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Southside
July 21st, 2013, 10:31 AM
As many of you know, the cost of college has risen dramatically in the last few years. You cant go many places without a college degree, do you think that it should be free or less costly? A lot of people graduate high school and arent able to go to college due to the high cost. Yes, you do have student loans but no one should be stuck with loans until their 40 or 50 years old. What are your feelings and thoughts on this? Feel free to make any comparisons.

Harry Smith
July 21st, 2013, 10:34 AM
Part of me says yes it should but we simply can't afford it. Over here you don't pay off any of your student loan until you earn over 21k a year and after 20 years the loan ends no matter if you've paid it off or not.

I also disagree that's is necessary, I mean universities unlike schools can refuse you access to the course based on your academic performance. However I support grands and funds that help support low income families in regards to going to university

Stronk Serb
July 21st, 2013, 03:32 PM
In Serbia, on all state universities, you do a test to pass in and be able to attend the university. Then the only expenses are exams. You can also choose to be self-finance your studies, but it demands a lot of money per year. Yeah, it should be free for those who are capable of passing the tests, and are not slacking behind. There should be some government help for poor families so that the government pays a part of the expenses, but the student must be average or higher in terms of grades.

britishboy
July 21st, 2013, 03:44 PM
In Serbia, on all state universities, you do a test to pass in and be able to attend the university. Then the only expenses are exams. You can also choose to be self-finance your studies, but it demands a lot of money per year. Yeah, it should be free for those who are capable of passing the tests, and are not slacking behind. There should be some government help for poor families so that the government pays a part of the expenses, but the student must be average or higher in terms of grades.

agreed but education is worth paying fo

Walter Powers
July 21st, 2013, 04:44 PM
I think we need to stop giving the colleges subsidies. Form what I hear, that's what's making the price rise so much. It's an unintended consequence.

moscwich
July 21st, 2013, 05:46 PM
Form what I hear, that's what's making the price rise so much.How?
I find it nonsense.

Vteenboy 1
July 21st, 2013, 06:18 PM
The problem is colladges and unies get to be as good as they are because they earn alot of money off of the emitions fees and I think that they should keep doing what they are doing only cheaper fees for those who are less fortunate but are capable of completing the course

Walter Powers
July 21st, 2013, 06:49 PM
How?
I find it nonsense.

Sorry, I added that incorrectly. What I meant was subsidies and scholarships to students cause the tuition increase, as there is added demand.

Zach4110
July 21st, 2013, 08:29 PM
Sorry, I added that incorrectly. What I meant was subsidies and scholarships to students cause the tuition increase, as there is added demand.
Ah, the economic cost of subsidization and government distortion of markets.

Jess
July 21st, 2013, 08:33 PM
I think it should be less costly. My parents have to pay way more for me to go to the same college (very close to home) than my older brother :/

Castle of Glass
July 21st, 2013, 09:00 PM
In Finland collages are free to masters degrees(the degree needed to even think about becoming a teacher), and a lot of Doctorates are also free. There are private schools but why go, when you can go to a public school that's on the same level for free.

Walter Powers
July 21st, 2013, 09:37 PM
I think it should be less costly. My parents have to pay way more for me to go to the same college (very close to home) than my older brother :/

And why is that?

Your lucky your parents are paying for all your college...mine are only gonna cover like half of it or something.

In Finland collages are free to masters degrees(the degree needed to even think about becoming a teacher), and a lot of Doctorates are also free. There are private schools but why go, when you can go to a public school that's on the same level for free.

What if you fail? Do taxpayers pick up that expense? That hardly seems fair.

I'm thankful my Finnish ancestors moved here...

Jess
July 21st, 2013, 09:40 PM
And why is that?

Your lucky your parents are paying for all your college...mine are only gonna cover like half of it or something.

I'm not exactly sure (stupid, I know) why my parents have to pay more for me. But I'm thinking of dropping out after this school year is over. My grades just suck :/ My mom have said enough times I should.

Walter Powers
July 21st, 2013, 09:42 PM
I'm not exactly sure (stupid, I know) why my parents have to pay more for me. But I'm thinking of dropping out after this school year is over. My grades just suck :/

Out of college or high school?

Jess
July 21st, 2013, 09:44 PM
Out of college or high school?
College. I graduated from high school last year :) I did fine in high school - mostly A's, a couple B's. But college...bleh. Not a single A, mostly C's and B's. I failed a class in the second semester (economics). The best final grade I got was an 89 in Natural Disasters.

(It would be nice if college was free, but I'm pretty sure universities will still have to make money in some way...)

Walter Powers
July 21st, 2013, 09:52 PM
College. I graduated from high school last year :) I did fine in high school - mostly A's, a couple B's. But college...bleh. Not a single A, mostly C's and B's. I failed a class in the second semester (economics). The best final grade I got was an 89 in Natural Disasters.

(It would be nice if college was free, but I'm pretty sure universities will still have to make money in some way...)

Exactly. The end result of completely publicly funded college would be colleges charging the government outrageous prices to educate people with no oversight. It'd be ripping off taxpayers and inefficient.

I obviously haven't been to college yet, but I don't think that you should drop out. True, your grades aren't great, but they aren't bad either. And remember, this is the best investment you can make. This is because no matter what, nobody can take away your education. Having a degree really raises your potential quality of life.

Castle of Glass
July 21st, 2013, 11:13 PM
What if you fail? Do taxpayers pick up that expense? That hardly seems fair.

I'm thankful my Finnish ancestors moved here...

Finland: Pay national taxes, get free health care, amazing road quality even in the back woods, free education, amazing food(school, work, prison) barely any crime or homeless people. so one down, and what, a bunch of ups. I say it is worth it. It may be free, but you still have to get in. Taxpayers all pay for everything. Why should you have a student loan debt when everyone pays to help everyone out?

Walter Powers
July 21st, 2013, 11:20 PM
Finland: Pay national taxes, get free health care, amazing road quality even in the back woods, free education, amazing food(school, work, prison) barely any crime or homeless people. so one down, and what, a bunch of ups. I say it is worth it. It may be free, but you still have to get in. Taxpayers all pay for everything. Why should you have a student loan debt when everyone pays to help everyone out?

It makes more sense to pay for the services you use. No need to Lauder money through government bureaucrats making six figures.

And you didn't answer my question: What if you fail a course? Do taxpayers foot the bill for you to retake it? Seems like this policy would create a lack of accountability.

Castle of Glass
July 21st, 2013, 11:29 PM
It makes more sense to pay for the services you use. No need to Lauder money through government bureaucrats making six figures.

And you didn't answer my question: What if you fail a course? Do taxpayers foot the bill for you to retake it? Seems like this policy would create a lack of accountability.

Well, the thing is, finland only spends ~7.5k per student per year, which pretty much less than a cent from ever citizen in finland. So it isn't that heavy on the tax payers. and finland(unlike the us) makes richer people pay a lot more in taxes. But in reality, if you were to fail a course, you will most likely be kicked out, unless you can prove you are good enough. Yes the tax payers pay for it, but that person will most likely be kicked out and need to retake the entrance exam to even think about taking it again, even when there already are ~100 more students trying to get in.

moscwich
July 22nd, 2013, 04:47 AM
What I meant was subsidies and scholarships to students cause the tuition increase, as there is added demand.Do you think that the demand is unwanted? It is another matter, who should be the recipient of subsidies.
I do not think that the credit slavery is a good decision. As for taxpayers, should each other to help.

Azunite
July 22nd, 2013, 05:42 AM
It is closed to discussion, of course they should be free.

But the question is does the government have enough money to survive on its on without the income from colleges?

Also free college shouldn't mean under-quality education.

Walter Powers
July 22nd, 2013, 11:30 AM
Do you think that the demand is unwanted? It is another matter, who should be the recipient of subsidies.
I do not think that the credit slavery is a good decision. As for taxpayers, should each other to help.

I think it's a good thing if we have room for more students. Otherwise, all it's doing is making the colleges really rich; they still have the same number of spots.

What we need is more space in colleges. If we bring up supply, the price will go down.


It is closed to discussion, of course they should be free.

But the question is does the government have enough money to survive on its on without the income from colleges?

Also free college shouldn't mean under-quality education.

Well tough luck. Completely government funded colleges WOULD mean under quality education, that's why it's a bad idea.

moscwich
July 22nd, 2013, 01:25 PM
I think it's a good thing if we have room for more students. Otherwise, all it's doing is making the colleges really rich; they still have the same number of spots.
What we need is more space in colleges. If we bring up supply, the price will go down.What are the causes of the shortage palces in colleges? Could you tell more about it?

hihowisitgoin
July 22nd, 2013, 03:30 PM
In a perfect world yeas and even then, the school would have almost no urge to have the students due well so that they can overprice the college. But if college was free would the assumption be that the government would be paying for college materials? If so, then no, I do not believe that colleges should be free.

tovaris
July 25th, 2013, 05:35 PM
Universeties are alredy free.

KrystalBear98
July 25th, 2013, 05:36 PM
life would be so much easier if it was

Jenny jr
July 25th, 2013, 05:57 PM
I don't think it should be free. I think half price would be good.

Taryn98
July 25th, 2013, 06:01 PM
someone has to pay for it
if it's not the individual then it's the government, which really means it's the taxpayers
why should the taxpayer pay for something that only a certain % of people use?
also, what has the government run that has been run effectively, efficiently, productively, and without corruption?
it would lead to even higher costs and higher taxes and poorer education and services

The responsibility lies on the individual.