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thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 12:39 AM
Whats you place as far as the second amendmant?

Whats you opinion on law enforcement?

Walter Powers
July 22nd, 2013, 12:53 AM
Second Amendmant: Good. Limits the governments power and allows people to protect themselves.

Law enforcement: Good. If we're gonna pass laws we might as well enforce them. Lack of enforcement is a big reason why the immigration a problem is so bad.

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 12:58 AM
And when i say lay enforce mean i also mean your opinion on officers?

Cygnus
July 22nd, 2013, 01:14 AM
The second amendment is just plain bad, it promotes violence and increases the risk of accidents.

Stronk Serb
July 22nd, 2013, 03:03 AM
It was logical 200 years ago. Back then you had a musket, flintlock pistol and a cannon. Cannons were too expensive to be used by the people, so they bought flintlock pistols and muskets. Now weapons are more diverse, but why do you need an assault rife, combat shotgun and guns like that? Even if all armed people rose against the government, tanks and air force would nake short work for them, not to mention trained troops who have body armor.

Southside
July 22nd, 2013, 08:55 AM
2nd Amendment? I believe you shouldnt be able to have a AR-15 or a AK but I see nothing wrong with having a handgun, or a compact submachine pistol, maybe even a shotgun.

Law enforcement? I'll quote N.W.A on this one, "Fuck The Police". To be honest, I'm more afraid of being killed by a police officer than a "terrorist" or "mass murderer". I dont even need to go into the COUNTLESS past cases of police brutality.

Adam17
July 22nd, 2013, 10:21 AM
2nd Amendment? I believe you shouldnt be able to have a AR-15 or a AK but I see nothing wrong with having a handgun, or a compact submachine pistol, maybe even a shotgun.

Law enforcement? I'll quote N.W.A on this one, "Fuck The Police". To be honest, I'm more afraid of being killed by a police officer than a "terrorist" or "mass murderer". I dont even need to go into the COUNTLESS past cases of police brutality.

So you think its ok to have a submachine gun but a semi automatic rifle is out of the question.

Southside
July 22nd, 2013, 10:30 AM
So you think its ok to have a submachine gun but a semi automatic rifle is out of the question.

Yes..I don't see anything wrong with a TEC-9 or Uzi.

Walter Powers
July 22nd, 2013, 11:37 AM
The second amendment is just plain bad, it promotes violence and increases the risk of accidents.

Yeah, freedom sucks.(sarcasm)

Stronk Serb
July 22nd, 2013, 11:59 AM
Yeah, freedom sucks.(sarcasm)

Yep it sucks when you legally give an AR-15 or an Uzi to some nutcase who can go on a killing spree as far as you know. Stricter gun laws are not infringing your freedom.

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 12:53 PM
Law enforcement? I'll quote N.W.A on this one, "Fuck The Police". To be honest, I'm more afraid of being killed by a police officer than a "terrorist" or "mass murderer". I dont even need to go into the COUNTLESS past cases of police brutality.[/QUOTE]

Actually would you please. Id like to hear what you consider police brutality.

Walter Powers
July 22nd, 2013, 03:00 PM
Yep it sucks when you legally give an AR-15 or an Uzi to some nutcase who can go on a killing spree as far as you know. Stricter gun laws are not infringing your freedom.

Yep and it would suck even more if you weren't allowed to buy an AR-15 and defend yourself from that nutcase.

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 03:25 PM
Yep and it would suck even more if you weren't allowed to buy an AR-15 and defend yourself from that nutcase.

Bro not to ve weird but you are like my twin in these things.

Stronk Serb
July 22nd, 2013, 03:48 PM
Yep and it would suck even more if you weren't allowed to buy an AR-15 and defend yourself from that nutcase.

Speaking of that nutcase, why legally give him the gun? There is the law enforcement. People have eyes, you don't see a maniac with an AR-15 everyday wondering the streets, if you do, you run, call 911 and hide. As far I would go would be a hunting shotgun, hunting rifle or a handgun. The times have changed from muskets and flintlock pistols to death spitters of all shapes and sizes where some are just too lethal to be trusted to civilians.

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 04:07 PM
Just because you call the cops doesnt mean they just poof there. There is alway a time period where they wont be there and you may have to defend yourself. If there had been one person with a gun at that the theater in aurora or on teacher trained to use a gun in that elementary school lives could have been saved.

Walter Powers
July 22nd, 2013, 04:26 PM
Bro not to ve weird but you are like my twin in these things.

Yeah from what I've seen you say you certainly are conservative in most of your views, too. And, given your username, your certainly from a "red" part of the nation, so to speak.

Stronk Serb
July 22nd, 2013, 04:42 PM
Just because you call the cops doesnt mean they just poof there. There is alway a time period where they wont be there and you may have to defend yourself. If there had been one person with a gun at that the theater in aurora or on teacher trained to use a gun in that elementary school lives could have been saved.

I stated a handgun or hunting rifle/shotgun is as far as I would go. Did you bother to read through the rest of my post? And there are police patrols.

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 07:33 PM
No i did read it but i think its also just a right. Its a bill of rights not a bill of needs. We have a right to have them needed or not. Just because of a few crazies don't mean we all. Id be fine with heavier background checks but not taking them away. And as far as police patrols my local sheriffs office only has 6-9 deputies and a seargent at any one time and my county is a large one.

Southside
July 22nd, 2013, 09:54 PM
Law enforcement? I'll quote N.W.A on this one, "Fuck The Police". To be honest, I'm more afraid of being killed by a police officer than a "terrorist" or "mass murderer". I dont even need to go into the COUNTLESS past cases of police brutality.

Actually would you please. Id like to hear what you consider police brutality.[/QUOTE]

What I consider police brutality?

Shooting unarmed civilians:

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2013/07/22/metro-wont-fire-officer-who-shot-unarmed-man/


http://www.suntimes.com/news/4117146-418/family-of-unarmed-man-fatally-shot-in-face-by-cop-gets-3-million.html


Shoving broom sticks up peoples anus:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/the-abner-louima-case-10-years-later/

Spraying 84 year old women with pepper spray:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/dorli-rainey-pepper-spray-occupy-seattle_n_1097836.html

I'm pretty sure you know what happened with Rodney King...

Those are a few of THOUSANDS of cases of police brutality...

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 10:26 PM
As fsr as the broom stick and the chicago officer i understand that is wrong. The old lady, just bacause your elderly doesnt mean you can break the law. If she was out there badically rioting she can deal with it. The las vegas officer didnt know what the man was reaching for.

The has been many instances in my area that officers had to shoot a man or come close to it because they had drawn guns or knive. Contrary to popular belief cops arent evil. They have families to support and come home to.

Southside
July 22nd, 2013, 10:33 PM
As fsr as the broom stick and the chicago officer i understand that is wrong. The old lady, just bacause your elderly doesnt mean you can break the law. If she was out there badically rioting she can deal with it. The las vegas officer didnt know what the man was reaching for.

The has been many instances in my area that officers had to shoot a man or come close to it because they had drawn guns or knive. Contrary to popular belief cops arent evil. They have families to support and come home to.

I understand that not all cops are bad, I had a officer give me a ride home after my bike got a flat. Though its too many cases of police violence and brutality against innocent civilians. The old lady wasnt breaking any laws, she was simple protesting which is a constitutional right. How much damage can a 84 year old women do? Come on,she didnt deserve to be pepper sprayed..

To be completely honest, I'm scared of the police because of incidents of police violence and brutality....

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 10:48 PM
She was refusing a lawful order you dont need to be young to make a protest escelate into riot. I've heard of too many officers and inocents dieing in riots that started from protests.

Walter Powers
July 22nd, 2013, 11:03 PM
I understand that not all cops are bad, I had a officer give me a ride home after my bike got a flat. Though its too many cases of police violence and brutality against innocent civilians. The old lady wasnt breaking any laws, she was simple protesting which is a constitutional right. How much damage can a 84 year old women do? Come on,she didnt deserve to be pepper sprayed..

To be completely honest, I'm scared of the police because of incidents of police violence and brutality....

There was recently a state congresswoman who had part of her jerrymandered district in Chicago, and she's getting in big trouble for spreading this rumor that we should be afraid of the police. That's beyond ridiculous. Until they take orders directly from the federal government, I don't think we have to worry about that. The police are here to protect us.

But I'm not really understanding your position. You think oftentimes the police are out to get us, and yet you don't want us to have guns to defend ourselves from them?

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 11:16 PM
But I'm not really understanding your position. You think oftentimes the police are out to get us, and yet you don't want us to have guns to defend ourselves from them?[/QUOTE]

Exactly man. The officers i have met are good friends. "They spend holidays, birtdays, and anniversaries working. They make those anoying sirens seem like angels singing when you need help. They make holding your hand seem like the biggest thing in the worl when someone just tried to hurt you. They make a difference. What do you make?"

Southside
July 22nd, 2013, 11:44 PM
There was recently a state congresswoman who had part of her jerrymandered district in Chicago, and she's getting in big trouble for spreading this rumor that we should be afraid of the police. That's beyond ridiculous. Until they take orders directly from the federal government, I don't think we have to worry about that. The police are here to protect us.

But I'm not really understanding your position. You think oftentimes the police are out to get us, and yet you don't want us to have guns to defend ourselves from them?

Some police are here to protective us and truly care about the well being of citizens, others are truly pigs and corrupt as fuck.

I never said I want guns to be taken away, I said I want guns that are meant for military use to be taken away. You should be able to own a shotgun, bolt action rifle, handgun, revolver, just not something that is meant to tear through body armor. You can easily kill a guy with a shot from a 44 Magnum or a Beretta 9mm, am I right?

Walter Powers
July 22nd, 2013, 11:47 PM
Some police are here to protective us and truly care about the well being of citizens, others are truly pigs and corrupt as fuck.

I never said I want guns to be taken away, I said I want guns that are meant for military use to be taken away. You should be able to own a shotgun, bolt action rifle, handgun, revolver, just not something that is meant to tear through body armor. You can easily kill a guy with a shot from a 44 Magnum or a Beretta 9mm, am I right?

It's a lot easier with an AK-47, but I see your point.

The problem though is, no matter what you do, there's still gonna be assault rifles out there. Just like that there's still Marijuana out there.

thatcountrykid
July 22nd, 2013, 11:53 PM
Some police are here to protective us and truly care about the well being of citizens, others are truly pigs and corrupt as fuck.

I never said I want guns to be taken away, I said I want guns that are meant for military use to be taken away. You should be able to own a shotgun, bolt action rifle, handgun, revolver, just not something that is meant to tear through body armor. You can easily kill a guy with a shot from a 44 Magnum or a Beretta 9mm, am I right?

22.'s can tear through bidy armor. You gonna take those away. Its a bill of rights not a bill of needs. We have the right to have them needed or not!

Southside
July 22nd, 2013, 11:56 PM
It's a lot easier with an AK-47, but I see your point.

The problem though is, no matter what you do, there's still gonna be assault rifles out there. Just like that there's still Marijuana out there.

I know this is a bit off topic but how is it easier with a AK-47? What if I am attacked while walking in the streets or in a public place? I'd be able to pull a AK-47 out of my waistband and defend myself against a attacker right?

As much as I'd like to see weapons like AK's and AR 15's banned, your right, its too many of em' in America for it to make a difference. I was watching a segment on ABC saying how in Arizona I can buy a 50. Cal sniper rifle without even getting a background check.

comical
July 23rd, 2013, 12:02 AM
I agree with SouthsidePro and his views on law enforcement. They sort of sum up what I intended to say. He even beat me to quoting NWA :D.

I really think the 2nd amendment should be updated, though. As it's been said before in this thread, it was written back when people had muskets and pistols not AK-47's and machine guns.

I agree, there are some good and bad officers. Though, a lot of them get a position of power and abuse it to the upmost. Police brutality happens too much, especially in major cities such as Los Angeles, New York and Chicago.

My mother told me the other day, she remembers as a teenager, she watched the police beat a Marine for reaching for a gun. He was drunk, so he pulled over in front of a stop sign until he "sobered up some". He was wrong for parking in front of the stop sign, but again he was drunk. The police walked up to him and opened his car door, said "What are you doing?". He explained that he was drunk, so he didn't want to drive any further until he felt he could drive safely. They kept telling him he had to move. As he continued explaining, he seemed to have gotten somewhat angry and they thought he would get violent so they beat him. She said this happened about three weeks prior to the Rodney King incident (http://www.biography.com/people/rodney-king-9542141) in LA.

More recently, one of my cousins was murdered by an off-duty sheriff at a Waffle House after a party. Someone had shot at him in the parking lot, so he retrieved his firearm from his car and shot back. Two off-duty sheriffs were inside, and came out after seeing the incident through the glass windows. The person who instigated the shooting left the scene, and once my cousin saw the sheriffs he put his hands up. Holding his firearm, he lifted his hands. According to some of the witnesses, they didn't tell him to put his firearm down. My cousin was shot multiple times in his chest and side. The autopsy report showed that if his hands were still down where the sheriffs said they were, he couldn't of been shot where the gunshot wounds showed.

(See: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CWa3w5LusgcJ:jaesplace.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/update-tragedy-in-kinston-nc-william-c-billy-gibbs-iii-gone-too-soon/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ... and ... http://www.kinston.com/news/local/update-26-year-old-kinston-man-shot-to-death-by-off-duty-sheriff-s-deputy-overnight-at-waffle-house-1.54730)

Sorry for making this personal, but that's why I rarely trust the law enforcement. Some are good. There are some really great ones in my community and probably every community, but there are just as many, if not more, bad ones.

thatcountrykid
July 23rd, 2013, 12:13 AM
I agree with SouthsidePro and his views on law enforcement. They sort of sum up what I intended to say. He even beat me to quoting NWA :D.

I really think the 2nd amendment should be updated, though. As it's been said before in this thread, it was written back when people had muskets and pistols not AK-47's and machine guns.

I agree, there are some good and bad officers. Though, a lot of them get a position of power and abuse it to the upmost. Police brutality happens too much, especially in major cities such as Los Angeles, New York and Chicago.

My mother told me the other day, she remembers as a teenager, she watched the police beat a Marine for reaching for a gun. He was drunk, so he pulled over in front of a stop sign until he "sobered up some". He was wrong for parking in front of the stop sign, but again he was drunk. The police walked up to him and opened his car door, said "What are you doing?". He explained that he was drunk, so he didn't want to drive any further until he felt he could drive safely. They kept telling him he had to move. As he continued explaining, he seemed to have gotten somewhat angry and they thought he would get violent so they beat him. She said this happened about three weeks prior to the Rodney King incident (http://www.biography.com/people/rodney-king-9542141) in LA.

More recently, one of my cousins was murdered by an off-duty sheriff at a Waffle House after a party. Someone had shot at him in the parking lot, so he retrieved his firearm from his car and shot back. Two off-duty sheriffs were inside, and came out after seeing the incident through the glass windows. The person who instigated the shooting left the scene, and once my cousin saw the sheriffs he put his hands up. Holding his firearm, he lifted his hands. According to some of the witnesses, they didn't tell him to put his firearm down. My cousin was shot multiple times in his chest and side. The autopsy report showed that if his hands were still down where the sheriffs said they were, he couldn't of been shot where the gunshot wounds showed.

(See: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CWa3w5LusgcJ:jaesplace.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/update-tragedy-in-kinston-nc-william-c-billy-gibbs-iii-gone-too-soon/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ... and ... http://www.kinston.com/news/local/update-26-year-old-kinston-man-shot-to-death-by-off-duty-sheriff-s-deputy-overnight-at-waffle-house-1.54730)

Sorry for making this personal, but that's why I rarely trust the law enforcement. Some are good. There are some really great ones in my community and probably every community, but there are just as many, if not more, bad ones.

Im sorry about your cousin but people seem to forget that officers have families too and will protect not only them selves and others. In the case of the marine he reached for a weapon and they officers stopped him using any means nececary even if they may have gone excessive. In the case of your cousin, again im sorry, but im sure the ofiicers called for him to drop his weapon and even if his hand were up with the weapon in them he could have just as easily lowered it and shot.

comical
July 23rd, 2013, 12:29 AM
Im sorry about your cousin but people seem to forget that officers have families too and will protect not only them selves and others. In the case of the marine he reached for a weapon and they officers stopped him using any means nececary even if they may have gone excessive. In the case of your cousin, again im sorry, but im sure the ofiicers called for him to drop his weapon and even if his hand were up with the weapon in them he could have just as easily lowered it and shot.

The marine didn't reach for a weapon, he just got angry and raised his voice is what my mother told me. They said he didn't have a weapon on him at all.

On the case of my cousin, there were multiple reports. The report from my local news station said that the officers told him to drop his weapon, and he didn't comply. Word spread from people who were at the scene, said that Billy immediately raised his hands. Either way, if he didn't comply, how did he get gunshots under his harms?

Like I stated in my earlier post too, the LAPD has a large history of police brutality. The Rodney King incident I mentioned is one example. I just googled 'LAPD police brutality' and found a link that lists lots of police brutality and negligence incidents.

http://www.policebrutality.info/tag/lapd

I don't even blame Christopher Dorner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner) for what he did earlier this year. Fighting fire with fire(no pun intended) isn't really that effective, but I'm sure it woke up a lot of people who were 'sleeping' on the LAPD's terrible past.

(See: Christopher Dorner's Manifesto here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/124401603/Dorner-Manifesto-FULL-TEXT))

So that's just my take on the law enforcement.

Camazotz
July 23rd, 2013, 11:02 AM
It was logical 200 years ago. Back then you had a musket, flintlock pistol and a cannon. Cannons were too expensive to be used by the people, so they bought flintlock pistols and muskets. Now weapons are more diverse, but why do you need an assault rife, combat shotgun and guns like that? Even if all armed people rose against the government, tanks and air force would nake short work for them, not to mention trained troops who have body armor.

Speaking of that nutcase, why legally give him the gun? There is the law enforcement. People have eyes, you don't see a maniac with an AR-15 everyday wondering the streets, if you do, you run, call 911 and hide. As far I would go would be a hunting shotgun, hunting rifle or a handgun. The times have changed from muskets and flintlock pistols to death spitters of all shapes and sizes where some are just too lethal to be trusted to civilians.

I'm completely with Mike on this one. People needed firearms at a time when the United States government was unstable and the threat of violent Native Americans and British loyalists and slave uprisings were prevalent could happen any day. And all you had was an inaccurate musket.

But now we have guns that kill in one hit, are far more accurate, far more dangerous, and there's absolutely no reason to have one unless you're dealing with dangerous people on a daily basis (law enforcement). But your average suburb civilian has no reason to need anything more than a handgun (and at that, there should be more use of tazers and sprays as opposed to lethal weapons).

The likelihood that every civilian has to deal with "a maniac with a gun" is soooo small, that the risk of injuring oneself with a gun far outweighs the pros of carrying a gun on you.

It would be in our best interest to restrict the types of guns sold, limit the number of people who can purchase guns, and a closer, constant background check of gun purchasers.

As for law enforcement, it's a necessary evil/neutral to serve and protect the American people. If anyone has a need for weapons, it's these men and women.

Taryn98
July 23rd, 2013, 04:59 PM
I view the 2nd ammendment with the same respect as all other ammendments, they are the cornerstone of America and are very clearly written.

Anyone that disagrees with any of them has the right to ammend them, it takes 2/3 majority of the Senate, the House and 3/4 of the states to ratify. Until that is done, the ammendments stay the way they are.

Our Constitution is what makes America great!

I don't have any problem with law enforcement either. They are doing a service to our community the same as firemen and the military. They are something to be respected.

Southside
July 23rd, 2013, 11:46 PM
I view the 2nd ammendment with the same respect as all other ammendments, they are the cornerstone of America and are very clearly written.

Anyone that disagrees with any of them has the right to ammend them, it takes 2/3 majority of the Senate, the House and 3/4 of the states to ratify. Until that is done, the ammendments stay the way they are.

Our Constitution is what makes America great!

I don't have any problem with law enforcement either. They are doing a service to our community the same as firemen and the military. They are something to be respected.

Those who shove broomsticks up peoples anus should be respected? Too many corrupt cops and corrupt departments for me to even consider respecting them. I always respect military service people, I respect them more than any police officer.

thatcountrykid
July 23rd, 2013, 11:55 PM
Those who shove broomsticks up peoples anus should be respected? Too many corrupt cops and corrupt departments for me to even consider respecting them. I always respect military service people, I respect them more than any police officer.

And what about those that hate the officers who work birthdays, aniversaries, and holidays. The officers that will give up their live to save yours, a complete stranger who hates them. My own father who is out there working right now tto protect people who hate him. Do those people deserve respect?

Southside
July 24th, 2013, 12:06 AM
And what about those that hate the officers who work birthdays, aniversaries, and holidays. The officers that will give up their live to save yours, a complete stranger who hates them. My own father who is out there working right now tto protect people who hate him. Do those people deserve respect?

I have nothing against the police officer who does his job correctly and protects. I have something against the ones who pepper spray old ladies, shove broomsticks up people's anus, and shoot innocent, unarmed civilians. I have something against officers who disrespect my constitutional rights. I have something against officers who slam people to the ground for dancing.

It's too many corrupt departments and officers, thats all I'm trying to say.

Walter Powers
July 24th, 2013, 12:07 AM
And what about those that hate the officers who work birthdays, aniversaries, and holidays. The officers that will give up their live to save yours, a complete stranger who hates them. My own father who is out there working right now tto protect people who hate him. Do those people deserve respect?

Is your dad an officer?

thatcountrykid
July 24th, 2013, 12:08 AM
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thatcountrykid
July 24th, 2013, 12:10 AM
Is your dad an officer?

Yeah for 25 years. So is my uncle and my granddad and great uncle. My brothers going in and i plan on it.

chrisf55
July 27th, 2013, 01:41 AM
I agree with the second amendment, and Obama shouldn't even have the power to even try to go against it, since it is the constitution. If we have our weapons taken away, the only ones who will have any are criminals, and we will be left defenseless, making crime also go up.

With Law Enforcement, if Obama get's his way and takes our guns, we will have to greatly increase Law Enforcement.

STEALTHy
July 27th, 2013, 05:01 AM
2nd Amendment: Love the exact way it is, I don't want none of this 10 round magazine stuff.

Law Enforcement: Well I'm guessing this questions being asked because "Ohhh I hate the police" well guess what. If you were to actually talk to a police officer in a reasonable civilized conversation you would find out a good portion if not most of the police officers who join. Do it because they love their community and do their job because they wanted to be the person to help the old lady across the street or save the cat in the tree. I've had many experiences though with well very very mean police officers. Due to my experience though I've been able to tell the good from the bad. The bad cops being the ones who think just because they have a badge and gun makes them better then every other human being. Obviously I have no respect for those ones.

In my honest opinion I think anybody who says they hate the police are stupid. To judge an entire group of more then 700,000 people in the US alone and say they are all evil and immoral is not only illogical but stupid. Just remember police are people too. Anyway that's all I gotta say Hewww :)

thatcountrykid
July 27th, 2013, 07:55 PM
2nd Amendment: Love the exact way it is, I don't want none of this 10 round magazine stuff.

Law Enforcement: Well I'm guessing this questions being asked because "Ohhh I hate the police" well guess what. If you were to actually talk to a police officer in a reasonable civilized conversation you would find out a good portion if not most of the police officers who join. Do it because they love their community and do their job because they wanted to be the person to help the old lady across the street or save the cat in the tree. I've had many experiences though with well very very mean police officers. Due to my experience though I've been able to tell the good from the bad. The bad cops being the ones who think just because they have a badge and gun makes them better then every other human being. Obviously I have no respect for those ones.

In my honest opinion I think anybody who says they hate the police are stupid. To judge an entire group of more then 700,000 people in the US alone and say they are all evil and immoral is not only illogical but stupid. Just remember police are people too. Anyway that's all I gotta say Hewww :)

No man i love the police haha! My father is an officer as well as my uncle. My granddad and great uncle are retired officers. I plan on going in.

Well anyway your right most of them are extremely nice. There are some bad seeds but not many.

comical
July 28th, 2013, 12:21 AM
I agree with the second amendment, and Obama shouldn't even have the power to even try to go against it, since it is the constitution. If we have our weapons taken away, the only ones who will have any are criminals, and we will be left defenseless, making crime also go up.

With Law Enforcement, if Obama get's his way and takes our guns, we will have to greatly increase Law Enforcement.

President Obama ain't trying to take your guns. He is just trying to reform gun laws. Nowhere does it state that we won't have guns. He just doesn't want people walking around with guns more powerful than the Army has.

You really should look at all of the different bills written by Congress. They're the ones you really need your eyes on. Though some seem logical, others seem absurd and "want to take your guns away".

thatcountrykid
July 29th, 2013, 06:30 PM
President Obama ain't trying to take your guns. He is just trying to reform gun laws. Nowhere does it state that we won't have guns. He just doesn't want people walking around with guns more powerful than the Army has.

You really should look at all of the different bills written by Congress. They're the ones you really need your eyes on. Though some seem logical, others seem absurd and "want to take your guns away".

Yeah, by taking away guns we have.

Tree96
August 1st, 2013, 02:35 AM
2nd amendment: That was written when the people didn't have access to guns that can shoot dozens of bullets in multiple seconds. It's good that the people have the right to defend themselves in the case that the government turns on its people. It's not good that any person can shoot up an entire store/school/theater/etc. it's not good that every day I have to be scared that I'm going to be robbed at gunpoint or shot for no reason.

What's so wrong with passing a background check to get a gun? We preform background checks for all types of people but hardly do it or do it with less restrictions when someone is buying a firearm? That's cray-cray. The majority of americans believe there should be stricter background checks when someone buys a gun.

The people that don't are the crazy ass people that think they need an assault/military style rifle for "hunting"

thatcountrykid
August 1st, 2013, 06:01 PM
2nd amendment: That was written when the people didn't have access to guns that can shoot dozens of bullets in multiple seconds. It's good that the people have the right to defend themselves in the case that the government turns on its people. It's not good that any person can shoot up an entire store/school/theater/etc. it's not good that every day I have to be scared that I'm going to be robbed at gunpoint or shot for no reason.

What's so wrong with passing a background check to get a gun? We preform background checks for all types of people but hardly do it or do it with less restrictions when someone is buying a firearm? That's cray-cray. The majority of americans believe there should be stricter background checks when someone buys a gun.

The people that don't are the crazy ass people that think they need an assault/military style rifle for "hunting"

A background check has to be performed when buyin a gun from any store.

Tree96
August 1st, 2013, 07:15 PM
A background check has to be performed when buyin a gun from any store.

They're not all preformed with the same amount of intensity. Some places just take a persons name and other info and still sell the gun before they even preform the actual background check.

thatcountrykid
August 1st, 2013, 09:57 PM
They're not all preformed with the same amount of intensity. Some places just take a persons name and other info and still sell the gun before they even preform the actual background check.

In my state it has to be run through the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. So its all done the same.

Tree96
August 2nd, 2013, 12:54 AM
Yes but Colorado is not at all the same as states like Kentucky, Texas, Wyoming, or any other ultra conservative state.