Why poverty.

[tovaris]

WHy are people poor? Many people ask themselves why do we have rich people and what do they do (almost nothing by the way).
I believe that when the problem of poverty and why there is poverty, we will be able to reengener our society to a state of no poor and no rich.

Some people will tel you that everione gets the same oportunety in our world, like plaing monopoly, but that is not the case in the real world, the game is riged some people get to play with only one dice while others play with two, some get 100 when passing go others 200 and stil belive they deserve to win.

[Stronk Serb]

Some people are poor because they did not get the same cards to play so that they get rich. You cannot expect from an African tribal to become a billionaire.

[Human]

Because wealth is too unevenly distributed I think...

[LouBerry]

Well, first, there are many wealthy people who earned what they have. Through a business or investment.

But, there will always be poverty. Some people fall on hard times, which is part of society. It has ups and downs. And there are always people like half of America's population who do nothing and are lazy and live off of government welfare.

[britishboy]

poor people in Africa are good for our Western countries, its a sad truth, also its impossible to get rid of and so better there than here!

[teen.jpg]

poor people in Africa are good for our Western countries, its a sad truth, also its impossible to get rid of and so better there than here!

That's kind of racist. There's poor people globally.

[britishboy]

That's kind of racist. There's poor people globally.

its not racist, and poverty, most poverty is in Africa but what I said applies to all wether in Africa, India or China

[teen.jpg]

its not racist, and poverty, most poverty is in Africa but what I said applies to all wether in Africa, India or China

Yes, because the whole damn continent is overflowing with poor people?

[britishboy]

Yes, because the whole damn continent is overflowing with poor people?

yep, there is nice places in Dubai and Kenya for US but for them horrible, why do you think billions goes out there in aid?

[Southside]

poor people in Africa are good for our Western countries, its a sad truth, also its impossible to get rid of and so better there than here!

So they deserve to be poor and starving so we dont have to? That's possible the most racist and biased thing I've ever heard in my life.

Africa is probably the richest continent on Earth in terms of resources, they just keep being raped by years of European colonization and Western corperations stealing their resources.

[britishboy]

So they deserve to be poor and starving so we dont have to? That's possible the most racist and biased thing I've ever heard in my life.

Africa is probably the richest continent on Earth in terms of resources, they just keep being raped by years of European colonization and Western corperations stealing their resources.

what economy would you rather be in? the US's or an African country? please answer honestly.

[Stronk Serb]

poor people in Africa are good for our Western countries, its a sad truth, also its impossible to get rid of and so better there than here!

its not racist, and poverty, most poverty is in Africa but what I said applies to all wether in Africa, India or China

yep, there is nice places in Dubai and Kenya for US but for them horrible, why do you think billions goes out there in aid?

They are poor because of the colonial empires. Before de-colonization, all of them were stripped of all factories and other things which would make a large profit, or make a good start. All of them started with an empty treasury. Your statement, it is racist.

[teen.jpg]

yep, there is nice places in Dubai and Kenya for US but for them horrible, why do you think billions goes out there in aid?

Because us westeners basically ruined everything for them?

[britishboy]

They are poor because of the colonial empires. Before de-colonization, all of them were stripped of all factories and other things which would make a large profit, or make a good start. All of them started with an empty treasury. Your statement, it is racist.

America was in the British empire, so was Australia and so was Canada! and its not racist!

Because us westeners basically ruined everything for them?

and we still are by sweat shops and cheap labor, dont like it? buy FairTrade or give a donation

[Southside]

what economy would you rather be in? the US's or an African country? please answer honestly.

US of course..

Africa is RICH with diamonds, oil, Zinc, Gold, Uranium,Natural Gas, why do you think the British Empire and the other European empires went over there in the first place?

The Brits and the other European countries caused Africa to be poor.

[teen.jpg]

and we still are by sweat shops and cheap labor, dont like it? buy FairTrade or give a donation

You can't be serious ...

[tovaris]

poor people in Africa are good for our Western countries, its a sad truth, also its impossible to get rid of and so better there than here!

Seriously? Use that old imperialistic mantry, "they MUST be poor so we can be rich". I thought that way of thinking belonged to the past...

Poverty is everiwhere even in Britan, where you have quite a substantial amount, and the US and all sorts of others....
Afcors we can get rid of poverty!

Well, first, there are many wealthy people who earned what they have. Through a business or investment.

But, there will always be poverty. Some people fall on hard times, which is part of society. It has ups and downs. And there are always people like half of America's population who do nothing and are lazy and live off of government welfare.

The game is riged!

its not racist, and poverty, most poverty is in Africa but what I said applies to all wether in Africa, India or China

And S America and N America and E Europe and S Europ and W Europ... and Australia and Indonezia...

[Southside]

Well, first, there are many wealthy people who earned what they have. Through a business or investment.

But, there will always be poverty. Some people fall on hard times, which is part of society. It has ups and downs. And there are always people like half of America's population who do nothing and are lazy and live off of government welfare.

Still believing the Romney 47% eh?

[Walter Powers]

Seriously? Use that old imperialistic mantry, "they MUST be poor so we can be rich". I thought that way of thinking belonged to the past...

Poverty is everiwhere even in Britan, where you have quite a substantial amount, and the US and all sorts of others....
Afcors we can get rid of poverty!



The game is riged!



And S America and N America and E Europe and S Europ and W Europ... and Australia and Indonezia...

Dude, you totally lack understanding of the world's problems if you think that the poverty in America and Britain is anywhere near comparable to African poverty. For Pete's sake, we worry about our poor people getting too fat! They worry about starving to death! I'd rather be an American in poverty then even an upper class person in an African country anyday.

[tovaris]

Dude, you totally lack understanding of the world's problems if you think that the poverty in America and Britain is anywhere near comparable to African poverty. For Pete's sake, we worry about our poor people getting too fat! They worry about starving to death! I'd rather be an American in poverty then even an upper class person in an African country anyday.

You arent answering the original question.

The USA uses food stamps, youknow when countries use food stamps? After wars of realy surver disasters or strong embargos, not in a country like the us clames to be.
You might regret that many african rules leve prety whel...

[Trace]

People choose to be poor? And rich people do almost nothing to be wealthy? I would beg to differ.

[tovaris]

People choose to be poor? And rich people do almost nothing to be wealthy? I would beg to differ.

Coom on develop that thaught that is why i made this thread, undermine the capitalist clame that those who are poor are lazy etc...

[Trace]

Coom on develop that thaught that is why i made this thread, undermine the capitalist clame that those who are poor are lazy etc...

Well, I would say most are. It's not hard to work for what you want. Do good in school and get a well-paying job with a college degree by your side. What's that? Scholarships do exist.

[tovaris]

Well, I would say most are. It's not hard to work for what you want. Do good in school and get a well-paying job with a college degree by your side. What's that? Scholarships do exist.

Where are you from? I know for a fact that many W blpck countrs have dodgy public school sistems... so how can later climbing begin it the starting point isnt the same? As i said the game is riged...

[Trace]

Where are you from? I know for a fact that many W blpck countrs have dodgy public school sistems... so how can later climbing begin it the starting point isnt the same? As i said the game is riged...

Could you rephrase that to better my understanding of what you're actually trying to say? Oh and, because it's apparently relevant, the US.

[tovaris]

Could you rephrase that to better my understanding of what you're actually trying to say? Oh and, because it's apparently relevant, the US.

The us yes theis public school sistem is designed in such a way that it is next to inposible for someone starting at the bottom to get a colegue degre. As i saidthe game is riged.

[Walter Powers]

You arent answering the original question.

The USA uses food stamps, youknow when countries use food stamps? After wars of realy surver disasters or strong embargos, not in a country like the us clames to be.
You might regret that many african rules leve prety whel...

You want to end food stamps?

Sure, I'd be all for that.

[Trace]

The us yes theis public school sistem is designed in such a way that it is next to inposible for someone starting at the bottom to get a colegue degre. As i saidthe game is riged.

...? No? Anyone can go to high school, do exceptional, and get a scholarship or get a student loan for college that they eventually pay off. Your arguement is quite invalid. I would suggest getting to know the US public school system a bit better before arguing on it.

[tovaris]

You want to end food stamps?

Sure, I'd be all for that.

No. You dont seem to understand the point.

And you seem to be doing everething to counter me but you stil havent ansverd the original post of the thread, i cant make you but it would be nice.

...? No? Anyone can go to high school, do exceptional, and get a scholarship or get a student loan for college that they eventually pay off. Your arguement is quite invalid. I would suggest getting to know the US public school system a bit better before arguing on it.

Why not make universeties free?
I yust spent this evening (+) hearing all about social structure and lather climbing ower in the third world (usa)

[Trace]

No. You dont seem to understand the point.

And you seem to be doing everething to counter me but you stil havent ansverd the original post of the thread, i cant make you but it would be nice.



Why not make universeties free?
I yust spent this evening (+) hearing all about social structure and lather climbing ower in the third world (usa)

Because professors cost money. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of poverty if they had to work for free or very cheap.

[tovaris]

Because professors cost money. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of poverty if they had to work for free or very cheap.

Many countries have free universeties and noone is working for free or low wage.

[britishboy]

The USA uses food stamps, youknow when countries use food stamps? After wars of realy surver disasters or strong embargos, not in a country like the us clames to be.
You might regret that many african rules leve prety whel...
you do realize without the foodstamps, people will be starving right?
Seriously? Use that old imperialistic mantry, "they MUST be poor so we can be rich". I thought that way of thinking belonged to the past...

Poverty is everiwhere even in Britan, where you have quite a substantial amount, and the US and all sorts of others....
Afcors we can get rid of poverty!

for someone to be richer someone must be poorer thats unavoidable.

yes many are below the poverty line in britian and live off welfare
US of course..

Africa is RICH with diamonds, oil, Zinc, Gold, Uranium,Natural Gas, why do you think the British Empire and the other European empires went over there in the first place?

The Brits and the other European countries caused Africa to be poor.

I cant believe im having to defend a British empire I despise but they built the foundations for America, before America was colonized, they was Indians running around in fields, same story with Australia.

many reasons make Africa poor but ill give you the main ones
1) corruption
2) high crime rate, no one invests
3) cheap labor, no real money goes into the country

[tovaris]

you do realize without the foodstamps, people will be starving right?


Exactly they would starve without the food stamps that shows you how dire the situation realy is...



for someone to be richer someone must be poorer thats unavoidable.

yes many are below the poverty line in britian and live off welfare



That is what must end no rich no poor.

[Trace]

Exactly they would starve without the food stamps that shows you how dire the situation realy is...

.. You're really frustrating.

[tovaris]

.. You're really frustrating.

How is that.

[Trace]

How is that.

Because there will always be that plethora of people that won't make the effort to get off their asses and work. Or they will be those that struggle to support their families. Poverty will always exist. It's not something you can get rid of, and suggesting to take away something that supports a family that is in desperate need of that support is down right stupid.

[britishboy]

Exactly they would starve without the food stamps that shows you how dire the situation realy is...



That is what must end no rich no poor.

thats what makes our countries so great!!!! no one has to die! in EVERY country there is poor, but im ours we feed them and try to get their lives on track!:)

you know I dont support communism so im not even going to comment on that.

[tovaris]

Because there will always be that plethora of people that won't make the effort to get off their asses and work. Or they will be those that struggle to support their families. Poverty will always exist. It's not something you can get rid of, and suggesting to take away something that supports a family that is in desperate need of that support is down right stupid.

You think layzines is the reson for poverty? Seriously?
Afcors we can get rid of poverty, if we change the sistem...

When have isugested something like that!

thats what makes our countries so great!!!! no one has to die! in EVERY country there is poor, but im ours we feed them and try to get their lives on track!:)

you know I dont support communism so im not even going to comment on that.

It there ia no poor no suport is needed...

[Harry Smith]

You think layzines is the reson for poverty? Seriously?
Afcors we can get rid of poverty, if we change the sistem...

When ave isugested something like that!

You can't get rid of global poverty, it's just not possible. Also with Food stamps where you wanting to take them away?

[tovaris]

You can't get rid of global poverty, it's just not possible. Also with Food stamps where you wanting to take them away?

Afcors you can.
When have i sugested gettibg rid of them (afcors avantuly there will be no need for them anymore)

[Trace]

You think layzines is the reson for poverty? Seriously?
Afcors we can get rid of poverty, if we change the sistem...

When ave isugested something like that!

Laziness can be a factor, yes. I would know because my dad never got off of his sorry ass to work. And changing the "system" won't get rid of poverty. It may do something for a few, but it won't completely rid it.

[Harry Smith]

Afcors you can.
When have i sugested gettibg rid of them (afcors avantuly there will be no need for them anymore)

So you want to starve families to death?

And no you can't without ruining the economy or the wealth of said country

[Zelder]

poor people in Africa are good for our Western countries, its a sad truth, also its impossible to get rid of and so better there than here!
Talk about raciest.

You like having slaves in Africa do all the work?

[tovaris]

Laziness can be a factor, yes. I would know because my dad never got off of his sorry ass to work. And changing the "system" won't get rid of poverty. It may do something for a few, but it won't completely rid it.

Afcors it will you just need a sistem in which poverty is nonexistent.

So you want to starve families to death?

And no you can't without ruining the economy or the wealth of said country

Why would they starve? I dont get it....

No you change the sistem of said country

[Harry Smith]

Talk about raciest.

You like having slaves in Africa do all the work?

They're paid for their work so in fact they're not slaves, and there isn't racism in it at all, he didn't mention anything about black people being superior/in-superior to white people

[Trace]

Afcors it will you just need a sistem in which poverty is nonexistent.



Why would they starve? I dont get it....

No you change the sistem of said country

This is Earth, not Eutopia. Sorry if you fail to realize the difference between realistic and unrealistic.

[tovaris]

This is Earth, not Eutopia. Sorry if you fail to realize the difference between realistic and unrealistic.

You drain the glas to make it empty....
Afcors its posible (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091).

[Harry Smith]

Afcors it will you just need a sistem in which poverty is nonexistent.



Why would they starve? I dont get it....

No you change the sistem of said country

That's impossible, poverty has helped build your computer, poverty has built your clothes. As bleak as it is poverty has built the world, countries like Brazil and Mexico have developed as a result of poverty.

You can't change the system because you have no alternative

[britishboy]

It there ia no poor no suport is needed...

wait, are you suggesting starve poor people to death so we dont have to help them?!

[Zelder]

They're paid for their work so in fact they're not slaves, and there isn't racism in it at all, he didn't mention anything about black people being superior/in-superior to white people

There wages are so low they might as well be slaves.

[Trace]

You drain the glas to make it empty....
Afcors its posible (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091).

That was to be one of the worst metaphors I've ever heard. And I don't see how communism will rid the world of poverty. Unless it involves forcing people to get a job or killing them, which is inhumane.

[tovaris]

That's impossible, poverty has helped build your computer, poverty has built your clothes. As bleak as it is poverty has built the world, countries like Brazil and Mexico have developed as a result of poverty.

You can't change the system because you have no alternative

The alternative is a new sistem.

There is no need for powerty so it can be eliminated worldwide.

wait, are you suggesting starve poor people to death so we dont have to help them?!

Again with putting words in peoples mouths. I am saing eliminate poverty you want to kill the masses, there is a SLIGHT diference.

That was to be one of the worst metaphors I've ever heard. And I don't see how communism will rid the world of poverty. Unless it involves forcing people to get a job or killing them, which is inhumane.

I do not wish to discus communism on this thread, plese redirect questions about it to link i will ignore or quote In other thread posts about communism.

[Harry Smith]

There wages are so low they might as well be slaves.

But the whole point of slavery is that you don't get paid...


The alternative is a new sistem.

There is no need for powerty so it can be eliminated worldwide.

Poverty made your computer and poverty made your clothes.

And linking to communism thread just shows how bad your argument was and is

[Trace]

The alternative is a new sistem.

There is no need for powerty so it can be eliminated worldwide.



Again with putting words in peoples mouths. I am saing eliminate poverty you want to kill the masses, there is a SLIGHT diference.



I do not wish to discus communism on this thread, plese redirect questions about it to link i will ignore or quote In other thread posts about communism.

If you don't wish to discuss communism on this thread, don't make it a part of the argument by suggesting that it will solve poverty. Like Harry said, your argument is terrible.

[tovaris]

Poverty made your computer and poverty made your clothes.

And linking to communism thread just shows how bad your argument was and is

Powerty didnt make this device EU did (where institutions do a lotto keep poverty at bay)

Powerty didnt make this clothes a RS conpany did.

Even with the volumen of stuf produced by the poor and poor regions there isno reson they couldnt work for a decent wage.

The link was to distance and explane my vievs about an other sistem.

If you don't wish to discuss communism on this thread, don't make it a part of the argument by suggesting that it will solve poverty. Like Harry said, your argument is terrible.

What part of it? That everione deserves to lieve a decent life?

[Trace]

Powerty didnt make this device EU did (where institutions do a lotto keep poverty at bay)

Powerty didnt make this clothes a RS conpany did.

Even with the volumen of stuf produced by the poor and poor regions there isno reson they couldnt work for a decent wage.

The link was to distance and explane my vievs about an other sistem.



What part of it? That everione deserves to lieve a decent life?

Europe is completely rid of poverty? That's what makes your argument so bad. The lack of reality.

[britishboy]

Again with putting words in peoples mouths. I am saing eliminate poverty you want to kill the masses, there is a SLIGHT diference.



im sorry, we was talking about them starving and I thought thats what you ment, and onto the matter at hand, there is no alternative especially because its a international issue

[tovaris]

Europe is completely rid of poverty? That's what makes your argument so bad. The lack of reality.

I newer said thati said that responsible institutions do a lot to keep it at bay, inewer said that europe was conpletly rod of powerty...

im sorry, we was talking about them starving and I thought thats what you ment, and onto the matter at hand, there is no alternative especially because its a international issue

You are awere wery whel of the alternative... one republic.etc. but that does not go into this thread,
We stil havent astablished wha people are poor.

Why does everione want people to starve?


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Southside]

you do realize without the foodstamps, people will be starving right?

for someone to be richer someone must be poorer thats unavoidable.

yes many are below the poverty line in britian and live off welfare


I cant believe im having to defend a British empire I despise but they built the foundations for America, before America was colonized, they was Indians running around in fields, same story with Australia.

many reasons make Africa poor but ill give you the main ones
1) corruption
2) high crime rate, no one invests
3) cheap labor, no real money goes into the country

Those "Indians running around in fields" were doing pretty good for themselves, most of them were BRUTALLY murdered by the European settlers or forced into slavery. They were building massive pyramids and big cities, living off the land by fishing and gathering. Whats wrong with living the simple life that the Natives lived? The European settlers were the first illegal immigrants in America.

I agree with the 3 things you just stated but why cant we invest? Why cant we build factories and refineries for these African people? They already have the resources..I agree there will always be poverty but we should do everything we can to minimize it dont you think?

[Zelder]

Poverty is a result most of the time of people being unfairly treated.

[Sugaree]

WHy are people poor?

Because they either

a. Were born into poverty and will most likely die in poverty

b. Were financially irresponsible

There, now you have your answer.

[LouBerry]

Still believing the Romney 47% eh?

LOL. Of course not. I live in Arkansas, losers that live off of welfare out of laziness/ idiocy are everywhere. Especially in little towns like mine. Yikes.

[britishboy]

I newer said thati said that responsible institutions do a lot to keep it at bay, inewer said that europe was conpletly rod of powerty...



You are awere wery whel of the alternative... one republic.etc. but that does not go into this thread,
We stil havent astablished wha people are poor.

Why does everione want people to starve?


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

Those "Indians running around in fields" were doing pretty good for themselves, most of them were BRUTALLY murdered by the European settlers or forced into slavery. They were building massive pyramids and big cities, living off the land by fishing and gathering. Whats wrong with living the simple life that the Natives lived? The European settlers were the first illegal immigrants in America.

I agree with the 3 things you just stated but why cant we invest? Why cant we build factories and refineries for these African people? They already have the resources..I agree there will always be poverty but we should do everything we can to minimize it dont you think?

without the European settlers there would be no America, no Australia, no Canada, no Argentina and no New Zealand.

I wouldnt with the corruption and crime rate but even with that aside, when your struggling to afford the bills of your own country and making cuts, overseas aid shouldnt be happening

[Stronk Serb]

America was in the British empire, so was Australia and so was Canada! and its not racist!



and we still are by sweat shops and cheap labor, dont like it? buy FairTrade or give a donation

America got it's independence before the Industrial Revolution. The only thing there were farmlands, forests and metal deposits. You cannot take those away, so they could get into the Industrial Era pretty fast.

without the European settlers there would be no America, no Australia, no Canada, no Argentina and no New Zealand.

I wouldnt with the corruption and crime rate but even with that aside, when your struggling to afford the bills of your own country and making cuts, overseas aid shouldnt be happening

The Aztecs and the native N. Americans were slaughtered for gold. After the Aztec Empire fell, the gold the Spanish brought back was too much. An inflation occurred. And corruption and high crime rates, who cares, the factories are theirs, if they choose to ruin their chances doing something productive, who cares, we gave them the means, they did not use them. At least try it with building some factories and refineries.

[tovaris]

without the European settlers there would be no America, no Australia, no Canada, no Argentina and no New Zealand.

I wouldnt with the corruption and crime rate but even with that aside, when your struggling to afford the bills of your own country and making cuts, overseas aid shouldnt be happening

Why did ypu quote me?

[britishboy]

America got it's independence before the Industrial Revolution. The only thing there were farmlands, forests and metal deposits. You cannot take those away, so they could get into the Industrial Era pretty fast.



The Aztecs and the native N. Americans were slaughtered for gold. After the Aztec Empire fell, the gold the Spanish brought back was too much. An inflation occurred. And corruption and high crime rates, who cares, the factories are theirs, if they choose to ruin their chances doing something productive, who cares, we gave them the means, they did not use them. At least try it with building some factories and refineries.

the Indians couldn't have had the industrial revolution, the settlers brought skills etc etc

South Africa was kicked out of the commonwealth for being racist, the whole region is rough and riddled with crime, thats why they are poor

[Stronk Serb]

the Indians couldn't have had the industrial revolution, the settlers brought skills etc etc

South Africa was kicked out of the commonwealth for being racist, the whole region is rough and riddled with crime, thats why they are poor

The Aztecs were very developed when the Europeans came. And who can use the skills if all natives got slaughtered or died from diseases brought by the settlers.

[britishboy]

The Aztecs were very developed when the Europeans came. And who can use the skills if all natives got slaughtered or died from diseases brought by the settlers.

think of this, while the Indians was hunting buffalo and building tents, Britain and Spain had empires, massive ships that could cross the world! thats the skill they lacked

[Stronk Serb]

think of this, while the Indians was hunting buffalo and building tents, Britain and Spain had empires, massive ships that could cross the world! thats the skill they lacked


The Aztec Empire spanned across Mexico. They built massive pyramids and cities by hand. Their cities were more advanced then the European ones.

[britishboy]

The Aztec Empire spanned across Mexico. They built massive pyramids and cities by hand. Their cities were more advanced then the European ones.

they was sacrificing people and drinking strong drugs and really? London? Paris? and how is this related to poverty? im lost

[tovaris]

the Indians couldn't have had the industrial revolution, the settlers brought skills etc etc


Afcors they could have.


South Africa was kicked out of the commonwealth for being racist, the whole region is rough and riddled with crime, thats why they are poor


Poverty is the reson for crime not the other way around.


think of this, while the Indians was hunting buffalo and building tents, Britain and Spain had empires, massive ships that could cross the world! thats the skill they lacked


So what! that doesnt make it acceptable to kill them all.
Besides they had enpires. and are you saing that the vikings in the midle ages were more advanced than the british at the brink of industrial revolution because they could go to America?


they was sacrificing people and drinking strong drugs and really? London? Paris? and how is this related to poverty? im lost


That is a coltural thing. And the Europeans liked to get stoned too.
he azteks knew no poverty because everione was provided for.
London at the tine was full of the poor (so was paris) filth etc...

[Stronk Serb]

they was sacrificing people and drinking strong drugs and really? London? Paris? and how is this related to poverty? im lost

Aztec cities were cleaner and had complex sewer systems, there were no poor. They had more gold extracted and refined then any European noble could dream of. They did not make cocaine and snort it in, they took coca leaves and chewed them. It helped their warriors and hunters withstand the long journeys to battle or areas rich with game.

[Harry Smith]

they was sacrificing people and drinking strong drugs and really? London? Paris? and how is this related to poverty? im lost

We burned people on the stake back then for being catholic, we weren't much better.

You seemed to imply that western countries used poverty back in the 18th Century to improve these countries even though that is simply not true, we went over there and committed Genocide

[tovaris]

We burned people on the stake back then for being catholic, we weren't much better.

You seemed to imply that western countries used poverty back in the 18th Century to improve these countries even though that is simply not true, we went over there and committed Genocide

No to mention introduced poverty to local societies.

[britishboy]

how has this drifted so much? ill reinstate my points
1) poverty in Africa and China is good for us
2) if theres a rich there will be a poor so its unenviable

[tovaris]

how has this drifted so much? ill reinstate my points
1) poverty in Africa and China is good for us
2) if theres a rich there will be a poor so its unenviable

1 poverty cant be good (exept for the filfy rich)
2 so take away the rich and we will have no poor

[britishboy]

1 poverty cant be good (exept for the filfy rich)
2 so take away the rich and we will have no poor

I ask you this, do you like cheap things? or would you rather them tripple in price?

[Sugaree]

how has this drifted so much? ill reinstate my points
1) poverty in Africa and China is good for us

But don't you see a problem with that? It's good for YOU, but there's also a detrimental consequence to it as well. So what if it's good for you and your family? For every family that has wealth, like you claim to have, there's probably another hundred that are in poverty and can't do shit about it because it's people like you that want to keep them poor "because that's how things work".

No, things aren't supposed to work like that. Stop being a twat and realize that poverty doesn't need to exist because wealth exists. Everyone can be wealthy if they try, and I have no doubt that many people who are poor are trying or have tried in the past to become wealthier than they are.

Poverty doesn't need to exist. Wealth does if you ever want to keep world economies spinning.

[tovaris]

I ask you this, do you like cheap things? or would you rather them tripple in price?

I like everething to be free.
But its better o be expensive than toabuse the workforce

[britishboy]

But don't you see a problem with that? It's good for YOU, but there's also a detrimental consequence to it as well. So what if it's good for you and your family? For every family that has wealth, like you claim to have, there's probably another hundred that are in poverty and can't do shit about it because it's people like you that want to keep them poor "because that's how things work".

No, things aren't supposed to work like that. Stop being a twat and realize that poverty doesn't need to exist because wealth exists. Everyone can be wealthy if they try, and I have no doubt that many people who are poor are trying or have tried in the past to become wealthier than they are.

Poverty doesn't need to exist. Wealth does if you ever want to keep world economies spinning.

thats not what I ment at all! I ment our countries, its great for businesses because they get things cheap and it good for the poor people because its easier to afford stuff!

I like everething to be free.
But its better o be expensive than toabuse the workforce

thats fine for you and me, but there is many in our countries who struggle to afford the cheap stuff! if you have money you obviously wont have the cheap stuff anyway but if you dont, you cant afford to have it trippled!

[tovaris]

thats not what I ment at all! I ment our countries, its great for businesses because they get things cheap and it good for the poor people because its easier to afford stuff!



thats fine for you and me, but there is many in our countries who struggle to afford the cheap stuff! if you have money you obviously wont have the cheap stuff anyway but if you dont, you cant afford to have it trippled!

If there would be no poverty there would be noone who couldnt aford stuf and no need for free stuf

[Harry Smith]

thats not what I ment at all! I ment our countries, its great for businesses because they get things cheap and it good for the poor people because its easier to afford stuff!

You do know that poverty means you live with less than one dollar a day, could you live off that for the rest of your life?

[britishboy]

You do know that poverty means you live with less than one dollar a day, could you live off that for the rest of your life?

no but it is good for our country! its the sad truth

[Harry Smith]

no but it is good for our country! its the sad truth

That doesn't justify it, it would be good for our country if we invaded Iran because we would be able to get oil security, that doesn't justify it. A slave trade would help our economy but that still means it's terrible and vile

Many western countries based aboard actually have stricter guidelines in regards to pay. So it doesn't benefit our economy

Do you think it's good for our country that a child dies in Africa every 8 seconds?

[britishboy]

That doesn't justify it, it would be good for our country if we invaded Iran because we would be able to get oil security, that doesn't justify it. A slave trade would help our economy but that still means it's terrible and vile

Many western countries based aboard actually have stricter guidelines in regards to pay. So it doesn't benefit our economy

Do you think it's good for our country that a child dies in Africa every 8 seconds?

yes it is good for our country and of you dont know while ill explain but its long and im sure you uunderstand, your smart. the children dying doesn't effect us, its sad and horrible but im sure you wouldnt want to pay tripple on everything sourced from China? or coco beans from Africa?

[Harry Smith]

yes it is good for our country and of you dont know while ill explain but its long and im sure you uunderstand, your smart. the children dying doesn't effect us, its sad and horrible but im sure you wouldnt want to pay tripple on everything sourced from China? or coco beans from Africa?

The children dying doesn't effect us? Have some compassion, do you have any idea how much pain young children go through, children who haven't eaten for days slowly dying because they can't afford medicine that costs one quid.

These dying children don't help us one bit.

Nearly every western company out their has standards of fair wages, so the days of sweat shops are slowly eroding away. The problem is the lack of formal jobs in rural areas.

We spend so many much money on Defense so that we can kill, but people hate when we try and spend money to save people

[tovaris]

yes it is good for our country and of you dont know while ill explain but its long and im sure you uunderstand, your smart. the children dying doesn't effect us, its sad and horrible but im sure you wouldnt want to pay tripple on everything sourced from China? or coco beans from Africa?

You do realise that we all leve on thie one planet and are the same specis?
It seems you would kill of entire nations for a better botom line.

[RoseyCadaver]

yes it is good for our country and of you dont know while ill explain but its long and im sure you uunderstand, your smart. the children dying doesn't effect us, its sad and horrible but im sure you wouldnt want to pay tripple on everything sourced from China? or coco beans from Africa?

You seriously need to get your head of that ignorant tight ass of yours.

Poverty exist because people want it to exist; not the majority, but the wealthy minority. The elite who want it to exist feed off the work and the labor of those whom are in majority.

It exist because people become complacent and won't do anything. They become complacent because it's nearly impossible to change or just not possible at all for them. They're too busy trying to survive, and don't have the time to make any change for their community, and some people in power won't do anything because they're happy with the state the world is in, saying it's always like this, and will remain like this.

However, they know it can change, they just don't want to do anything about it. They're completely comfortable with where they're at, and could care less to change it. I also feel capitalism has a play in this somewhere too, but what do I know :rolleyes:.

[britishboy]

Poverty exist because people want it to exist; not the majority, but the wealthy minority. The elite who want it to exist feed off the work and the labor of those whom are in majority.

do you enjoy having things cheap, the rich have higher quality stuff, not stuff made in sweatshops, the poor need that



It exist because people become complacent and won't do anything. They become complacent because it's nearly impossible to change or just not possible at all for them. They're too busy trying to survive, and don't have the time to make any change for their community, and some people in power won't do anything because they're happy with the state the world is in, saying it's always like this, and will remain like this.

actually most privileged people give alot to charity, stop stereotyping

However, they know it can change, they just don't want to do anything about it. They're completely comfortable with where they're at, and could care less to change it. I also feel capitalism has a play in this somewhere too, but what do I know :rolleyes:.
unless you suggest communism, no it cant

[tovaris]

do you enjoy having things cheap, the rich have higher quality stuff, not stuff made in sweatshops, the poor need that


Hm lets take a popular smart phone made somewere is SE Asia. Who buis those? Who can afor to buy them? Who makes them, and hou much do they ern? Can they aford the product they made?


actually most privileged people give alot to charity, stop stereotyping

one would think that but those who realy give the most to charety in the Evropean society are people from the lower mddle class, Not rich people.
Charety is NOT the answer, i only mandes the simptoms but it doesnt cure the ilnos.

[britishboy]

Hm lets take a popular smart phone made somewere is SE Asia. Who buis those? Who can afor to buy them? Who makes them, and hou much do they ern? Can they aford the product they made?


im talking about our countries, developed countries and the workers who build nice houses cant afford them

one would think that but those who realy give the most to charety in the Evropean society are people from the lower mddle class, Not rich people. Charety is NOT the answer, i only mandes the simptoms but it doesnt cure the ilnos.
a rich man gives a lot more and there is no answer or solution!

[tovaris]

im talking about our countries, developed countries and the workers who build nice houses cant afford them


a rich man gives a lot more and there is no answer or solution!

yes even here people make cares they will newer aford... How is that fair? Why did it come to this situation in our society?

No the evropean statistics are clear in the amount of money, consistency of giving and the number of those giving is far higher tham aming the rich.

[Harry Smith]

actually most privileged people give alot to charity, stop stereotyping

That's in fact wrong, why do you just make up facts and then post like their facts.


''In 2011, the wealthiest Americans -- those with earnings in the top 20% -- gave an average 1.3% of their income to charity. On the other side of the coin, those with earnings in the bottom 20% donated 3.2% of their income.''

[britishboy]

That's in fact wrong, why do you just make up facts and then post like their facts.


''In 2011, the wealthiest Americans -- those with earnings in the top 20% -- gave an average 1.3% of their income to charity. On the other side of the coin, those with earnings in the bottom 20% donated 3.2% of their income.''

those facts are true but 1% of privileged momey is ALOT more than 3% of a poor mans

[Harry Smith]

those facts are true but 1% of privileged momey is ALOT more than 3% of a poor mans

Poor man isn't really the correct word is it?

It's all comparative isn't it, the poorer person is giving a higher percentage of their income which shows their much more charitable since it would take away a higher percentage of their money.

[tovaris]

Poor man isn't really the correct word is it?

It's all comparative isn't it, the poorer person is giving a higher percentage of their income which shows their much more charitable since it would take away a higher percentage of their money.

Not to mention that the volumen of money (and blod and clothes) donated by those with lesser incomes, is higher that that givven by those with enormous incomes.

those facts are true but 1% of privileged momey is ALOT more than 3% of a poor mans

actuly ots less when all aded up

[britishboy]

Poor man isn't really the correct word is it?

It's all comparative isn't it, the poorer person is giving a higher percentage of their income which shows their much more charitable since it would take away a higher percentage of their money.

there are worse terms for poor men

you can't judge one on how much they give to charity, and 3% of a privileged or higher class man is several poor mans houses, thats a big contribution, have you ever herd of the rotary club? and most charities rely on rich men

[Harry Smith]

there are worse terms for poor men

you can't judge one on how much they give to charity, and 3% of a privileged or higher class man is several poor mans houses, thats a big contribution, have you ever herd of the rotary club? and most charities rely on rich men

Rich men? So women can't be rich? Why are you using such stupid language

It was 1.3% for the highest wage bracket and 3.2 for the lowest. This means that despite what you said poor people give a higher percentage of what they have.

So do you withdraw your comment that rich people give more of their gross wealth to charity?

[tovaris]

there are worse terms for poor men

you can't judge one on how much they give to charity, and 3% of a privileged or higher class man is several poor mans houses, thats a big contribution, have you ever herd of the rotary club? and most charities rely on rich men

the evropean statistics are clear in the amount of money, consistency of giving and the number of those giving is far higher tham aming the rich.
Palmost poor people give more to charety than the rich

Rich men? So women can't be rich? Why are you using such stupid language

It was 1.3% for the highest wage bracket and 3.2 for the lowest. This means that despite what you said poor people give a higher percentage of what they have.

So do you withdraw your comment that rich people give more of their gross wealth to charity?

even in the actual amount of money and material not rich give more than rich

[britishboy]

Rich men? So women can't be rich? Why are you using such stupid language

It was 1.3% for the highest wage bracket and 3.2 for the lowest. This means that despite what you said poor people give a higher percentage of what they have.

So do you withdraw your comment that rich people give more of their gross wealth to charity?

it's just how people speak same as saying said country has said amount of men in her army

rich men have massive expenses obviously such as staff houses and holidays so it would be interest to see net income, also 1% or 3% of a poor mans income, net or gross makes no difference what so ever to anything, 1% of a rich mens funds a small charity and massively helps a large one

[britishboy]

the evropean statistics are clear in the amount of money, consistency of giving and the number of those giving is far higher tham aming the rich.
Palmost poor people give more to charety than the rich


read my response to harry and you cant judge every rich man

[Harry Smith]

it's just how people speak same as saying said country has said amount of men in her army

rich men have massive expenses obviously such as staff houses and holidays so it would be interest to see net income, also 1% or 3% of a poor mans income, net or gross makes no difference what so ever to anything, 1% of a rich mens funds a small charity and massively helps a large one

No, you impled that only men give money to charity. It's completely different to something like man power but sure keep using a sexist phrase for the fun of it.

So you don't think that poor people have to pay for stuff at all? That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen, poor people have to pay bills, buy food and pay off their mortgage plus rent.

Richer people are more likely to have surplus cash that they don't use or need.

also 1% or 3% of a poor mans income, net or gross makes no difference what so ever to anything,


I've bolded your lie, it costs one pound to give a child in Africa a injection. That one pound from a poorer person could save a life.

You need to think before you post

[tovaris]

it's just how people speak same as saying said country has said amount of men in her army

rich men have massive expenses obviously such as staff houses and holidays so it would be interest to see net income, also 1% or 3% of a poor mans income, net or gross makes no difference what so ever to anything, 1% of a rich mens funds a small charity and massively helps a large one

in shere volumen of cash not rich give more than the rich, in general.
Even the individual who gives 3 per cent is giving ,ore than the rich individual giving thepocket change of one per cent because they stil have to live with what is left.
Some simple maths:
the awerege wage is a little under 1000€ per month
so 3 per cent of 1000 is, 30€!!
And a high 60000€ a month
one per cent makes 600 €
and now we are braught to the fact oh how many of people are not rich and all together give more and more often
do you inow what you can buy for 30€?
And stil those that can give more esely dont and those who take from themselves do.
Kep in mind thyt the nonrich give to charety a lot in material (bottle caps, blod, ..) in a far superior volumen. .

You also do realise how mich the prices of neceseties ve risen in the past years? Once you could fill a shopping cart with food for 10000SIT (20€) now you can get half that.

[britishboy]

No, you impled that only men give money to charity. It's completely different to something like man power but sure keep using a sexist phrase for the fun of it.

So you don't think that poor people have to pay for stuff at all? That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen, poor people have to pay bills, buy food and pay off their mortgage plus rent.

Richer people are more likely to have surplus cash that they don't use or need.




I've bolded your lie, it costs one pound to give a child in Africa a injection. That one pound from a poorer person could save a life.

You need to think before you post

make a thread on sexist phrases, I personally? dont care.

im sure you see the difference in expenses

every little helps is the phrase! but no still no difference, 1 child out of millions who will probably just die of something eles, the operations in Africa cost millions and do nothing, I personally am not a supporter of Africa but more cancer research, that again costs millions and a poor mans money will do nothing

in shere volumen of cash not rich give more than the rich, in general.
Even the individual who gives 3 per cent is giving ,ore than the rich individual giving thepocket change of one per cent because they stil have to live with what is left.
Some simple maths:
the awerege wage is a little under 1000€ per month
so 3 per cent of 1000 is, 30€!!
And a high 60000€ a month
one per cent makes 600 €
and now we are braught to the fact oh how many of people are not rich and all together give more and more often
do you inow what you can buy for 30€?
And stil those that can give more esely dont and those who take from themselves do.
Kep in mind thyt the nonrich give to charety a lot in material (bottle caps, blod, ..) in a far superior volumen. .

You also do realise how mich the prices of neceseties ve risen in the past years? Once you could fill a shopping cart with food for 10000SIT (20€) now you can get half that.

you can buy nothing for 30€ and many rich give millions


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream.

[tovaris]

make a thread on sexist phrases, I personally? dont care.

im sure you see the difference in expenses

every little helps is the phrase! but no still no difference, 1 child out of millions who will probably just die of something eles, the operations in Africa cost millions and do nothing, I personally am not a supporter of Africa but more cancer research, that again costs millions and a poor mans money will do nothing

it achives little because chyrety is not the answer!
Poor ,an money? The helth sistem draws its resaurces from the mases, take the mases away and leave the selfish rich, it crumbels

you can buy nothing for 30€ and many rich give millions

you can buy a lot for 30€. 30 € is in ny cases a good weekly budget

WE ARE DRIFTING AGAIN. Britishboy if you realy think so strongly about the rich and charety plese start a thread... We stil need to get to the bottom of why are people porem why does the society alove it and could it be prevented in the curent world model (final solutions can be found some other time, thow i alredy know what it is)

[Harry Smith]

make a thread on sexist phrases, I personally? dont care.

im sure you see the difference in expenses

every little helps is the phrase! but no still no difference, 1 child out of millions who will probably just die of something eles, the operations in Africa cost millions and do nothing, I personally am not a supporter of Africa but more cancer research, that again costs millions and a poor mans money will do nothing

This is just wrong in many ways. A 'poor man' money is the same value as the rich man, it doesn't matter who gives the money.

So when someone donates 4 pounds to Cancer research that doesn't make a difference?

Have some compassion, how can you even mention Cancer after being so cold about death. It's above ironic, but of course you only care because it effects you

poor mans money will do nothing

That is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong with a bit more wrong

The money will do something, it doesn't matter how small. Please retract this statement if you have any dignity

[britishboy]

This is just wrong in many ways. A 'poor man' money is the same value as the rich man, it doesn't matter who gives the money.

So when someone donates 4 pounds to Cancer research that doesn't make a difference?

Have some compassion, how can you even mention Cancer after being so cold about death. It's above ironic, but of course you only care because it effects you



That is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong with a bit more wrong

The money will do something, it doesn't matter how small. Please retract this statement if you have any dignity

ahh of course it makes a difference! a nice positive phrase but realisticly not that much difference

doesn't matter why I support it, everyone supports different causes

and sorry im not a hippie but im realistic about such things as poverty

the fact is a rich mans nothing makes a lot more than a poor mans house

it achives little because chyrety is not the answer!
Poor ,an money? The helth sistem draws its resaurces from the mases, take the mases away and leave the selfish rich, it crumbels



you can buy a lot for 30€. 30 € is in ny cases a good weekly budget

WE ARE DRIFTING AGAIN. Britishboy if you realy think so strongly about the rich and charety plese start a thread... We stil need to get to the bottom of why are people porem why does the society alove it and could it be prevented in the curent world model (final solutions can be found some other time, thow i alredy know what it is)

what about socialism? though I dont support it, it must be better for such causes?


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Harry Smith]

ahh of course it makes a difference! a nice positive phrase but realisticly not that much difference

doesn't matter why I support it, everyone supports different causes

and sorry im not a hippie but im realistic about such things as poverty

the fact is a rich mans nothing makes a lot more than a poor mans house

Good old rhetoric, when in doubt say something filled with hot air.

When did I say I was a hippie? I believe the war in Nam ended 40 years ago.

I believe you said

a poor mans money will do nothing

Why did you say this if you don't think it, the money does do something doesn't it? It helps a small amount. So do you take back this comment?

If everyone had this attitude I guarantee that the income of charities would fall.

[britishboy]

Good old rhetoric, when in doubt say something filled with hot air.

When did I say I was a hippie? I believe the war in Nam ended 40 years ago.

I believe you said



Why did you say this if you don't think it, the money does do something doesn't it? It helps a small amount. So do you take back this comment?

If everyone had this attitude I guarantee that the income of charities would fall.

ill try to reply to this tomorrow, im going to sleep now, im busy tomorrow so dont expect a reply

[Harry Smith]

ill try to reply to this tomorrow, im going to sleep now, im busy tomorrow so dont expect a reply

What? I shouldn't expect a reply but you'll try. That makes a whole lot of sense. good luck arguing your way out of the idea that a small donation does absolutely nothing for said charity

[Walter Powers]

What? I shouldn't expect a reply but you'll try. That makes a whole lot of sense. good luck arguing your way out of the idea that a small donation does absolutely nothing for said charity

Let the boy sleep.

I'm sure it was meant as an exaggeration.

[Harry Smith]

Let the boy sleep.

I'm sure it was meant as an exaggeration.

I asked if it was, it's just a pretty big statement to say that small donations don't do anything at all, all fairness if it was a slip of a tongue but it seems rather idiotic if anyone would hold that view because it's physically and grammatically wrong

[whatsgoinon53]

WHy are people poor? Many people ask themselves why do we have rich people and what do they do (almost nothing by the way).
I believe that when the problem of poverty and why there is poverty, we will be able to reengener our society to a state of no poor and no rich.

Some people will tel you that everione gets the same oportunety in our world, like plaing monopoly, but that is not the case in the real world, the game is riged some people get to play with only one dice while others play with two, some get 100 when passing go others 200 and stil belive they deserve to win.

I'm currently working in Uganda with my parents which is one of the poorest countries in the world. I think that most problems come from corrupt governments. Even in Africa though, the rich people are greedy. They are fat, their kids are fat, they waste their money of ridiculous things.

I find that in this country, everyone is happy, even the poor people. They don't complain at what they have and you never see them sad. But we western people ALWAYS complain about little things that don't even matter. You need to see it for yourself.

[Kameraden]

Frankly, I'm on the help ourselves and no one else boat. No one helped us to get where we are now (western society), we did it ourselves. Now, you all say the races and everyone is equal, if they are truly equal and one isn't more evolved than another, surely Africa and parts of Asia will be able to help themselves.

[tovaris]

I'm currently working in Uganda with my parents which is one of the poorest countries in the world. I think that most problems come from corrupt governments. Even in Africa though, the rich people are greedy. They are fat, their kids are fat, they waste their money of ridiculous things.

I find that in this country, everyone is happy, even the poor people. They don't complain at what they have and you never see them sad. But we western people ALWAYS complain about little things that don't even matter. You need to see it for yourself.

Thank you for your input.

I personaly don't believe that the conplaining part dependes on the colturebut the structure of the society. Meaning that if you keep the mases at the bottom ignorent enouth they will not know it could be better and therefor not vant it. In the west as you put it the level of uncensured information and education is slightly higher, that is the reason for the conplaining (and all the marxes and snowdans and assanges of all day).

Frankly, I'm on the help ourselves and no one else boat. No one helped us to get where we are now (western society), we did it ourselves. Now, you all say the races and everyone is equal, if they are truly equal and one isn't more evolved than another, surely Africa and parts of Asia will be able to help themselves.

Poverty is worldwide it isnt confined to Africa Or asia.
And fighting poverty isnt the same as eliminating the reson.

The "western society" is stil far from eliminating poverty in its mids (because they dont eliminate the reson)

[BrockRock]

Frankly, I'm on the help ourselves and no one else boat. No one helped us to get where we are now (western society), we did it ourselves. Now, you all say the races and everyone is equal, if they are truly equal and one isn't more evolved than another, surely Africa and parts of Asia will be able to help themselves.

You help people because its the right thing to do not because your obligated to. The richest people in the world help these undeveloped countries because of the different situations in these countries. Sure we as a species are equall-ish, but the societies there are certainly not.

Ill give you an example, you are in America and develop a new piece of technology, well not only with the right start up Capitol (easily gotten from the bank or investors) you can make it but then you patent it and are able to make a lot of money.

Now lets say you are in Africa, even if you are able to get the resources needed to make your product (which 9 times out of 10 you won't be able to) then when it's done the government/ local warlord comes around and steals it then kills you and your family.

Point is, we help other countries because although we are equal as individuals, we are far from that as societies.

[Harry Smith]

Frankly, I'm on the help ourselves and no one else boat. No one helped us to get where we are now (western society), we did it ourselves. Now, you all say the races and everyone is equal, if they are truly equal and one isn't more evolved than another, surely Africa and parts of Asia will be able to help themselves.

Because the area has been screwed over by the west for the last 100 years, many areas in Africa are very mineral rich. There's no difference in the people, I guarantee that western people would fair just as badly having to live off one dollar a day

[Kameraden]

Because the area has been screwed over by the west for the last 100 years, many areas in Africa are very mineral rich. There's no difference in the people, I guarantee that western people would fair just as badly having to live off one dollar a day

But we don't. And why is that? Because we chose the proper route of advancement rather than the stupid route of sitting in the savannah in tribes.

[tovaris]

But we don't. And why is that? Because we chose the proper route of advancement rather than the stupid route of sitting in the savannah in tribes.

You do know that in africa there were great universeties, cities, kingdoms, trade routs, before colonisation?

Hunter gadered societies dont inow powerty. Advance of society and industrie braught us (for some reasom) PCERTY.

[Harry Smith]

But we don't. And why is that? Because we chose the proper route of advancement rather than the stupid route of sitting in the savannah in tribes.

The oldest university in the world is in fact from Africa, I'm certain their are many westerns who sit in front of the TV in groups rather than going out to work. The nomadic tribes your reffering to actually tend to move around quite a lot with their livestock.

You sound like a bit of a Neo Nazi

[SaxyHaloBeast]

The notion that poverty is a problem that can just be fixed is ridiculous. There will always be people who have money and there will always be people who don't. It is no one's job or responsibility to make the poor not poor and the rich not rich. Some people will be born into a rich and wealthy family; others will be born into impoverished circumstances. It doesn't matter what hand you are dealt; it matters how you play. Maybe it is rigged, maybe it isn't. There will be some who succeed in life, and there will be some who don't. When everything is said and done, what it really comes down to is this. Did you do the best you could with the life that you had? It doesn't matter how much money you had, how many accomplishments you made, or anything else like that. The only thing that matters is how hard you tried. Whether you win or lose, always try.

[CharlieHorse]

bad luck and overpopulation and religion.

[tovaris]

The notion that poverty is a problem that can just be fixed is ridiculous. There will always be people who have money and there will always be people who don't. It is no one's job or responsibility to make the poor not poor and the rich not rich. Some people will be born into a rich and wealthy family; others will be born into impoverished circumstances. It doesn't matter what hand you are dealt; it matters how you play. Maybe it is rigged, maybe it isn't. There will be some who succeed in life, and there will be some who don't. When everything is said and done, what it really comes down to is this. Did you do the best you could with the life that you had? It doesn't matter how much money you had, how many accomplishments you made, or anything else like that. The only thing that matters is how hard you tried. Whether you win or lose, always try.

But why is therepowerty, the core reason.

(psst.: take away money, but that is a nother discusion)

[SaxyHaloBeast]

But why is therepowerty, the core reason.

(psst.: take away money, but that is a nother discusion)

Poverty: the state of being extremely poor; the state of being inferior in quality or insufficient in amount

Why is there poverty? Because not everyone is going to have the same amount of wealth, possessions, abilities, qualities, etc. Everyone has different circumstances that they must deal with.

Tell me what you think. Why is there poverty?

[Harry Smith]

But why is therepowerty, the core reason.

(psst.: take away money, but that is a nother discusion)

You do know their is a reason the developed world has relied on currency for the last 100 years.

The reason their is poverty is because of the corrupt governments that scatter the earth. Lack of access to contraception means that size of families in Africa is doubling, if you can limit the population then you can control poverty.

If you got rid of currency then we would all be in poverty

[pieman10]

Poverty exists because there are always jobs that must be done, someone always has to do worse jobs and for that reason the should get paid differently to people doing better more important jobs.
People must be paid differently.
Look at all the failed instances of true communism, it always fails because someone has to be in charge just like someone needs to have more wealth to pay workers.

[Harry Smith]

Poverty exists because there are always jobs that must be done, someone always has to do worse jobs and for that reason the should get paid differently to people doing better more important jobs.
People must be paid differently.
Look at all the failed instances of true communism, it always fails because someone has to be in charge just like someone needs to have more wealth to pay workers.

there's a difference between low wages and poverty, poverty means that you live on less than one US dollar a day, it's illegal in the UK to pay anyone less than 6.31 an hour, this is why poverty rates are very low in the UK.

The majority of people in poverty don't even have a job due to the lack of investment or support from their goverment

[pieman10]

Theres a really harsh solution to poverty.
Due to overpopulation and more efficient methods of doing jobs, theres now far far less jobs then people.
Perhaps a war to lower the world population would needed? It sounds horrible but the planet is overdue a world war!

[Harry Smith]

Theres a really harsh solution to poverty.
Due to overpopulation and more efficient methods of doing jobs, theres now far far less jobs then people.
Perhaps a war to lower the world population would needed? It sounds horrible but the planet is overdue a world war!

Well isn't that lovely, the planet was never due a world war in the first place, your honestly saying you'd think the world would be better covered in nuclear waste

[CharlieHorse]

Theres a really harsh solution to poverty.
Due to overpopulation and more efficient methods of doing jobs, theres now far far less jobs then people.
Perhaps a war to lower the world population would needed? It sounds horrible but the planet is overdue a world war!

How about people stop having 7 babies like in some middle eastern and Indian areas?
And people only have one child for a hundred years, the population will go down to a billion in no time.

[pieman10]

Well isn't that lovely, the planet was never due a world war in the first place, your honestly saying you'd think the world would be better covered in nuclear waste

I didn't say anything about a Nuclear war, allthough a nuclear war would be quick and rather efficient way of lowering the population ( the fallout is over exaggerated )

Actually if you look at the patterns of major wars in history, weve had a long break since a major one.

[Harry Smith]

I didn't say anything about a Nuclear war, allthough a nuclear war would be quick and rather efficient way of lowering the population ( the fallout is over exaggerated )

Actually if you look at the patterns of major wars in history, weve had a long break since a major one.

Yes, but the last one we had killed 55 million people. Not forgetting the one 20 years earlier which killed 20 million.

I'd love you to go to warzone, to watch your family get killed by a bomb they didn't hear. In fact I'd love you to watch young men getting slaughtered and then still say that we need death and destruction.

A nuclear war would end the world, have you been to Ukraine lately

[pieman10]

Theres a massive difference between a commercial nuclear accident and a weaponised nuclear device.

Most if not all nuclear weapons are designed to make a massive explosion with very little fallout.

[Harry Smith]

Theres a massive difference between a commercial nuclear accident and a weaponised nuclear device.

Most if not all nuclear weapons are designed to make a massive explosion with very little fallout.

And this justifies killing about 70 million people how?

[pieman10]

And this justifies killing about 70 million people how?

Im talking more than 70 million people.
By killing hundreds of millions you prevent the births of thousands of millions more.
You stop overpopulation and therefore you reduce poverty levels to almost non existant levels

[Harry Smith]

Im talking more than 70 million people.
By killing hundreds of millions you prevent the births of thousands of millions more.
You stop overpopulation and therefore you reduce poverty levels to almost non existant levels

You also reduce life to non existant levels, but I'm sure you'd be happy with your family dying wouldn't you?

[pieman10]

You also reduce life to non existant levels, but I'm sure you'd be happy with your family dying wouldn't you?

Im thinking of the bigger picture, if action isnt taken then surely the population will swell to uncontrollable levels?

And my solution will not reduce life to non existant levels, it will leave a far more sustainable population.

[Harry Smith]

Im thinking of the bigger picture, if action isnt taken then surely the population will swell to uncontrollable levels?

And my solution will not reduce life to non existant levels, it will leave a far more sustainable population.

Family planning or Genocide which one seems more realistic.

Boserup idea's suggest that man kind will always continue to develop and will find way to expand and invent and that population increase can be a managed and that it would not lead to a crisis.

[pieman10]

Family planning or Genocide which one seems more realistic.

Boserup idea's suggest that man kind will always continue to develop and will find way to expand and invent and that population increase can be a managed and that it would not lead to a crisis.

By definition Genocide is something totally different but I get where your coming from.
In this day and age mass killings seem far more likely than family planning.
Besides the only working family planning scheme is chinas one child policy, and thats far from perfect.

[tovaris]

You do know their is a reason the developed world has relied on currency for the last 100 years.

The reason their is poverty is because of the corrupt governments that scatter the earth. Lack of access to contraception means that size of families in Africa is doubling, if you can limit the population then you can control poverty.

If you got rid of currency then we would all be in poverty

Population control isent kee, the number of surviving children and mothers in those areas is rising due to advances in tehnologie that arent met by advances in society.

Poverty: the state of being extremely poor; the state of being inferior in quality or insufficient in amount

Why is there poverty? Because not everyone is going to have the same amount of wealth, possessions, abilities, qualities, etc. Everyone has different circumstances that they must deal with.

Tell me what you think. Why is there poverty?

The sistem is rotten at its core.

Poverty exists because there are always jobs that must be done, someone always has to do worse jobs and for that reason the should get paid differently to people doing better more important jobs.
People must be paid differently.
someone has to be in charge just like someone needs to have more wealth to pay workers.

I our part of the world having a job usualy puts you at leest at the edge of powerty thankfuly.
What kind of a society are we to alowe people to starve etc,...?

Theres a really harsh solution to poverty.
Due to overpopulation and more efficient methods of doing jobs, theres now far far less jobs then people.
Perhaps a war to lower the world population would needed? It sounds horrible but the planet is overdue a world war!

Are you serioue? you would simply kill people of because the few at the top would be unable to keep certan privilages? There are enouth jobs and food and space in the world for the curent numper of people.

Im talking more than 70 million people.
By killing hundreds of millions you prevent the births of thousands of millions more.
You stop overpopulation and therefore you reduce poverty levels to almost non existant levels

The erth is not ower populated! if we were to inhabit an area as dencly as New yourk is populated we would need an area only as large as Turkey.

Im thinking of the bigger picture, if action isnt taken then surely the population will swell to uncontrollable levels?

And my solution will not reduce life to non existant levels, it will leave a far more sustainable population.

Why not make the people stupid, deprive them of education and start an internal war so you can reduce their resaurces and keep them in check. (G. Orwel shoved us how this would work out).

By definition Genocide is something totally different but I get where your coming from.
In this day and age mass killings seem far more likely than family planning.
Besides the only working family planning scheme is chinas one child policy, and thats far from perfect.

You are like Tuđman and his ideas of the positive sides of genocide an mas killing.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

The sistem is rotten at its core.




But how is the system rotten? I've answered your question on why there is poverty, but you have yet to explain what you claim to be the core problem, the roots of poverty. Please tell me what the problem is and how you believe it should be fixed.

[tovaris]

But how is the system rotten? I've answered your question on why there is poverty, but you have yet to explain what you claim to be the core problem, the roots of poverty. Please tell me what the problem is and how you believe it should be fixed.

The core problem is the sistem, the fix is changing the sistem.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

The core problem is the sistem, the fox is changing the sistem.

What system? Explain the how the problem is the system. What fox and how is he changing the system?

[tovaris]

What system? Explain the how the problem is the system. What fox and how is he changing the system?

Corection:

The core problem is the sistem, the fix is changing the sistem.

The sistem we live in encourages a smal minorety to grab all the welth (80 per cent), 15 per cent is left for the middle an 5 for the lowest. that is what this sistem strives to, a minorety abusing mijorety.
change that the corect way and the world will be unable to have poverty.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

Corection:



The sistem we live in encourages a smal minorety to grab all the welth (80 per cent), 15 per cent is left for the middle an 5 for the lowest. that is what this sistem strives to, a minorety abusing mijorety.
change that the corect way and the world will be unable to have poverty.

I believe the system you are referring to is Capitalism. The system doesn't encourage the rich to take all the wealth so that not much is left for everyone else. The point of Capitalism, if it was actually implemented correctly, is that everyone has an equal chance and opportunity to buy and sell goods. Of course there are going to be those who take advantage of the system and there will be those who will get hurt by the system, but that is life, that is freedom.

You still haven't said what you mean by "the correct way" and how exactly you suggest we fix the system.

[Sugaree]

You still haven't said what you mean by "the correct way" and how exactly you suggest we fix the system.

"The correct way", according to him, is Communism. That's the supposed fix.