White people

[Allbutanillusion]

This is primarily directed to those members here that are Caucasian/White..,but anyone of any race can answer as it relates to the discussion. Thank you



My question is....,Do you think white people have been and are conditioned to feel guilty about being White... the white race. Think about it...., what do you usually hear/read mainstream media, social media and in the schools. "The white race is the embodiment of evil" or at least that is what the popular.. politically correct dogma that has been espoused upon societies/the world for at least the last ten years is. I am really getting tired of it( to put it politely)

What do you think? What are your opinions?




Yes, as most of you probably were able to deduce.., I am white... and PROUD of it !

[Troy35216]

I don't feel like I have been conditioned to feel guilty about being white. I don't feel like anyone has said I'm evil cuz i'm white. I have seen people trying to make racists feel guilty and say that racism is evil but that doesn't have anything to do with me being white cuz they never directed it at me. I've heard that about anti-muslim, anti-black, anti-white, anti-Jewish, anti-Mexican, anti-Arab and anti-Asian stuff. the guilt and evil tag was applied to words and actions not to being white. that's just my experience. if yours was different I'm sorry to hear it cuz that sounds just like the racism I was talking about. tbh my feeling is not so much "i am white and PROUD of it" it's more like "I am white but i don't really give it a lot of thot. I'm also brown-eyed and right handed and black-haired and don't give any of that a lot of thot either."

[Jevon]

I don't think whit people have been made to look guilty they have just done bad things...but many races have done bad things like that

[batwomr.smithshane]

I dont feel guilty. Im white and my family were slaves to the roman during alex the great. So fuck being guilty about slavery. Not to mention my fam didnt own slaves.

[Cygnus]

Its not like you can choose what race you will be, however I do not see any guilt or downside to ANY race (and I am white just so you know). In fact white people have been seen as "superior" through history, however skin colour in this age is something that shouldn't matter or make you feel anything.

[Sugaree]

This is primarily directed to those members here that are Caucasian/White..,



My question is....,Do you think white people have been and are conditioned to feel guilty about being White... the white race. Think about it...., what do you usually hear/read mainstream media, social media and in the schools. "The white race is the embodiment of evil" or at least that is what the popular.. politically correct dogma that has been espoused upon societies/the world for at least the last ten years is. I am really getting tired of it( to put it politely)

What do you think? What are your opinions?




Yes, as most of you probably were able to deduce.., I am white... and PROUD of it !

This is what I've been saying for the last three years. I'm tired of always being treated like a second class citizen by minorities. Yeah, the white race has done some bad shit; but all races have. Every race has some "embodiment of evil" complex to it, and I don't deny any of the white race's shortcomings. Are there some of us who ARE evil? Sure. But that doesn't make us all evil. Same goes for Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and every other race.

I wouldn't say I'm necessarily PROUD of being white. Being proud of your race, to me, is foolish.

[Allbutanillusion]

I guess perhaps I should clarify.... I wasn't speaking of individuals directly, but perhaps I should rephrase it and say that whites as a group or the white race being portrayed in the media as the worst ethnic group or race.

I realize in today's society, in which the norm is for people hold over inflated, deluded, narcissistic opinions of themselves, it takes a lot to offend someone.

Perhaps an analogy would be, you were a member of some sort of team, a basketball team, wrestling or a swim team or such... something which you really enjoyed and loved. And then one day that activity was fallaciously and maliciously portrayed as something for losers, weak minded, nonathletic idiots and was indoctrinated into society. The same for nonathletic activities and hobbies. That wouldn't bother you just a little?


I wouldn't say I'm necessarily PROUD of being white. Being proud of your race, to me, is foolish.

I agree, perhaps the term "PROUD" was a bit of an overstatement, but my intent was that you surely shouldn't be ashamed of being white.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[CharlieHorse]

I'm a person. Not white, not black, or yellow, or brown, or rainbow, or any other color. I am a person and that's all that counts.

[Walter Powers]

Well, I feel like that's the message the media is pushing.

What we need to do is stop seperatingg people into racial groups. I personally think that the census shouldn't ask for a race. That's a good way to combat racism.

[Troy35216]

Perhaps an analogy would be, you were a member of some sort of team, a basketball team, wrestling or a swim team or such... something which you really enjoyed and loved. And then one day that activity was fallaciously and maliciously portrayed as something for losers, weak minded, nonathletic idiots and was indoctrinated into society. The same for nonathletic activities and hobbies. That wouldn't bother you just a little?
hmmm well you try out for the basketball team and wrestling team and swim team and so on. I never tried out to be white. :P
Is being white something I enjoy and love? idk i guess. like i said before i never really give it a lot of thot. but the main point for me is I haven't been portrayed as a loser, weak minded, nonathletic idiot for being on this team. Maybe other people have but I haven't. I have seen weak minded, nonathletic, idiotic losers portrayed that way, but not because they were on the (white) team but because they are weak minded nonathletic idiotic losers. So yes, it would bother me more than just a little if i was portrayed that way for being on this particular team, but so far I have not been portrayed that way. maybe I'm just lucky. idk

[Blackhawknut1]

No matter what race we all started from the bottom and know where here. lol

[Adam17]

I do see it in the media. They act like we should be ashamed about what our ancestors did. I never owned slaves or tried to run the indians out of America so why would I be ashamed about that. I know that those things are wrong but I don't feel ashamed for it because I wasn't a part of it.

[britishboy]

I DON'T FEEL GUILTY AT ALL!!!! im proud of being white! why would I care? what have us white people ever done?

[Emerald Dream]

I DON'T FEEL GUILTY AT ALL!!!! im proud of being white! why would I care? what have us white people ever done?

Before this goes any further, please...let's not turn this into some sort of race bashing thread. It will be locked immediately if I see it.

[Rayquaza]

what have us white people ever done?

I'm going to stop you there before you start going on about other ethnicities and opening a massive can of worms like in other threads.

In other words, if someone feels they have done nothing wrong and what they do is accepted in society, such as being against racism or homophobia, they shouldn't feel the need to feel responsible. I mean sure, I've experienced racism from other ethnicities, even including on this site at one point, but I'm not going to hold that against the entire race because I don't generalise people to the colour of their skin; something they can't help when they're born.

[britishboy]

Before this goes any further, please...let's not turn this into some sort of race bashing thread. It will be locked immediately if I see it.

my point actually was is what other people do has nothing to do with me, Hitler was white, but so was the majority or the allies, thats my point

[Emerald Dream]

my point actually was is what other people do has nothing to do with me, Hitler was white, but so was the majority or the allies, thats my point

That has nothing to do with "What have white people ever done?" Like Sandeep said above, that question is opening up a whole can of worms...no matter what race is being talked about. Your question opens this thread up to race-bashing, and I am not going to have any of it.

[britishboy]

That has nothing to do with "What have white people ever done?" Like Sandeep said above, that question is opening up a whole can of worms...no matter what race is being talked about. Your question opens this thread up to race-bashing, and I am not going to have any of it.

my gf is Indian, please dont suggest im racist, it was not a serious question I tried to highlight the fact that race is irrelevant, what you do depends if your good or bad not your skin colour, if I was serious I would never have said that because phycos are white

[saea97]

I don't understand the concept of being "proud" to be white, or any race. It's a totally arbitrary circumstance of birth. I also don't feel guilty, for the same reason.

[StoppingTime]

because phycos are white

I dont know why people quickly connect race with crime. Yes it's true, in some countries some ethnicities/races have a higher statistic when it comes to crime, and law breaking. But to say, "oh well there's a higher chance he'll do something because he's X race" is stupid. It's a generalization that makes little sense, you'd think we'd be past that by now.

[teen.jpg]

I'm a person. Not white, not black, or yellow, or brown, or rainbow, or any other color. I am a person and that's all that counts.

This. But being rainbow doesn't sound that bad :lol:

[Harry Smith]

my gf is Indian, please dont suggest im racist, it was not a serious question I tried to highlight the fact that race is irrelevant, what you do depends if your good or bad not your skin colour, if I was serious I would never have said that because phycos are white

No one said you are racist, literally no-one.

The issue that I also think the OP was suggestign is that white people in the last 250 years have committed questionable acts, many questionable acts, so to highlight your original point white people have done a lot that isn't to be proud of

[comical]

My question is....,Do you think white people have been and are conditioned to feel guilty about being White... the white race. Think about it...., what do you usually hear/read mainstream media, social media and in the schools. "The white race is the embodiment of evil" or at least that is what the popular.. politically correct dogma that has been espoused upon societies/the world for at least the last ten years is. I am really getting tired of it( to put it politely)

What do you think? What are your opinions?


Even as a Black person, I don't think anyone should feel guilty about the actions of others. Yeah, sure. It's some cruel, racist and greedy white people. Just as there are the same type of Blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Native Americans, etc. I've never seen anyone blame the white race, it's usually "the White man". In most mainstream media, rap, poetry, literature, etc, "the White man" usually refers to White supremacy and/or large, greedy corporation making money off of everything.

See: Kanye West x All Falls Down
Drug dealer buy Jordans, crackhead buy crack
And a white man get paid off of all of that
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/All-Falls-Down-lyrics-Kanye-West/299FA2AAB70CB31848256E390008F312

Even a lot of older minorities, as well as lower-income White people I know will say "the White man always taking our money" or something like that.

[Harry Smith]

Even as a Black person, I don't think anyone should feel guilty about the actions of others. Yeah, sure. It's some cruel, racist and greedy white people. Just as there are the same type of Blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Native Americans, etc. I've never seen anyone blame the white race, it's usually "the White man". In most mainstream media, rap, poetry, literature, etc, "the White man" usually refers to White supremacy and/or large, greedy corporation making money off of everything.

See: Kanye West x All Falls Down

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/All-Falls-Down-lyrics-Kanye-West/299FA2AAB70CB31848256E390008F312

Even a lot of older minorities, as well as lower-income White people I know will say "the White man always taking our money" or something like that.

White man taking our money? So white people shouldn't enter business in order to please minorities? It's a pretty stupid saying

[comical]

White man taking our money? So white people shouldn't enter business in order to please minorities? It's a pretty stupid saying

Is that the only part of my text you read?
In most mainstream media, rap, poetry, literature, etc, "the White man" usually refers to White supremacy and/or large, greedy corporation making money off of everything.

[britishboy]

No one said you are racist, literally no-one.

The issue that I also think the OP was suggestign is that white people in the last 250 years have committed questionable acts, many questionable acts, so to highlight your original point white people have done a lot that isn't to be proud of

massacres have been commited by white men, but not me so im not guilty, thats my point, not all white people think the same

[Harry Smith]

massacres have been commited by white men, but not me so im not guilty, thats my point, not all white people think the same

Who said all white people think the same?

[britishboy]

Who said all white people think the same?

my point is, people whos saying white people done this and that is stupid because theres 3 billion of us

[Harry Smith]

my point is, people whos saying white people done this and that is stupid because theres 3 billion of us

No, who said all white people think the same ...no-one

what have us white people ever done?

A lot of bad

[britishboy]

No, who said all white people think the same ...no-one


theres a lot of people who hate you simply because of what others of the same skin tone have done

[Harry Smith]

theres a lot of people who hate you simply because of what others of the same skin tone have done

Does that justify me thinking that white people have never committed a crime?

[britishboy]

Does that justify me thinking that white people have never committed a crime?

its that sentence I hate! white or black is a skin tone! thats worse than saying the Spanish done that bad stuff

[Harry Smith]

its that sentence I hate! white or black is a skin tone! thats worse than saying the Spanish done that bad stuff

what have us white people ever done?

I believe you said that

[britishboy]

I believe you said that

yes....

[Harry Smith]

yes....

So you think that white people have done no harm in the last 200 years?

[britishboy]

So you think that white people have done no harm in the last 200 years?

people who have a white skin tone have yes, the skin tond is irrelevant

[comical]

people who have a white skin tone have yes, the skin tond is irrelevant

It is scientifically proven that races are not just skin tones, but are actual genetic differences. Some races are more prone to certain disease than another, some have toes that grow one way and some have bigger ears than the other. It's not just a skin tone.

[Gigablue]

It is scientifically proven that races are not just skin tones, but are actual genetic differences. Some races are more prone to certain disease than another, some have toes that grow one way and some have bigger ears than the other. It's not just a skin tone.

Scientifically, race doesn't even exist. It is really only a social construct. There are some genetic differences between what we would call different races, but those differences are dwarfed by the differences between any group.

Also, if you grouped people genetically, you would get a very different grouping. You would have many groups subdividing Africans, then one small group which includes a subset of Africans and all non-Africans. The genetic diversity in Africa dwarfs that of the rest of the world.

Possibly the most telling fact is that it would be very hard to place someone within a race given their genetics. You might be able to if they had some very specific genetic marker, but otherwise you couldn't.

In short, race doesn't really exist biologically. It is a social construct.

[Sugaree]

Even as a Black person, I don't think anyone should feel guilty about the actions of others. Yeah, sure. It's some cruel, racist and greedy white people. Just as there are the same type of Blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Native Americans, etc. I've never seen anyone blame the white race, it's usually "the White man". In most mainstream media, rap, poetry, literature, etc, "the White man" usually refers to White supremacy and/or large, greedy corporation making money off of everything.

And how do you think that makes us white males feel? If we aren't already being pressured by the liberal side of the media to feel guilty for what our race has done to others, we have to take bullshit like the above. The powers that be (in what you refer to as "the White man") have no race. They have no sexuality, no gender, no nothing. They are there because that's how it's always been. There is no race, because it will ALWAYS be "the man", not just "the WHITE man". Injecting race into it is only going to complicate matters.

Also, white supremacy has been dormant for decades. Why then, do you refer to it as if it still exists? Yeah, you can point to organizations like Stormfront all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a very VERY insignificant minority that not only believes in the discrimination of blacks, but of every human being who is not a heterosexual white male/female.

[Southside]

White man taking our money? So white people shouldn't enter business in order to please minorities? It's a pretty stupid saying

The "White man" has been raping Africa for its resources for decades.

[Troy35216]

jeepers. it's always interesting to me that a topic that is "what do you think about blah blah blah" never has posts of "i think yadda yadda" and "I think ABC" and "I think this and that" but always end up as "I think yadda yadda" "What? that is WRONG! here is what is right: blah blah" "no, YOU are wrong! yadda yadda" "When did I say yiddy biddy? Blah blah!" "I never said you said biddy diddy. you are so dumb"

yikes! :D

[Lovelife090994]

People come in all colors and no person is responsible for a race's shortcomings in history. Me being a young African-American male I know that there are some that do not like that about me but hey, c'est ma vie! Racist or not, we all are born into a race, no need hiding that fact, race does exists, we are all unique, that is true. I feel no one should feel guilty or disturbed by race, it is primitive and idiotic to be racist.

One thing I can't get is why has the white race in history had so many down sides and acts of viciousness? No one is perfect, but why? Why did some feel whites were better? Why do so many people get offended by whites and other races than their own? And why do some whites and others feel privilaged by skin? I never understood this.

[comical]

One thing I can't get is why has the white race in history had so many down sides and acts of viciousness? No one is perfect, but why? Why did some feel whites were better? Why do so many people get offended by whites and other races than their own? And why do some whites and others feel privilaged by skin? I never understood this.

Europeans were very technologically advanced compared to the rest of the world, and once they began exploring, they used their technology to their advantage. So that's why they thought they were better.

And how do you think that makes us white males feel? If we aren't already being pressured by the liberal side of the media to feel guilty for what our race has done to others, we have to take bullshit like the above. The powers that be (in what you refer to as "the White man") have no race. They have no sexuality, no gender, no nothing. They are there because that's how it's always been. There is no race, because it will ALWAYS be "the man", not just "the WHITE man". Injecting race into it is only going to complicate matters.

Also, white supremacy has been dormant for decades. Why then, do you refer to it as if it still exists? Yeah, you can point to organizations like Stormfront all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a very VERY insignificant minority that not only believes in the discrimination of blacks, but of every human being who is not a heterosexual white male/female.

White Supremacy still exists today on a major scale, too. Look at the American government lol. Biggest White supremacists there are.


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[Sara97]

I think rather its the media's way of ensuring that other races are equivalent. In American society at least, bring white has equaled supremacy up until the last decade or so honestly. I think the media's attempt to give equal representation to African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians has kind of in turn made it almost too 'squeaky clean' to be white....I definitely know where you're coming from with this question.

[Sugaree]

White Supremacy still exists today on a major scale, too. Look at the American government lol. Biggest White supremacists there are.

Now you're just bullshitting. Until I see the government run by ONLY white people who call for the eradication of every single non-white race, then maybe we'll talk about how white supremacy runs the government. Jesus Christ, keep blaming something you obviously know nothing about.

[comical]

Now you're just bullshitting. Until I see the government run by ONLY white people who call for the eradication of every single non-white race, then maybe we'll talk about how white supremacy runs the government. Jesus Christ, keep blaming something you obviously know nothing about.

And I'll continue to, because I wouldn't comment on it if I didn't know anything on the matter.

America was founded on White Supremacy for White men and we use the same foundations laid out in the 1770s right now in 2013. Our constitution was composed by a group of men, all white, and 15 of them were African slave owners. Our entire political structure was created by White men, for White men.

Why do Blacks and Hispanics populate 58% of our prisons but only make up close to 25% of this country?

Why did it take over 200 years for us to get a Black president? Why were minorities treated as lower people up until the 1970s?

In non-Stand Your Ground states, whites are 250 percent more likely to be found justified in killing a black person than a white person who kills another white person; in Stand Your Ground states, that number jumps to 354 percent.
see: http://t.co/96K0f9ttFr

Yeah... no White supremacy here.

[britishboy]

And I'll continue to, because I wouldn't comment on it if I didn't know anything on the matter.

America was founded on White Supremacy for White men and we use the same foundations laid out in the 1770s right now in 2013. Our constitution was composed by a group of men, all white, and 15 of them were African slave owners. Our entire political structure was created by White men, for White men.

Why did it take over 200 years for us to get a Black president? Why were minorities treated as lower people up until the 1970s?


1) yes that was 200 years ago, in britian women couldn't vote then, were talking about the modern day grow up
2)because you was very very racist but the fact that you led by a black guy completely ruins you pathetic argument

[comical]

1) yes that was 200 years ago, in britian women couldn't vote then, were talking about the modern day grow up
2)because you was very very racist but the fact that you led by a black guy completely ruins you pathetic argument

I never talk about a person's grammar because I know mine is not always the best, but I can barely understand your second "point".

Yes America was founded 200 years ago, but we use the same government structures as we did then today.

I was very racist, or America was very racist? And just because we have a Black man in office(if that's what you're trying to say) doesn't mean a thing. In my opinion, it helped White supremacy even more lol. It gave everyone the idea that we're all finally equal, and blinded even more Black folk.

[britishboy]

I never talk about a person's grammar because I know mine is not always the best, but I can barely understand your second "point".

Yes America was founded 200 years ago, but we use the same government structures as we did then today.

I was very racist, or America was very racist? And just because we have a Black man in office(if that's what you're trying to say) doesn't mean a thing. In my opinion, it helped White supremacy even more lol. It gave everyone the idea that we're all finally equal, and blinded even more Black folk.

britian was founded on sexism, extreme religion and leaders that are extremely rich where 99% of people cant eat! our structure is still the same! and im confused... the highest authority in your country is black! please show me where the white supremacy is?!

[comical]

britian was founded on sexism, extreme religion and leaders that are extremely rich where 99% of people cant eat! our structure is still the same! and im confused... the highest authority in your country is black! please show me where the white supremacy is?!

Just because his title is President doesn't mean a thing. Firstly, almost all of his power goes through Congress, which is only 7% Black and 4% Hispanic. Secondly, it's not like he can just go there and change everything with a click of a button.

[britishboy]

Just because his title is President doesn't mean a thing. Firstly, almost all of his power goes through Congress, which is only 7% Black and 4% Hispanic. Secondly, it's not like he can just go there and change everything with a click of a button.

well of course, most americans are white so most on tv would be white, most at thr bank will be white and most in government will be white the fact that america is happy with a black president shows the masses is not racist

[comical]

well of course, most americans are white so most on tv would be white, most at thr bank will be white and most in government will be white the fact that america is happy with a black president shows the masses is not racist
Whooooo said America was happy? Lol, come across waters and see for yourself.

[Kameraden]

Races should keep to themselves when it comes to mixing genepools, in my opinion.

[Southside]

britian was founded on sexism, extreme religion and leaders that are extremely rich where 99% of people cant eat! our structure is still the same! and im confused... the highest authority in your country is black! please show me where the white supremacy is?!

Just because we have a Black president white supremacy and racism doesnt exist? Thats equal to saying just because the Civil Rights Act got passed, people stopped being racist.

A lot of people in America arent that happy with thing like being spied on by the government in the name of "counterterrorism". Just because you see America as some fairyland where everything is perfect doesnt mean everyone who actually lives in it shares the same view.

Races should keep to themselves when it comes to mixing genepools, in my opinion.

So your against interracial relationships? I'd be wrong in your opinion as a Puerto Rican to marry a White or Asian girl?

Just because we have a Black president white supremacy and racism doesnt exist? Thats equal to saying just because the Civil Rights Act got passed, people stopped being racist.

A lot of people in America arent that happy with thing like being spied on by the government in the name of "counterterrorism". Just because you see America as some fairyland where everything is perfect doesnt mean everyone who actually lives in it shares the same view.


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[Kameraden]

So your against interracial relationships? I'd be wrong in your opinion as a Puerto Rican to marry a White or Asian girl?

Yes, I am. I think that races should focus on themselves and strengthen their own gene pool rather than taking a step back by mixing with another race.

[Southside]

Yes, I am. I think that races should focus on themselves and strengthen their own gene pool rather than taking a step back by mixing with another race.

Last time I checked we were all Humans..You make it sound like every different race is its own species or something. How is it taking a step back? I think your a step back by living in the past..

[Kameraden]

Last time I checked we were all Humans..You make it sound like every different race is its own species or something.

We are different species, just the same genus. People think it's racist to think of it that way, when it's really the truth.

[Harry Smith]

We are different species, just the same genus. People think it's racist to think of it that way, when it's really the truth.

It's racist to assume that white people should only be with white people.

Homo sampien is our species, no matter if your black, white, brown your still under the species of homo sapien

[Kameraden]

It's racist to assume that white people should only be with white people.

Homo sampien is our species, no matter if your black, white, brown your still under the species of homo sapien

I messed up in my biology. Black, white, Asian, et cetera are sub-species belonging to the H. Sap. species, which is in the Homo genus.

[Southside]

We are different species, just the same genus. People think it's racist to think of it that way, when it's really the truth.

So I'm not consider the same species as a White Person or Asian?

[Kameraden]

So I'm not consider the same species as a White Person or Asian?

You're a different sub-species.

[Emerald Dream]

Back on topic please. I don't really like where this has been going.

[britishboy]

you're a different sub-species.

its a skin tone!

[Stronk Serb]

I am not guilty. I haven't done anything bad against anyone.

[Allbutanillusion]

First, thank you for your opinions, however I think most of you exhibited the narcissist attributes which I alluded to in an earlier post, as surprising as it may seem, something does not have to be directly about you(or happen to you), for you to feel offended by it.

As for what I was referring to in the media, I have two perfect examples of the double standard that seems to be prevalent in society today.

The first is the Paula Deen scandal, if you are not familiar with it, she said a derogatory term 30 years ago about a black person, a simple internet search in the search engine of your choice will help you find more details about the story.
Anyhow she was vilified for at least a month, the fallout for her was bad, for something she said thirty years ago. Just utterly craziness if you ask me...., all because she was White


And yet when a predominately Hispanic Elementay school PTA (this happened in my state, by the way) decides to have a "White Trash Wednesday," barbeque ( by the way white trash is a derogatory statement, for those of you who don't know) no one blinks an eye, no concerns are raised, no nationwide outcry..., it is barely mentioned in the news, the Hispanic lady that suggested the idea and oversaw its implementation was not fired, as would be the case if it was a white person, suggestion something that might be derogatory to another race in a similar situation. Just more crazy double standards when it comes to race and how the court of public opinion is.

[Ruairi]

We're all people with different exteriors but are relatively the same on the inside :)

[comical]

And yet when a predominately Hispanic Elementay school PTA (this happened in my state, by the way) decides to have a "White Trash Wednesday," barbeque ( by the way white trash is a derogatory statement, for those of you who don't know) no one blinks an eye, no concerns are raised, no nationwide outcry..., it is barely mentioned in the news, the Hispanic lady that suggested the idea and oversaw its implementation was not fired, as would be the case if it was a white person, suggestion something that might be derogatory to another race in a similar situation. Just more crazy double standards when it comes to race and how the court of public opinion is.

Why didn't anyone in your local area push for her to be fired, or for this to receive some attention? Sounds like you all let that slide yourselves.

The first is the Paula Deen scandal, if you are not familiar with it, she said a derogatory term 30 years ago about a black person, a simple internet search in the search engine of your choice will help you find more details about the story.
Anyhow she was vilified for at least a month, the fallout for her was bad, for something she said thirty years ago. Just utterly craziness if you ask me...., all because she was White

I'd also like to point out that it was mostly white journalists and news anchors that did most of the villainization of Paula Deen during this. Also, most people weren't even mad about her saying the n-word. Did you hear about her wanting to dress Black people up as slaves and have a Plantation-themed wedding party? That's what people were mad about. Most Black people even turned the negative situation into a humorous manner, with the Twitter hashtag #PaulasBestDishes (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23PaulasBestDishes&src=hash). Don't nobody care about Paula Deen, y'all. Especially if she don't care about herself with all that butter.

[thatcountrykid]

Yes actually i do. People adsume that just because i dont like a black person its because theyre black. I dont care if your black white green or purple. I guess my point is that people make me feel i like i should apoligize the black race for slavery.

[LouBerry]

I don't feel bad. I have never done anything racist to anyone. Black, Asian, Hispanic, Irish, I don't care. People are people. It sucks that my great great grandfather might have said the word "nigger" a lot and make jokes about black people, but I didn't. I didn't do anything to them, so no, I do not feel bad for being white.

[Camazotz]

I don't feel guilty for injustices that were not caused by me, or for injustices before my time.

[Walter Powers]

I don't see any reason why whites should feel guilty, seems to me we've done more to stop slavery then any other race.

[tovaris]

No. No local media acts that way.

[Seth.]

Doesn't it depend on what white people you're talking about? I think what's being talked about are mainly American and British white people. I don't think this applies to white people living in Greenland for instance or other countries inhabited by caucasians who didn't deal in slave trade and aren't a major power in the world. What about Canada? That's a big western country filled with white people, does the same go for white Canadians as it does for white Americans?

[Allbutanillusion]

. I'm tired of always being treated like a second class citizen by minorities

I haven't visited this subject for awhile, but reading through the comments, this is one that stands out. I would agree immigrants, illegal immigrants come to this country(the united states) thinking that we owe them something or that they or entitled to a 10, 000 sq foot mansion and five expensive cars. That we(white people/national born American citizens) are their servants.

I say NO to that! Not a chance... only of you work hard , pay your dues, pay into the system and contribute in a positive way. If you commit crimes or try to exploit the kindness and opportunities of the American people/society the the only thing that immigrants deserve is deportation.

Sorry, that is a little off topic, but that is my little rant.

[Yolo98]

Im white and were just wired to be power hungry and sometimes evil. There's nothing we can do about it , so we shouldn't feel guilty about it.

[StoppingTime]

Im white and I was just wired to be power hungry and sometimes evil. There's nothing I can do about it , so I shouldn't feel guilty about it.

Fixed your post - don't speak for other people, especially when what you're saying is senseless

[DerBear]

I agree with Steven I'd suggest you don't generalize a race as within history that has always proven to be wrong only cause problems in the long term.

[Yolo98]

Im British...what our ancestors did during the empire could be described as shocking. That's where i get my generalised view from. The majority of our white population accepted the slave trade and other acts of a similar nature

[StoppingTime]

Im British...what our ancestors did during the empire could be described as shocking. That's where i get my generalised view from. The majority of our white population accepted the slave trade and other acts of a similar nature

That has absolutely less than nothing to do with the modern white population. You can't make any rational generalization (if such a thing exists) on part events.

It's like saying all modern day Germans hate Jews because of the Holocaust.

[Yolo98]

I m just evaluating history...(All) not just white populations behave with much more dignity and humanity now in the 21st century,im just saying we screwed up the most in the past

[Trenton_]

I don't feel like I have been conditioned to feel guilty about being white. I don't feel like anyone has said I'm evil cuz i'm white. I have seen people trying to make racists feel guilty and say that racism is evil but that doesn't have anything to do with me being white cuz they never directed it at me. I've heard that about anti-muslim, anti-black, anti-white, anti-Jewish, anti-Mexican, anti-Arab and anti-Asian stuff. the guilt and evil tag was applied to words and actions not to being white. that's just my experience. if yours was different I'm sorry to hear it cuz that sounds just like the racism I was talking about. tbh my feeling is so much "i am white and PROUD of it" it's more like "I am white but i don't really give it a lot of thot. I'm also brown-eyed and right handed and black-haired and don't give any of that a lot of thot either."

First, thank you for your opinions, however I think most of you exhibited the narcissist attributes which I alluded to in an earlier post, as surprising as it may seem, something does not have to be directly about you(or happen to you), for you to feel offended by it.

As for what I was referring to in the media, I have two perfect examples of the double standard that seems to be prevalent in society today.

The first is the Paula Deen scandal, if you are not familiar with it, she said a derogatory term 30 years ago about a black person, a simple internet search in the search engine of your choice will help you find more details about the story.
Anyhow she was vilified for at least a month, the fallout for her was bad, for something she said thirty years ago. Just utterly craziness if you ask me...., all because she was White


And yet when a predominately Hispanic Elementay school PTA (this happened in my state, by the way) decides to have a "White Trash Wednesday," barbeque ( by the way white trash is a derogatory statement, for those of you who don't know) no one blinks an eye, no concerns are raised, no nationwide outcry..., it is barely mentioned in the news, the Hispanic lady that suggested the idea and oversaw its implementation was not fired, as would be the case if it was a white person, suggestion something that might be derogatory to another race in a similar situation. Just more crazy double standards when it comes to race and how the court of public opinion is.

I m just evaluating history...(All) not just white populations behave with much more dignity and humanity now in the 21st century,im just saying we screwed up the most in the past

screwed up? how? by inventing so many different things?

[Troy35216]

screwed up? how? by inventing so many different things?
oops. i left out the word "not" in my post which totally messes up the meaning of what I was saying. I'll go back and put that in.

[comical]

I don't see any reason why whites should feel guilty, seems to me we've done more to stop slavery then any other race.


I don't see any reason why whites should feel guilty either, but how is any other race supposed to stop slavery?

[Yugen]

I've never really observed the colour of anyone's skin, not even my own. Why should it matter? We're all people on the inside.

[chrisf55]

I can't say I have ever felt guilty for being white, and other people shouldn't either. I won't deny that there are double standards against whites like racism that are unfair. Such as a Black person being able to call us crackers, nothing happens, but if a white guy says the n word, he can face fines and jail time. Anyways, that's really the only thing that could possibly make me feel guilty.

[comical]

Such as a Black person being able to call us crackers, nothing happens, but if a white guy says the n word, he can face fines and jail time. Anyways, that's really the only thing that could possibly make me feel guilty.

That all depends on the person and the place. In both instances the guilty party can face fines and jail time. If the person who got called the offensive name doesn't press charges or anything, duh won't anything happens.

There's no double standard, it's just people let things get by. Pop culture has de-villainized the N word, and it's being used by everyone now. White people say it, Black people say it, it seems like everyone says it. It's sad but, that's the way the world is.

[Allbutanillusion]

There's no double standard, it's just people let things get by.

Actually there is a double standard, it is that society tend to turn a blind eye when Caucasians are the victims.. for some odd reason.. Let me educate you.

This is reinforced by a case in Georgia in which four African-American teenagers beat a 36-year-old white man as he emerged from a gas station convenience store. While trying to escape, the man stumbled into the middle lane of a highway where he was struck by a car and killed. The Marietta Daily Journal reported that the four are charged with felony murder, aggravated assault and violation of the Georgia Street Gang Act. The incident occurred roughly three weeks ago, but there has been no national media coverage.


Again..., Just hours after the verdict was delivered on the George Zimmerman trial, two marines were brutally attacked by a large group (15-20) African American males in San Bernardino, California as they were sitting on their porch. One of the victims escaped with just a head wound (inflicted by a tire iron), while the other was stabbed in the chest.

A mutual friend of the two marines (who happened to be black) was mysteriously left untouched. And again...., none of the local news affiliates or national news have reported on the attack. Hmmmm.... no double standards, huh?

Or even when it is not related to crime..

I went with my family to a nearby amusement park, I noticed several t-shirts worn by park patrons that made me think about a racial double standard that exists in this country. Some of the t-shirts read as follows: "Black is Beautiful;" "The Blacker the College, the Sweeter the Knowledge;" "It's a Black Thang;" and "Blacks do it Better." I understand pride in one's race and heritage, and generally have no problem with expressions of that respect. But , I couldn't help but wonder what the reaction would have been if the t-shirts had read "White is Beautiful;" "The Whiter the College, the Sweeter the Knowledge;" "It's a White Thing;" or "Whites do it Better."

While I can't say with certainty what the response from most people would have been, I can hazard a guess. I suspect that the wearers of the shirts would have been labeled racists, and that they may have even been barred entry to the park. I say that confidently because a double standard does in fact exist in America when the discussion centers on race.

Other examples from American life are readily available. "Support Black Businesses" is a theme often echoed by the African-American community. What if someone said "Support White Businesses?" Would they be labeled as racist? What about the United Negro College Fund? Would a United White College Fund escape scrutiny for discrimination or racism? What if the NBA was required to implement an affirmative action plan to help white players? Would there be an uproar from the citizenry?

We cannot demand racial equality or a colorblind society while holding different races to non-equal standards. The only way to fix the racial divide in this country is to treat everyone equally. It must go both ways. Otherwise the Al Sharptons (and others), of the world will continue to use race as a means for emphasizing our differences rather than working toward expanding our commonalities

[Walter Powers]

I don't see any reason why whites should feel guilty either, but how is any other race supposed to stop slavery?

Uh, the same way we did?

[Kameraden]

Blacks enslaved each other. Whites enslaved each other. Asians enslaved each other. Native Americans and American civilizations enslaved each other. Does it matter if slavery breaks the race boundary?

[irishmaniac2000]

Noone is equal. I'm sorry to tell you. The thought process varies between races. sorry to tell you that too. Different people are better at different things. congratulations, please continue ranting

[purrincess]

Firstly let me start off by saying that this is a very touchy subject for a lot of people and all of the times I ever give an opinion on this subject it normally results in my Tumblr ask box being filled to the brim with hateful messages.

But I don't feel that white people should feel guilty. We weren't even alive, we had no control whatsoever over what happened so why on earth should we feel guilty for doing something that we didn't do. Of course, it's shameful and an awful reputation that white people as a whole have but people need to realize that times have changed and not everyone is racist any more. Looking back over history, basically EVERYTHING they did was completely absurd and no one in the right mind would even dream of repeating their actions in this day and age. A lot of people ( I obviously cannot speak for all of us here) have come to realize that we're actually equal. We've become more educated and learned that our skin colour doesn't define us. Honestly, I may as well be colour blind when it comes to the colour of a person. I couldn't care less because everyone is just a person. We need to realize that yes, the actions of white people in the past were horrible but we should learn from this rather than use it as yet another excuse to cause a massive argument.

[comical]

Uh, the same way we did?

I'm not sure if we're talking about American slavery, or slavery in general because it wasn't clear, but...

A Black man or Native American was just supposed to become POTUS and sign an emancipation bill? I wonder how that would happen....

[comical]

Actually there is a double standard, it is that society tend to turn a blind eye when Caucasians are the victims.. for some odd reason.. Let me educate you.

This is reinforced by a case in Georgia in which four African-American teenagers beat a 36-year-old white man as he emerged from a gas station convenience store. While trying to escape, the man stumbled into the middle lane of a highway where he was struck by a car and killed. The Marietta Daily Journal reported that the four are charged with felony murder, aggravated assault and violation of the Georgia Street Gang Act. The incident occurred roughly three weeks ago, but there has been no national media coverage.


Again..., Just hours after the verdict was delivered on the George Zimmerman trial, two marines were brutally attacked by a large group (15-20) African American males in San Bernardino, California as they were sitting on their porch. One of the victims escaped with just a head wound (inflicted by a tire iron), while the other was stabbed in the chest.

A mutual friend of the two marines (who happened to be black) was mysteriously left untouched. And again...., none of the local news affiliates or national news have reported on the attack. Hmmmm.... no double standards, huh?

I'd like to clarify that I was not meaning to say that there is no double standard within America, because we could argue that for Whites, Blacks and Hispanics, but I don't feel that there is a double standard in what chrisf55 was posting.

I also do not feel there is a double standard in the two cases you referred to. Many people fail to realize that the reason the GZ case got so much publicity was because he was not arrested until weeks later, and was free to do anything.

Within days, the suspects in your first case either turned themselves in or were arrested and charged. The police even said this was not racially motivated, nor was there any physical or testimonial evidence to suggest that. I'm surprised that this did not make it to national media outlets, but if "justice was served", what's the point?

http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_story/23037003/article-Mableton-teens-linked-to-gang-are-accused-in-beating-death
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/22847865/police-murder-of-mableton-man-not-racially-motivated

There were barely any articles on your second example, and from what I found nothing was proven to be true in this case. It was brought to the public's attention by a local radio station's crime report segment, and then came these long articles with "alleged" everywhere in them. Even on the supposed public statement from his parents, they describe it as the "alleged parents' statement".

Or even when it is not related to crime..

I went with my family to a nearby amusement park, I noticed several t-shirts worn by park patrons that made me think about a racial double standard that exists in this country. Some of the t-shirts read as follows: "Black is Beautiful;" "The Blacker the College, the Sweeter the Knowledge;" "It's a Black Thang;" and "Blacks do it Better." I understand pride in one's race and heritage, and generally have no problem with expressions of that respect. But , I couldn't help but wonder what the reaction would have been if the t-shirts had read "White is Beautiful;" "The Whiter the College, the Sweeter the Knowledge;" "It's a White Thing;" or "Whites do it Better."

While I can't say with certainty what the response from most people would have been, I can hazard a guess. I suspect that the wearers of the shirts would have been labeled racists, and that they may have even been barred entry to the park. I say that confidently because a double standard does in fact exist in America when the discussion centers on race.

Other examples from American life are readily available. "Support Black Businesses" is a theme often echoed by the African-American community. What if someone said "Support White Businesses?" Would they be labeled as racist? What about the United Negro College Fund? Would a United White College Fund escape scrutiny for discrimination or racism? What if the NBA was required to implement an affirmative action plan to help white players? Would there be an uproar from the citizenry?

We cannot demand racial equality or a colorblind society while holding different races to non-equal standards. The only way to fix the racial divide in this country is to treat everyone equally. It must go both ways. Otherwise the Al Sharptons (and others), of the world will continue to use race as a means for emphasizing our differences rather than working toward expanding our commonalities

I completely see the double standard in this, but people always argue this same thing. If Whites were racially oppressed as Blacks were and are in America, there would be a United White College Fund. If White businesses were prone to fail or are not usually successful like Black businesses in America due to race, there probably would be a "Support White Businesses" movement. I'm glad you didn't say"why not a White Entertainment channel?". Many people fail to realize that BET is owned by Viacom, a White business. Still, if every other channel on television wasn't for White people, maybe there would be a "WET".

Equality is still not here in America. If it was, or if it was beginning to happen, maybe there would not be a NAACP or UNCF. Black people are still economically and circumstantially disadvantaged in America. The government isn't doing anything about it, so why are people getting mad when Black people do something about it?

[Harry Smith]

Equality is still not here in America. If it was, or if it was beginning to happen, maybe there would not be a NAACP or UNCF. Black people are still economically and circumstantially disadvantaged in America. The government isn't doing anything about it, so why are people getting mad when Black people do something about it?

The Government can't and shouldn't strive to change black poverty or black economic issues. They should strive to solve human poverty and human economic issues. There are many white people who can't afford to go to college, it's not exclusive to black people.

Do you want the government to give black people money just because they're black?

[comical]

The Government can't and shouldn't strive to change black poverty or black economic issues. They should strive to solve human poverty and human economic issues. There are many white people who can't afford to go to college, it's not exclusive to black people.

Do you want the government to give black people money just because they're black?

Why shouldn't the government try and change black economic issues, when in the end, it affects and is affected by this country's whole economic problems. If you have an infected finger, it will soon spread to your whole hand. They can't try and fix part of the problem, and not the rest.

No, I'm not saying just throw money in the pockets of Black people. But if that would instantly fix the economic problems, then they can go for it, but it won't.

[Harry Smith]

Why shouldn't the government try and change black economic issues, when in the end, it affects and is affected by this country's whole economic problems. If you have an infected finger, it will soon spread to your whole hand. They can't try and fix part of the problem, and not the rest.

No, I'm not saying just throw money in the pockets of Black people. But if that would instantly fix the economic problems, then they can go for it, but it won't.

Because America isn't a black country, it's not a white country. It's a good example of how multiculturalism and wide scale immigration can work. The Government can't do something just for black people, it can't just work at improving conditions for blacks. There is no fixed solution solely for black people, it's not because of their skin colour at all, it's based on plain economics

I'm a supported of Big Government but I think that John Kennedy's word's still hold such truth

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

[kiddo67]

I've never heard that? well I'm white and i love being white, the only thing bad of being white is that you get sunburn really easily and its really hard to get tanned

[Tree96]

I'm not ashamed of being white. Nor am I "proud" of it. I am who I am.

However, I do feel that if someone is white there is this preconceived notion that "that person must be a little racist"

And it seems like some "people of color" feel they have a "right" to be even slightly racist just because he/she is part of a minority.

Majority or minority, a racist is a racist

Let's all just get along. Jeez man.

[crepesuzette]

i dont think that all white people are alike.

I'm not ashamed of being white. Nor am I "proud" of it. I am who I am.

However, I do feel that if someone is white there is this preconceived notion that "that person must be a little racist"

And it seems like some "people of color" feel they have a "right" to be even slightly racist just because he/she is part of a minority.

Majority or minority, a racist is a racist

Let's all just get along. Jeez man.

i do think that some whites feel that their jobs are being outsourced by other minorities. like why are they getting jobs? why are they so advanced? they don't deserve the intelligence. the white man does.

Merged. -StoppingTime

[Allbutanillusion]

Really!? Seriously?! Outsourcing jobs is not a matter of race, as you are trying to phrase it. If you start outsourcing decent paying/ rewarding jobs and replacing them with lesser, lower paying jobs or none at all.., in any community( black,Japanese, Brazilian..etc>) I can guarantee you that there will be some negative response/feedback to that in the community. So your weak argument is irrelevant / not valid.

Your comments seem to indicate that you are very racist against white people.( derogatory/ condescending towards white people)



However, I do feel that if someone is white there is this preconceived notion that "that person must be a little racist"

And it seems like some "people of color" feel they have a "right" to be even slightly racist just because he/she is part of a minority.

Majority or minority, a racist is a racist

Let's all just get along. Jeez man.


I agree. A racist is a racist, black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, etc. and you don't deserve a free pass just because you are of some other ethnicity other than white.


Posts Merged. -StoppingTime

[Obsidian]

I'm white and I could care less.. it doesn't make me feel any certain way. Why should it? It's just the color of my skin. I'm not going to feel empowered or guilty or whatever else for something as insignificant as that. White people shouldn't feel guilty for something that our ancestors did like a hundred years ago. It has nothing to do with us or who we are. Our skin color doesn't determine whether or not we're good people.

I read online somewhere that black people are 7 times more likely to end up in prison than white people. That doesn't mean that every black person should feel guilty because their race commits more crimes than white people. And if they shouldn't feel guilty for that, I shouldn't feel guilty that my race (and not even anybody I was related to since I lived in Michigan and not somewhere down south) once owned slaves. It's not my fault. I wasn't even alive.

Nobody should feel guilty for the color of their skin, or for the actions of others with their skin color, because that's all it is; the color of your skin. And it's stupid to see it as anything more than that. I'll never understand why people do.

[Allbutanillusion]

I'm white and I could care less.. it doesn't make me feel any certain way. Why should it? It's just the color of my skin. I'm not going to feel empowered or guilty or whatever else for something as insignificant as that. White people shouldn't feel guilty for something that our ancestors did like a hundred years ago. It has nothing to do with us or who we are. Our skin color doesn't determine whether or not we're good people.

I read online somewhere that black people are 7 times more likely to end up in prison than white people. That doesn't mean that every black person should feel guilty because their race commits more crimes than white people. And if they shouldn't feel guilty for that, I shouldn't feel guilty that my race (and not even anybody I was related to since I lived in Michigan and not somewhere down south) once owned slaves. It's not my fault. I wasn't even alive.

Nobody should feel guilty for the color of their skin, or for the actions of others with their skin color, because that's all it is; the color of your skin. And it's stupid to see it as anything more than that. I'll never understand why people do.

I agree, as with many here.

I want to comment, it was never my intention to imply or suggest in anyway that people should feel guilt because they are Caucasian/white. Based on some of the comments/responses I think some may have thought I was. I would agree with what many have said here.. which is you should feel guilty for being white.

What I take issue with is and the reason I started the thread is what I see in the media or in society. What seems to be propagated and what people are being indoctrinated with is that white people are the oppressors. What a bunch of B.S. White people are the scapegoat in this day and age. Don't blame white people for your own failures, people.

With that being said , do I feel bad for being white, absolutely not!

[comical]

I read online somewhere that black people are 7 times more likely to end up in prison than white people. That doesn't mean that every black person should feel guilty because their race commits more crimes than white people. And if they shouldn't feel guilty for that, I shouldn't feel guilty that my race (and not even anybody I was related to since I lived in Michigan and not somewhere down south) once owned slaves. It's not my fault. I wasn't even alive.

Yep, that statistic is true. Though, it should not imply that Blacks commit more crimes than whites. It's just who is getting convicted...

[britishboy]

Yep, that statistic is true. Though, it should not imply that Blacks commit more crimes than whites. It's just who is getting convicted...

ok? what do you mean? the justice system is bias?

[comical]

ok? what do you mean? the justice system is bias?


That is exactly what I mean. There are LOTS of accounts of minorities being wrongly convicted, as well as accounts of White people being acquitted in cases where the evidence points to a guilty verdict. (I am not referring to the Zimmerman verdict, though it could be used as an example of bias in our judicial system.)

The "War on Drugs" is a large example of bias in our judicial system. Whites are the largest consumers of drugs(see here (http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/)), though, Blacks are more likely to be convicted on a drug charge(see here (http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/64#sthash.05ZUlkyI.dpbs)).

[Vocabulous]

yes. we cant control what our ancestors did, and even though we as a race did some pretty terrible things, we cant be held accountable for what happened in the past.

[CharlieHorse]

why should i feel guilty for what other ass holes have done?

[randomnessqueen]

white people are taught to think that theyre the cause of all that is bad. they clearly did some bad stuff in the past, but today theyve just become a scapegoat.