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Maverick
January 7th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Iranians harassed U.S. ships, Navy confirms

The White House warns Tehran after the incident in the Persian Gulf. Americans were preparing to fire on the approaching vessels, an official says.
By Ramin Mostaghim and Borzou Daragahi
Special to The Times

1:01 PM PST, January 7, 2008

TEHRAN — A U.S. Navy official in Bahrain today confirmed the broad outlines of a weekend confrontation between U.S. and Iranian warships in the Persian Gulf.

Citing unnamed military officials in Washington, CNN, NBC and other news outlets reported today that one of five Iranian ships came within 200 yards of a group of three U.S. naval vessels Saturday night in international waters within the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow passage through which much of the gulf's oil reaches the world.

According to CNN's report, the Iranians radioed the Americans with a threatening remark. "I am coming at you," the Iranian said, according to military officials cited by CNN. "You will explode in a couple minutes."

U.S. troops manned their positions and officers prepared to give the order to fire, but the Iranians turned away, the U.S. officials told reporters in Washington. No shots were fired.

U.S. officials in the region provided few details of the incident other than to confirm a confrontation. "There was an incident that happened," said a Navy official reached by phone in Bahrain, headquarters of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which patrols the Persian Gulf. "No American ships were taken over."

The White House called on Iran to desist from such moves. "We urge the Iranians to refrain from such provocative actions that could lead to a dangerous incident in the future," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said, according to Reuters.

Iranian Foreign Ministry and security officials said they could not confirm the incident. Mohammed Ali Hosseini, a spokesman for the ministry, and Hamid Reza Haji Babaie, head of parliament's National Security Committee, said today that they had not yet been able to get information about any such confrontation, which reportedly involved the navy of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, a parallel military branch allied with Iranian hard-liners who sometimes have little to do with Iran's official governing bodies.

But the incident has prompted fears that hard-liners within the Iranian establishment are trying to sabotage a reduction in tensions between Washington and Iran. One source close to Iran's hard-line camp said Iranians were justified in warning U.S. or any other forces from straying into their territorial waters.

"Generally speaking, according to the supreme leader's [Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's] guidelines, any foreign fleet of vessels or any foreign jet fighter trespassing Iran's water or land borders or air, whether in the Caspian Sea or Persian Gulf or Shatt al Arab, the Revolutionary Guards should react or at least threaten to counterattack," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "It is general rule, so if U.S. forces trespass, we will respond."

Iran and the U.S. are at odds over Tehran's nuclear program and support for militant groups throughout the Middle East. The incident follows the December release of a U.S. National Intelligence Estimate that undercut the possibility of war between America and Iran by reporting that Tehran had ceased a clandestine nuclear weapons program in 2003. It also follows an International Atomic Energy Agency report that generally praised Iran's efforts to come clean on its past nuclear activities.

Last week, Khamenei, the country's ultimate military and political authority, spoke in his Friday sermon of the possibility of one day normalizing relations with Washington, though he said now was not the time for a diplomatic breakthrough.

Analysts in the region said the easing of international tensions plays against hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose backers face a stiff challenge from reformist and moderates in upcoming parliamentary elections. One analyst and military expert said the timing of the incident may indicate that some in Iran's political and military establishment don't want an end to the tensions between Iran and the U.S.

"If the news is correct, it means some faction inside the country wants to make the water murky and create tension at the expense of the detente between U.S. and Iran at this juncture," said Davoud Hermidas Bavand, a Tehran political scientist. "The NIE and IAEA reports provided the window for reducing tension. But it seems some factions do not want it, which is very dangerous now. It's playing with fire."

The Revolutionary Guards in March detained 15 British sailors and Marines in disputed gulf waters off the coast of Iraq. The troops were released after about two weeks in captivity.

Underground_Network
January 7th, 2008, 08:32 PM
I read this article on MSN. Sounds interesting, Iran better watch itself, they have a habit of pissing us off and getting pissed at us. Hopefully this will just go away and won't erupt into something major.

0=
January 7th, 2008, 08:36 PM
They do have good reason to hate us, so I can't really blame them.

Underground_Network
January 7th, 2008, 08:38 PM
^^ Tis true, but unless they plan on nuking us, I don't think they really want to go to war with us...

0=
January 7th, 2008, 08:40 PM
We're in a depression and our military resources are spread thin; our country will be on the verge of a collapse if we attack Iran. Not that the current administration cares :lol3:

Underground_Network
January 7th, 2008, 08:41 PM
^^ Even better point. :lol3:

persiandude
April 4th, 2010, 02:40 PM
so iranian ships harrassed a few US ships!big deal! in the 1980s the us shot down a commercial iran air airliner......because they thought it was a threat! everybody died.women and children.....and it was flying from iran to dubai!!!!!!!!and the people who did it got awarded for it!!!!

Whisper
April 4th, 2010, 03:53 PM
^^^
That was an accident the IFF of an Iranian fighter was supper imposed over the commercial jet when they initially took off from the airfield because of the proximity of the commercial jet and the fighter (they were both taking off) and they were never reset so the fighter went off with a commercial IFF and the commercial jet went towards them carrying a hostile IFF. Commercial liners operate on a different radio frequency that the military doesn't have access to so when the officers tried to contact the "fighter" multiple times, it didn't respond, nor change direction, they believed that to be a hostile act, waited until it was extremely close and then fired in defense. It was an equipment malfunction not an attack of malice.
I don't think they received any type of reward or medal for that at all


Those cases are completely different, they have no grounding here.
This was a different situation
To be frank the Iranian commander was acting more like something you'd expect from a North Korean (that is if the quotes are indeed accurate and not exaggerated)


We're in a depression and our military resources are spread thin; our country will be on the verge of a collapse if we attack Iran. Not that the current administration cares :lol3:

No it won't
Your military is fine
Its not blowing shit up that costs allot its rebuilding and stabilizing
and if they want a direct confrontation
and they provoke a severe attack
there will be no aid money (from the states), there will be no rebuilding

It would take a matter of weeks, not even.

But that won't happen Iran isn't that stupid and the Americans will never make the first move, to much bullshit with the international community, mainly China and Russia not to mention the current administration has its hands full with domestic affairs
and if the Americans initiate then they have to try and rebuild, which takes longer and costs more.

As far as nukes, america isn't worried about North America being struck with a nuke, I mean ya the threat always exists but anybody who dared would be signing there own death certificate for their entire nation. We would have one city destroyed but America would respond quickly and harshly, Iran would be no more, completely uninhabitable for a very long time. No there main concern is Israel. If Iran's confirmed to have nukes then it will start an arms race in the middle east.
Eruuugh....gas would go through the roof.

Obscene Eyedeas
April 4th, 2010, 05:56 PM
:locked: please do not bump old threads