North korea...

[Yolo98]

How do we actually know the people of North Korea are unhappy. All the signs seem to indicate that but all the propaganda and nationalism might stir emotions which may lead to enlightenment and patriotism. Just my two cents.

[Seth.]

That could be. There's an awful lot of tension going on with N. Korea that's for sure. I try not to watch much news about it because it makes me nervous.

[STEALTHy]

Well we can never know for certain I suppose on how many like and dislike their government in North Korea, because it is completely blocked off from any form of communication to the outside world. The fact is though thousands of people have risked limb and life to escape North Korea and now live in South Korea, USA, Taiwan, Japan, and along with many other nations. If you were to look up some videos of people and their experiences when they escaped and lived in North Korea you could tell they did not like it there what so ever from what they say.

[Seth.]

The fact is though thousands of people have risked limb and life to escape North Korea and now live in South Korea, USA, Taiwan, Japan, and along with many other nations. If you were to look up some videos of people and their experiences when they escaped and lived in North Korea you could tell they did not like it there what so ever from what they say.

That is a very good point.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I'd be pretty unhappy too if there was widespread famine in my country.

I honestly don't see how the government's propaganda and forced patriotism could lead the country into an age of enlightenment. But I'll accept what you're saying for argument's sake, and counter with this: The government has been gushing out propaganda like crazy for decades, ever since they signed the armistice with the South. And so far, the country hasn't really seen any benefits.

Also, nationalism can't lead to anything good. It's excess ( coupled with the isolationist policies ) in the North is one of the factors that makes everyone's lives so damn miserable.

[removeddddd]

Please research more about the country before you say that, Millions of people have died in NK duetostarvation and the food they receive in donation goes to the party leaders and the military, people are indoctrinated into loving their "dear" leader and have no idea what's going on in the outside world as their government feeds them lies.

There are many documentaries about it, I suggest you watch those.

[DerBear]

We can only ever truly assume but I guess the people or some of the do like their leader.

[Yolo98]

Please research more about the country before you say that, Millions of people have died in NK duetostarvation and the food they receive in donation goes to the party leaders and the military, people are indoctrinated into loving their "dear" leader and have no idea what's going on in the outside world as their government feeds them lies.

There are many documentaries about it, I suggest you watch those.

Theres no hard evidence for that. You cant prove it. Even though its probably true we do not know the whole story.

[removeddddd]

The people who have defected from North Korea all say the country commits atrocities to its own people and if you speak against it, you would be punished and worked to death in a prison camp which are basically modern day concentration camps.

[tovaris]

There is no evidence they are unhappy. They just recently releced their own tablet :)

[Human]

You can tell the people are unhappy, watch some documentaries where people go into NK, the people know they're being oppressed in most cases, and they're all very lonely.

[britishboy]

I pretty sure the people who are in concentration camps because their grandfather called the supreme leader a bad name is sad

[Korashk]

How do we actually know the people of North Korea are unhappy.
Outside major cities they often have to resort to cannibalism in order to avoid starvation.

[Yolo98]

Ok so North Korea probably is the most dire country to live in in the world, ill admit.

[Jean Poutine]

Go to North Korea and examine the faces of the people you'll see in Pyongyang. Also notice how they all scurry away like rats because they see your white self approaching.

I've never been there, but I've read a lot of travel logs and my dream is one day to go and see for myself. They either aren't happy or couldn't care less.

[Stronk Serb]

It depends who you ask. The worker, the soldier, the party member. I will go and see for myself one day.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

There is no evidence they are unhappy. They just recently releced their own tablet :)

Yay for them!

Even though they have nothing to eat, now they can spend their evenings learning how to properly line up to show support for their Great Leader from their tablets.

[Sugaree]

How do we actually know the people of North Korea are unhappy. All the signs seem to indicate that but all the propaganda and nationalism might stir emotions which may lead to enlightenment and patriotism. Just my two cents.

"Hey, all this propaganda makes North Korea look like a swell country! Surely there's nothing wrong with how they treat their civilians!"

You've obviously ignored the hard labor camps that well over half the population of North Korea are forced to work in. You've obviously ignored the fact that the average North Korean hardly eats anything of substance and that the government turned its back on them in favor of building ONE city (Pyongyang) to look like some mega metropolis.

Enlightenment and patriotism have nothing to do with it. When defectors come out and tell of the horrors they witnessed, I'm not going to say one positive thing about North Korea.

There is no evidence they are unhappy. They just recently releced their own tablet :)

Well good for them, maybe they can eat the tablet in hopes that it gets them the proper nutrition that over half the fucking population needs. Seriously, are you fucking idiot?

[tovaris]

"Hey, all this propaganda makes North Korea look like a swell country! Surely there's nothing wrong with how they treat their civilians!"

You've obviously ignored the hard labor camps that well over half the population of North Korea are forced to work in. You've obviously ignored the fact that the average North Korean hardly eats anything of substance and that the government turned its back on them in favor of building ONE city (Pyongyang) to look like some mega metropolis.

Enlightenment and patriotism have nothing to do with it. When defectors come out and tell of the horrors they witnessed, I'm not going to say one positive thing about North Korea.



Well good f:yes:or them, maybe they can eat the tablet in hopes that it gets them the proper nutrition that over half the fucking population needs. Seriously, are you fucking idiot?

I didnt say they arent unhappy starving or in fear of labor camps i said there is no hard evidence for it.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I didnt say they arent unhappy starving or in fear of labor camps i said there is no hard evidence for it.

You mean people risking life and limb to escape isn't proof enough for you? Let's forget about the famine for a minute, and focus on their batshit crazy leader who locks away his own people in labor camps, and every now and then kills a few. You know, for no good reason.

[tovaris]

You mean people risking life and limb to escape isn't proof enough for you? Let's forget about the famine for a minute, and focus on their batshit crazy leader who locks away his own people in labor camps, and every now and then kills a few. You know, for no good reason.

Noone, at leest on my side is saing that that doesnt happen, but we do not have any hard evidence.

[removeddddd]

Noone, at leest on my side is saing that that doesnt happen, but we do not have any hard evidence.


Do satellite images count as hard evidence?

also there are people who sneak into NK and secretly film what's going on. theres footage of one of the prison camps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhO_A75NKQ8

That I think should count as your hard evidence. Also they're not even communist, there are markets where people sell shit.

[tovaris]

Do satellite images count as hard evidence?

also there are people who sneak into NK and secretly film what's going on. theres footage of one of the prison camps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhO_A75NKQ8

That I think should count as your hard evidence. Also they're not even communist, there are markets where people sell shit.

they are ruoed by a fashist dictator

im court all photograhic and videografic evidence is circumstemtial and treated as tainted. Especely it it was taken without permition than it counts for nothing.
This is what i am talking about it is next to inposible to prove.

[Kameraden]

I've heard that North Korea has developed suicide-nuclear-bombers.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

they are ruoed by a fashist dictator

im court all photograhic and videografic evidence is circumstemtial and treated as tainted. Especely it it was taken without permition than it counts for nothing.
This is what i am talking about it is next to inposible to prove.

So, you don't accept those videos as fact just because a court wouldn't?

Those videos exist and they show the misery and terrible conditions North Koreans live in everyday. That's as much evidence as you can get. As for the courts...who cares? Kim's not on trial. Yet.

[tovaris]

So, you don't accept those videos as fact just because a court wouldn't?

Those videos exist and they show the misery and terrible conditions North Koreans live in everyday. That's as much evidence as you can get. As for the courts...who cares? Kim's not on trial. Yet.

its not about my personal opinion, that is that they are endeed unhapoy, but about gaining hard evidence so to in a way present it to a fictionar „court” that would return a verdict of suffering koreans, hard evidence my dear not ooinions and beliefes.

[Harry Smith]

its not about my personal opinion, that is that they are endeed unhapoy, but about gaining hard evidence so to in a way present it to a fictionar „court” that would return a verdict of suffering koreans, hard evidence my dear not ooinions and beliefes.

Hard evidence? Earlier you claimed that video's and pictures didn't count one bit in court, trust me they do. Especially in espionage, that'e how we collect evidence through satellites and drones.

There is solid evidence of concerntraion camps in North Korea, there's a bell which wakes all workers up at 7 to go to work in a factory, they live in houses were you can't turn off the radio-which gives out nice propaganda all day.

Look at the Hotel in North Korea

2yBiW9LB_HA

[tovaris]

Hard evidence? Earlier you claimed that video's and pictures didn't count one bit in court, trust me they do. Especially in espionage, that'e how we collect evidence through satellites and drones.

There is solid evidence of concerntraion camps in North Korea, there's a bell which wakes all workers up at 7 to go to work in a factory, they live in houses were you can't turn off the radio-which gives out nice propaganda all day.

Look at the Hotel in North Korea

2yBiW9LB_HA

video is circumstental tainted evideence, if taken without permision or, and knowlage of those filmed it isnt exeptable at all, that is the law. And espionage is elegal, spies can be shot on seight acording to The convention.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

its not about my personal opinion, that is that they are endeed unhapoy, but about gaining hard evidence so to in a way present it to a fictionar „court” that would return a verdict of suffering koreans, hard evidence my dear not ooinions and beliefes.

Your post is so messed up I don't even know where to begin. Let's start with the important bit. What do you mean by " fictionar " ?

[tovaris]

Your post is so messed up I don't even know where to begin. Let's start with the important bit. What do you mean by " fictionar " ?

fictional,... made up, fiction

[Harry Smith]

video is circumstental tainted evideence, if taken without permision or, and knowlage of those filmed it isnt exeptable at all, that is the law. And espionage is elegal, spies can be shot on seight acording to The convention.

By your theory the Holocaust didn't happen then? Videos of the death camp prisoners were used in the Nuremberg trial to convict major Nazis. They don't need the premission, do you really think the NK leadership would let major human rights groups film in North Korea.

It's funny how you always distance communism from NK and Soviet russia, but here you are defending a totalitarian regime which oppresses its people

[tovaris]

By your theory the Holocaust didn't happen then? Videos of the death camp prisoners were used in the Nuremberg trial to convict major Nazis. They don't need the premission, do you really think the NK leadership would let major human rights groups film in North Korea.

It's funny how you always distance communism from NK and Soviet russia, but here you are defending a totalitarian regime which oppresses its people

the german def camps were found and documented first hand, they actuly found wals. Nuremberg trials were also ages ago...
And its not my theory its the law dont loock at me.

[Harry Smith]

the german def camps were found and documented first hand, they actuly found wals.
And its not my theory its the law dont loock at me.

It's not the law actually, if the Video and Photo evidence is documented properly then it's fine.

It's a massive mistake to think that any source is bad purely on the Nature- you can't say a photo is bad because it's a photo. Photo's of victims bodies and evidence are used in court everyday so I have no idea where your idea is from.

But please go back to your case about how you love North Korea and the ideal socialist life