Women should be allowed to go topless in public or men should have to cover up.

[Zelder]

I think that it's unfair that men are allowed to go without a shirt (or anything covering their chest) in public and yet women will be charged with indecent exposure if they do it. I think this is wrong. The law should be changed so that either men have to wear a shirt at the beach, or women should be allowed to go topless anywhere a man can. What do you think?

Side note: In France women swim topless all the time.

[Jess]

Um, no. I think it's better if we women cover up. I don't want to see women's *cough* chests

But that's just me....

[Synyster Shadows]

I, for one, agree. It's just another way our society is sexist and shit. It might be a bit odd at first, letting women to go topless in public, but I think you're right, and it would become accepted at some point in time. This is the thing I hate about the US - they say that all people, regardless of gender, race, etc are equal, yet there are laws or regulations of whatever you want to call them that separate those groups. I never understood that. If the gov't is going to say these things, why aren't they upheld? I totally agree, Katie. Or the guys cover up. Either way, it would make things fair.

[Sugaree]

Um, no. I think it's better if we women cover up. I don't want to see women's *cough* chests

But that's just me....

Why be uncomfortable with the human body?

[teen.jpg]

I think women should be able to be topless. It's kind of a double-standard.

[CharlieHorse]

i think guys should cover up. am i the only one? mostly because im just jealous of the guys that go running and have perfect bodies and dont wear shirts. makes me feel ugly and fat.

[Kameraden]

No -- absolutely not. Men's chests have nothing to do with reproduction while women's do. Don't be absurd.

[Abyssal Echo]

It is a double standard I think women should be able to go topless if they want to.

[teen.jpg]

No -- absolutely not. Men's chests have nothing to do with reproduction while women's do. Don't be absurd.

Not 100%. Some men CAN lactate, and they are still able to go topless.

[Kameraden]

Not 100%. Some men CAN lactate, and they are still able to go topless.

Only if they're unlucky enough to have incorrect hormones. It's not a double standard at all, it's simple decency. Breasts are, on women, sexual organs. That's that.

[Rizzler]

you want us to walk around with boners

[teen.jpg]

Only if they're unlucky enough to have incorrect hormones. It's not a double standard at all, it's simple decency. Breasts are, on women, sexual organs. That's that.

And why is that a problem? If someone wants to walk around naked, who's to say they can't? It's their body ...

you want us to walk around with boners

......

[Kameraden]

And why is that a problem? If someone wants to walk around naked, who's to say they can't? It's their body ...


If they want to live in our country, they will live by our rules.

[StoppingTime]

If they want to live in our country, they will live by our rules.

This implies women live in a country run by men and must follow the laws of men..


Anyway I don't see why this shouldn't be permitted. They're sexual because we make them sexual; they don't have to be.

[lrg10002]

No -- absolutely not. Men's chests have nothing to do with reproduction while women's do. Don't be absurd.

Exactly. Society has evolved such that exterior reproductive organs are considered "private", and should be hidden in public. Since, like Kameraden said, males do not have reproductive organs on their chests, they can fully expose their upper bodies. Regardless of if its "right" or "wrong", its the law.

Although I do want to point something out- Most men will go shirtless at the beach, but rarely anywhere else. You just don't see that many guys out around town without shirts on (maybe its just my part of the world, but I have yet to see more than a few shirtless guys a week). Many beaches let women go topless.

All in all, the argument can be approached from many different angles. Not many would have an objection if women had always been allowed to go topless. However, since it has been the social norm to "cover up" for many many years, to suddenly change that would be out of the comfort zone for many people, and would create unnecessary backlash.

[britishboy]

I think that it's unfair that men are allowed to go without a shirt (or anything covering their chest) in public and yet women will be charged with indecent exposure if they do it. I think this is wrong. The law should be changed so that either men have to wear a shirt at the beach, or women should be allowed to go topless anywhere a man can. What do you think?

Side note: In France women swim topless all the time.

being a guy love the idea haha:P but on a serious not it lacks foundation and commun sence why do you want this?

[Sugaree]

being a guy love the idea haha:P but on a serious not it lacks foundation and commun sence why do you want this?

It doesn't lack foundation or common sense. If a man can walk around shirtless, why can't a woman do the same? The double standard doesn't hold up. And no, a woman's breasts have absolutely NOTHING to do with her reproductive system. The reproductive system revolves around the vulva, not the chest area. Men have breasts too, just minus the fatty tissues that women have.

Again, why are people here afraid of simple biology? It's just a human body, it's not going to harm your eyes or mentally scar you knowing that a bare tit is out in the open.

[Walter Powers]

i think guys should cover up. am i the only one? mostly because im just jealous of the guys that go running and have perfect bodies and dont wear shirts. makes me feel ugly and fat.

I agree. But maybe because I have this weird birth defect where there's kinda a dent in the middle of my chest, and people always ask about it :( I wish it was more acceptable for guys to swim with something covering there chest of some sort. People on here say we should be comfortable with pur bodies and show them off, but my mentality is that it's just better for everyone's self esteem if we keep those areas covered.

[Cygnus]

I don't know whats so bad about breasts and nipples, everybody has them.

[LouBerry]

No -- absolutely not. Men's chests have nothing to do with reproduction while women's do. Don't be absurd.

So what? Yes, I can feed my child with my boobs, that makes them indecent? I don't have children now, I'm not breast feeding, so right now, my breasts have nothing to do with reproduction.

Unless you are saying that they have something to do with reproduction as far as men getting turned on by them. In that case, I have a thing for muscly arms, should all men have to cover their arms?

[CharlieHorse]

how about no more clothes for everyone! :D

[Elysium]

New York recently revised their previous standing on this.

I'd link an article, but it has "explicit" pictures. I'm sure you could look it up just as easily if you're interested.

I agree, but with so many people as pigheaded, perverted, stubborn, and chauvinistic as they tend to be, it's probably best to start slow. Of course, that's an exaggeration, but as of right now I don't think it's something people are ready for. Perhaps, hopefully, in the future, this will be more of an accepted idea.

Ladies of New York, you are free to walk bare-breasted through the city! New York City's 34,000 police officers have been instructed that, should they encounter a woman in public who is shirtless but obeying the law, they should not arrest her. This is a good step towards gender parity in public spaces.

This decision means that breast exposure is not considered public lewdness, indecent exposure, or disorderly conduct. It also notes that, should a crowd form around a topless woman, the officer should instruct the crowd to disperse and then respond appropriately if it does not. Relative coverage is no longer a factor.

...

Though bare-breasted women might shock the sensibilities of some in the public, it is encouraging to see the police responding positively to gender bias, even on such a seemingly small scale. After all, no one thinks twice about a man shirtless on a summer day. However, the female nipple or chest is still considered “lewd.” By reminding its officers of this, the NYPD is publicly declaring that it will no longer perpetuate unconstitutional gender discrimination, a standard to which all law enforcement should be held and a decision for which it should be applauded.

[thatcountrykid]

Not to sound like a pig haha but i wouldnt mind.

[britishboy]

It doesn't lack foundation or common sense. If a man can walk around shirtless, why can't a woman do the same? The double standard doesn't hold up. And no, a woman's breasts have absolutely NOTHING to do with her reproductive system. The reproductive system revolves around the vulva, not the chest area. Men have breasts too, just minus the fatty tissues that women have.

Again, why are people here afraid of simple biology? It's just a human body, it's not going to harm your eyes or mentally scar you knowing that a bare tit is out in the open.

the fact of the matter is that it will be sexualized

[Stronk Serb]

Yeah, they should. But the problem is many males get turned on by them, and some problems may occur. If I can go shirtless, why some woman can't?

[britishboy]

Yeah, they should. But the problem is many males get turned on by them, and some problems may occur. If I can go shirtless, why some woman can't?

thats it in theory but as you said its a turn on and pervs may take photos etc ect

[Sugaree]

the fact of the matter is that it will be sexualized

Only because certain people WANT to sexualize it.

[britishboy]

Only because certain people WANT to sexualize it.

I agree, but this is why it cant be allowed, I would be for it otherwise

[Sugaree]

I agree, but this is why it cant be allowed, I would be for it otherwise

So you're going to let a minority opinion influence what, presumably, the majority would be fine with?

[britishboy]

So you're going to let a minority opinion influence what, presumably, the majority would be fine with?

the vast majority sexualize breasts, thats why nudists are so few in number

[Human]

I don't think men should be made to cover up, that's just adding more laws and doesn't solve a problem.
I do agree that women should be allowed to go topless, in fact I'm pretty much for nudity in most places.

[Zelder]

thats it in theory but as you said its a turn on and pervs may take photos etc ect

But shouldn't it be the women's choice? If she feels like people are perving she can cover them, if not, she doesn't have to.

What do you think about the idea of just making both men and women wear shirts, for equality's sake? Or do you like being able to take off your shirt when it's hot out? Talk about hypocritical.

[Moondust]

No -- absolutely not. Men's chests have nothing to do with reproduction while women's do. Don't be absurd.

Babies aren't made with breasts, you know

[PinkFloyd]

The way I see it, society makes it sexual, so it's not okay because ANYTHING sexual is like awful for some stupid reason.
It's really too bad when you think about it..

[britishboy]

But shouldn't it be the women's choice? If she feels like people are perving she can cover them, if not, she doesn't have to.

What do you think about the idea of just making both men and women wear shirts, for equality's sake? Or do you like being able to take off your shirt when it's hot out? Talk about hypocritical.

women wear bikinis... and guys are actually more covered up, we wear shorts, society is not ready for this

[Moondust]

I dunno...for the longest time, people have been influenced by media saying that breasts are private and if anyone looks at them, they've committed a "perverted act".
Yet again...that's treating women like sex objects. I could care less if someone looked at mine, it would just be kind of awkward if they couldn't just look at my eyes instead.
The only thing I think should be covered up from anybody but the significant other would be...down there...like guys. Of course, then people who grew up thinking it was bad would never go to the beach or anywhere like that.
After all, all a girl does with them is feed her babies, and actually, when a person is being developed, they all start out with the same basic structure as girls, but as they are closer to being born, they start to take on the structure of a guy or girl. That's why guys have those not-as-big things on their chest.
I hope that after a while, people realize that it doesn't matter if a person is a guy or girl, that they all are different and shouldn't be treated a certain way.

[Zelder]

women wear bikinis... and guys are actually more covered up, we wear shorts, society is not ready for this

Yes but guys can wear speedos, those cover less then a Bikini. It's unfair not to let women do this, unless you boys agree to cover up your chests also. Either you should make male openchestedness illegal, or female toplessness should be legal. What do you think, you cover up or let us go topless if we want?

[britishboy]

Yes but guys can wear speedos, those cover less then a Bikini. It's unfair not to let women do this, unless you boys agree to cover up your chests also. Either you should make male openchestedness illegal, or female toplessness should be legal. What do you think, you cover up or let us go topless if we want?

grow up, its commun sence, why do you want to get your boobs out so much? ill tell you how people will react:
hot girl gets topless, wolfwhisles, slaps on the ass and men staring and ugly girl will get the opposite

[Zelder]

grow up, its commun sence, why do you want to get your boobs out so much? ill tell you how people will react:
hot girl gets topless, wolfwhisles, slaps on the ass and men staring and ugly girl will get the opposite

So would you be in favor of a law that prohibits BOTH men and women from showing there chests in public? It's only fair.

[britishboy]

So would you be in favor of a law that prohibits BOTH men and women from showing there chests in public? It's only fair.

you should like a 5 year old in the playground, women can breast feed in public and thats all that's needed, have some class and keep your clothes on.

[Zelder]

you should like a 5 year old in the playground, women can breast feed in public and thats all that's needed, have some class and keep your clothes on.

You men should have some class and keep your clothes on and cover up your chests, too. It's a double standard.

[britishboy]

You men should have some class and keep your clothes on and cover up your chests, too. It's a double standard.

I do, unless im at the beach or in my pool or anyone else's pool, im always with friends and my gf has never complained, of keeping her bikini on.

what country are you from? and why do you want to get topless so much? and btw because men can is not a good reason, is it for a tan? it turns you on? you wanna get laid? or do you wanna compare your breasts to others?

[Harry Smith]

I do, unless im at the beach or in my pool or anyone else's pool, im always with friends and my gf has never complained, of keeping her bikini on.

what country are you from? and why do you want to get topless so much? and btw because men can is not a good reason, is it for a tan? it turns you on? you wanna get laid? or do you wanna compare your breasts to others?

Talk about thinking with your cock

Why does it have to be sexual one bit? Not everyone is a horny teenager

[britishboy]

Talk about thinking with your cock

Why does it have to be sexual one bit? Not everyone is a horny teenager

excuse me?!

[Harry Smith]

excuse me?!

You seemed to imply that the only reason women would go topless is because of sexual reasons, also you asked Zelder if they wanted it so they could get laid?

You've also made some very sketchy comments on here about 'ugly' girls and you've supported making women sexual objects

[Zelder]

I do, unless im at the beach or in my pool or anyone else's pool, im always with friends and my gf has never complained, of keeping her bikini on.

what country are you from? and why do you want to get topless so much? and btw because men can is not a good reason, is it for a tan? it turns you on? you wanna get laid? or do you wanna compare your breasts to others?

You are totally thinking with your cock.

I'm from Chicago. I simply want the same rights as every man in this country. As a matter of principal, I see no reason why you should be allowed to show your nipples in public, and I can't. The logical solution is to make it so that you can't show them off either.

[RoseyCadaver]

I'm totally for it. It's such a stupid law and norm people place on breast. If someone is so afraid of looking at a woman's breast, then they don't have to. Same for anything.

[britishboy]

You seemed to imply that the only reason women would go topless is because of sexual reasons, also you asked Zelder if they wanted it so they could get laid?

You've also made some very sketchy comments on here about 'ugly' girls and
you've supported making women sexual objects

what working class dump was you raised in? what filthy state school did you attend? nobody should speak to me how you did, I respect you it would br nice if you could return the favor.
1) no heat and gender equality are factors
2) I was making a point, theres no reason for a girl to go topless
3) ive said what public reactions to hot and ugly girls going topless
4) men and women are sexualized, I dont know why everyone bangs on about women

I'm totally for it. It's such a stupid law and norm people place on breast. If someone is so afraid of looking at a woman's breast, then they don't have to. Same for anything.

you can breast feed and i just dont see the need, it will offend so many and gains so little

You are totally thinking with your cock.

I'm from Chicago. I simply want the same rights as every man in this country. As a matter of principal, I see no reason why you should be allowed to show your nipples in public, and I can't. The logical solution is to make

if I was thinking with my cock I would say strip off but im not

I do see your point and would be for it however it will offend a lot of people
it so that you can't show them off either.

[Harry Smith]

what working class dump was you raised in? what filthy state school did you attend? nobody should speak to me how you did, I respect you it would br nice if you could return the favor.


Did you really just say that?

[britishboy]

Did you really just say that?

actually I typed it are you going to apologize?

[Zelder]

what working class dump was you raised in? what filthy state school did you attend? nobody should speak to me how you did, I respect you it would br nice if you could return the favor.
1) no heat and gender equality are factors
2) I was making a point, theres no reason for a girl to go topless
3) ive said what public reactions to hot and ugly girls going topless
4) men and women are sexualized, I dont know why everyone bangs on about women



you can breast feed and i just dont see the need, it will offend so many and gains so little



if I was thinking with my cock I would say strip off but im not

I do see your point and would be for it however it will offend a lot of people
it so that you can't show them off either.

It will offend a lot of people if guys have to cover up there chests? That's ultimately what my intention was to advocate when I started this thread.it's unfair so men should have to cover up too. What logical argument do you have against that idea?

I don't care how filthy rich you one percenters are, there's no need to brag and demean us who aren't so fortunate.

[Harry Smith]

actually I typed it are you going to apologize?

Your asking me to apologize because you said I go to a filthy state school?

[RoseyCadaver]

you can breast feed and i just dont see the need, it will offend so many and gains so little


You don't see...the benefit of breast feeding...publicly I hope.

It's not like a woman is showing all of her breast(not like that should an issue either). Anyways, that is just a trail off this debate.

what working class dump was you raised in? what filthy state school did you attend? nobody should speak to me how you did, I respect you it would br nice if you could return the favor.
Wow...pretty harsh.

[DerBear]

what working class dump was you raised in? what filthy state school did you attend? nobody should speak to me how you did, I respect you it would br nice if you could return the favor.


I am very much at lost for words on what to describe you as, I've got so many running through my mind I find it hard to pick, each word seems more fascinating and vulgar as the next XD

So someone essentially called you sexist and then you question their upbringing or how privileged or unprivileged they were. How does that correlate to an upbringing?

[britishboy]

It will offend a lot of people if guys have to cover up there chests? That's ultimately what my intention was to advocate when I started this thread.it's unfair so men should have to cover up too. What logical argument do you have against that idea?

I don't care how filthy rich you one percenters are, there's no need to brag and demean us who aren't so fortunate.

no but men will look funny in a bikini:P im completly for women going topless as im a massive supporter of gender and racial equality if society can view them family friendly and non sexual im fine with it, but I doubt that will happen

[TheBigUnit]

I do, unless im at the beach or in my pool or anyone else's pool, im always with friends and my gf has never complained, of keeping her bikini on.

what country are you from? and why do you want to get topless so much? and btw because men can is not a good reason, is it for a tan? it turns you on? you wanna get laid? or do you wanna compare your breasts to others?

Freud!!!



I personally think it would be a but weird seeing women just strip off their bikinis in public but by all means dont let me stop you, we think its weird because of our westernized culture there are cultures out there where women can go topless like men

[britishboy]

You don't see...the benefit of breast feeding...publicly I hope.

It's not like a woman is showing all of her breast(not like that should an issue either). Anyways, that is just a trail off this debate.



im for breast feeding and for god sake we can all walk around naked, I dont mind, the problem is it wont be excepted and the women is likely to be called a slut

[RoseyCadaver]

no but men will look funny in a bikini:P

I dunno man, I'm pretty happy with men like these being in bikinis...bikini like outfits http://image.dhgate.com/albu_249766657_00-1.0x0/cheap-men-s-super-sexy-bikini-milk-like-fiber.jpg
http://oystermag.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/article-image-650x580/wp-archive/2012/03/426569_10150735083160097_229784685096_11809211_2093494640_n.jpg
I lied, I LOVE me some men in this stuff :whoops:

It doesn't matter what the sexual nature a society has as long as it isn't hurting or oppressing you. Sex is just as natural as breast.

im for breast feeding and for god sake we can all walk around naked, I dont mind, the problem is it wont be excepted and the women is likely to be called a slut
We can walk around naked but not breast feed....and we can't have a same sexed bathroom....:what: ?

[britishboy]

I dunno man, I'm pretty happy with men like these being in bikinis...bikini like outfits image (http://image.dhgate.com/albu_249766657_00-1.0x0/cheap-men-s-super-sexy-bikini-milk-like-fiber.jpg)
image (http://oystermag.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/article-image-650x580/wp-archive/2012/03/426569_10150735083160097_229784685096_11809211_2093494640_n.jpg)
I lied, I LOVE me some men in this stuff :whoops:

It doesn't matter what the sexual nature a society has as long as it isn't hurting or oppressing you. Sex is just as natural as breast.

okay then?:P im for it however I doubt society will be so yeah you have my vote

[Harry Smith]

what working class dump was you raised in? what filthy state school did you attend? .

So are you just ignoring that statment then?

[thewhiteyeezus]

To me i would rather have woman in america with a top on because some perverts out their would get boners galore. ( even lesbians would go crazy lol ) Besides i dont know a single women who is willing to take their top off at a beach. Also some girls and women would only do it for sex appeal by wearing clothes at the lowest brink of social acceptance possible which is wrong. In short, i understand your point but i dont think non-sluts would be open to this practice in reality unless its a nude beach. Which is where those kind of people should go.

[Zelder]

no but men will look funny in a bikini:P im completly for women going topless as im a massive supporter of gender and racial equality if society can view them family friendly and non sexual im fine with it, but I doubt that will happen

I just don't see any logical reason to be opposed tl making men wear shirts, too. You can wear a rash guard. That covers your chest. It's only fair.

[RoseyCadaver]

To me i would rather have woman in america with a top on because some perverts out their would get boners galore. ( even lesbians would go crazy lol )

People get erections all the time. If a woman would care so much to worry about some person looking at them, they'd probably cover their chest up. Although most woman I know, who would go topless, just wouldn't care.

[thewhiteyeezus]

People get erections all the time. If a woman would care so much to worry about some person looking at them, they'd probably cover their chest up. Although most woman I know, who would go topless, just wouldn't care.

I understand your point but it seems it would be a little too erotic, as pretty much every straight or bi guy could say, but if women are comfortable with men looking at their breasts, i guess thats ok

[Ruairi]

I think women should be allowed the option to go topless but realistically not a lot of them will do it anyway so it shouldnt be a big deal

[Gigablue]

We either have to change the law so that men have to cover their chests in public, or allow women to not do so if they so choose. to leave the laws the way it is is an inarguable double standard. There is no reason for the breasts to be thought of as sexual. Obviously, there are situations where people of either sex should be fully clothed, but anywhere where it is okay for a man to be shirtless, it is also okay for a woman. Allowing people of either gender to wear whatever they want is a basic issue of freedom.

[cheerbaby13]

i dont care
if anyone feels like wearing anyhting just let them do it.

[Nomad_X]

Women in NYC are no longer prosecuted for simply being topless.

[Avatia]

Not 100%. Some men CAN lactate, and they are still able to go topless.

How does men being able to lactate imply something to do with reproduction?

Lactation is not a part of reproduction. No one need lactate for there to be reproduction.

[Stronk Serb]

To me i would rather have woman in america with a top on because some perverts out their would get boners galore. ( even lesbians would go crazy lol ) Besides i dont know a single women who is willing to take their top off at a beach. Also some girls and women would only do it for sex appeal by wearing clothes at the lowest brink of social acceptance possible which is wrong. In short, i understand your point but i dont think non-sluts would be open to this practice in reality unless its a nude beach. Which is where those kind of people should go.

If you want men to stop having boners when seeing a woman, topless or no, you better cover her all up in a box. Women should choose, some non-sluts might go topless, but they get to choose whether they are or not.

[britishboy]

I just don't see any logical reason to be opposed tl making men wear shirts, too. You can wear a rash guard. That covers your chest. It's only fair.

your confusing me! do you want men to cover their nippes? of women to show them?

[Fanta_Lover44]

I think it should be left down to the woman, if she wants to cover up, fine by me. If she wants to show, fine by me.... It's just you're going to get a lot of men around the woman wanting a few things... If you get what I mean.

[Zelder]

your confusing me! do you want men to cover their nippes? of women to show them?

I want one or the other. And since you seem so violently opposed to the first option, it seems most logical to argue the second. So what's wrong with making men keep their nipples covered?

[britishboy]

I want one or the other. And since you seem so violently opposed to the first option, it seems most logical to argue the second. So what's wrong with making men keep their nipples covered?

why do you want men to cover their nipples? it makes no sence? and im for women showing their nipples personally but against it happening because it will offend to many, and I dont think it will be popular with women?

[Luminous]

I, for one, agree. It's just another way our society is sexist and shit. It might be a bit odd at first, letting women to go topless in public, but I think you're right, and it would become accepted at some point in time. This is the thing I hate about the US - they say that all people, regardless of gender, race, etc are equal, yet there are laws or regulations of whatever you want to call them that separate those groups. I never understood that. If the gov't is going to say these things, why aren't they upheld? I totally agree, Katie. Or the guys cover up. Either way, it would make things fair.

I was totally going to post exactly this except in my own words. *high five*

[TheDeepestDepths]

I, for one, agree. It's just another way our society is sexist and shit. It might be a bit odd at first, letting women to go topless in public, but I think you're right, and it would become accepted at some point in time. This is the thing I hate about the US - they say that all people, regardless of gender, race, etc are equal, yet there are laws or regulations of whatever you want to call them that separate those groups. I never understood that. If the gov't is going to say these things, why aren't they upheld? I totally agree, Katie. Or the guys cover up. Either way, it would make things fair.

This basically. I hate the fact that goes "OhmyGodit'sagirl'sbody" like men don't have them too.

For those arguments against due to breasts being reproductive - breasts have nothing to do with reproduction. They're used to feed the baby because humans are mammiferous creatures. It's true they're a highly erogenous area for women, but then again so are ears and lips even more so. Also nipples are highly erogenous for some men and not at all for some women.

Again for people against due to the fact that society isn't ready for it. Society at one stage wasn't ready for women to show their ankles (feet are an erogenous zone too, incidentally). They got over it and used to it - they'll do the same for breasts.

[Zelder]

why do you want men to cover their nipples? it makes no sence? and im for women showing their nipples personally but against it happening because it will offend to many, and I dont think it will be popular with women?

Because women have to. Men should to. As you said, our society views women's chests sexually, and that's your reasoning for making us cover them up. I tell you, if a man's hot, I'll look at his chest sexually too. So why shouldn't he have to cover it up? It's a double standard, and this is the only way to make things fair.

[britishboy]

Because women have to. Men should to. As you said, our society views women's chests sexually, and that's your reasoning for making us cover them up. I tell you, if a man's hot, I'll look at his chest sexually too. So why shouldn't he have to cover it up? It's a double standard, and this is the only way to make things fair.

im for women taking them off (especially if shes hot:D, dont tell my gf:P) bit seriously it will offend too many, its not worth it, thats just how our culture currently is, I personally an for it but I doubt the public or any girl I know will be happy with it

[Harry Smith]

im for women taking them off (especially if shes hot:D, dont tell my gf:P) bit seriously it will offend too many, its not worth it, thats just how our culture currently is, I personally an for it but I doubt the public or any girl I know will be happy with it

Wow, there goes my last ounce of respect- oh wait that when we you called me a dirty state school attending person who lives in a dirty area.

Is it really hard for you to stick to the same view, you should get a flip flop as your avatar.

Just because something will 'offend' people doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed, the 1964 civil rights act offended people, the 1967 decriminalization of homosexuality offended people. That shouldn't block progress

[britishboy]

Wow, there goes my last ounce of respect- oh wait that when we you called me a dirty state school attending person who lives in a dirty area.

Is it really hard for you to stick to the same view, you should get a flip flop as your avatar.

Just because something will 'offend' people doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed, the 1964 civil rights act offended people, the 1967 decriminalization of homosexuality offended people. That shouldn't block progress

my avatar is a smily face? ok have topless women? I dont even know why im here, I dont care, I still stick to the fact it will be unpopular but personally will I complain? no so go ahead!

[Zelder]

im for women taking them off (especially if shes hot:D, dont tell my gf:P) bit seriously it will offend too many, its not worth it, thats just how our culture currently is, I personally an for it but I doubt the public or any girl I know will be happy with it

I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of your position here. You have a point saying that if women were allowed to got topless many people would be offended and they're be lots of pervs. So the logical thing to do, to make things fair, would be to classify a man showing his bare chest as "indecent exposure", as it would be for a woman. That would make things fair and eliminate this double standard. What logical argument do you have against that idea?

[britishboy]

I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of your position here. You have a point saying that if women were allowed to got topless many people would be offended and they're be lots of pervs. So the logical thing to do, to make things fair, would be to classify a man showing his bare chest as "indecent exposure", as it would be for a woman. That would make things fair and eliminate this double standard. What logical argument do you have against that idea?

the fact that if in the right place, no one cares when a man takes his top off but if a women shows her boobs, everyone will be shocked and label her as a 'slut' anyway im for it

[Walter Powers]

Wow, there goes my last ounce of respect- oh wait that when we you called me a dirty state school attending person who lives in a dirty area.

Is it really hard for you to stick to the same view, you should get a flip flop as your avatar.

Just because something will 'offend' people doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed, the 1964 civil rights act offended people, the 1967 decriminalization of homosexuality offended people. That shouldn't block progress

Something shouldn't be done that the vast majority of people are against. That's called tyranny. The majority of Americans were for the civil rights legislation, especially us Republicans :p The only segment of the population that was largly against it was southern Democrats. By contrast, very few people would be okay with letting women go topless in public. The government should not be used as a means of social engineering.

[Sugaree]

The government should not be used as a means of social engineering.

Then that means everything the government has done which extends the freedom of certain groups is invalidated in your opinion, correct?

[Walter Powers]

Then that means everything the government has done which extends the freedom of certain groups is invalidated in your opinion, correct?

The government doesn't give us our freedoms! We give our freedoms to each other. Really, when you get to the root of it, our freedoms are given by nature/God, depending on what you believe. I forgot whether your American or not, but that's one of the fundamental ideas behind the founding of our nation. Without societal acceptance, things like the civil rights legislation wouldn't have worked. But, obviously, society accepted it, so it did.

[Harry Smith]

Something shouldn't be done that the vast majority of people are against. That's called tyranny. The majority of Americans were for the civil rights legislation, especially us Republicans :p The only segment of the population that was largly against it was southern Democrats. By contrast, very few people would be okay with letting women go topless in public. The government should not be used as a means of social engineering.

I know, it was mainly the dixiecrats. One good thing that LBJ did.

Government isn't about popularity, the best choice isn't always the popular one.

As Fisk said the '64 civil rights act was in fact social engineering

[Walter Powers]

I know, it was mainly the dixiecrats. One good thing that LBJ did.

Government isn't about popularity, the best choice isn't always the popular one.

As Fisk said the '64 civil rights act was in fact social engineering

No, because the majority of society already accepted it and more and more people were everyday. That kind of change wouldv'e happened without that legislation. Peer pressure.

In a consitutional republic like ours, government is about popularity. There's ups and downs to that, but the net effect is good because, to a certain degree, it holds bad politicians responsible.

[Harry Smith]

No, because the majority of society already accepted it and more and more people were everyday. That kind of change wouldv'e happened without that legislation. Peer pressure.

In a consitutional republic like ours, government is about popularity. There's ups and downs to that, but the net effect is good because, to a certain degree, it holds bad politicians responsible.

Yes, I agree the government is about popularity to a great degree. I know in Calfiornia they got there Governor removed in '02 through a vote midterm.

But it has it's downsides, it means politicians keep thinking about how this will effect me in 5 years rather than what is best for the area, depending on their level ( congressman, Senator etc)

The general populace aren't always best to make tough decisions

[Walter Powers]

Yes, I agree the government is about popularity to a great degree. I know in Calfiornia they got there Governor removed in '02 through a vote midterm.

But it has it's downsides, it means politicians keep thinking about how this will effect me in 5 years rather than what is best for the area, depending on their level ( congressman, Senator etc)

The general populace aren't always best to make tough decisions

I think the solutions is more term limits.

[CharlieHorse]

But hey, I'm ok with the ladies going topless. ;)

[Zelder]

the fact that if in the right place, no one cares when a man takes his top off but if a women shows her boobs, everyone will be shocked and label her as a 'slut' anyway im for it

But how is it fair? Making men cover up would be much more fair.

Also, I've been looking through your posts. You really are a snobbish rich kid! You didn't do anything to earn your wealth, so stop bragging. Your parents probably earned it off the backs of some poor hardworking people. People like you is why the economy sucks.

[britishboy]

But how is it fair? Making men cover up would be much more fair.

Also, I've been looking through your posts. You really are acting like a snobbish rich kid! You didn't do anything to earn your wealth, so stop bragging. Your parents probably earned it off the backs of some poor hardworking people. People like you is why the economy sucks.

more rich hate:@
I never said it was fair, the world isn't fair! I'm saying I SUPPORT it however the public I doubt will support it

[Harry Smith]

more rich hate:@
I never said it was fair, the world isn't fair! I'm saying I SUPPORT it however the public I doubt will support it

Can you blame people for hating the rich when it's a 14 year old, who's never worked a day in his life telling people they go to 'filthy state school's in filthy areas'

[britishboy]

Can you blame people for hating the rich when it's a 14 year old, who's never worked a day in his life telling people they go to 'filthy state school's in filthy areas'

god I've apologized and your still going on about it!
back on topic..... I personally am for this however I doubt the public will be and it will have stiff resistance especially from those complaining about how people dress now and religious groups

[Zelder]

more rich hate:@
I never said it was fair, the world isn't fair! I'm saying I SUPPORT it however the public I doubt will support it

You just need to stop thinking about yourself and think about how other people feel. I saw your comment about people who go to "filithy" state schools the rich have no respect for the people who really run this society they're always opposed to helping the poor. well let me tell you something just because you have everything doesnt mean other people who don't are less important and desearve less then you.

The world isn't fair but we can make it fair

[britishboy]

You just need to stop thinking about yourself and think about how other people feel. I saw your comment about people who go to "filithy" state schools the rich have no respect for the people who really run this society they're always opposed to helping the poor. well let me tell you something just because you have everything doesnt mean other people who don't are less important and desearve less then you.
1) I dont run any country
2) stop stereotyping charities are funded by the rich


The world isn't fair but we can make it fair

thats a nice positive attitude:) but I'm hapoy how this is and personally would focus on other problems in the world

[Zelder]

1) I dont run any country
2) stop stereotyping charities are funded by the rich



thats a nice positive attitude:) but I'm hapoy how this is and personally would focus on other problems in the world

I never said you ran the country, but the rich as a whole do. The rich only give to charities to save money on taxes so they don't have to give as much to the poor.

You may be happy; your a boy! Your opinion is quite frankly sexist. If you really personally were for equality on this issue you would wear a shirt when you go swimming. Do you?

[britishboy]

I never said you ran the country, but the rich as a whole do. The rich only give to charities to save money on taxes so they don't have to give as much to the poor.

You may be happy; your a boy! Your opinion is quite frankly sexist. If you really personally were for equality on this issue you would wear a shirt when you go swimming. Do you?

anyone can run the country

can you read? I AM FOR IT! however I doubt the public will be! and men dont have boobs so even if I was against it, it wouldn't be sexist

[Harry Smith]

2) stop stereotyping charities are funded by the rich

That's beside the point, your not rich. You haven't earned your money, and charities are not funded by the rich, well at least not in America where those with earnings in the top 20% -- gave an average 1.3% of their income to charity.However people with earnings in the bottom 20% donated 3.2% of their income.

[britishboy]

That's beside the point, your not rich. You haven't earned your money, and charities are not funded by the rich, well at least not in America where those with earnings in the top 20% -- gave an average 1.3% of their income to charity.However people with earnings in the bottom 20% donated 3.2% of their income.

how you get money is irrelevant, if you have money, your wealthy the more you have the wealthier you get.

1.3 from the top 20 is alot more than 3.2 from the bottom 20

I really am getting sick if this rich biy thing! ive apologized for what I have said, im nit going to reply to anything eles unless it's on topic

[Jenny jr]

I think woman should be allowed to go topless. It just seems right if woman were allowed to like guys are.

[Anton's Key]

I completely disagree! If men have to wear pants women should have to wear shirts! Our private part is down there not our chest.

-Bean

[chrisawesome]

This implies women live in a country run by men and must follow the laws of men..


Anyway I don't see why this shouldn't be permitted. They're sexual because we make them sexual; they don't have to be.

I agree, the vagina and penis are the only things that operate for reproduction! Boobs are just there to keep us hard.

I say women can go topless and men can still keep their shirts off. That way its a win/win. Guys get to see boobs and women get to see ripped guys' pecs!
--If a woman is baring her breasts on the beach it is indecent exposure. If your in a restroom and glance at another guy's dick when peeing, isn't that indecent exposure too?

I Love Boobs !!!

[Zelder]

im for women taking them off (especially if shes hot:D, dont tell my gf:P) bit seriously it will offend too many, its not worth it, thats just how our culture currently is, I personally an for it but I doubt the public or any girl I know will be happy with it

You must not know many girls

[TheBigUnit]

This will never happen...at least for the next 30 years....we re too "civilized"

[LouBerry]

I completely disagree! If men have to wear pants women should have to wear shirts! Our private part is down there not our chest.

-Bean

So, is my vagina between my boobs now?

Breasts are not "private parts". It's not my fault that men like boobs. I like toned arms and blue eyes, that's what turns me on, that doesn't mean that men should wear sunglasses and sweaters all the time. I can control myself enough not to gawk at men when I think something about them is hot, why can't men do the same.

[Trace]

i think guys should cover up. am i the only one? mostly because im just jealous of the guys that go running and have perfect bodies and dont wear shirts. makes me feel ugly and fat.

Nooooo sweety. I like my guys shirtless ;).
OT: Sure, I've nothing against it personally.

[Zarakly]

I thought there are many places in the US that is legal for women to go topless.
Just because its legal doesn't mean that they do it though D: haha

Me I would be fine if women went topless just because the US over sexualizes them. Watching a movie with my parents and they happen to show boobs and then my parents have a huge fit. I think thats just ridiculous in my own opinion.

[britishboy]

You must not know many girls

no the girls I know have class

[ovoxo23]

I think that it's unfair that men are allowed to go without a shirt (or anything covering their chest) in public and yet women will be charged with indecent exposure if they do it. I think this is wrong. The law should be changed so that either men have to wear a shirt at the beach, or women should be allowed to go topless anywhere a man can. What do you think?

Side note: In France women swim topless all the time.

Well guys don't have boobs....well most guys. Girls should not just be allowed to walk around topless.

[Harry Smith]

no the girls I know have class

Class? It's nothing to do with class. Are you saying that all the females on here who have advocated being allowed to go topless lack class?

[britishboy]

Class? It's nothing to do with class. Are you saying that all the females on here who have advocated being allowed to go topless lack class?

yeah when we was last discussing this I asked my gf when she was with her friends and they laughed and said I wanted to get her topless. later on we was talking about this actual and she said (not exact words) that those girls are sluts who walk round half naked anyway. however it is fair for women to take them off, which I did say last time we discussed this

Well guys don't have boobs....well most guys. Girls should not just be allowed to walk around topless.

but we both have nipples, its about equality

[Harry Smith]

yeah when we was last discussing this I asked my gf when she was with her friends and they laughed and said I wanted to get her topless. later on we was talking about this actual and she said (not exact words) that those girls are sluts who walk round half naked anyway. however it is fair for women to take them off, which I did say last time we discussed this

Oh sorry, I forgot that your GF must be right, it doesn't matter what a couple of girls say- that doesn't make it a fact. Not every girl who goes to a topless beach is a slut

[ovoxo23]

yeah when we was last discussing this I asked my gf when she was with her friends and they laughed and said I wanted to get her topless. later on we was talking about this actual and she said (not exact words) that those girls are sluts who walk round half naked anyway. however it is fair for women to take them off, which I did say last time we discussed this



but we both have nipples, its about equality

Umm girls nipples are different. They have boobs and their nipples can actually, well u know, but it's really not the same at all. And I'm all about gender equality, but bottom line is boys and girps are physically different, so some things can't be the same.

[britishboy]

Oh sorry, I forgot that your GF must be right, it doesn't matter what a couple of girls say- that doesn't make it a fact. Not every girl who goes to a topless beach is a slut

in society it is looked down upon do you agree? and im for it... how is this continuing?

[Harry Smith]

in society it is looked down upon do you agree? and im for it... how is this continuing?

Black people sharing bathrooms with white people was looked down upon in the 60's, gay people living together was looked down upon. That doesn't justify anything.

It's going on because you said that any girl who supports going topless on a beach doesn't have class-something which is simply not true

[TheDeepestDepths]

yeah when we was last discussing this I asked my gf when she was with her friends and they laughed and said I wanted to get her topless. later on we was talking about this actual and she said (not exact words) that those girls are sluts who walk round half naked anyway. however it is fair for women to take them off, which I did say last time we discussed this

You think I lack class, I think you're a prude. It's all about the perspective.

Umm girls nipples are different. They have boobs and their nipples can actually, well u know, but it's really not the same at all. And I'm all about gender equality, but bottom line is boys and girps are physically different, so some things can't be the same.

Actually, showing the breasts themselves, isn't really considered indecent until nipple is shown. It's the nipples that are what people have an issue with but since both boys and girls have nipples then what's the difference? Girls feed their babies with their breasts because they lactate. Men can lactate too. Girls breasts and nipples are erogenous zones but so are men's. There is no difference.

[ovoxo23]

You think I lack class, I think you're a prude. It's all about the perspective.



Actually, showing the breasts themselves, isn't really considered indecent until nipple is shown. It's the nipples that are what people have an issue with but since both boys and girls have nipples then what's the difference? Girls feed their babies with their breasts because they lactate. Men can lactate too. Girls breasts and nipples are erogenous zones but so are men's. There is no difference.

Lol men's breasts can only lactate when you take something that affects the pituitary gland. Men's nipples are basically underdeveloped breasts, because they need oestrogen to produce boobs. Men aren't suppised to lactate naturally.

[TheDeepestDepths]

Lol men's breasts can only lactate when you take something that affects the pituitary gland. Men's nipples are basically underdeveloped breasts, because they need oestrogen to produce boobs. Men aren't suppised to lactate naturally.

But the point is they can. You made my argument for me: men's nipples are underdeveloped breasts so what is the difference and why do we discriminate? What about flat-chested women? Or women who can't lactate?

[ovoxo23]

But the point is they can. You made my argument for me: men's nipples are underdeveloped breasts so what is the difference and why do we discriminate? What about flat-chested women? Or women who can't lactate?

Women's nipples are different BECAUSE men's nipples are underdeveloped. The breasts as well as the nipples change. Even "flat chested" girls' breasts change at least a little

[itschilled]

i think its a good idea if women want to go topless but men should also do what they want, we all know that many women have breasts thanks for most of you pointing that out. But its considered a private part, and if one day women just started walking out with no shirt or bra then it would be absolute kaos.. think about it..
And think about all the weirdos who would want to invade your personal space or private time with friends. It just wouldn't work, but if it were like that from the beginning of time then it would be average.

bottom line, it would cause so much problems like more sex related crimes and even make other people uncomfortable with themselves..

[Troy35216]

I wouldn't care if they did. i don't even know if I would notice unless someone pointed it out to me. wasn't there something on the news the other day that it is actually NOT illegal for women to be topless in New York and cops can't arrest a woman for just being topless?

[TheDeepestDepths]

Women's nipples are different BECAUSE men's nipples are underdeveloped. The breasts as well as the nipples change. Even "flat chested" girls' breasts change at least a little

I'm not talking about girls with a smaller breast size but women who have no breasts at all. They never developed the tissue.

Anyway, we've gone off topic a bit. The point I had was that men are allowed to be shirtless in public and women aren't. Personally I think this unfair. Breasts are not sexual organs. They are erogenous zones but in both males and females (that's not saying much, really, as both feet and lips are as well). Women can feed children with theirs ... so what?

Though non-pornographic, links containing nudity aren't permitted. -StoppingTime

[Zelder]

I completely disagree! If men have to wear pants women should have to wear shirts! Our private part is down there not our chest.

-Bean

No, my private part is also down there. Why should I have to cover up my chest?

[Troy35216]

if people are saying that women should keep their chests covered because breasts are sexually arousing, then what about the people who are aroused by sexy legs? or feet? or a sexy neck? or hands? if your gonna cover up anything that gives you a boner then soon you will be forcing women to dress like this when they are in public:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n3vz55q5rAQ/UEt5WiTqU9I/AAAAAAAAAmE/6qZxf-hSoT4/s1600/burkaPic.jpg in case you didn't know it some people think that GUYS chests are sexually arousing but they are still allowed to go out topless. I thnk Zelder has a valid point. it is a question of fairness. I don't know what the valid reason is for letting men do it but not letting women.

[randomnessqueen]

i love nudity, but i think it should stay seperate from mainstream society, the two just dont fit together.
i think both should need to cover up in public. but there should be more places in which toplessness is allowed.

[LouBerry]

yeah when we was last discussing this I asked my gf when she was with her friends and they laughed and said I wanted to get her topless. later on we was talking about this actual and she said (not exact words) that those girls are sluts who walk round half naked anyway. however it is fair for women to take them off, which I did say last time we discussed this



but we both have nipples, its about equality

That is extremely judgmental. You could take off your shirt at the beach when you got hot and wanted some sun, but I can't because you might get aroused by the sight of my breasts. That is not okay.

[britishboy]

if people are saying that women should keep their chests covered because breasts are sexually arousing, then what about the people who are aroused by sexy legs? or feet? or a sexy neck? or hands? if your gonna cover up anything that gives you a boner then soon you will be forcing women to dress like this when they are in public:

image (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n3vz55q5rAQ/UEt5WiTqU9I/AAAAAAAAAmE/6qZxf-hSoT4/s1600/burkaPic.jpg) in case you didn't know it some people think that GUYS chests are sexually arousing but they are still allowed to go out topless. I thnk Zelder has a valid point. it is a question of fairness. I don't know what the valid reason is for letting men do it but not letting women.

I dont mind about this but thats a crap argument, they cover-up for religion and the womens modestly

[Obsidian]

I don't think it would be right for women to walk around topless. Your breasts are considered private parts of your body, so to me it's equivalent to a guy walking around without any pants or underwear on. And what about little kids? I think it would be inappropriate for kids to go out in public in the summertime and see a bunch of half naked women. Women should be able to dress however they want, just as guys should, but nobody should be able to walk around with their private parts on display.

[britishboy]

I don't think it would be right for women to walk around topless. Your breasts are considered private parts of your body, so to me it's equivalent to a guy walking around without any pants or underwear on. And what about little kids? I think it would be inappropriate for kids to go out in public in the summertime and see a bunch of half naked women. Women should be able to dress however they want, just as guys should, but nobody should be able to walk around with their private parts on display.

THANK YOU!!! I knew there was women that thought this!

[TheDeepestDepths]

I don't think it would be right for women to walk around topless. Your breasts are considered private parts of your body, so to me it's equivalent to a guy walking around without any pants or underwear on. And what about little kids? I think it would be inappropriate for kids to go out in public in the summertime and see a bunch of half naked women. Women should be able to dress however they want, just as guys should, but nobody should be able to walk around with their private parts on display.

Alright, breasts are considered 'private parts'. Why? Because we made them so. They are not sexual organs. They feed babies. So what? Should we ban the use of bottles in public?

So it's okay for kids to see half naked men but not half naked women?

I think the whole source of this debate comes from this strange fear society has of women's bodies. Men's chests can be used in ads and plastered on public posters but show anything more than a woman's arms and legs and it's 'indecent' and 'inappropriate'.

[Obsidian]

Alright, breasts are considered 'private parts'. Why? Because we made them so. They are not sexual organs. They feed babies. So what? Should we ban the use of bottles in public?

So it's okay for kids to see half naked men but not half naked women?

I think the whole source of this debate comes from this strange fear society has of women's bodies. Men's chests can be used in ads and plastered on public posters but show anything more than a woman's arms and legs and it's 'indecent' and 'inappropriate'.

They may not be sexual organs, but they're a part that has been made to be seen as sexual because of men's sexual interest in them. I don't get turned on from seeing a man's chest, because to me there's nothing all that sexy about it. But since guys have a sexual interest in breasts, for whatever reason, to me that makes them private parts. If women's breasts weren't seen as something sexual then I think it would be totally okay to walk around without them covered. But they are, and that makes it inappropriate.

Personally it bugs me even when girls wear skimpy clothes, because I think it's inappropriate. It's not because I think girls shouldn't dress to arouse men... it grosses me out to see guys wearing speedos or those really tight spandex outfits too. I just think that both genders should dress respectively and that certain parts of our bodies aren't meant for everybody to see.

That's just my opinion though, and I can honestly see where everyone else is coming from too.

[Troy35216]

I dont mind about this but thats a crap argument, they cover-up for religion and the womens modestly

I could say take two minutes to do some research and you’d see that the Koran says faithful women should guard their private parts, and not display their beauty. Or that the website Islam QA, states: “The correct view as indicated by the evidence is that the woman's face must be covered. It is the most tempting part of her body, because what people look at most is the face.”
Or I could ask, why can't you just state your own opinion without putting down someone else and saying their argument is crap?

Or I could follow your own example of making personal attacks and just look at who made this comment and realize that this person has once again shown that he has no idea how to recognize hyperbole as an intentional part of a response, used to take something to the ultimate degree, in this case the idea that breasts are a sexualized object but other exposed parts of the body aren't, and therefore this comment isn't worth wasting my time on.

but since all of this is starting to stray off topic I'll just say, the whole point of women in America not being allowed to go topless is to protect the woman's modesty, so I don't see how my argument is crap if the reason for the burka is the same reason for women not going topless.

[Jean Poutine]

Because the male workforce would then laze around staring at the boobs of their female coworkers all day.

In my book, you should be able to wear whatever you want, nothing included, as long as you can deal with the obvious consequences. You should be able to be as modest or immodest as you want.

As for the argument, female toplessness is banned because it offends the public order (= a legal term encompassing all the rules concerning life in society and the nation). The great majority of people in Western culture view breasts as sexually arousing, while the legs, face, etc are not. It doesn't matter if you sexualize a part of the body that is not culturally meant to be as those are not part of the public order anymore but your own fetishism.

[freakyindiangurl]

I am comfortable going topless and do. Females should have the option to go topless if they wish. But I also understand not all breast are the same and some should be covered up.

[britishboy]

I am comfortable going topless and do. Females should have the option to go topless if they wish. But I also understand not all breast are the same and some should be covered up.

what do you mean by that? bad boobs get covered?

[freakyindiangurl]

what do you mean by that? bad boobs get covered?

No, Like I said women should have the choice to go topless or not. but not all boobs are the same some are just huge, sag will low, maybe one boob is bigger then the other, have really large nipples, etc these are just a few reasons why some women may want to cover up. As it can be more comfortable due to support for having large breast, or a women could feel embarrassed by how her breast look, or she could have sensitive nipples. I'm not saying bad ones must be covered, it's her choice to go topless or not.

[whatsgoinon53]

I think that it's unfair that men are allowed to go without a shirt (or anything covering their chest) in public and yet women will be charged with indecent exposure if they do it. I think this is wrong. The law should be changed so that either men have to wear a shirt at the beach, or women should be allowed to go topless anywhere a man can. What do you think?

Side note: In France women swim topless all the time.

Honestly I think that it shouldn't be allowed but you have a point. You generally see women's breasts even if you're not looking for them ;) Some women, the way they've been brought up will feel uncomfortable with it so they may not want to. Some on the other hand might want to show off.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

Alright, breasts are considered 'private parts'. Why? Because we made them so. They are not sexual organs. They feed babies. So what? Should we ban the use of bottles in public?

So it's okay for kids to see half naked men but not half naked women?

I think the whole source of this debate comes from this strange fear society has of women's bodies. Men's chests can be used in ads and plastered on public posters but show anything more than a woman's arms and legs and it's 'indecent' and 'inappropriate'.

Your fighting for a woman's equality to be topless? Do you not realize that there has been an undying respect and love for the woman's body since the beginning of mankind? The woman's body is regarded as beautiful and perfect and sacred. Women don't cover up because they aren't equal to men. Women cover up because the woman's body is held at a higher regard than a man's body.

[tovaris]

sure why not, let them be toples

[Milky Joe]

Women should not only be free to go topless but should be actively encouraged ;)

[Sir Suomi]

I'd say no. Unless you're restricting on the age of those who are allowed to not wear shirts, any photos, videos, etc, of any minor girls shirtless would be classified as child pornography, and we all know how those situations end. And if we're restricting the girls from having their shirts off, it would have to be applied the same way to guys, as to follow your "double standard" explanation. I think it would cause more trouble than it's worth. Also, it would be extremely displeasing to a good amount of people here in America, who would undoubtedly end in many repeals, costing us more time and money sorting through all those... Now, maybe in predetermined locations that are decided locally, where a strict no photography/video recording policy is in place, along with an 18+(Or whatever the age of consent is in that area) restriction in place... I'd think about it. But if those weren't present, I'd be totally against it.

[Jess]

Women should not only be free to go topless but should be actively encouraged ;)

Why? Some, like me, would definitely never want to go topless for different and maybe personal reasons.

[Milky Joe]

Why? Some, like me, would definitely never want to go topless for different and maybe personal reasons.

Because I like to see boobs :P I was only joking.

To be honest I'd rather we achieved a topless gender equality by men covering up. The last thing I want to see is some middleaged fat bloke with his man boobs on show and his belly hanging out :(

[ByXaz]

Not going to happen, and I kind of agree that women's bodies need to be respected. Men's don't as much because we're guys. Who cares. Also it'd be weird to see so many boobs at once. Overwhelming

[Tarannosaurus]

In my opinion, being topless should be allowed, if you think about it the same arguments against it were probably made around the time when women couldn't show their ankles and how would we react now if someone banned women's ankles from being visible in public?

Also from a scientific point of view breasts are not organs they are basically just fat tissue. Now if someone was to suggest a law that fat people cover up excess fat that would be ruled unconstitutional and discriminatory. Arguments on the visible exterior (i.e.skin) can't be used because it's the same skin as everywhere else. And men have nipples so it can't be that.

The argument that it's not suitable for young children cannot not be used either as they would have seen breasts while breastfeeding.

[Thatoldtruck]

I think it'd just be a problem with young boys going " Mommy, what's wrong with her chest? What's those things on her?" I personally don't see the big deal. Women should wear what they want. A guy can wear what he wants as long as his *ahem* stick is covered.

[Lizzyskittey]

I believe that it should be acceptable for women to walk around topless anywhere a man can.

As much as I hate to see men topless on the street, I still think this would be the fair thing to do. Now, this is one of the biggest problems in society because they sexualize the women's chest so much that it has come to the point where seeing women's breasts has become somehow unacceptable and a sexual behavior. But why? It's just two lumps on your chest with nipples in the middle... Everyone has nipples(at least I hope they do lol) and we've all seen them on men in public so why should it be unacceptable for women to be seen topless in public? Women should have the same rights. That's just my opinions on it.

[QuantumPhysics]

We men should be able to walk around in underwear, same as women. It is other people's faults if their children are scarred or they think it isn't good

[Pepito]

Our society is so prudish I don`t think women will ever be allowed to go round topless or at least not during our lifetime. Personally I am all for women being able to go round topless. Gender equality!

[ImCoolBeans]

Woman who support this, if it ever happens I reeeeeeeally don't want to hear you complaining about guys staring at you. You can't deny that it will happen, and you already don't like it when it happens now.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Men should have to cover up.
1. It's sexist and unfair that they can be shirtless (at times) and women can't
2. If women could go shirtless, it would expose private parts (Female Breasts).

[Paladino]

sure why not, let them be toples

couldn't agree more :lol: if a woman wants to let them do it haha

[Turbo]

I say either let men and women be topless when over the age of 18 or to not let either gender be able to remove their tops. Men shouldnt just have the right, women also get hot too so why not let them do it? :P

[Tarannosaurus]

I say either let men and women be topless when over the age of 18 or to not let either gender be able to remove their tops. Men shouldnt just have the right, women also get hot too so why not let them do it? :P

Exactly! Men aren't the only ones that get too hot in summer...

[Josh from SoCal]

No -- absolutely not. Men's chests have nothing to do with reproduction while women's do. Don't be absurd.

I think you need to review your biology lessons. If you think that, you are seriously misusing your equipment.

Clearly, a vast majority of you have a hangup about nudity. LOL Naked breasts would be distracting for about 15 minutes. then you quit noticing them. stealing from the "Burka" citation above, if every woman kept her face covered and you never saw their faces, then if one day BOOM every woman showed her face, you'd be freaked out and staring at all of them just because you are taking in and processing new information. but think about how you are now with faces.... some you notice for a few seconds but most you never even see. same with breasts. or penises. or vaginas. the only thing that makes nude people "shocking" is that it's uncommon. make something common and the intrigue and mystique disappear.

I say, if women WANT to be topless, go for it. the question wasn't whether or not they should be FORCED to go topless.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[StrawberryCyanide]

I definitely think that if women should cover up, so should men, or no one should have to! For some reason modern society has turned the female form into nothing but a symbol of sexuality, while men can walk around half nekkid no matter how "sexy or not" they are and turn no heads whatsoever. Breasts are only there to feed our children, this is why men find them attractive. But men are not wild animals and should not be encouraged to behave as if they were, grunting and whistling, groping and making very sexist and inappropriate gestures weather a woman shows her breasts or not! WE ARE NOT A PIECE OF MEAT, we are human just like you and we are entitled to feel free and safe in our own bodies just as you are. I'm hoping this among many issues surrounding women's bodies will change, sadly this stuff takes a long time to change.

[Tarannosaurus]

I definitely think that if women should cover up, so should men, or no one should have to! For some reason modern society has turned the female form into nothing but a symbol of sexuality, while men can walk around half nekkid no matter how "sexy or not" they are and turn no heads whatsoever. Breasts are only there to feed our children, this is why men find them attractive. But men are not wild animals and should not be encouraged to behave as if they were, grunting and whistling, groping and making very sexist and inappropriate gestures weather a woman shows her breasts or not! WE ARE NOT A PIECE OF MEAT, we are human just like you and we are entitled to feel free and safe in our own bodies just as you are. I'm hoping this among many issues surrounding women's bodies will change, sadly this stuff takes a long time to change.
Yes saying that women should have to cover up to control men's desires is basically saying that men are not responsible for their actions. Victim blaming is a problem in our society.

[EddietheZombie]

I'd say no. Unless you're restricting on the age of those who are allowed to not wear shirts, any photos, videos, etc, of any minor girls shirtless would be classified as child pornography, and we all know how those situations end. And if we're restricting the girls from having their shirts off, it would have to be applied the same way to guys, as to follow your "double standard" explanation. I think it would cause more trouble than it's worth. Also, it would be extremely displeasing to a good amount of people here in America, who would undoubtedly end in many repeals, costing us more time and money sorting through all those... Now, maybe in predetermined locations that are decided locally, where a strict no photography/video recording policy is in place, along with an 18+(Or whatever the age of consent is in that area) restriction in place... I'd think about it. But if those weren't present, I'd be totally against it.

What he said^^^^
Would you want your child to walk around with no shirt on? That just screams "Free Pedo Porn Here!!" same with teens. Im sure your parents would probably agree, that they wouldnt want you to be "Indecent" . Im all for Womens Rights and ive got no problem with women topless(Im a guy of course lol), But i think, like everything, it can go too far. What if someone took a picture of you without you noticing? Then sell it as porn? You'd be inviting more problems than what is argued. Its like taking meds for a cold, when the side effects cause cancer or something. It may also raise the Rape percentage up. Is it really that big of a deal? Seems like we should agree on more important topics, like national debt decisions, terrorism, immigration ect and not small stuff like this.

[Tarannosaurus]

Would you want your child to walk around with no shirt on? That just screams "Free Pedo Porn Here!!" same with teens. Im sure your parents would probably agree, that they wouldnt want you to be "Indecent" . Im all for Womens Rights and ive got no problem with women topless(Im a guy of course lol), But i think, like everything, it can go too far. What if someone took a picture of you without you noticing? Then sell it as porn? You'd be inviting more problems than what is argued. Its like taking meds for a cold, when the side effects cause cancer or something. Is it really that big of a deal? Seems like we should agree on more important topics, like national debt decisions, terrorism, immigration ect and not small stuff like this.

This isn't small stuff it's highlighting the inequalities between the genders. And actually teenagers do go around without a shirt on. Only the male ones of courses, hence the reason for this debate. It is completely unfair and illogical to say it's indecent for women and not for men. When men get hot and sweaty they can take off their shirt, but women are expected to suffer on.

[EddietheZombie]

This isn't small stuff it's highlighting the inequalities between the genders. And actually teenagers do go around without a shirt on. Only the male ones of courses, hence the reason for this debate. It is completely unfair and illogical to say it's indecent for women and not for men. When men get hot and sweaty they can take off their shirt, but women are expected to suffer on.

Its not something to fuss about though! Ive seen women go around in things that cover almost nothing, isnt that enough? And like i said, why cant we get with the big problems first? World Hunger? Peace? But noooo we have to waste the time to do this first. If women want to show their chests that bad, go to a nudist beach then. It is illogical for women to not be able to go topless. If its really that big of a problem over everything else, sure do it. And watch how much the Rape Rate goes up.

[Tarannosaurus]

Its not something to fuss about though! Ive seen women go around in things that cover almost nothing, isnt that enough? And like i said, why cant we get with the big problems first? World Hunger? Peace? But noooo we have to waste the time to do this first. If women want to show their chests that bad, go to a nudist beach then. It is illogical for women to not be able to go topless. If its really that big of a problem over everything else, sure do it. And watch how much the Rape Rate goes up.

watch how much the Rape Rate goes up
This is victim blaming at its finest, comments like that can lead to women getting blamed for being raped because of what they're wearing.

Ive seen women go around in things that cover almost nothing, isnt that enough?
In that case shouldn't it be enough for men too?

And like i said, why cant we get with the big problems first? World Hunger? Peace? But noooo we have to waste the time to do this first.
Says who? Why can't we deal with ALL inequalities, why does it have to be one at a time?

[EddietheZombie]

This is victim blaming at its finest, comments like that can lead to women getting blamed for being raped because of what they're wearing.
Well this is the equivalent to a women spitting in a mans face, and expecting not to get hit. Again its completely wrong, but you cant push people like that, whether sexually or emotionally.

This is victim blaming at its finest, comments like that can lead to women getting blamed for being raped because of what they're wearing.


In that case shouldn't it be enough for men too?


Says who? Why can't we deal with ALL inequalities, why does it have to be one at a time?

Oh so your "Topless Case" is more important than all the lives lost to hunger? You HAVE to deal with them one at a time, you cant rush things. World leaders can only do so much at one time. And im sure they would put world hunger waaaayyy before this. Even a female senator i bet. And Im not saying they are the blame for getting raped, Im saying they make men more into it. If you have invited them that much to see you body, what makes them from not wanting the rest? (Im saying "them" because i would never do something like that) Like i said go to a nude beach. I sure the "Thrill" of being topless will leave real fast.

[Tarannosaurus]

Well this is the equivalent to a women spitting in a mans face, and expecting not to get hit. Again its completely wrong, but you cant push people like that, whether sexually or emotionally. No it's not are you actually saying women deserve to get hit?

Oh so your "Topless Case" is more important than all the lives lost to hunger?
Not once did I say that. And that's incorrect it's not a topless case, men can go topless, it's a gender equality and human rights case.

You HAVE to deal with them one at a time, you cant rush things. World leaders can only do so much at one time.
Maybe world leaders should spend less time and money on war. It's never been about world leaders starting change. It's always the ordinary people, then the leaders bow to pressure.

And Im not saying they are the blame for getting raped, Im saying they make men more into it.
No. Decent men manage just fine to not be 'into' rape this does not justify their actions.
"they make men more into it", read what you just wrote you are actually saying that the women are making the men become interested in rape.

If you have invited them that much to see you body, what makes them from not wanting the rest? (Im saying "them" because i would never do something like that)
The women are not inviting men to see their body, their are simply trying to be more comfortable. I see that you wouldn't do that but just because men 'want the rest' doesn't mean that their rape and harassment is justified.

Like i said go to a nude beach. I sure the "Thrill" of being topless will leave real fast.
As I've been saying, if it's supposedly enough for women, why not men?

[EddietheZombie]

No it's not are you actually saying women deserve to get hit?

No im saying people get pushed too far everyday, and this can result in it. If a woman hit a guy, is he allowed to hit back? That is a double standard too. Yes it is wrong but think about it.

Not once did I say that. And that's incorrect it's not a topless case, men can go topless, it's a gender equality and human rights case.

No, but thats what it really sounds like you said. Who gives a shit if women walk around without a shirt on? It in my mind is no big deal. But for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

No. Decent men manage just fine to not be 'into' rape this does not justify their actions.
"they make men more into it", read what you just wrote you are actually saying that the women are making the men become interested in rape.


Ok take someone with a criminal mind. He hasnt done anything bad yet. No put a topless woman in front of him and watch what would happen. I didnt mean all, i ment the ones with a criminal mind. I was up for 16 hours when i typed this and my mind was a bit foggy. Go to a prison topless, and youd probably get the same reaction as if you were going through a bad neighborhood.

The women are not inviting men to see their body, their are simply trying to be more comfortable. I see that you wouldn't do that but just because men 'want the rest' doesn't mean that their rape and harassment is justified.


Like i said, im on YOUR side. I didnt say you shouldnt, but consider the consequences. Walk through Chicago, Detroit or almost anywhere else like that, and you will get alot of unwanted attention. Unless you want to wait about 25 years before seeing that is "normal".

As I've been saying, if it's supposedly enough for women, why not men?

But unlike i said, women have covered that part of their body almost since the beginning of mankind. What is the point to change it? I wouldnt want it to change, unless it could be done fast so almost no money would be wasted that could be used for a more important cause. If it could be done in congress in, just say 5 minutes, almost no money would be wasted, then yes, it would be a good idea. But congress gets paid alot of money every session, so if your session takes 2 hours, That equals probably more that $300,000. Thats enough money to feed alot of homeless people. In the end though, its not the peoples choice anymore, its the governments. They make the laws, we only have the suggestions.

[Ifxzzy]

i think guys should cover up. am i the only one? mostly because im just jealous of the guys that go running and have perfect bodies and dont wear shirts. makes me feel ugly and fat.

me too
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[CharlieHorse]

me too
image (http://puu.sh/4cK6c.png)

exactly :(

[Drag0nite]

If I went to a water park or pool or something in that category and I had a 13 year old boy being all pervy and staring because that's just rude but on the other hand it is a double standard and technically all people where girls at one point until the 2nd chromosome kicked in so technically if girls should wear tops so do guys on that bases.

[britishboy]

its not a double standard men dont have boobs!

babies can go topless regardless of gender because they dont have boobies

[taurus97]

Women should be able to be topless if they want.

[Tarannosaurus]

its not a double standard men dont have boobs!

babies can go topless regardless of gender because they dont have boobies

Men do actually, same skin, same nipples, same fat cells. They basically have the same thing as women with less fat cells.

[britishboy]

Men do actually, same skin, same nipples, same fat cells. They basically have the same thing as women with less fat cells.

yeah, but mens breasts are not womens breast, if I go topless it will not increase rape risk, cause attention from pervets or will not be judged by society as a slut

[1_21Guns]

yeah, but mens breasts are not womens breast, if I go topless it will not increase rape risk, cause attention from pervets or will not be judged by society as a slut

ah but slow down, who's fault is that? the girl who goes topless or the society that judge, degrade and rape her? You have to be very careful of your words there.
I agree with the statement, it seems ridiculous that men can wander around topless but women can't, the fact we have 'useful' breasts is nothing to do with anything, they're just sacks of fat and nipples. Unfortunately this is something that will never come into play, it's like the bikini vs underwear thing, walking around in a bikini top is fine but God forbid you walk around in a bra :hmm:

[Tarannosaurus]

yeah, but mens breasts are not womens breast, if I go topless it will not increase rape risk, cause attention from pervets or will not be judged by society as a slut

Statistically men are less likely to be raped but there are still plenty of cases of old men preying on male teens. You don't really know whether a pervert has looked at you or not. No you will not be judged by society, but do you agree that women should not be judged either?

ah but slow down, who's fault is that? the girl who goes topless or the society that judge, degrade and rape her? You have to be very careful of your words there.
I agree with the statement, it seems ridiculous that men can wander around topless but women can't, the fact we have 'useful' breasts is nothing to do with anything, they're just sacks of fat and nipples. Unfortunately this is something that will never come into play, it's like the bikini vs underwear thing, walking around in a bikini top is fine but God forbid you walk around in a bra :hmm:

^This.

If a woman hit a guy, is he allowed to hit back?
Self defence is acceptable.
Like i said, im on YOUR side.
Just achknowledging this and I hope you realise I'm not trying to attack you, just have a debate, and maybe it might be hard for boys to fully see how it is from a girl's point of view.
But unlike i said, women have covered that part of their body almost since the beginning of mankind.
One last thing, this has only occured in the last two thousand years whereas the beginning of mankind was about two thousand years ago. In fact, women's breasts were sacred and on display, many sculptures have been found from that time depicting the female breasts and reproductive parts. These were used in rites of worship and celebraions. I think one of the problems is people forget about this and think it is an ancient custom that women cover up.[/QUOTE]

[sqishy]

This all shows that, although some of us may not like it, the societal expectations and norms of today are still having a large sexism effect.
Good that this thread was created, because I haven't heard this topic being mentioned in real-life, or virtual life, for 4 years.

[EddietheZombie]

Statistically men are less likely to be raped but there are still plenty of cases of old men preying on male teens. You don't really know whether a pervert has looked at you or not. No you will not be judged by society, but do you agree that women should not be judged either?



^This.


Self defence is acceptable.

Just achknowledging this and I hope you realise I'm not trying to attack you, just have a debate, and maybe it might be hard for boys to fully see how it is from a girl's point of view.

One last thing, this has only occured in the last two thousand years whereas the beginning of mankind was about two thousand years ago. In fact, women's breasts were sacred and on display, many sculptures have been found from that time depicting the female breasts and reproductive parts. These were used in rites of worship and celebraions. I think one of the problems is people forget about this and think it is an ancient custom that women cover up.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the civilizations that depicted these, at the time, were of a lesser moral state(Rome, Greece, ect.)

[Tarannosaurus]

Yeah, but the civilizations that depicted these, at the time, were of a lesser moral state(Rome, Greece, ect.)

Can you specify what you mean by lesser moral state?

[Capto]

Yeah, but the civilizations that depicted these, at the time, were of a lesser moral state(Rome, Greece, ect.)

Flawed, unsound, and overall incorrect.

They were not of a 'lesser moral state', but rather of a separate 'moral state' than the one we have nowadays.

[Harry Smith]

yeah, but mens breasts are not womens breast, if I go topless it will not increase rape risk, cause attention from pervets or will not be judged by society as a slut

I think everyone knows that mens breats are not womens breats. That's like saying this white paper isn't black paper.

It won't increase rape, that's just your own idiotic idea. I really doubt that when an 80 year women gets raped it's too with her attire- rape is about power more so than sex.

Who gives a fuck about society, 50 years a women was considered immoral if she slept with a black man, how time has changed

[EddietheZombie]

Flawed, unsound, and overall incorrect.

They were not of a 'lesser moral state', but rather of a separate 'moral state' than the one we have nowadays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome

This should answer both of you. There were pedophiles, rape, adultery and more, and it was accepted back then. So yes they were of a lesser moral state. They would also kill weak or mentally retarded children. Need i say more?

Can you specify what you mean by lesser moral state?

[Tarannosaurus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome

This should answer both of you. There were pedophiles, rape, adultery and more, and it was accepted back then. So yes they were of a lesser moral state. They would also kill weak or mentally retarded children. Need i say more?

I admit I skimmed I didn't read all of it. I'm talking about civilization over 10,000 years ago, around central Europe. I'll try and find the links to some articles.

[Buddy 912]

Being topless or even nude is not a big deal if you don't make it one. We are home nudists but have gone to topless beaches where mom and my 2 sisters go topless. There are only two categories: male and female. Once you are comfortable with that and knowing you won't see anything you haven't seen before,, there thing will be cool.

[Elysium]

Being topless or even nude is not a big deal if you don't make it one. We are home nudists but have gone to topless beaches where mom and my 2 sisters go topless. There are only two categories: male and female. Once you are comfortable with that and knowing you won't see anything you haven't seen before,, there thing will be cool.
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