George Zimmerman

[lightPainting]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtcveaMUJSI

[Vocabulous]

oh look, a 49 and a half foot pole i won't touch this subject with.

[jayjay's toocool]

Its crazy to say the least

[LouBerry]

oh look, a 49 and a half foot pole i won't touch this subject with.

Then why are you posting?


I think this whole trial was blown waaay out of proportion. In Florida, it's legal to kill someone in self defense. Did George start it by pretty much stalking the kid? Sure. Did Treyvon have to beat him up? Probably not. Was Georges only option to shoot him? Not likely. They were both in the wrong.

[Vocabulous]

this is exactly the thing i was trying to avoid. i've seen to much of this lately, and i'm sick of it. i'm not voicing my opinion because this whole subject is, as you said, blown way out of proportion. i don't want to be any part of the discussion that will soon surface. i apologise for posting. im just saying don't talk to me about this.

[lightPainting]

Then why are you posting?


I think this whole trial was blown waaay out of proportion. In Florida, it's legal to kill someone in self defense. Did George start it by pretty much stalking the kid? Sure. Did Treyvon have to beat him up? Probably not. Was Georges only option to shoot him? Not likely. They were both in the wrong.

I don't think Treyvon was totally in the wrong, it was dark while he is walking home and a stranger is fowling him. He just wants to be safe and alive.

[LouBerry]

I don't think Treyvon was totally in the wrong, it was dark while he is walking home and a stranger is fowling him. He just wants to be safe and alive.

I mean, I'm not saying the kid deserved what happened, no one deserves that, and I wasn't there to see what really happened, but if someone is creeping on me, I'd call the cops, and I'd run away.

[Manga]

You can NOT say either of them were in the wrong. None of you were in the trial. None of you were at the scene when it took place. You are all basing your information on media over speculation and blown out facts. How can you say someone was in the wrong or not in the wrong when you have no idea for sure what took place?

[SammieRose]

This whole freak show is far from over. The only ones who know what really happened that day are the Martin kid and Zimmerman. Police and prosecutors are the ones that had to gather and present an air-tight case and they did not, defense attorneys did what they are supposed to do, generate doubt on the jury and they accomplish that.

But the fact is, this is an error on the system, be it by omission or intentional and justice was not serve at all. He was not proven innocent, he was just proven not guilty because they could not build up a case beyond reasonable doubt.

No offence, but this has happened before, a black man walked free after killing two white people then running from the police. 1995 anyone!!! So now is a latino whose lawyers were able to generate reasonable doubt on a jury. I know what you are going to say, this time they have proof that he killed the kid, but they could not prove it was murder. They aimed for murder instead of manslaughter and their gamble did not pay.

Do I think he killed the kid in cold blood or that it was self defense? cannot answer that, the investigators cannot prove either with the evidence they have. That is what's so f***ed up about the case, is a circus and both sides are yelling racial profiling.

That is my humble opinion.

[lightPainting]

we do know a few thing for sure. Zimmerman had a loaded gun. He was perusing Treyvon
even though he was told not to by the.. person that answers the 911 calls. Zimmerman killed Treyvon.

[SammieRose]

we do know a few thing for sure. Zimmerman had a loaded gun. He was perusing Treyvon
even though he was told not to by the.. person that answers the 911 calls. Zimmerman killed Treyvon.

True, true and true.

What happened here was that they could not prove that upon seeing him, he followed Treyvon with the intention of killing him, that is murder on the second degree they were charging him with. Have they had enough proof, he will not have walked. But even though they had insufficient proof, they proceeded, when they should had change the charges to manslaughter, which means his intentions were not to kill him, but at the spur of the moment he pulled the trigger knowing he was going to kill him.

I know that if the prosecutor changed the charges, there would have been unrest too, but there also would have been a higher chance of getting a guilty verdict with the evidence they could present beyond reasonable doubt.

[Sugaree]

What happened here was that they could not prove that upon seeing him, he followed Treyvon with the intention of killing him, that is murder on the second degree they were charging him with.

No, he had the intention of following Trayvon to see where he was going. Just because he had a gun and was following the kid doesn't mean there was any known intent to kill. Zimmerman's heart was in the right place. Obviously he wanted the vandals in his neighborhood to be caught so his neighborhood could sleep well at night. But it was his actions that led to what happened. There was no intent to kill whoever he found that was obvious to the jury. Clearly the jury saw something we didn't see, so saying that there was a full blown intent to go out that night and kill someone is just an incorrect statement.

Have they had enough proof, he will not have walked. But even though they had insufficient proof, they proceeded, when they should had change the charges to manslaughter, which means his intentions were not to kill him, but at the spur of the moment he pulled the trigger knowing he was going to kill him.

First off, pulling the trigger does not mean he would have automatically killed Trayvon. He could have pointed the gun in a different direction and fired, he could have hit Trayvon in the leg/arm/stomach/whatever area in his body other than his chest, there's loads of different situations that could have happened.

Secondly, they should have just charged him with manslaughter in the first place. The evidence was lacking for a second degree murder charge, and obviously this was a spur of the moment situation which someone unfortunately died. So I agree with you there.

However, there is no way Zimmerman would have KNOWN that the shot he fired would kill Trayvon. Plenty of people have survived gunshot wounds to the chest area, but maybe Zimmerman had no idea where his gun was pointed because his head was being punched by Trayvon. In a moment like that, there's no time to aim your shot to make sure you don't kill someone, it's just as simple as taking your gun out and firing in front of you (or where ever the attacker may be).

[IVIodern]

You can NOT say either of them were in the wrong.
He was told NOT to follow him in the first place, so...?

also oh how I could write a 10 page story about this, but cant be bothered at the moment :(

[Emerald Dream]

The original post in this thread is an opinion video, and not an actual news story. Therefore, I am locking this thread.

If you wish to continue discussing this topic, it is ongoing in ROTW. :locked: