XP or Vista?

[mixedupfool]

ive had my laptop for about a year now,
its designed for XP, vista capable.

how does anyone reccomend vista?

its time to reformat and im thinking about going to vista

[Patchy]

I wouldnt say now is the best time, wait until the service pack comes out then I reckon it should be free of most errors.

[Tatsuya]

xp:)

[Aηdy]

Don't bother with Vista, you're paying and absoloutely stupid amount of money for something that does the same thing that XP did, except its slower and takes about 10x longer to do something simple like open network connections. Seriously I've ran Vista on 4 computers now, all of which are now running XP again. I find Vista so slow and annoying with the User Account Cotrol popping up every time you want to rename a damn file, delete or move something!

And I really doubt it's any more secure than XP because if you've got some good anti-virus and a firewall etc, then you're pretty safe. I also hate little things like Vista only has one network icon for all the adaptors in the taskbar, there's far too much stuff in the control panel which takes a good few seconds to load. I dont't like the start-menu either, I prefer a proper list I can see, not a tiny little thing I have to scroll through!

There's more I could go on about but I can't think of it right now lol.

[Blahages]

I haven't really found anything in Vista that I've liked over XP yet. Vista doesn't have anything that I use that I can't get out of XP. Some people find things that they say they like in Vista better, but I have not. The only reason I could put out there for any normal user to "upgrade" to Vista is if DirectX 10 games are a must. Otherwise, No.

I've gone into pages and pages of rambling about how Vista is a POS in the past, and I don't feel like doing it now. But, here's what I will recommend:

Think about what you do with your computer. Go to a store, like Best Buy or Circuit City and mess around with one of the Vista machines there for a while, or if you know someone with Vista see if you can mess around a little with their computer, and try it out. If for whatever reason you like Vista over XP, go with it. But, I personally, don't recommend it to anyone. XP will do 99% of the things Vista will do, but equally good or better, and faster. I've had Vista crash over the least of things. They've also needlessly rearranged parts of the operating system, such as a lot of the display settings, and other things that I use a lot, and moved them to obscure places, for no apparent reason. In the process, making it difficult for people who are used to the same process to get to certain places that have existed since Windows 95. In some sense, you have to relearn part of the OS.

I'm VERY good with getting around XP, and Customizing it. But, when I go to work on a Vista machine, although I CAN eventually find and accomplish most of what I set out to do, I end up finding myself taking an extra amount of time just trying to figure out where certain things are that have been moved from the usual place to another. It just gets aggravating. Many times, it adds several steps to accomplish one task that would take several less steps in past versions of Windows.

I've tried SP1 RC1 on Vista, and it has seemed to preform better, but it's still not up to par with what I want.

There's also so many aspects of Vista that I just don't like, that have nothing to do with a bug in the OS. It's simply the way MS designed it to work, or look. And, that's nothing an update or Service Pack is going to change.

And, just so you know, you can turned off UAC quite easily.

All OS's have their problems when they're first released. Heck, I didn't even like XP when it first came out. It it a while to convince me to move from 2000 to XP. I even installed it, and Uninstalled it and reverted back to Windows 2000 for a while. I didn't really like XP until SP2 was released.

I'd give Vista a few service packs before I'd think about trying it. I doubt I'd use it even then.

[dodgeman09]

vista is a horrble attempt to be more like mak

[Aηdy]

And, just so you know, you can turned off UAC quite easily.

You can, but then you have the big red cross and Vista bugging you about it all the damn time!

I'm VERY good with getting around XP, and Customizing it. But, when I go to work on a Vista machine, although I CAN eventually find and accomplish most of what I set out to do, I end up finding myself taking an extra amount of time just trying to figure out where certain things are that have been moved from the usual place to another. It just gets aggravating. Many times, it adds several steps to accomplish one task that would take several less steps in past versions of Windows.

I completely agree with that. For those of us who do a bit more than check their emails and the odd game of solitaire, it's really hard to use because of all the extra steps needed!

They're broken something that was 95% good.

Vista isn't going to replace XP like newer versions used to such as Windows 98 replaced Windows 95 etc, that only worked because the OS did a lot more. And also because so many millions of computers run XP, they're not going to for out over £100 for Vista.


vista is a horrble attempt to be more like mak


In a way it is. And it's Mac, not "mak".

[0=]

Another thing, you said vista capable. That means it will hardly run the operating system, which runs slowly even on very fast computers. If you install Vista on your laptop it will crawl so slowly you'll throw the damn thing out the window.

[Blahages]

You can, but then you have the big red cross and Vista bugging you about it all the damn time!

You can shut that off too. :)

[Aηdy]

Another thing, you said vista capable. That means it will hardly run the operating system, which runs slowly even on very fast computers. If you install Vista on your laptop it will crawl so slowly you'll throw the damn thing out the window.

My laptop is Vista capable, I got it a few months before Vista came out, its more than good enough to power vista.

You can shut that off too. :)

Yeah well, its still bloody stupid that you have to turn the damn thing off lol!

I don't understand how, the cheap computers I've seen at PC World, something like 1.6GHz Intel Celeron, 512mb RAM, 60GB HDD, CD-R (Not even CD-RW, Shitty onboard graphics, with vista home basic on it. It was stupidly slow and I can't believe they're selling shit like that!

[0=]

Vista capable generally refers to a lower-end computer. Vista premium ready or whatever they call it is for systems that are above bare minimum. Of course I stopped tracking Vista a long time ago, so they may have changed their terminology without me knowing.

[Aηdy]

My laptop certainly isn't low spec. It just means that it was sold before Vista was released, and can run vista because all the hardware os compatible.

[0=]

Ah, fucking terminology. I hate marketing.

[mixedupfool]

i decided to stick with vista,
i played around on my dads computer (which is like, 4 years old, and nothing in it makes it vista capable except the 1 terabyte hard drive he has in it) it was pretty fastish, for a vista prgram, but the only thing i liked on it were the games. so i mean, no point changing what i know just for the games.

xp is the way to gooooooo

im thinking about getting a new laptop soon, ill try vista on it then probally take it off and put xp on it.

[Blahages]

i decided to stick with vista

You mean XP? If not, that kind of contradicts the rest of your post. http://forums.govteen.com/images/smilies/pokeytongue.gif

[Aηdy]

You mean XP? If not, that kind of contradicts the rest of your post. http://forums.govteen.com/images/smilies/pokeytongue.gif

Lol I thought the same when I read the post!

[jma94]

Well i know people who have gotten vista. They hate it. Its kinda glitchy. And its the same thing as XP but slower and with a different style.

[Patchy]

well when I use vista and when I am about to run a installation the screen goes blank and then the run/cancel window comes up that so annoys me coz I think my power supply cable has been knocked out.

[Aηdy]

On the computer I use vista on the screen always goes blank, stupid load of crap.

[Blahages]

well when I use vista and when I am about to run a installation the screen goes blank and then the run/cancel window comes up that so annoys me coz I think my power supply cable has been knocked out.

On the computer I use vista on the screen always goes blank, stupid load of crap.

It's called Vista's UAC (User Account Control), and it's there to "Protect" your computer, although it's not going to stop everything, and people just get to the point where they just hit allow for everything. You can turn it off if you want, so it never bothers you.

http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm

Method #4.

[Patchy]

It's called Vista's UAC (User Account Control), and it's there to "Protect" your computer, although it's not going to stop everything, and people just get to the point where they just hit allow for everything. You can turn it off if you want, so it never bothers you.

http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm

Method #4.

Yeah I know its UAC but hte screen shouldnt need to go blank, on xp it doesnt when a run/cancel box comes up

[hievery1]

vista :) straight on bro its better i have had both and currently running vista

[Blahages]

Yeah I know its UAC but hte screen shouldnt need to go blank, on xp it doesnt when a run/cancel box comes up

The screen doesn't go black in Vista like that unless it's UAC. The Run/Cancel Dialog isn't UAC. It's just a security prompt asking if you want to run a program. That's why the XP one doesn't do that. The Vista one is asking for Administrative Privileges to run this, while the XP one already automatically allows Administrative Privileges for the program to run, it just wants to make sure you're wanting to run this.

It probably does this in Vista to get your attention, and say "Pay attention, and read this, this is important."

[Whisper]

dude I've got ultimate and vistas shit
a lil eye candy ya like a shitty rip off of a mac
but its so fucking slow
and has so many glitches

[Aηdy]

I agree totally Cody lol!

The screen doesn't go black in Vista like that unless it's UAC. The Run/Cancel Dialog isn't UAC. It's just a security prompt asking if you want to run a program. That's why the XP one doesn't do that. The Vista one is asking for Administrative Privileges to run this, while the XP one already automatically allows Administrative Privileges for the program to run, it just wants to make sure you're wanting to run this.

It probably does this in Vista to get your attention, and say "Pay attention, and read this, this is important."

My screen does go completely blank, and the monitor says its about to go into standby for a second before it all comes back again, it shouldn't do that!! Its not just a thing for attention, because it dims the rest of the screen so that you can't click on anything else. And it's a complete waste of time becase no-one ever reads what it says, they just accept it.

[Whisper]

those things?
there important?
i always thought it was like a built in pin-yada
cept instead of good candy just some standard crappy program opens

yaaaaay

[Aηdy]

They're supposed to be important, but they're so annoying in anger most people click allow to make it fuck off lol!

[Blahages]

My screen does go completely blank, and the monitor says its about to go into standby for a second before it all comes back again, it shouldn't do that!! Its not just a thing for attention, because it dims the rest of the screen so that you can't click on anything else. And it's a complete waste of time because no-one ever reads what it says, they just accept it.

I never had mine attempt to go into standby.

But, you really didn't make sense at the end of that. :)

You said it's not just a thing to get your attention because it dims the rest of the screen so you can't click anything else.

How isn't it trying to get your attention? It makes it so you can ONLY click that?

And, although I don't particularly like the feature, it comes down to the fact that the feature is there to help prevent random programs like spyware from installing. If the user ignores the prompts, and just hits "Allow" whose fault is that? It's the user's. They should be paying attention to the prompt.

[Aηdy]

I could swear I replied to this thread lol! Anyway..

I don't mean the computer go into standby, but the monitor loses signal for long enough for it to say it's about to go into standby.

Yes, I contradicted myself a bit there lol.

I agree it's a good idea, but XP and versions before that were perfectly safe without it. And on my laptop I've never had a virus that's caused any harm running XP, yet on the desktop downstairs running Vista, it's had 2 viruses bad enough to have to restore windows again.

Unfortunately I'll have to run Vista on my new computer if I want to run DX-10. But that won't be a problem as I'll just dual-boot with XP :)

[robbiehay1]

XP rocks !!!! :)