but if we can't then the West unfortunately, however morally right it may seem to us, we can't just barge in on their politics and force them to change.

And yes, like Comrade Mike said, terrorist groups and the Taliban are militarily powerful as in the past the CIA has armed them to defeat the Soviets (I believe).

[britishboy]

The CIA funded what would become the Taliban. Countless resistance groups fighting the Soviets were armed, the reason there are tons of Stinger missiles in the Middle East is because of the CIA supplying them to the Mujaheddin fighters. Yes, do talks, back away, stop wasting your men, stop fucking up the country. There is nothing of value for your interests, let the country have another revolution and choose their government. If NATO is actually pro-human rights, invade Saudi Arabia, and install a system of equality.

they are pro human rights, but you cant invade half the world at once and they didn't invade for human rights, they didn't invaded because of human rights, they invaded because of 9/11

[Harry Smith]

they are pro human rights, but you cant invade half the world at once and they didn't invade for human rights, they didn't invaded because of human rights, they invaded because of 9/11

Then why are they still there? 9/11 happened 12 years ago.

[britishboy]

Then why are they still there? 9/11 happened 12 years ago.

because they haven't got rid of them, and now we're focusing resources on stuff on parliament, their police and democracy, resources that could be bringing the war to a close

[Harry Smith]

because they haven't got rid of them, and now we're focusing resources on stuff on parliament, their police and democracy, resources that could be bringing the war to a close

The war to a close? The country needs a parliament, a police and a democracy to function. We can't stay their for the next 50 years. Saying that both the police and parliament are corrupt. You've got afghan police who are on are side shooting us-that's when we leave


The Soviet Union back in 80's couldn't defeat them, heck the British back in the 1800's got fucked in Afghanistan. It's the worse place in the earth to fight, you could deploy the whole of the British Army and still not win.

The Taliban don't wear uniforms, we can't simply launch a massive offensive costing millions because we have no idea where they are

[britishboy]

I hope your joking

who are the Illuminati?

The war to a close? The country needs a parliament, a police and a democracy to function. We can't stay their for the next 50 years. Saying that both the police and parliament are corrupt. You've got afghan police who are on are side shooting us-that's when we leave


The Soviet Union back in 80's couldn't defeat them, heck the British back in the 1800's got fucked in Afghanistan. It's the worse place in the earth to fight, you could deploy the whole of the British Army and still not win.

The Taliban don't wear uniforms, we can't simply launch a massive offensive costing millions because we have no idea where they are

thats the problem, with the Taliban, invisible, im not denying it will be hard but together we can do a bloody good job in bringing down numbers and moral

I cant stand the police force thing, I'm not in support of it

[Harry Smith]

thats the problem, with the Taliban, invisible, im not denying it will be hard but together we can do a bloody good job in bringing down numbers and moral

I cant stand the police force thing, I'm not in support of it

So we should leave Afghanistan without a police force, that will make us popular.

We've been trying to do a bloody good job for the last 13 years and it hasn't worked at all. The Taliban know how to fight us, they pick there battles. Any offensive would mean British troops dead, and for what?

Warfare isn't as simple as saying- kill the Taliban. This is why war should be left to generals who actually know what they're doing

[Walter Powers]

So we should leave Afghanistan without a police force, that will make us popular.

We've been trying to do a bloody good job for the last 13 years and it hasn't worked at all. The Taliban know how to fight us, they pick there battles. Any offensive would mean British troops dead, and for what?

Warfare isn't as simple as saying- kill the Taliban. This is why war should be left to generals who actually know what they're doing

Wow, that's like the exact opposite of what the liberals in America say.

[CharlieHorse]

why not? maybe there's some nice people to talk to. crack a few jokes, idk make a friend or two.

[Walter Powers]

should we be talking to the Taliban? I think NO and instead we should launch a massive offensive to get did of them or to avoid civilian casualties, the SAS and Navy Seals could team up and wipe them out, theyre by far the best special forces in the world, why shouldnt we use them?

http://absolute-truths.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/cartoon-Obama-and-FOX-news2.bmp

I think His Excellency might disagree with you here, Jack!

[Stronk Serb]

they are pro human rights, but you cant invade half the world at once and they didn't invade for human rights, they didn't invaded because of human rights, they invaded because of 9/11

But the US in the last 60 years actually invaded half of the world.

because they haven't got rid of them, and now we're focusing resources on stuff on parliament, their police and democracy, resources that could be bringing the war to a close

You will end the war by killing everyone in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that way nobody else will be able to join. You will have to resort to genocide to stop the Taliban

who are the Illuminati?



thats the problem, with the Taliban, invisible, im not denying it will be hard but together we can do a bloody good job in bringing down numbers and moral

I cant stand the police force thing, I'm not in support of it

For every Taliban killed, 2 more will take his place, it is an endless circle.

image (http://absolute-truths.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/cartoon-Obama-and-FOX-news2.bmp)

I think His Excellency might disagree with you here, Jack!

Honestly, what liberal/democrat politician would want a meeting with some unimportant some Fox News interviewer. And if you keep shooting the Taliban, you will double increase their numbers and morale.

[Harry Smith]

Wow, that's like the exact opposite of what the liberals in America say.

Am I a liberal in America?

The situation in Afganistan is turning into Vietnam. We've installed a rather corrupt un-loyal government and we're fighting in terrain which doesn't suit our style of fighting.

There is no miracle military solution, we can't simply send in the SAS to wipe out the Taliban

[Left Now]

As I know,Taliban is originally Saudi Arabian Jihadists group who were sent by Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan and Pakistan to fight with Soviets and during the invasion of USSR,they were supported by anti-communists (Specially USA and UK).

After Soviets left the area,Taliban itself gained the main power of strategical parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan,and because they were Jihadists (Jihadists are extremist Sunni Muslims who fight everyone who is not a Muslim;They only know themselves muslims,so they will kill both non-muslims and other Muslims who are against their cause;"For example Shia Muslims (In major Iranians) and other Sunni Muslims) They started to kill innocent people in Iran,Afghanistan,Pakistan and Iraq.

After that,their relations got worse with other non-Muslim countries specially USA,and in 2001 the 11th of September incident happened.

[Harry Smith]

As I know,Taliban is originally Saudi Arabian Jihadists group who were sent by Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan and Pakistan to fight with Soviets and during the invasion of USSR,they were supported by anti-communists (Specially USA and UK).

After Soviets left the area,Taliban itself gained the main power of strategical parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan,and because they were Jihadists (Jihadists are extremist Sunni Muslims who fight everyone who is not a Muslim;They only know themselves muslims,so they will kill both non-muslims and other Muslims who are against their cause;"For example Shia Muslims (In major Iranians) and other Sunni Muslims) They started to kill innocent people in Iran,Afghanistan,Pakistan and Iraq.

After that,their relations got worse with other non-Muslim countries specially USA,and in 2001 the 11th of September incident happened.

The Taliban never fought the Russians. They Taliban were founded in 1994. 5 years after the last soviet troops left the country

[Left Now]

The Taliban never fought the Russians. They Taliban were founded in 1994. 5 years after the last soviet troops left the country

Taliban is based on Jihadist groups who were sent to Afghanistan to fight with USSR;Didn't you read this part of my post?


After Soviets left the area,Taliban itself gained the main power of strategical parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan

The arabian Jihadists who fought USSR in Afghanistan,gained power in the area during 1990 - 1994 and founded "Taliban"

The name of their group is coming from the Arabic plural form of word "Talib" means "Student" and Taliban means "Students";and the reason is because they believed that with fighting with soviets they are studying in the main school of Islam.

[EternalSadness]

A war that isn't on your doorstep is a good way to make money and get what you want by helping those who have similar interests. Personally, no, I'm against it, but there's still support going to the same terrorist groups harming us in other parts of the world so it's a messed up situation.

[Cygnus]

Yes, if a mutual agreement is reached it could save a bunch of lives, no one wins in a war after all. The difficult part is reaching an agreement.

[britishboy]

Yes, if a mutual agreement is reached it could save a bunch of lives, no one wins in a war after all. The difficult part is reaching an agreement.

you should note that the Taliban is not an army, its very do what you want

[Castle of Glass]

you should note that the Taliban is not an army, its very do what you want

yea, the Taliban is not a formal army, but it is a guerrilla army. It still has leaders. so you can talk to the leaders.

[britishboy]

yea, the Taliban is not a formal army, but it is a guerrilla army. It still has leaders. so you can talk to the leaders.

they will ignore the leaders, maybe kill them for being traitors, US soilders have already died after the Taliban agreed to talk

[Stronk Serb]

they will ignore the leaders, maybe kill them for being traitors, US soilders have already died after the Taliban agreed to talk

If an agreement is made that the Taliban stop their attacks, and in return the NATO forces clear out. That is a fair agreement.

[Sir Suomi]

If an agreement is made that the Taliban stop their attacks, and in return the NATO forces clear out. That is a fair agreement.

Yeah, because that'll work. You do realize that the it's not going to stop the bombings, the Islamic radical armed forces from attacking, and other things? And if we don't keep a presence over there, it's highly likely that the Taliban and other radical groups from taking back power in countries like Afghanistan? Face it. Negotiation will not work. The only way to deal with them is to completely annihilate their military structure, which we have already dealt multiple blows to, and make it to the point where it's almost impossible to continue engaging our forces.

[Stronk Serb]

Yeah, because that'll work. You do realize that the it's not going to stop the bombings, the Islamic radical armed forces from attacking, and other things? And if we don't keep a presence over there, it's highly likely that the Taliban and other radical groups from taking back power in countries like Afghanistan? Face it. Negotiation will not work. The only way to deal with them is to completely annihilate their military structure, which we have already dealt multiple blows to, and make it to the point where it's almost impossible to continue engaging our forces.

For every Taliban you kill, 2 will take his place, unless you plan on reducing the populations of Pakistan and Afghanistan to a mere few thousand, that is a bad solution.

[britishboy]

For every Taliban you kill, 2 will take his place, unless you plan on reducing the populations of Pakistan and Afghanistan to a mere few thousand, that is a bad solution.

actually most Afghanis hate the Taliban, do you not think its embarrassing for NATO who was formed to destroy Soviet Russia being beaten by racists with cloths on their heads? everyone that joins should be killed, eventually people will stop joining, not that many actually join, most Muslims are peaceful, few are terrorists

Yeah, because that'll work. You do realize that the it's not going to stop the bombings, the Islamic radical armed forces from attacking, and other things? And if we don't keep a presence over there, it's highly likely that the Taliban and other radical groups from taking back power in countries like Afghanistan? Face it. Negotiation will not work. The only way to deal with them is to completely annihilate their military structure, which we have already dealt multiple blows to, and make it to the point where it's almost impossible to continue engaging our forces.

I completely agree!!! you should be president!

[Stronk Serb]

actually most Afghanis hate the Taliban, do you not think its embarrassing for NATO who was formed to destroy Soviet Russia being beaten by racists with cloths on their heads? everyone that joins should be killed, eventually people will stop joining, not that many actually join, most Muslims are peaceful, few are terrorists



I completely agree!!! you should be president!

NATO was made to combat the organised Red Army, not guerrilla fighters who are increasing in numbers with every dead fighter. So, to make you understand it, you are a worker, China occupies the UK. They kill half of your family. You will join the resistance just to fight them, not caring it your family died by accident, or on purpose, you would arm yourself and fight them. Same goes for the Taliban. If they did not take new members at an alarming rate, I am pretty sure they would be disbanded.

[britishboy]

NATO was made to combat the organised Red Army, not guerrilla fighters who are increasing in numbers with every dead fighter. So, to make you understand it, you are a worker, China occupies the UK. They kill half of your family. You will join the resistance just to fight them, not caring it your family died by accident, or on purpose, you would arm yourself and fight them. Same goes for the Taliban. If they did not take new members at an alarming rate, I am pretty sure they would be disbanded.

if the UK introduced laws that the Taliban want, and we was to be invaded by Australia, I would fight for Australia! do you think German workers hated the allies even when they was much more heavily bombed?

[Stronk Serb]

if the UK introduced laws that the Taliban want, and we was to be invaded by Australia, I would fight for Australia! do you think German workers hated the allies even when they was much more heavily bombed?

The Germans did not have any law changes, except the Jews were full citizens now. They view you as invaders. The real meaning of the word. NATO bombings killed civilians, and the family members of those civilians, having enough that they are bombed every day, went to join the Taliban, to fight off the NATO menace.

[britishboy]

The Germans did not have any law changes, except the Jews were full citizens now. They view you as invaders. The real meaning of the word. NATO bombings killed civilians, and the family members of those civilians, having enough that they are bombed every day, went to join the Taliban, to fight off the NATO menace.

actually no, your wrong, I seen a programan Yemen and they have drone strikes everyday, they hate the strikes and say 'we wish the Americas could fight in another way' but never think of fighting

[zac zohla]

should we be talking to the Taliban? I think NO and instead we should launch a massive offensive to get did of them or to avoid civilian casualties, the SAS and Navy Seals could team up and wipe them out, theyre by far the best special forces in the world, why shouldnt we use them?

First of all GSG9 or KSK could wipe SAS or the American SEALs.
secondly: you war-mongering fuck! if there is a peaceful way to go about the Taliban, lets do it rather than the way in which hundreds of innocent people could die.

[zac zohla]

NATO was made to combat the organised Red Army, not guerrilla fighters who are increasing in numbers with every dead fighter. So, to make you understand it, you are a worker, China occupies the UK. They kill half of your family. You will join the resistance just to fight them, not caring it your family died by accident, or on purpose, you would arm yourself and fight them. Same goes for the Taliban. If they did not take new members at an alarming rate, I am pretty sure they would be disbanded.

NATO was created for Peace-making, not war.

[Stronk Serb]

actually no, your wrong, I seen a programan Yemen and they have drone strikes everyday, they hate the strikes and say 'we wish the Americas could fight in another way' but never think of fighting

Did they interview peasants? People from the countryside? People who see family as a pillar of enduring everything? If what you are saying is true, please tell me why did the Taliban numbers increase?

[britishboy]

Did they interview peasants? People from the countryside? People who see family as a pillar of enduring everything? If what you are saying is true, please tell me why did the Taliban numbers increase?
yes, people that fled because of the drones, they also want America to respect the country to deal with its own problem and for America to deal with it other wise, but they appeared to blame the bombings on the Taliban because 'without them I would live in peace' from what I gathered they had the Taliban for their evil and bring the fight to their country but wish America delt with the evil better
NATO was created for Peace-making, not war.

no, Soviet Union and the cold war made it, it was designed with the principal stronger together, it was designed to defeat the Soviets, nowadays also peace

[Stronk Serb]

NATO was created for Peace-making, not war.

Due to the growing Soviet war machine and it's influence on European communist countries, NATO was created, in case the Soviets cross the Iron Curtain, NATO would intervene and fight them back. I hardly see NATO peace missions that actually improve countries and contribute to world peace.

yes, people that fled because of the drones, they also want America to respect the country to deal with its own problem and for America to deal with it other wise, but they appeared to blame the bombings on the Taliban because 'without them I would live in peace' from what I gathered they had the Taliban for their evil and bring the fight to their country but wish America delt with the evil better


no, Soviet Union and the cold war made it, it was designed with the principal stronger together, it was designed to defeat the Soviets, nowadays also peace

That was a few. How many of them refused to or ran away when they saw the journalists with cameras and tape recorders?

[britishboy]

That was a few. How many of them refused to or ran away when they saw the journalists with cameras and tape recorders?

not sure, but few will support the Taliban, why support such people? move somewhere safe or help NATO

[Harry Smith]

actually most Afghanis hate the Taliban, do you not think its embarrassing for NATO who was formed to destroy Soviet Russia being beaten by racists with cloths on their heads? everyone that joins should be killed, eventually people will stop joining, not that many actually join, most Muslims are peaceful, few are terrorists



I completely agree!!! you should be president!

NATO wasn't created to destroy the Soviet Union at all. If so then NATO has very much failed, look at JFK's peace speeches- that shows the true aim of NATO.

I also don't think describing it as 'cloth on their head' is PC, that's the reason why the west are so useless in the middle east because we go over their and shit on their customs and culture.

Everyone who joins the Taliban should be killed? The Taliban is a political party, as mike has said that would require Genocide.

One word- Vietnam


yes, people that fled because of the drones, they also want America to respect the country to deal with its own problem and for America to deal with it other wise, but they appeared to blame the bombings on the Taliban because 'without them I would live in peace' from what I gathered they had the Taliban for their evil and bring the fight to their country but wish America delt with the evil better


no, Soviet Union and the cold war made it, it was designed with the principal stronger together, it was designed to defeat the Soviets, nowadays also peace

The Taliban aren't in Yemen as such, it's more a splinter Al-Qaeda group

not sure, but few will support the Taliban, why support such people? move somewhere safe or help NATO

Why would they help NATO when we've installed a corrupt puppet lead government, burnt down their crops and massacred their civilians

[tovaris]

Everyone who joins the Taliban should be killed? The Taliban is a political party, as mike has said that would require Genocide.



I agre. We must remember human rights, like the right to free asembely.

[Southside]

not sure, but few will support the Taliban, why support such people? move somewhere safe or help NATO

Why support NATO who has killed thousands of innocents in airstrikes and drone strikes?

Why support NATO who has installed a corrupt government?

Why support NATO who is occupying these people's homeland?

Some of those Taliban members are just fighting to get invaders off their home soil. Whats wrong with that?

[Kameraden]

Some of those Taliban members are just fighting to get invaders off their home soil. Whats wrong with that?

So if I killed blacks on sight to get them off traditionally white soil, you'd be cool with it?

[Southside]

So if I killed blacks on sight to get them off traditionally white soil, you'd be cool with it?

America isn't traditionally white soil, last time I checked the Native Americans are "traditional" people on this piece of land. Though to answer your question, no

My turn now..

If China built an air base in your backyard, how would you feel? Wouldn't you want to retaliate?

If your innocent mom or grandmother was killed in airstrike by a foreign military, how would you feel?

If a foreign army was doing patrols and house raids in your neighborhood, would you retaliate?

If the US was invaded by China or Russia, wouldn't you join a resistance group?

[Stronk Serb]

not sure, but few will support the Taliban, why support such people? move somewhere safe or help NATO

Because you came and took a shit on their customs and traditions. You came and installed a puppet government which is useless. You came and killed civilians, be it on purpose or accidentally, the people who join the Taliban don't care. They see you as an invader who is destroying their centuries old traditions and customs. They see nothing good in you.

[britishboy]

Because you came and took a shit on their customs and traditions. You came and installed a puppet government which is useless. You came and killed civilians, be it on purpose or accidentally, the people who join the Taliban don't care. They see you as an invader who is destroying their centuries old traditions and customs. They see nothing good in you.

why would you support people you hate? the Taliban are the national enemy! yes NATO should be less trigger happy but your also ignoring the protests that kicked off in Afghanistan after the US announced talks! did you hear of the school girl whos bus was blown up and shot in the head in an assassination attempt? she was rushed to the UK for emergency surgery to save her life, she survied and now makes brilliant speeches in the UN on life with the Taliban

most Afghans dont like the bombing policy but hate and fear going back to Taliban rule

[Left Now]

why would you support people you hate? the Taliban are the national enemy! yes NATO should be less trigger happy but your also ignoring the protests that kicked off in Afghanistan after the US announced talks! did you hear of the school girl whos bus was blown up and shot in the head in an assassination attempt? she was rushed to the UK for emergency surgery to save her life, she survied and now makes brilliant speeches in the UN on life with the Taliban

most Afghans dont like the bombing policy but hate and fear going back to Taliban rule

They are now using Islamic Republic system in their country,which can save their traditions and bring liberty to them meanwhile;The only ban in their way now,is existence of NATO in there.

Also,exporting drugs from Afghanistan to other countries has increased dramatically since the NATO occupation.Any day we can hear our border guards are getting killed in borders while they are fighting drug dealers.

[britishboy]

They are now using Islamic Republic system in their country,which can save their traditions and bring liberty to them meanwhile;The only ban in their way now,is existence of NATO in there.

Also,exporting drugs from Afghanistan to other countries has increased dramatically since the NATO occupation.Any day we can hear our border guards are getting killed in borders while they are fighting drug dealers.

their system is fine, girls go to school and human rights are there

drugs will go up, after the crackdown on drugs from Columbia and the Caribbean, the drugs will be made in other hot countries with a weak police force. why are the guards getting killed?

whats youe opinion on this? should we talk to the Taliban?

[Left Now]

their system is fine, girls go to school and human rights are there

drugs will go up, after the crackdown on drugs from Columbia and the Caribbean, the drugs will be made in other hot countries with a weak police force. why are the guards getting killed?

whats youe opinion on this? should we talk to the Taliban?


Why should you really talk to them?They do not agree,these is why we call them "Takfiri"!They will only deny.

[britishboy]

Why should you really talk to them?They do not agree,these is why we call them "Takfiri"!They will only deny.

then we're in agreement, how do you think they should be delt with?

[Left Now]

then we're in agreement, how do you think they should be delt with?

They have to be left to Muslims,then we now how to deal with them.

[tovaris]

So if I killed blacks on sight to get them off traditionally white soil, you'd be cool with it?

Americal soil originaly belonges tothe mongoloid race

[Kameraden]

America isn't traditionally white soil, last time I checked the Native Americans are "traditional" people on this piece of land. Though to answer your question, no

My turn now..

If China built an air base in your backyard, how would you feel? Wouldn't you want to retaliate?

If your innocent mom or grandmother was killed in airstrike by a foreign military, how would you feel?

If a foreign army was doing patrols and house raids in your neighborhood, would you retaliate?

If the US was invaded by China or Russia, wouldn't you join a resistance group?

No, indifferent -- the circumstances hardly matter; no, and no

Americal soil originaly belonges tothe mongoloid race

Wasn't referring to American soil.

[britishboy]

who ever puts their name on the Taliban list should have a high velocity round flying through their head!!

[Stronk Serb]

why would you support people you hate? the Taliban are the national enemy! yes NATO should be less trigger happy but your also ignoring the protests that kicked off in Afghanistan after the US announced talks! did you hear of the school girl whos bus was blown up and shot in the head in an assassination attempt? she was rushed to the UK for emergency surgery to save her life, she survied and now makes brilliant speeches in the UN on life with the Taliban

most Afghans dont like the bombing policy but hate and fear going back to Taliban rule

I don't support them. I am just telling you their point of view. The Afghans also fear that a stray artillery shell or bomb will kill them. They are afraid of car bombs killing off entire city blocks. They are afraid of getting caught in a crossfire.

[britishboy]

I don't support them. I am just telling you their point of view. The Afghans also fear that a stray artillery shell or bomb will kill them. They are afraid of car bombs killing off entire city blocks. They are afraid of getting caught in a crossfire.

of course they are, I would be terrified, but whats to stop another 9-11? or buses being blown up in London when the troops leave? and the horror in Afghanistan that will follow? snipers and special forces should hunt them all down, lowers the risk for both civilian and our forces dying

[Southside]

of course they are, I would be terrified, but whats to stop another 9-11? or buses being blown up in London when the troops leave? and the horror in Afghanistan that will follow? snipers and special forces should hunt them all down, lowers the risk for both civilian and our forces dying

So your saying those Afghan civilians should support people(NATO/ISAF) who've burned their crops, bombed their homes, killed their innocent family members? We are doing more harm than good over in the Middle-East, I don't know why you don't understand that.

Prime example: Iraq, which was more stable under Saddam. Yes, he was a murderer and a dictator. Thousands of people in Iraq are being blown to pieces every year from car bombs or getting riddled with bullet holes from militant gunfights. That shit wasn't happening under Saddam...

[Stronk Serb]

of course they are, I would be terrified, but whats to stop another 9-11? or buses being blown up in London when the troops leave? and the horror in Afghanistan that will follow? snipers and special forces should hunt them all down, lowers the risk for both civilian and our forces dying

You are so ignorant, the Taliban had nothing to do with 9.11. They started as a bunch of Arabian jihadists who went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. They were armed by the United States, and after the war, they decided to form a political party called the Taliban.

[britishboy]

You are so ignorant, the Taliban had nothing to do with 9.11. They started as a bunch of Arabian jihadists who went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. They were armed by the United States, and after the war, they decided to form a political party called the Taliban.

we went to Afghanistan because of 9-11, we should hunt them to the end of the earth and futher!

So your saying those Afghan civilians should support people(NATO/ISAF) who've burned their crops, bombed their homes, killed their innocent family members? We are doing more harm than good over in the Middle-East, I don't know why you don't understand that.

Prime example: Iraq, which was more stable under Saddam. Yes, he was a murderer and a dictator. Thousands of people in Iraq are being blown to pieces every year from car bombs or getting riddled with bullet holes from militant gunfights. That shit wasn't happening under Saddam...
oh Iraq was very stable, maybe because anyone who opposed got tortured rape and executed? if you want I will buy you a plane ticket to live in Saudi Arabia, theyre stable


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Harry Smith]

who ever puts their name on the Taliban list should have a high velocity round flying through their head!!

I'm sure the Taliban would say anyone who supports NATO should be shot, but sure they're the bad guys

of course they are, I would be terrified, but whats to stop another 9-11? or buses being blown up in London when the troops leave? and the horror in Afghanistan that will follow? snipers and special forces should hunt them all down, lowers the risk for both civilian and our forces dying

Anyone with any ounce of Military Knowledge knows that's no possible, your like a very bad broken record. It's not as simple as sending in the special forces- we tried that back in '01 and it didn't work. It's not as Call of duty

[britishboy]

I'm sure the Taliban would say anyone who supports NATO should be shot, but sure they're the bad guys
are you saying we're the bad guys? I'll give you a hint, go to the Taliban and tell them your gay

Anyone with any ounce of Military Knowledge knows that's no possible, your like a very bad broken record. It's not as simple as sending in the special forces- we tried that back in '01 and it didn't work. It's not as Call of duty
the fact it taken 10 years to get Obama tells me its not that simple but at the moment we're being to soft, we should lead them to traps, ambush them, a large offensive is needed, like the French in Mali

[Harry Smith]

are you saying we're the bad guys? I'll give you a hint, go to the Taliban and tell them your gay

the fact it taken 10 years to get Obama tells me its not that simple but at the moment we're being to soft, we should lead them to traps, ambush them, a large offensive is needed, like the French in Mali

I was making you think. The Taliban are terrible- at least their not over here telling me what to do.

To get Obama- tad confused mate.

The french in mali is different- it's a different continent to start with.

Lets look- the Last 4 countries to invade Afghanistan have failed. We've spend the last 10 years trying that- the Taliban are very good at fighting. They're experienced- a large offensive has been tried about 5 times- every time they've failed because it's not as simple as saying- kill the Taliban.

It's not call of Duty

[Capto]

I think it should best be said that at the current time, Afghanistan is an unindustrialized, decentralized, infrastructure-less mess. Not to mention the fact that the terrain is [from experience] very 'rough' [I'll leave it at that]. In rural Afghanistan, the Kabul government has little to no control over the area. For example, in a triangle formed by Bamiyan, Ghazni, and Herat, except for some pocket areas, the rough terrain, uneven weather, poor conditioned roads, and lack of a proper census make any sort of organization or coordination of military procedures and attempts simply laughable. It also helps to mention the political and ethnographic landscape of Afghanistan. Unlike countries which pride themselves on cultural and ethnic purity [looking at you, both Koreas], Afghanistan is a very ethnically diverse nation. From the top of my head, there are Pashtos, Tajiks, Hazara, Aymaqs, Turkmens, Nuristani, Balochs, and several others I'm sure. Maybe even a few Arabs. Language-wise, it's similarly diverse. The official languages of the Republic of Afghanistan are, IIRC, Pashto and Dari Persian, typically in the east and west of the nation respectively. In between, there's basically a language for each ethnic group you can find. And guess what? This makes organization of anything in Afghanistan, you guessed it, even harder.

oh Iraq was very stable, maybe because anyone who opposed got tortured rape and executed? if you want I will buy you a plane ticket to live in Saudi Arabia, theyre stable


I would take that up so fast.

EDIT: Oh, and BTW. On the first page, you said that the 'Afghans' [i.e. their government] protested the US talks with the Taliban. This is true because the Karzai government wants to be the ones to talk to the Taliban without being seen as a US lackey or a US puppet state.

[Yolo98]

Why would you want to talk to the taliban, they do not want to negotiate. Plus , they are terrorists , there demands should not be met.

[Harry Smith]

Why would you want to talk to the taliban, they do not want to negotiate. Plus , they are terrorists , there demands should not be met.

Yet we're the ones who have installed a corrupt government, burnt down their farms and killed their civilians.

[Capto]

Why would you want to talk to the taliban, they do not want to negotiate. Plus , they are terrorists , there demands should not be met.

Uh.

They want to negotiate. You're going into the matter too hot-headedly. Cool yourself a little, then we'll discuss.

No matter how much manpower 'western' nations can bring into Afghanistan, it's a bad idea. The sociopolitical landscape of Afghanistan, as well as the ethnographic, and indeed geographic landscapes as well make any sort of increased military presence a poor idea. Notwithstanding the poor view of the US presence in Afghanistan, the fact that several Afghans have mixed views on the Karzai government, and the continued failures of us 'western' nations to bring any sort of modicum of continued and sustained peace to the region. As such, it has been considered the ultimate last ditch attempt to bring a lasting peace to Afghanistan and its war-torn and mostly ridiculously poor lands to hold peace talks with the Taliban.

[Yolo98]

Yet we're the ones who have installed a corrupt government, burnt down their farms and killed their civilians.

The government the west installed is much better than the Taliban government where women were not allowed to work and were only allowed to leave their homes to do food shopping. The west payed for a football stadium to try and bring a tiny piece of hope to Afghanistan but the Taliban government used it as an execution ground . Anything is better than the Taliban. The Taliban have killed more civilians than the west , by far.

[Harry Smith]

The government the west installed is much better than the Taliban government where women were not allowed to work and were only allowed to leave their homes to do food shopping. The west payed for a football stadium to try and bring a tiny piece of hope to Afghanistan but the Taliban government used it as an execution ground . Anything is better than the Taliban. The Taliban have killed more civilians than the west , by far.

Saudi Arabia is just the same- why don't we go over there and remove their legitimate govrenment? It's so bloody ironic to pretend that it's about human rights.

I'm not saying the Taliban are good, I'm saying don't be a stupid tourist who thinks that we're perfect