Unisex restrooms.

[Zelder]

Just curious on other people's opinions on this. I think that large unisex or gender neutral restrooms are good for a variety of reasons.

First, one larger unisex restroom is much more efficient. When you have two separate ones, one can get a really long line while the other being vacant. This way, everybody can use all the restrooms available, and their won't be a big disparity of waits for the men's and the women's.

Second, this allows people with special circumstances to easier use the public facilities. It often presents a problem for parents who have a child of their opposite gender. This way, they won't have to choose what to do. Also, gender specific restrooms can present a problem for transgender people.

Third, doing this allows women to use urinals. What? You say. That's right, women can use urinals, they just need a funnel to help them. It's called a female urination device. I have one, and it actually works quite well and is very convenient. This is a good thing because urinals are much more efficient then toilets. They're more green. If the toilets are gender neutral, everybody could use the urinal. This saves money and water because urinals are more efficient then toilets.

Some people may claim that doing this puts women more at risk of attack/rape. This claim is actually pretty silly if you think about it. Is a sign that says "women" really gonna stop a male attacker?

Also, some women may claim that men make a mess, and for this reason we should limit it only to men having to deal with it. That actually seems a little sexist, in my opinion. All men shouldn't foot the blame for the men who can't aim. I know my brother can aim just fine; he never makes a mess! Gender neutral restrooms spread the disgust out through both sexes it's more fair.

So what do you think...should more gender neutral/unisex restrooms be built in new buildings? Would you use them? I personally would prefer it but I want other thoughts.

[Walter Powers]

That's just weird...

[britishboy]

im sorry but common sence forces me to say a big NO to this

[PinkFloyd]

It really is a good idea, but society would not approve of it for a very, very long time if ever.

[Jevon]

Umm you know I really don't even know what to think about this....like yah It might be easier but still women have different needs of the bathroom than men do and around the urinal is always quite Nasty where all the guys who have shitty aim have piss all on the floor...so idk there are times where I think it could work but there would a lot of different problems to I think

[Gigablue]

I do think it makes sense, but I don't think people would accept it. I don't think it will ever happen, though it is a good idea.

[Walter Powers]

im sorry but common sence forces me to say a big NO to this

Agreed.

[Gigablue]

im sorry but common sence forces me to say a big NO to this

Why? It would save money and increase efficiency. Sure it might seem weird, but that shouldn't stand on the face of the facts.

[comical]

I completely understand the reasons for Unisex bathrooms, and agree with the benefits they bring. All the way up until the portion about urinals.

I think women using urinals is completely absurd and just.. weird. It's especially unnecessary seeing as the women would have to pay for a urination funnel, when there are already toilets. And if we try and replace toilets with urinals, what if we have to do a #2? :D :what:

[Elysium]

The only reason I've ever strongly supported unisex bathrooms is for people who fall outside of the gender binary. Of course, I agree with all the other reasons you've stated (although women using urinals came off as a little odd to me, just because of anatomical differences, but whatever suits you), and ideally, I'd like to see this be a comfortable arrangement for everyone, but unfortunately I don't believe society will reach that standard as soon as I'd like it to.

The other day I went to a restaurant that had a unisex bathroom as well as a women's bathroom and a men's bathroom. I thought that worked pretty well.

[Sugaree]

I would support it. But it would be a long time before it became a societal norm.

[RoseyCadaver]

Being someone who will openly say they don't consider themselves male or female(gender), and knowing of many transgender friends, I think unisex bathrooms would be nice.

I mean, what's the threat of going in the bathroom with someone of the opposite sex?

[Abyssal Echo]

im sorry but common sence forces me to say a big NO to this

I agree

[Jess]

I support it, though I agree with Fisk, it'll be a long time before they're a norm....

[Mushin]

Just curious on other people's opinions on this. I think that large unisex or gender neutral restrooms are good for a variety of reasons.

First, one larger unisex restroom is much more efficient. When you have two separate ones, one can get a really long line while the other being vacant. This way, everybody can use all the restrooms available, and their won't be a big disparity of waits for the men's and the women's.

A simple solution to this would be to add more stalls to the already available men/women's restrooms. This would make each gender's restroom more efficient, and therefore making the need for a unisex restroom unnecessary. Also, this would not make any logical sense as to being more efficient. If a unisex restroom were created, then both genders would need to congregate in the restroom in order to use it. This doubles the amount of possible people needing to use the restroom at any given time, which still leaves a possibility for a line. (Quite a larger line at that)

Second, this allows people with special circumstances to easier use the public facilities. It often presents a problem for parents who have a child of their opposite gender. This way, they won't have to choose what to do. Also, gender specific restrooms can present a problem for transgender people.

Family (unisex) restrooms are already available for people with young children. Gender specific restrooms would not cause a problem for transgender people, as they would have the go-ahead to use whichever restroom they feel most comfortable using.

Third, doing this allows women to use urinals. What? You say. That's right, women can use urinals, they just need a funnel to help them. It's called a female urination device. I have one, and it actually works quite well and is very convenient. This is a good thing because urinals are much more efficient then toilets. They're more green. If the toilets are gender neutral, everybody could use the urinal. This saves money and water because urinals are more efficient then toilets.

I don't think there are any laws against women having urinals installed into their restrooms- so why not just do that? There's no need to create a unisex restroom simply because the women's restroom does not have urinals. Just implicate urinals into the already gender specific restroom.

Also, some women may claim that men make a mess, and for this reason we should limit it only to men having to deal with it. That actually seems a little sexist, in my opinion. All men shouldn't foot the blame for the men who can't aim. I know my brother can aim just fine; he never makes a mess! Gender neutral restrooms spread the disgust out through both sexes it's more fair.

.-. This is why we have janitors. The blame doesn't need to put on any specific gender or individual. Some people are plain and simple, messy. Whether this be in a restroom situation or any other aspect of life.

So what do you think...should more gender neutral/unisex restrooms be built in new buildings? Would you use them? I personally would prefer it but I want other thoughts.

No, there is no logical reasoning for a unisex restroom.

[Its Pretty]

I believe that a female urination device is a lot more messy then a penis. I'm worried that this might cause some sort of wierd fetishism over the device xD. Not that it's really a bad thing.

[RoseyCadaver]

No, there is no logical reasoning for a unisex restroom.

Why not? It would be more efficient; if there was a large group of people of one sex going to a bathroom, and say a smaller group of the opposite sex going into another, some people are going to have to wait. If you have two unisex bathrooms, less people would have to be in line and the bathrooms could have an almost even number of people, or more room for people.

[britishboy]

Why not? It would be more efficient; if there was a large group of people of one sex going to a bathroom, and say a smaller group of the opposite sex going into another, some people are going to have to wait. If you have two unisex bathrooms, less people would have to be in line and the bathrooms could have an almost even number of people, or more room for people.

build bigger bathrooms, its in appropriate for men and women to use the same restrooms

[RoseyCadaver]

build bigger bathrooms, its in appropriate for men and women to use the same restrooms

How? Are you afraid a woman might see some man's penis or a man might see some woman's vagina? Oh no! Anatomy I already know about! Hide it! Hide it!

[Stronk Serb]

It seems logical, but I would feel weird for some time, until I get used to it. Not everyone would agree, at least in Serbia where the majority would be against it.

[britishboy]

How? Are you afraid a woman might see some man's penis or a man might see some woman's vagina? Oh no! Anatomy I already know about! Hide it! Hide it!

yep people dont feel comfortable in certain circumstances in front of the other gender, I know your transgendered so this might all be diffient for you but your a minority and for the majority that is how things are

[Moondust]

I think it should be restricted to transgenders and if there were to be urinals for women, each one should have a more privacy( more than just a small, thin wall)
And I do agree, saying that women would be subject to rape is treating them as sex objects. If she was around other women or men that would protect her from a creep, it would be ok, but if she was alone in the room with him, then what? Well, I guess the community does treat men all perverts and it's about time we get over our expecting the worst in people.
While I do like the idea of such, since I do know a transgender and a lesbian which feel out of place in the women's bathroom, there would still be millions of people who would want to stick to the old ways. Heck, they're only bathrooms! You don't need to worry so much about privacy. But as I said, transgender what be better

[Sugaree]

yep people dont feel comfortable in certain circumstances in front of the other gender, I know your transgendered so this might all be diffient for you but your a minority and for the majority that is how things are

It is the job of the majority to make sure the minority can live as comfortably as they (the majority) do. Would you not agree?

[Mushin]

Why not? It would be more efficient; if there was a large group of people of one sex going to a bathroom, and say a smaller group of the opposite sex going into another, some people are going to have to wait. If you have two unisex bathrooms, less people would have to be in line and the bathrooms could have an almost even number of people, or more room for people.

No it would not be more efficient. I already explained the reasoning as to why that wouldn't work out. You would be doubling the amount of possible people to be using the restroom at any given time, therefore increasing the probability of a line forming.

[Walter Powers]

It is the job of the majority to make sure the minority can live as comfortably as they (the majority) do. Would you not agree?

Not if it means lowering the quality of life for the majority, no. Especially when it's a very big majority (non transgenders) who would lose and a very small minority (transgenders) who would benefit.

[Sugaree]

Not if it means lowering the quality of life for the majority, no. Especially when it's a very big majority (non transgenders) who would lose and a very small minority (transgenders) who would benefit.

How is an extra restroom going to lower a non-transgender's quality of life? I fail to see your logic behind this.

[Walter Powers]

How is an extra restroom going to lower a non-transgender's quality of life? I fail to see your logic behind this.


I was referring to Zelder's crazy idea to do one giant unisex restroom that'd make everybody but the transgenders and pervs uncomfortable.

But I'll also say it shouldn't be required business build new gender neutral restrooms. Restrooms aren't cheap.

[Sugaree]

I was referring to Zelder's crazy idea to do one giant unisex restroom that'd make everybody but the transgenders and pervs uncomfortable.

But I'll also say it shouldn't be required business build new gender neutral restrooms. Restrooms aren't cheap.

You can't really say that would make everyone feel uncomfortable. The good majority of people? Probably. But there will obviously still be part of the majority that might be totally fine with it. I do agree though, that's just a crazy idea.

On whether or not a business should be REQUIRED to build a new gender neutral restroom is another debate for another time.

[RoseyCadaver]

You would be doubling the amount of possible people to be using the restroom at any given time, therefore increasing the probability of a line forming.

People are going to go to the bathroom, unisex or not. It won't magically double just because it's open space to all sexes.

[Moondust]

Actually, I think keeping restrooms as they are is a better idea now that I think about it.
Cause really, all you do it relieve yourself, so there's really no need to feel awkward or anything about what bathroom you use. Although, I think they should put urinals in both gender`s restrooms. Heck, I'm a tomboy and I've always wanted to try it >:)
But they'd need more privacy to them and if a women didn't feel comfortable doing it there, she could always just use a stall. I mean, I think we take privacy too seriously for restrooms. It's only to relieve ourselves and since all girls have the same parts then it shouldn't be awkward. I'd be a whole lot quicker and I wouldn't have to stand in line.

[chrisawesome]

Well, I think this would be a bad idea.
First, there may be rapist hiding in a stall waiting for a woman to get near them.

Second, I've seen many public places have family or at least one unisex restroom!

Third, women would complain about how messy the restroom is because men would miss and pee all over the floor.

Forth, a little girl going to a stall has no right to see a hot headed old man on Viagra whip out his dick 20 ft before he gets to the urinal to show off his wrinkly dinkly

Fifth, some women find the ladies room a place where they can tend to their feminine self(men don't want to smell fish unless there is a seafood restraunt around the corner!!)

Sixth, WOMEN CANT USE URINALS, THAT IS JUST WIERD TO SEE!!!!! MEN ARE THE ONLY ONES WITH A PENIS, SO THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO SHOULD USE A URINAL.

As for the long line issue, when I have been a football stadiums, both lines were of equal length. If you want to make things quicker, make women's restrooms bigger and get rid of the urinals in mens restrooms and bring back trough style ones, that way eliminating all that wasted wall space will bring in 2x as many pissing men!

[britishboy]

It is the job of the majority to make sure the minority can live as comfortably as they (the majority) do. Would you not agree?

the thing is transgendered people are rare and the masses wont agree with building another restroom that will go unused or using the same restroom as the other gender as this is highly inappropriate, however yes personally I would like to see them comfortable, if they have a penis go in the males if you have a virginia go in the females, this should be adversed more

[Azunite]

Women will have no place to go and gossip about the men sitting at the dining table waiting for them in a restaurant.

[Mushin]

People are going to go to the bathroom, unisex or not. It won't magically double just because it's open space to all sexes.

Yes it will;

Let's say you have 200 men who use the restroom at a mall every 3hrs. You also have 200 woman who use the restroom every three hours. Each set of 200 is separated into their gender according restroom.

However if you have a unisex restroom, that is 400 total people using the same bathroom every 3hrs. The values are no longer split because each gender is congregating in the same place.

Having unisex bathrooms doesn't solve the problem of over crowding at all.

[Zelder]

Well, I think this would be a bad idea.
First, there may be rapist hiding in a stall waiting for a woman to get near them.

Second, I've seen many public places have family or at least one unisex restroom!

Third, women would complain about how messy the restroom is because men would miss and pee all over the floor.

Forth, a little girl going to a stall has no right to see a hot headed old man on Viagra whip out his dick 20 ft before he gets to the urinal to show off his wrinkly dinkly

Fifth, some women find the ladies room a place where they can tend to their feminine self(men don't want to smell fish unless there is a seafood restraunt around the corner!!)

Sixth, WOMEN CANT USE URINALS, THAT IS JUST WIERD TO SEE!!!!! MEN ARE THE ONLY ONES WITH A PENIS, SO THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO SHOULD USE A URINAL.

As for the long line issue, when I have been a football stadiums, both lines were of equal length. If you want to make things quicker, make women's restrooms bigger and get rid of the urinals in mens restrooms and bring back trough style ones, that way eliminating all that wasted wall space will bring in 2x as many pissing men!

Just so you know, girls can pee standing up, and could totally use a urinal, it's messy but that problem is eliminated with urination device. How would you know? Your not female!

[teen.jpg]

Sure, you can make them unisex. But people will still self-segregate, for privacy reasons. I think it's important we do that because I for one would NEVER use a public restroom with women in their. I'd be too embarrassed.

the thing is transgendered people are rare and the masses wont agree with building another restroom that will go unused or using the same restroom as the other gender as this is highly inappropriate, however yes personally I would like to see them comfortable, if they have a penis go in the males if you have a virginia go in the females, this should be adversed more

No, you should go into the restroom that applies to your GENDER, not your SEX. Trust me when I say this, to a transgendered person, that is a big difference.

If you identify as male, go in the male restroom, and vice versa. It shouldn't be complicated.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[britishboy]

No, you should go into the restroom that applies to your GENDER, not your SEX. Trust me when I say this, to a transgendered person, that is a big difference.

If you identify as male, go in the male restroom, and vice versa. It shouldn't be complicated.

gender is your sex? wtf?

[teen.jpg]

gender is your sex? wtf?

Gender = Male/Female/Trans. This is your identity. So someone who is transgender wants to identify as the other gender.

Sex = Man/Woman/Trans. This is determined by the sexual organs you have. Someone who is transsexual can have a sex change so that they feel more like the gender they identify as.

I really hope I explained that clearly :)

[britishboy]

Gender = Male/Female/Trans. This is your identity. So someone who is transgender wants to identify as the other gender.

Sex = Man/Woman/Trans. This is determined by the sexual organs you have. Someone who is transsexual can have a sex change so that they feel more like the gender they identify as.

I really hope I explained that clearly :)

oh I get it now thanks!:) however if you go into the wrong changing room for your sex because your transgendered, that may confuse everyone and you may get a few odd look:P

[teen.jpg]

oh I get it now thanks!:) however if you go into the wrong changing room for your sex because your transgendered, that may confuse everyone and you may get a few odd look:P

And really, why give a fuck? (sorry for the language btw :)) You will never see those people ever again in your life, so why should they have a lasting effect on you?

[britishboy]

And really, why give a fuck? (sorry for the language btw :)) You will never see those people ever again in your life, so why should they have a lasting effect on you?

lol so true:P and thats another reason for no unisex restrooms

[jayyy-lmao]

What if there were no urinals, and just loos?All ypu'd have to do to make it she-friendly is add a bin, and the machines that dispense pads? They can spew condoms too. Bam. Unisex both gender friendly loos.
I don't see the problem, really. The loo is unisex in your home, right?

[britishboy]

What if there were no urinals, and just loos?All ypu'd have to do to make it she-friendly is add a bin, and the machines that dispense pads? They can spew condoms too. Bam. Unisex both gender friendly loos.
I don't see the problem, really. The loo is unisex in your home, right?

1) it will never be accepted
2) its highly inappropriate
3) the restroom in you house(s) I doubt ypu share with strangers?

[jayyy-lmao]

1) it will never be accepted
2) its highly inappropriate
3) the restroom in you house(s) I doubt ypu share with strangers?

Why is it inappropriate? The men aren't shoving their dicks in people's faces. the women aren't flaunting their boobs, how is it inappropriate?

[britishboy]

Why is it inappropriate? The men aren't shoving their dicks in people's faces. the women aren't flaunting their boobs, how is it inappropriate?

this is from a website, it explains it better than I can
Inviting males and females to a communal rest room has raised the eyebrows of onlookers who feel this is an invasion of privacy. Questions of both sexual harassment and sexual rendezvous happening within a unisex bathroom have arisen with a negative response while others have voiced concern over child predators entering into a unisex bathroom.
surly common sence would have told you this?

[Castle of Glass]

Also, some women may claim that men make a mess, and for this reason we should limit it only to men having to deal with it. That actually seems a little sexist, in my opinion. All men shouldn't foot the blame for the men who can't aim. I know my brother can aim just fine; he never makes a mess! Gender neutral restrooms spread the disgust out through both sexes it's more fair.

Just wanted to say that this is so wrong on so many levels. have spoken to a lot of janitors, cuz they are surprisingly cool, and all of them say women make a larger mess with all the stuff they do in the bathroom.

as for the unisex bathrooms, yes if there aren't alot of ppl there(so not at airports or any places like that) other wise no.

[Rina]

There are things like mixed bathing in Japan. Which kind of relates to unisex restrooms. It shows that people aren't resistant exactly to the idea, but also, the Onsens are actually in small amounts and people (more specifically, women) feel uncomfortable with the idea. If people go to the Onsens, it's usually in groups/as couples/etc. There are certain risks taken when you mix sexes. It's not because it's "inappropriate", it's because it's uncomfortable for the masses and there are perverts and disgusting people who use will take advantage.

Maybe, unisex bathrooms could work. But, then it would just mean more people are going to the same place and thus it would cause larger lines and such.

I personally would not use a unisex bathroom, especially if I were to go alone. I don't use public restrooms anyways lol.

[Camazotz]

First, one larger unisex restroom is much more efficient. When you have two separate ones, one can get a really long line while the other being vacant. This way, everybody can use all the restrooms available, and their won't be a big disparity of waits for the men's and the women's.

No way, I have never had to wait more than a couple minutes to use the bathroom, and I don't plan on that ever changing. Maybe womens' restrooms should have more toilets, and maybe women should be quicker.

Second, this allows people with special circumstances to easier use the public facilities. It often presents a problem for parents who have a child of their opposite gender. This way, they won't have to choose what to do. Also, gender specific restrooms can present a problem for transgender people.

Parents bring their young children into the restroom of the parent's gender. By age 4, all children should be able to use the restroom by themselves, and the parent can just wait outside. Transgenders can choose whichever restroom they want to go to; doubt anyone in there would make a big deal about it.

Third, doing this allows women to use urinals. What? You say. That's right, women can use urinals, they just need a funnel to help them. It's called a female urination device. I have one, and it actually works quite well and is very convenient. This is a good thing because urinals are much more efficient then toilets. They're more green. If the toilets are gender neutral, everybody could use the urinal. This saves money and water because urinals are more efficient then toilets.

There are certain things that should done to be energy efficient, and other things that shouldn't. This is just one of those things that shouldn't. Most women wouldn't be comfortable with using that, and it's just unrealistic to expect them all to be comfortable with it.

Some people may claim that doing this puts women more at risk of attack/rape. This claim is actually pretty silly if you think about it. Is a sign that says "women" really gonna stop a male attacker?

Yes, somewhat. It's a deterrent. Male attackers may not want to go into the women's restroom at risk of multiple witnesses in there; they'd be exposed. If a male is waiting in the unisex bathroom for a lone woman, it makes it easier to hide so they could be less suspicious.

Also, some women may claim that men make a mess, and for this reason we should limit it only to men having to deal with it. That actually seems a little sexist, in my opinion. All men shouldn't foot the blame for the men who can't aim. I know my brother can aim just fine; he never makes a mess! Gender neutral restrooms spread the disgust out through both sexes it's more fair.

As someone else pointed out, I've been told by multiple people that womens' restrooms are "grosser" and "messier" than mens' restrooms. I've never been told the reverse. But they're probably about the equally gross since most people haven't been in enough restrooms to judge fairly.

So what do you think...should more gender neutral/unisex restrooms be built in new buildings? Would you use them? I personally would prefer it but I want other thoughts.

Nope, unisex bathrooms should be reserved for individual restrooms (one toilet, sink, etc.). But restrooms meant for multiple people should be separated by gender for several reasons. Not many would use them, including myself.

[jayyy-lmao]

this is from a website, it explains it better than I can
Inviting males and females to a communal rest room has raised the eyebrows of onlookers who feel this is an invasion of privacy. Questions of both sexual harassment and sexual rendezvous happening within a unisex bathroom have arisen with a negative response while others have voiced concern over child predators entering into a unisex bathroom.
surly common sence would have told you this?

Oh please. As has already been said here, do you think a sign that says "Women" would stop a sexual predator? And exactly how would they be harrassed? It would be no different from in public. And if you have concerns of child predators, why isn't it a problem when boys and men share a bathroom? Men can molest boys, it doesn't have to be man and girl. Smae goes for women. A woman can molest a girl.

[Human]

The only bit I agree with is the idea that transgendered people would feel unsure which room to choose. Why can't womens rooms just get urinals?
Personally, I would feel uncomfortable being in a restroom with men and women, I already feel uncomfortable using a urinal with other people around and with women around it would just make it worse.

[britishboy]

Oh please. As has already been said here, do you think a sign that says "Women" would stop a sexual predator? And exactly how would they be harrassed? It would be no different from in public. And if you have concerns of child predators, why isn't it a problem when boys and men share a bathroom? Men can molest boys, it doesn't have to be man and girl. Smae goes for women. A woman can molest a girl.

people could still have sex in there making it not very family friendly, and considering theres no reason for it other than 'why not' its not worth the risk. and btw generally its a 60+ year old man looking for under 10 vulnerable girls

[Sugaree]

and btw generally its a 60+ year old man looking for under 10 vulnerable girls

No, it's not. It can be a 30 year old looking for a teenager or any other combination. It's not JUST old people who molest kids. You're making assumptions again.

[britishboy]

No, it's not. It can be a 30 year old looking for a teenager or any other combination. It's not JUST old people who molest kids. You're making assumptions again.

generally and anyway im not saying no because of child security

[jayyy-lmao]

people could still have sex in there making it not very family friendly, and considering theres no reason for it other than 'why not' its not worth the risk. and btw generally its a 60+ year old man looking for under 10 vulnerable girls

People have sex in the loos anyway, get real, man.

[RebelHeart]

In my area, unisex restrooms get made to save space. 1 restroom instead of 2, but no difference in size. Therefor, the amound of people having to go to the restroom will all be put in one restroom, making the line only longer.

For the transgenders and kids, just let the others deal with it, let transgenders and kids go wherever they want to go. Just use a toilet in the restroom where other people can't see you if you're transgender, as long as they think you're male/female you're fine right? don't really know a lot about it.

Something that would definitly make me say no is how gross some men can be... I think I've seen about everything in the unisex toilets around here... Mostly all kinds of things that have exited the human body laying around in/around the toilets... Guess why I don't enter unisex restrooms anymore...

What would make me say yes are partially the elders who might need some assistence from their partner, and partially the "moral code" of society. We all say men and women are equal, so we wouldn't mind sharing restrooms, right?

I'd firstly look at the kind of building you're making. would unisex restrooms be helpful or would they suck?


about the rapists and stuff like that... Whould a man looking for young girls to rape/molest be like "oh no, that sign says only girl may enter, I can't enter this restroom! :( "?
after all, we all know entering the restroom made for the other sex end in being cursed to suffer a very slow and painful death... *sarcasm*

[britishboy]

People have sex in the loos anyway, get real, man.

why do you want them so much? its highly inappropriate and cheap.

[jayyy-lmao]

why do you want them so much? Its highly inappropriate and cheap.

because i am a girl who is bloody sick of waiting a millenium for a loo.

[britishboy]

because i am a girl who is bloody sick of waiting a millenium for a loo.

okay? ill give you some maths

lets say

2m2= 1 toilet

male restrooms= 20m2= 20 males served

female restrooms= 20m2= 20 females served

male and female changing rooms will be then 40m2= 40 people served

this will do nothing to demand as more people are using them, bigger restrooms will be needed, and there is nothing stopping normal restrooms from being expanded

[RoseyCadaver]

generally and anyway im not saying no because of child security

I love how you know these facts at random.

Most parents accompany their child/children to the restroom, and even if they didn't, there are still people who might go for children or teens of their own sex. What else are we going to do, separate it by age?

[britishboy]

I love how you know these facts at random.

Most parents accompany their child/children to the restroom, and even if they didn't, there are still people who might go for children or teens of their own sex. What else are we going to do, separate it by age?

I got it off a website and they wasnt separated for security, its because its highly inappropriate for males and females to use the same restrooms, I know your transgendered so you wont see it that way, but thats how it is.

[RoseyCadaver]

I got it off a website and they wasnt separated for security, its because its highly inappropriate for males and females to use the same restrooms, I know your transgendered so you wont see it that way, but thats how it is.

To get this straight(lol) I'm trans in the senses that I don't feel necessarily a male, or necessarily female. However, I did grow up most of my life as a "boy".

Even as a child I saw it silly to divide boys and girls, what was the big difference anyways? I saw us as the same. I especially didn't understand, and still don't understand individual bathrooms that are gendered.

On what grounds is it inappropriate? Is it appropriate because we say it is, or because it makes you uncomfortable?

[britishboy]

To get this straight(lol) I'm trans in the senses that I don't feel necessarily a male, or necessarily female. However, I did grow up most of my life as a "boy".

Even as a child I saw it silly to divide boys and girls, what was the big difference anyways? I saw us as the same. I especially didn't understand, and still don't understand individual bathrooms that are gendered.

On what grounds is it inappropriate? Is it appropriate because we say it is, or because it makes you uncomfortable?

1) you recognize yourself either male or female so wont understand
2) it just is inappropriate, its just how things are

[RoseyCadaver]

1) you recognize yourself either male or female so wont understand
2) it just is inappropriate, its just how things are

I do understand the situation because I grew up having to be a guy and still live in the world being perceived as a male. I know lots of people who are cisgender(what you'd call a "normal" guy or gal) who would be ok with unisex bathrooms.

It's not inappropriate, you just have different genitalia than the person, so you find it inappropriate.

It's almost like the whole thing with women going shirtless, it's only inappropriate because you find it to be inappropriate, but anywhere else no one would bat an eye lash at a man going shirtless.

[FrostWraith]

I do understand the situation because I grew up having to be a guy and still live in the world being perceived as a male. I know lots of people who are cisgender(what you'd call a "normal" guy or gal) who would be ok with unisex bathrooms.

It's not inappropriate, you just have different genitalia than the person, so you find it inappropriate.

It's almost like the whole thing with women going shirtless, it's only inappropriate because you find it to be inappropriate, but anywhere else no one would bat an eye lash at a man going shirtless.

It is inappropriate only because it is considered by the vast majority of society to be inappropriate; however, this reason is enough to keep the status quo. If society is against it, then it shouldn't happen, end of discussion.

[Sugaree]

It is inappropriate only because it is considered by the vast majority of society to be inappropriate; however, this reason is enough to keep the status quo. If society is against it, then it shouldn't happen, end of discussion.

There's been a lot of cases where society has been against something and it turns out to happen. Segregation was supported by much of American society in the 20th century, yet it was gotten rid of. So was slavery, prohibition of alcohol, and it will only continue. Just because society has deemed something inappropriate/appropriate doesn't always mean it will always stay that way.

[Gigablue]

2) it just is inappropriate, its just how things are

You can't just declare that something is inappropriate without giving a reason. You always need to give logical reasons in a debate or your opinions have absolutely no merit.

[britishboy]

You can't just declare that something is inappropriate without giving a reason. You always need to give logical reasons in a debate or your opinions have absolutely no merit.

okayyy women and men will not and do not feel comfortable around eachother at times of getting changed or using the restrooms! there is no bonus for them? and its extremely inappropriate and security is a threat

[Harry Smith]

okayyy women and men will not and do not feel comfortable around eachother at times of getting changed or using the restrooms! there is no bonus for them? and its extremely inappropriate and security is a threat

How is security a threat? I don't feel uncomfortable around women when I'm getting changed one bit

[britishboy]

How is security a threat? I don't feel uncomfortable around women when I'm getting changed one bit

firstly it will become a place where everyone will have sex, not family friendly also rapists could be in there knowing that women will be walking into a place that is out if sight and out of mind

[Seth.]

I've been around naturist environments way too much to be bothered in the least by unisex restrooms.

[Harry Smith]

firstly it will become a place where everyone will have sex, not family friendly also rapists could be in there knowing that women will be walking into a place that is out if sight and out of mind

How? By your theory how come male rest rooms aren't a place for gay people to have sex?

A rapist could simply walk into a women's changing room, a rapist could wait for a women to walk down a path, a rapist could climb in through the window. You need to think before you post

[britishboy]

How? By your theory how come male rest rooms aren't a place for gay people to have sex?

A rapist could simply walk into a women's changing room, a rapist could wait for a women to walk down a path, a rapist could climb in through the window. You need to think before you post

I stick to what I say, straight couples are a lot more common than gay ones and yes rapists do do that, but it will be easier for them in unisex restrooms, and when theres no good reason for unisex restrooms why risk it?

[Stronk Serb]

I stick to what I say, straight couples are a lot more common than gay ones and yes rapists do do that, but it will be easier for them in unisex restrooms, and when theres no good reason for unisex restrooms why risk it?

There might be other people since the restroom is unisex. And what is stopping a rapist from going to the female restroom? A sign? No. And people don't have sex in the restroom hallway, they do it in the stalls, when there is no one around, or if it's a night club where all the noise they make can't be heard from the music. And they don't have sex all the time in the restrooms.

[britishboy]

There might be other people since the restroom is unisex. And what is stopping a rapist from going to the female restroom? A sign? No. And people don't have sex in the restroom hallway, they do it in the stalls, when there is no one around, or if it's a night club where all the noise they make can't be heard from the music. And they don't have sex all the time in the restrooms.

maybe security isnt the issue, I just dont feel anyone would be comfortable sharing restrooms with the opposite gender, society wont accept it

[Luminous]

I would support this. However I do think urinals should be installed in women's bathrooms, those pee things are awesome, and as you said, urinals are more efficient. Yes, it's $20 for a piece of plastic, but so much money is saved on water as well.
If not a unisex bathroom for everyone, a bathroom specifically for: non-gender or gender fluid people, who are not specifically a gender; transgender people who do not feel comfortable in the bathroom of the gender they have started living their life as, and are not comfortable in the birth gender's bathroom either; as well as anyone else that is uncomfortable in their gender-specific bathroom.
I am seeing some arguments floating around this threat that it would be inappropriate, because of different genitalia- would that be because of society's 'norm'? That a women is automatically attracted to a man, and vice versa? What about the gay man in the bathroom with other men, wouldn't that be inappropriate too?
Just a thought.

[Harry Smith]

maybe security isnt the issue, I just dont feel anyone would be comfortable sharing restrooms with the opposite gender, society wont accept it

I thought you said you stick by security? You change your mind every day.

Your argument was the extact one used by Southerns who wanted to have separate bathrooms for blacks and whites.

Also you said ' I don't feel anyone would be comfortable' I would, your statement is wrong

[britishboy]

I thought you said you stick by security? You change your mind every day.

Your argument was the extact one used by Southerns who wanted to have separate bathrooms for blacks and whites.

Also you said ' I don't feel anyone would be comfortable' I would, your statement is wrong
I just like things the way they are to be honest, trani's can use disabled toilets, urinals can be fitted in female toilets

[Harry Smith]

I just like things the way they are to be honest, trani's can use disabled toilets, urinals can be fitted in female toilets

Trani's? Isn't that PC.

Uhm you do know they're not disabled right, that comment is pretty bad from someone who claims to support LGBT rights

[britishboy]

Trani's? Isn't that PC.

Uhm you do know they're not disabled right, that comment is pretty bad from someone who claims to support LGBT rights

oh your annoying, disabled toilets are normally free and those who are transgendered are few in number, they can use them, change the sign though

[Harry Smith]

oh your annoying, disabled toilets are normally free and those who are transgendered are few in number, they can use them, change the sign though

But you said that trans people are disabled... that's just wrong.

[britishboy]

But you said that trans people are disabled... that's just wrong.

no I said ' trani's can use disabled toilets', thats my exact words I copied and pasted it

[Walter Powers]

But you said that trans people are disabled... that's just wrong.

Come on Harry, not everybody who disagrees with you politically hates minorities, despite what you might think!

[Harry Smith]

no I said ' trani's can use disabled toilets', thats my exact words I copied and pasted it

Come on Harry, not everybody who disagrees with you politically hates minorities, despite what you might think!

But why should they use a disabled toilet when they are in fact able?

[britishboy]

But why should they use a disabled toilet when they are in fact able?

the name means nothing, its a hardly used toilet that people who feel uncomfortable in either male or female can use

[Harry Smith]

the name means nothing, its a hardly used toilet that people who feel uncomfortable in either male or female can use

The name means everything, do you think trans people are disabled? I hope not

[britishboy]

The name means everything, do you think trans people are disabled? I hope not

you talking about something you know I didnt imply, change the name then its the unused restroom im talking about

[Walter Powers]

The name means everything, do you think trans people are disabled? I hope not

I'll use the disabled toilet anyday if the regular restroom is too busy. (assuming noone disabled needs it).I don't find it demeaning. Your obsessing over a tiny issue.

[Stronk Serb]

maybe security isnt the issue, I just dont feel anyone would be comfortable sharing restrooms with the opposite gender, society wont accept it

Homosexuality wasn't accepted 50 years ago, and look at it now, gay rights are becoming accepted. Same will go with this. People will not approve, but when nature calls, you can't go home to pee all the time.

[britishboy]

Homosexuality wasn't accepted 50 years ago, and look at it now, gay rights are becoming accepted. Same will go with this. People will not approve, but when nature calls, you can't go home to pee all the time.

I just dont see why? there's no current problem? why create a potential problem?

[chrisawesome]

Just so you know, girls can pee standing up, and could totally use a urinal, it's messy but that problem is eliminated with urination device. How would you know? Your not female!

Yes, I know girls can pee standing up, but To be honest, a girl using a urinal would be kind of weird for a guy to see! Its just that most guys are proud to have dicks because of many reasons, such as being the only ones who can whip it out, aim on something, and shake it off; in a private convenient area! Also, how are you going to shake the piss droplets off? You don't have a snake in your pants like I do LOL!! --If you ask a random guy if it would make him feel less of a man if a girl walked up to the urinal right next to him and started peeing, I'd feel kind of weird!! I don't mean to offend you, but as a guy, that's how I feel!

[Jasperf]

What about for male gymnophobics, that's being discriminative

[tovaris]

never heard of the idea
but dont realy see howit would be good since woman alvais make a line and there is no line at the ,ans restroom :)

[CosmicNoodle]

Yeo, works in theory but you try taking a wiz whilst there is a woman watching you, not weird at all when a man is in the room because that is normal but it would be awkward for me to pee whils here is a rndom woman standing next to me, i aurpose this would work boh ways

[freakyindiangurl]

In theory this is a good idea on saving room. but in reality it's faster for a girl to use a toilet then a urinal and you don't have to mess around using some funnel plus I don't want to carry around a piece of plastic in my bag that I keep peeing into even if I do wash it afterwards. It is also socially acceptable for parents to take their kids of either gender into the parents gender bathroom so I really don't see the whole need of making a separate family bathroom I think that space could be better suited to make a bathroom for the disabled.

[britishboy]

In theory this is a good idea on saving room. but in reality it's faster for a girl to use a toilet then a urinal and you don't have to mess around using some funnel plus I don't want to carry around a piece of plastic in my bag that I keep peeing into even if I do wash it afterwards. It is also socially acceptable for parents to take their kids of either gender into the parents gender bathroom so I really don't see the whole need of making a separate family bathroom I think that space could be better suited to make a bathroom for the disabled.

finally someone agrees with me!:P

[RoseyCadaver]

I just like things the way they are to be honest, trani's can use disabled toilets, urinals can be fitted in female toilets


no I said ' trani's can use disabled toilets', thats my exact words I copied and pasted it

I think you meant to spell tranny, which is a derogative hate slur towards trans people.

Please use the word transgender people.

[Plasma]

This would just give people another reason to yell rape in my opinion

[RoseyCadaver]

This would just give people another reason to yell rape in my opinion

What do you mean yell rape?

[Yugen]

You have some very good opinions going on there, but personally I just wouldn't feel comfortable with it.

[Sir Suomi]

I have no problem with it, expect with the fact that there would be a larger line to use these restrooms, since instead of each gender going to it's own restroom, they now share one. This means more restrooms are needed to be built, which I personally think is a waste when our current system works out just fine.

[Trace]

Honestly, if someone's running a business and can't afford to build the necessary restrooms or pay the water bill, they shouldn't be running said business. Really, what's the issue about Unisex bathrooms? Is it really necessary because if you think about it, one bathroom doesn't solve the issue of 2 bathrooms where one's busy. It just adds to the probability of the ONLY bathroom around being completely full.

[Gen-Kun]

I do get some pleasure of seeing a girl/woman release a golden stream while standing.
I know that sounds weird, but hey, I'm a horny bastard, so sue me.
I won't mind unisex restrooms, as all restrooms are just toilets we use to release wastes from our bodies/excretory system.

[Trace]

I do get some pleasure of seeing a girl/woman release a golden stream while standing.

Don't take it personally, but this is exactly why I disagree with them.

[Gen-Kun]

Don't take it personally, but this is exactly why I disagree with them.
Why would I take that personally?
Can you go more in-depth into what you're going to say a bit? Just so I can know where you're coming from, as I might have an idea of where.

[Trace]

Why would I take that personally?
Can you go more in-depth into what you're going to say a bit? Just so I can know where you're coming from, as I might have an idea of where.

Some guy walks in a unisex restroom where a women is standing up while doing her business. He walks into the stall and starts wanking.

[Gen-Kun]

Some guy walks in a unisex restroom where a women is standing up while doing her business. He walks into the stall and starts wanking.
On that merit, I can see where you're coming from. There are perverts who do that. I only go to the restroom to get the waste that I have out of my system and that's it. I mean, if I see a girl pissing in the urinal, I'll just mind my own business and continue on. I know I said I find some pleasure in that, and I do find it hot, but I wouldn't wank off to it.

[Trace]

but I wouldn't wank off to it.

But some people would, which was my point.

[Gen-Kun]

But some people would, which was my point.
Yeah, you're right about that. I won't mind either way if unisex restrooms come to be or not, despite that I said that I would like to see them at one point in time.

[Zanman11]

I have trouble pissing in urinals with just guys around, girls would be a disaster!!

[Aajj333]

Once our children's children die people might get used to it and it would create a more efficient system. It sounds fun to me.

[Zelder]

Yes, I know girls can pee standing up, but To be honest, a girl using a urinal would be kind of weird for a guy to see! Its just that most guys are proud to have dicks because of many reasons, such as being the only ones who can whip it out, aim on something, and shake it off; in a private convenient area! Also, how are you going to shake the piss droplets off? You don't have a snake in your pants like I do LOL!! --If you ask a random guy if it would make him feel less of a man if a girl walked up to the urinal right next to him and started peeing, I'd feel kind of weird!! I don't mean to offend you, but as a guy, that's how I feel!

Your pride isn't a reason to not allow women to use urinals. Just because I don't have a snake in MY pants doesn't mean I can't lol!

As for shaking off the droplets of pee, hav you ever heard of toilet paper?

[randomnessqueen]

while i like the concept of unisex restrooms, the two are built differently
plus, many want privacy from the opposite sex at that time
in order for it to work it would have to be alongside still seperate ones, which seems too inconvenient for anyone to actually do

[trimm_tom]

no i think i have to vote against unisex