The Zimmerman Verdict

[Walter Powers]

What do you make of the verdict in the George Zimmerman Trial? The jury found him not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin.

I personally agree with it. It just seems to me that at best the evidence was equally for and against Zimmerman, and of course in America he has to be proven guilty "beyond all reasonable doubt."

I also think that this case was, frankly, a waste of Florida's resources and probably only got as far as it did because of media sensationalism.

[Nomad_X]

What do you make of the verdict in the George Zimmerman Trial? The jury found him not guilty of murder of Trayvon Martin.

I personally agree with it. It just seems to me that at best the evidence was equally for and against Zimmerman, and of course in America he has to be proven guilty "beyond all reasonable doubt."

I also think that this case was, frankly, a waste of Florida's resources and probably only got as far as it did because of media sensationalism.


Sadly "Reasonable Doubt" is not something that most people understand when it comes to the justice system. Sure Zimmerman killed the kid, but the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he should be convicted of Second degree murder.

[Harry Smith]

For once I agree with you, the media turned it into a race crime when it simply wasn't. Martin was a wannable gangster who has high on pot, If you attack someone as he did in America don't be surprised if you get shot.

However I do disagree with the premise of the law, it's stupid.

So I support Zimmerman because legally he did nothing wrong but the law which protected him is rather backwards

[Southside]

For once I agree with you, the media turned it into a race crime when it simply wasn't. Martin was a wannable gangster who has high on pot, If you attack someone as he did in America don't be surprised if you get shot.

However I do disagree with the premise of the law, it's stupid.

So I support Zimmerman because legally he did nothing wrong but the law which protected him is rather backwards

On the pot thing, I'd like you to read this article which debunks the "Trayvon was high" theory. He had 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of blood of tetrahydrocannabinol in his system, not even enough to be intoxicated, and if he did smoke weed, he smoked it over 24 hours before the confrontation.


http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

I wear my hat backwards proudly and take pictures with my middle fingerup... I must be a threat to society and a wannabe gangster in your opinion correct?

[Dark Blue]

Martin was not under the influence, sure he had traces of marijuana in his system, which is detectable for weeks if not longer if consumed. So sure, pot head if you want.

I was hoping for manslaughter at least, seemed suit but guess not. Regardless, convicting Zimmerman won't bring back Martin. Plus, he has to hide for the rest of his life, fine by me.

On the pot thing, I'd like you to read this article which debunks the "Trayvon was high" theory.

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

I wear my hat backwards proudly... I must be a threat to society in your opinion correct?

Thank you

[Harry Smith]

On the pot thing, I'd like you to read this article which debunks the "Trayvon was high" theory.

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

I wear my hat backwards proudly... I must be a threat to society in your opinion correct?

I didn't mean that he was high on pot at the time, I was just showing how as said before he wasn't this innocent little angel that the NAACP make him out to be

[Southside]

I didn't mean that he was high on pot at the time, I was just showing how as said before he wasn't this innocent little angel that the NAACP make him out to be

I dont see you bringing up that Zimmerman faught a police officer, nor that a restraining order was filed against him for domestic violence. Both men had dirt in the past.

No one is a angel but you act like Trayvon is the first teenager to blaze a blunt up. I myself know plenty of teenagers who smoke on a daily basis. You shouldnt use that as a point.

[Harry Smith]

I dont see you bringing up that Zimmerman faught a police officer, nor that a restraining order was filed against him for domestic violence. Both men had dirt in the past.

No one is a angel but you act like Trayvon is the first teenager to blaze a blunt up. I myself know plenty of teenagers who smoke on a daily basis. You shouldnt use that as a point.

I know zimmerman wasn't a saint, I despise the man personally. But the thing that people are overlooking is the legal factor, we weren't in the courtroom and even if we were it's all subjective.

I think we can all agree that the Stand your ground needs to be repealed

[Dark Blue]

True, something needs to be done, the law perhaps like you said. Nothing will be able to undo the done.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

If Trayvon had not been killed by the gun shot, but simply maimed, it wouldn't have been the "Zimmerman trial" because Trayvon would have been charged with two counts of aggravated assault.

Personally I think Zimmerman was in the right. He was checking out a suspicious individual in his neighborhood -- which is perfectly legal. As he was a member of the neighborhood watch I wouldn't be surprised if he thought it was his duty at the time. Trayvon was the aggressor. Zimmerman's nose was broken, he had cuts on the back of his head. Even though Trayvon wasn't armed, I don't doubt Zimmerman would be dead if he hadn't taken the shot. I wish Trayvon hadn't been killed though. Now they have a martyr and the ability to distract the public from more important news. That and its a tragedy.

[Trenton_]

For once I agree with you, the media turned it into a race crime when it simply wasn't. Martin was a wannable gangster who has high on pot, If you attack someone as he did in America don't be surprised if you get shot.

However I do disagree with the premise of the law, it's stupid.

So I support Zimmerman because legally he did nothing wrong but the law which protected him is rather backwards

Which law? Stand your ground and defend yourself against assault?


On the pot thing, I'd like you to read this article which debunks the "Trayvon was high" theory. He had 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of blood of tetrahydrocannabinol in his system, not even enough to be intoxicated, and if he did smoke weed, he smoked it over 24 hours before the confrontation.


http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

I wear my hat backwards proudly and take pictures with my middle fingerup... I must be a threat to society and a wannabe gangster in your opinion correct?

To me that's just more proof that the media and sharpton were stupid to show the school picture when he was much younger, kind of painting him in this, "he's a child" crap which actually worked. Blacks saying "he's a child or what if it was your child" junk like that.

17 isn't an innocent child. He was a pot smoker, gold tooth wearing thug who got in many fights and was suspended from school who was again beating on Zimmerman. That's the victim. Not a good guy.

If the black community views THAT KID as one of their success stories, the black community is in rough shape. People say, "he got killed for being black" .. well, if that's one of your best black childrens (sic) then profiling makes perfect sense if people do it right?

It's one or the other? right? this kid was scum and should be forgotten. If blacks try to make him into some sad victim, then that says tons about blacks. If I were black I'd be outraged at Sharpton and his followers and the media's influence on what that kid really is. No one likes to be duped.

I'd bet if Martin was a straight A kid, athlete who had a job, then this case would mean something but the kid that got killed? We lost very little that day.




Martin was not under the influence, sure he had traces of marijuana in his system, which is detectable for weeks if not longer if consumed. So sure, pot head if you want.

I was hoping for manslaughter at least, seemed suit but guess not. Regardless, convicting Zimmerman won't bring back Martin. Plus, he has to hide for the rest of his life, fine by me.

What do you mean hoping? There's nothing to hope for. There's law, people break them, they get prosecuted. Just remember that the DA didn't want to prosecute this case because he knows the laws there, he enforces them, but he was pushed into prosecuting it. People should have taken his advice and lead from the beginning. Now we have blacks mad at whites for some reason which is just stupid because zimmer was latino. blacks mad at latinos. Blacks mad at the justice system. People saying no justice for the black man. All while the DA knew the case was a loser. So much effort in to a case of dumb meets dumber, one has skittles one has a gun.

Don't worry, the feds are looking into prosecuting him and martin's life from now on won't be a good one unless he avoids blacks and to do that he's gotta go to northern North Dakota where he will be profiled.

Thank you

[Harry Smith]

Which law? Stand your ground and defend yourself against assault?

No, the Stand your ground Law. That's what it's called.

It allows you to what ever you want if someone is a threat to your physical safety

[Taryn98]

I think the verdict was correct. There was clearly reasonable doubt. The prosecution and media and most celebs that have chimed in on the case all seem to have their "theory" of what happened and they think that is all it takes. Or they think because one person is armed and kills the other, that he must be guilty. That's not the way things work.
You have a right to self defense, and the most important details of the case (the actual fight) had only one witness who didn't see everything but what they saw agreed with Zimmerman's story.
To the people out there calling for the death of Zimmerman or at least a Federal Civil Rights case, you are what's wrong with this country. Justice was served. Nobody is happy that someone is dead, but calling for another death by vigilante isn't acceptable in civilized society.

[Dark Blue]

To me that's just more proof that the media and sharpton were stupid to show the school picture when he was much younger, kind of painting him in this, "he's a child" crap which actually worked. Blacks saying "he's a child or what if it was your child" junk like that.

17 isn't an innocent child. He was a pot smoker, gold tooth wearing thug who got in many fights and was suspended from school who was again beating on Zimmerman. That's the victim. Not a good guy.

If the black community views THAT KID as one of their success stories, the black community is in rough shape. People say, "he got killed for being black" .. well, if that's one of your best black childrens (sic) then profiling makes perfect sense if people do it right?

It's one or the other? right? this kid was scum and should be forgotten. If blacks try to make him into some sad victim, then that says tons about blacks. If I were black I'd be outraged at Sharpton and his followers and the media's influence on what that kid really is. No one likes to be duped.

I'd bet if Martin was a straight A kid, athlete who had a job, then this case would mean something but the kid that got killed? We lost very little that day.

Nobody is viewing him as a success story, they are viewing him as a HUMAN BEING. So because he was a 'thug' does that mean he deserved to die? Should we start hunting down every thug, oh yeah the white, latino, green and purple ones too? Who ever said that's one of your best black children? Your taking this case to a level that's filled with cold-heartedness, idiocy and I'm picking up on some buried negative energy against black people. Not all of us are thugs, gold tooth etc etc. You shouldn't have to be a cookie cutter image of a youth to respected, and remembered.

Now Trayvon Martin wouldn't be my kind of party, not at all. Not one of my kind of friends. But in the same note he is someone's friend, so saying "we lost very little that day" is ignorant. Its a tragedy and huge loss for his family jerk off.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

I hate even bringing up the issue of race because I wish the world was color blind. Zimmerman is at least half hispanic and one of his grandfathers is black. Zimmerman was not racially profiling Trayvon.

[Dark Blue]

I wish the same, I don't see color anymore, my family has a decent mix and I grew up in a very multicultural place, hard for me to stereotype etc.

But I heard about claims that Zimmerman made racial remarks, that was since the beginning.

[Human]

I agree with the verdict and I think the media twisted the public view - the images of 12 year old Trayvon for example. It was wrongly twisted to a racial discrimination case too.

[World Eater]

Umm...who gives a fuck? This is just another clusterfuck of a so called "trial". It was hilarious for the first few days, but then I just wanted it to get to the end. And it ended in the way I wanted it to. Not guilty. Do I think he should punished? Maybe, but then again what would that achieve? Nothing. The boy is dead and buried.

"He should have stayed in the car.", I've heard many people say. The reality and the truth however is that he didn't. He's not obligated to listen to a dispatcher or anyone for that matter of fact. He was doing his job and at the end he shot and killed Martin.

It doesn't matter what any of us think. It didn't matter what anyone said. His fate was decided by a jury of 6 women. And he was convicted not guilty. So that wraps up another pathetic sob story in the U.S. What's the next one going to be? Actually I don't even want to know. It's probably just going to turn into a damn circus and the media is going to fly over it like fucking vultures, like they always do. As I said in another thread, fuck 'em both.

[Walter Powers]

NBC intentianally edited George Zimmermans 911 call to make him appear racist.
The liberal media was certainly in the bag against Zimmerman, and wanted to devote as much time as possible to his case. I'll bet they aren't thrilled on the verdict, but I haven't tuned in yet today. One of them has probably already called the jury "raciest".

[Camazotz]

Lessons I learned:

1. Don't walk on the streets at night in Florida (or Stand Your Ground States, or shady neighborhoods, or pretty much anywhere else)
2. If someone suspicious is following you, flail your arms and run as fast as you can screaming for help
3. Don't trust people (stranger danger?)
4. If you suspect someone of a crime or being dangerous, don't follow them (if common sense is just not common enough)
5. Don't provoke someone you perceive as dangerous
6. If you don't like the fact that this turned into a "race" issue, then stop mentioning it; chances are, nobody else (less than 5% of people) thinks it exists, and its getting perpetuated by the media because people are talking about it
7. Ignore what the media says, look at the facts available, and be willing to admit to yourself that you don't have all the information that the jury has
7a. So don't judge their verdict if you think they're right or wrong- you don't know the full story; they don't either, they're just doing the best job they can

[Southside]

Which law? Stand your ground and defend yourself against assault?




To me that's just more proof that the media and sharpton were stupid to show the school picture when he was much younger, kind of painting him in this, "he's a child" crap which actually worked. Blacks saying "he's a child or what if it was your child" junk like that.

17 isn't an innocent child. He was a pot smoker, gold tooth wearing thug who got in many fights and was suspended from school who was again beating on Zimmerman. That's the victim. Not a good guy.

If the black community views THAT KID as one of their success stories, the black community is in rough shape. People say, "he got killed for being black" .. well, if that's one of your best black childrens (sic) then profiling makes perfect sense if people do it right?

It's one or the other? right? this kid was scum and should be forgotten. If blacks try to make him into some sad victim, then that says tons about blacks. If I were black I'd be outraged at Sharpton and his followers and the media's influence on what that kid really is. No one likes to be duped.

I'd bet if Martin was a straight A kid, athlete who had a job, then this case would mean something but the kid that got killed? We lost very little that day.

I dont see you pointing out Zimmerman's past, he had a restraining order against him and also assaulted a cop, he must be a angel in your opinion right? 1


1 and 5 teenagers smoke pot, so dont even try to make that a arguing point because a lot of teens do it. The things that Trayvon did are what a lot of teenagers do, a lot of people our age do smoke pot. You even have presidents past and present who've admitted they've smoked pot, they must be thugs right?

Can you PLEASE stop stereotyping? Having a gold grill in your mouth automatically means your a thug?

You act like Trayvon Martin was the first teenager to

1.Smoke pot
2.Get suspended for fighting
3. Have a gold grill

If you get past your stereotypical views, maybe we can have a discussion.

[Walter Powers]

Here's an interview with Zimmermans lawyers. They talk about how the media and politicians played an undue role in this case. Check it out:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2547094187001/lawyers-blame-media-for-inaccurate-portrayal-of-zimmerman/?playlist_id=2114913880001

Zimmerman is also renewing his lawsuit against NBC.

[Harry Smith]

Here's an interview with Zimmermans lawyers. They talk about how the media and politicians played an undue role in this case. Check it out:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2547094187001/lawyers-blame-media-for-inaccurate-portrayal-of-zimmerman/?playlist_id=2114913880001

Zimmerman is also renewing his lawsuit against NBC.

It's a good point you raise, a trial should be truly unbiased but we've had the media and politicians meddling in it for the last two years

[ImCoolBeans]

In a racially fueled law suit you have to have some pretty concrete proof that the crime was committed because of race. In this case, there was a lot of hearsay and not a lot of concrete proof. Look at the U.S. Supreme court case McClesky V. Kemp. Warren McClesky, an African American man, killed a police officer in an armed robbery and was sentenced to death for it, he appealed the ruling to the supreme court after going through the appellate process and claimed that the ruling was unfair and was made with racial malice. The Supreme Court ruled that you have to show a conscious, deliberate bias. Meaning you have to present actual facts, not half baked opinions. I'm not so shocked Zimmerman was acquitted actually -- there wasn't much of an actual case going on -- just a lot of upset people making very big claims. Whether he did it or not the people probably ruined the case for themselves.

[Human]

In a racially fueled law suit you have to have some pretty concrete proof that the crime was committed because of race. In this case, there was a lot of hearsay and not a lot of concrete proof. Look at the U.S. Supreme court case McClesky V. Kemp. Warren McClesky, an African American man, killed a police officer in an armed robbery and was sentenced to death for it, he appealed the ruling to the supreme court after going through the appellate process and claimed that the ruling was unfair and was made with racial malice. The Supreme Court ruled that you have to show a conscious, deliberate bias. Meaning you have to present actual facts, not half baked opinions. I'm not so shocked Zimmerman was acquitted actually -- there wasn't much of an actual case going on -- just a lot of upset people making very big claims. Whether he did it or not the people probably ruined the case for themselves.

I agree, the media created a lot of controversy and too much public attention towards him being a 'boy' and it being a race issue... maybe Zimmerman should have got manslaughter charges, or something like that but not murder.

All these protests with people looting and causing violence doesn't help the cause either.

[Oath]

Since this was moved to the debate thread, I'm gonna keep it funky and I want to start expressing myself because I'm still mad as hell over this.

For starters, they should have had a more diverse jury.

Zimmerman's myspace page from a few years back just got leaked and he is saying a lot of disrespectful things about latin people. Dude, isn't your mother hispanic? Ugh. Smh.

[Walter Powers]

Since this was moved to the debate thread, I'm gonna keep it funky and I want to start expressing myself because I'm still mad as hell over this.

For starters, they should have had a more diverse jury.

Zimmerman's myspace page from a few years back just got leaked and he is saying a lot of disrespectful things about latin people. Dude, isn't your mother hispanic? Ugh. Smh.

Why are you "mad as hell" over this? There wasn't anywhere near enough evidence to convict Zimmerman; the Justice system worked. The state of Florida threw everything they had at him and yet he still was acquitted. That means he's NOT GUILTY, for Pete's sake!


Should have had a more diverse jury? The jury was chosen fairly. Each lawyer could eliminate a number of jurors, and this makeup is how it came out to be. Your the first person I've seen who's calling the trial unfair.

Bottom line is that there has to be proof beyond all reasonable doubt to convict them of criminal wrongdoing, and there isn't that proof. The only reason you think that the jury was wrong in it's decision is the media hyping it up for ratings and to forward their Split America Apart agenda.

[StoppingTime]

Zimmerman's myspace page from a few years back just got leaked and he is saying a lot of disrespectful things about latin people. Dude, isn't your mother hispanic? Ugh. Smh.

Even if that were to be confirmed true, it has less than nothing to do with this trial.

[Capto]

Even if that were to be confirmed true, it has less than nothing to do with this trial.

Any little bit of information, even that, always has something to do with a trial.

[StoppingTime]

Any little bit of information, even that, always has something to do with a trial.

It really doesn't. Why? All it (may, assuming it's even legitimate) was that he made "disrespectful" comments towards "Latin people." Martin wasn't "Latin" if anything he was partly of Latino descent. So, how does it have anything to do with this trial?

[Capto]

It really doesn't. Why? All it (may, assuming it's even legitimate) was that he made "disrespectful" comments towards "Latin people." Martin wasn't "Latin" if anything he was partly of Latino descent. So, how does it have anything to do with this trial?

Because a biased lawyer for Martin can attempt to use this piece of information, that, to any other person may seem irrelevant [and perhaps may be, depending on your own opinions and weltanshaaung], twist it in his or her own way to attempt to bias the general view of either the jury, the judge, or the public. But on an actual serious note, both sides will grab as much 'evidence' as they can, no matter how irrelevant, stupid, or questionable it may be. Martin's lawyer, if he had found Zimmerman's Myspace [which, I may add, I have not looked at in great detail yet] would probably bring it up in a vain attempt to acquire more data and evidence.

So yes, it really does.

[StoppingTime]

If you were to bring that page up in court and show the jury "disrespectful" comments against "Latin people" you'd be making a terrible move. It wouldn't instill the 'fact' that he's racist seeing as his history has nothing to do with the case (#1) and race was not something being covered in this trial (#2)

[Capto]

If you were to bring that page up in court and show the jury "disrespectful" comments against "Latin people" you'd be making a terrible move. It wouldn't instill the 'fact' that he's racist seeing as his history has nothing to do with the case (#1) and race was not something being covered in this trial (#2)

If you were to bring that page up in court and show the jury "disrespectful" comments against "Latin people" you'd be making an understandable, but questionable move. In what way, shape, or form would his history have nothing to do with the case? In no way. A person's past and history have everything to do with the case. It's frankly illogical to deal with only situational and temporary evidence and circumstances. It is key for a lawyer to read through a person's past as the circumstances and history dictate all. Ergo in such a case, or in any case really, it is essential and beneficial for a lawyer to provide historical or personal evidence for the express purpose of providing substance and background for his or her arguments priori and posteriori as well as to, in layman's terms, 'paint a picture' that is beneficial to his or her client.

Race is irrelevant. I never intended to make it relevant, nor would providing such evidence make it relevant at all. It's the essence that counts.

[comical]

Honestly I think the reason racial profiling was not allowed in the trial was because Zimmerman was a racist, and did racially profile Trayvon Martin.

For once I agree with you, the media turned it into a race crime when it simply wasn't. Martin was a wannable gangster who has high on pot, If you attack someone as he did in America don't be surprised if you get shot.

However I do disagree with the premise of the law, it's stupid.

So I support Zimmerman because legally he did nothing wrong but the law which protected him is rather backwards

You say he was high on pot, and then say you didn't mean to say it.. George Zimmerman was a wannabe police officer and attacked Trayvon Martin.

I don't know why everyone thinks Trayvon attacked GZ, seeing as if the DNA Testing results do not correspond with GZ's story.

(See: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214336/-DNA-Report-does-NOT-support-Zimmerman-s-claim-that-Trayvon-Martin-caused-his-injuries and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/george-zimmerman-gun-trayvon-martin-dna_n_3543097.html)

If Zimmerman was so honest, why was he afraid to testify? He knew the prosecution would chew him alive out of his lies.

Zimmerman was a racist, and that even shows in the 911 calls he made. (See: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/22/cnn-isolates-audio-of-zimmerman-911-call-racial-slur-now-very-likely/#)

George Zimmerman's family friend and writer even admitted GZ was racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl94hVqC1iY

[Walter Powers]

Honestly I think the reason racial profiling was not allowed in the trial was because Zimmerman was a racist, and did racially profile Trayvon Martin.



You say he was high on pot, and then say you didn't mean to say it.. George Zimmerman was a wannabe police officer and attacked Trayvon Martin.

I don't know why everyone thinks Trayvon attacked GZ, seeing as if the DNA Testing results do not correspond with GZ's story.

(See: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214336/-DNA-Report-does-NOT-support-Zimmerman-s-claim-that-Trayvon-Martin-caused-his-injuries and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/george-zimmerman-gun-trayvon-martin-dna_n_3543097.html)

If Zimmerman was so honest, why was he afraid to testify? He knew the prosecution would chew him alive out of his lies.

Zimmerman was a racist, and that even shows in the 911 calls he made. (See: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/22/cnn-isolates-audio-of-zimmerman-911-call-racial-slur-now-very-likely/#)

George Zimmerman's family friend and writer even admitted GZ was racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl94hVqC1iY

So you disagree with the verdict, then? You can give all the "propf" he's a raciest you want, this guy grew up with blacks in his home, has voluntarilly mentored blacks, vocally defended a homeless black man from false allegations by a police officer.

The bottom line is that there is nowhere near enough evidence to prove that he was guilty of murdering Trayvon beyond all reasonable doubt, and so the justice system was fair and worked.

[Southside]

So you disagree with the verdict, then? You can give all the "propf" he's a raciest you want, this guy grew up with blacks in his home, has voluntarilly mentored blacks, vocally defended a homeless black man from false allegations by a police officer.

The bottom line is that there is nowhere near enough evidence to prove that he was guilty of murdering Trayvon beyond all reasonable doubt, and so the justice system was fair and worked.

I dont think Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon, I do think he criminally profiled him though. Dont you think?

[drew6]

I'm satisfied with the verdict. The judge gives very specific instructions on what is needed for each crime a defendant is charged with. Those instructions must be followed, it's the law. There are certain elements that MUST be present for each charge. A murder conviction was out of the question from the very start, but because of social pressure, the district attorney charged him.

The prosecutor decided long ago that there wasn't enough evidence to win at trial, so zimmerman wasn't charged and people were upset. THEN, the prosecutor was forced into a trial and lost. It should come as no surprise.

I think people wanted "something" to happen to Zimmerman in the form of punishment, but because the investigation was slow and not very thorough, the district attorney didn't have much to go to trial with and win.

It's not the jury's fault or the prosecutors, if there is fault to be assigned, people should direct their displeasure with the police investigation. The rest of the process worked as it should have worked.

[Sugaree]

Since this was moved to the debate thread, I'm gonna keep it funky and I want to start expressing myself because I'm still mad as hell over this.

lol why u mad tho?

Seriously, quit raging over this. So the jury didn't rule in your favor; shit happens all the time. You tried your best and that's all you could have done. Get over it.

You know, instead of raging over George Zimmerman, shouldn't the white boy who was killed by a black man (pretty much Trayvon Martin vs. George Zimmerman reversed) in New York be a topic? Granted, this was a few years ago, but why does no one talk about it when a BLACK man kills a WHITE person? Lord forbid a WHITE person kills a BLACK person. Why does everyone have a double standard? Is the white boy not as important as a black boy? Sure, many may not have heard of the story, but does no one find it incredibly ironic that when a white person gets killed as a result of being assaulted by a black person that you never hear about it? Yet, if a white person either (1) retaliates against a black person or (2) attacks a black person, cries of racism are always made? Where is the justice for THIS boy who was criminally profiled because he "might have" been stealing from people's cars? There is no common sense to any of this, and everyone on VT knows it, yet they decide to go with the flow. If there's ever a site where hypocrites can gather and circlejerk, it's certainly this one.

Here is a link (http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/the-roderick-scott-not-guilty-vigilante-case-when-he-murdered-a-17-year-old-white-boy/) for anyone wanting to go further into the case. From there, you can find additional links about the case here (http://www.mpnnow.com/news/x1145294515/Jury-finds-Roderick-Scott-not-guilty) and here (http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/).

Of course, I know exactly what's going to happen once people see this post. I'm going to be called the bigot. I'm going to be called the racist. All for asking a simple question: WHY DO YOU IGNORE BLACK ON WHITE CRIME, YET TREAT WHITE ON BLACK CRIME AS IF IT IS A MORTAL SIN? Better yet, why don't you focus on black on black crime? Or even hispanic on hispanic crime? Is that too taboo for discussion? If white on black crime was such a problem, don't you think there would be more things out there that would prevent it?

I spent a little time browsing FBI Crime Stats for 2010 (the last year that has been finalized) and made some interesting discoveries. Did you know that 90% of blacks are murdered by blacks, and 83% of whites are murdered by whites? Did you know that there are 14.82 murders per 100K by blacks versus 2.17 per 100K for whites? Per capita there are 7x more murders committed by blacks than whites. I didn't make this up. It comes directly from the FBI. I just cut the numbers in a more revealing manner. In fact, here's a chart from 2009 that I found interesting:

http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/FBI-Homocide-Victims-by-Race-2009.jpg

Anyone else see a trend here? This comes directly from the FBI, so it's not some conservative site trying to push an agenda. The trend is obvious: blacks are more likely to be killed by another black person than by a white person.

I'll say this: if anybody on this site has definitive proof like I have presented that contradicts what I say, please present it. I have done my research and have come up with the above conclusions. Until someone can present a valid argument - and by valid, I mean NOT saying the cause of all this is racism - then I'm not going to be dissuaded.

[ImCoolBeans]

you know, instead of raging over george zimmerman, shouldn't the white boy who was killed by a black man (pretty much trayvon martin vs. George zimmerman reversed) in new york be a topic? Why does no one talk about it when a black man kills a white person, but lord forbid a white person kills a black person. Why does everyone have a double standard? Is the white boy not as important as a black boy? Sure, many may not have heard of the story, but does no one find it incredibly ironic that when a white person gets killed as a result of being assaulted by a black person that you never hear about it? Yet, if a white person either (1) retaliates against a black person or (2) attacks a black person, cries of racism are always made? Where is the justice for this boy who was criminally profiled because he "might have" been stealing from people's cars? There is no common sense to any of this, and everyone on vt knows it, yet they decide to go with the flow. If there's ever a site where hypocrites can gather and circlejerk, it's certainly this one.

10/10. All of my love is now yours.

[Origami]

lol why u mad tho?

Seriously, quit raging over this. So the jury didn't rule in your favor; shit happens all the time. You tried your best and that's all you could have done. Get over it.

You know, instead of raging over George Zimmerman, shouldn't the white boy who was killed by a black man (pretty much Trayvon Martin vs. George Zimmerman reversed) in New York be a topic? Why does no one talk about it when a BLACK man kills a WHITE person, but lord forbid a WHITE person kills a BLACK person. Why does everyone have a double standard? Is the white boy not as important as a black boy? Sure, many may not have heard of the story, but does no one find it incredibly ironic that when a white person gets killed as a result of being assaulted by a black person that you never hear about it? Yet, if a white person either (1) retaliates against a black person or (2) attacks a black person, cries of racism are always made? Where is the justice for THIS boy who was criminally profiled because he "might have" been stealing from people's cars? There is no common sense to any of this, and everyone on VT knows it, yet they decide to go with the flow. If there's ever a site where hypocrites can gather and circlejerk, it's certainly this one.

We all know reverse racism isn't real. It's just something us white people like to pretend.

#Sarcasm

[Capto]

We're still all too touchy on the subject of race.

[Sugaree]

We're still all too touchy on the subject of race.

And for good reason. Race is always going to be an issue to some people, and until we stop race baiters like the NAACP and figureheads like Jesse Jackson, race is ALWAYS going to be a card to play. We should be colorblind by now, but we're not.

[Walter Powers]

I dont think Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon, I do think he criminally profiled him though. Dont you think?

I don't think we can know. That's why I'm satasified with the verdict.

[Jevon]

This is so old and seriously people are killed everyday...TEENS are killed everyday...so what makes this one special like seriously it's stupid what the media does

[Oath]

It proves America is still racist like it is.

This is my husband irl
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=37

my parents did not want me marrying him because he was a white man and vice versa. Because I was black, his family still to this day hasn't accepted me. But i don't give a fuck.

There was a white man who shot a black boy around the time of the Trayvon incident. The jury found him guilty today, but now the lawyers are going to try to get an insanity charge so that way he doesn't go to jail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57594207-504083/darius-simmons-murder-john-henry-spooner-wis-man-76-guilty-in-fatal-shooting-of-13-year-old-teen-neighbor/

[Walter Powers]

It proves America is still racist like it is.

This is my husband irl
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=37

my parents did not want me marrying him because he was a white man and vice versa. Because I was black, his family still to this day hasn't accepted me. But i don't give a fuck.

There was a white man who shot a black boy around the time of the Trayvon incident. The jury found him guilty today, but now the lawyers are going to try to get an insanity charge so that way he doesn't go to jail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57594207-504083/darius-simmons-murder-john-henry-spooner-wis-man-76-guilty-in-fatal-shooting-of-13-year-old-teen-neighbor/

This does not prove anything. Despite what the mainstream media may have you think when it overhyped this case, there was nowhere near enough evidence of anything to convict Zimmerman. Do you deny this? I would have been shocked and ashamed at the justice system had he been found guilty, given the lack of proof.

As for your husband, why are you marrying as a teenager? Your in laws very well could be raciest, but I suspect your ages might have impacted their opinion.

Finally, I'll just say this: 2 times out of 3, when there is interracial murder, it's a black person killing a white person. Not the other way around. That's the reality.

[Origami]

Oh, you know just casually ignore Fisk's post which absolutely destroyed any racial argument for this thread.

[Sugaree]

It proves America is still racist like it is.

This is my husband irl
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=37

my parents did not want me marrying him because he was a white man and vice versa. Because I was black, his family still to this day hasn't accepted me. But i don't give a fuck.

News flash - no one gives a shit. So what, your family didn't want you to marry a white guy. Does that mean the entire country is racist? Also, it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, please stay on it. On a further note, I love how you completely ignored my post presenting you with actual hard facts.

[Trenton_]

I dont see you pointing out Zimmerman's past, he had a restraining order against him and also assaulted a cop, he must be a angel in your opinion right? 1


1 and 5 teenagers smoke pot, so dont even try to make that a arguing point because a lot of teens do it. The things that Trayvon did are what a lot of teenagers do, a lot of people our age do smoke pot. You even have presidents past and present who've admitted they've smoked pot, they must be thugs right?

Can you PLEASE stop stereotyping? Having a gold grill in your mouth automatically means your a thug?

You act like Trayvon Martin was the first teenager to

1.Smoke pot
2.Get suspended for fighting
3. Have a gold grill

If you get past your stereotypical views, maybe we can have a discussion.

From huffington post:

Kruidbos testified last month in a pre-trial hearing that he found photos on Martin's phone that included pictures of a pile of jewelry on a bed, underage nude females, marijuana plants and a hand holding a semi-automatic pistol.

To most people, those kinds of photos aren't those of a good person.

[Southside]

From huffington post:

Kruidbos testified last month in a pre-trial hearing that he found photos on Martin's phone that included pictures of a pile of jewelry on a bed, underage nude females, marijuana plants and a hand holding a semi-automatic pistol.

To most people, those kinds of photos aren't those of a good person.

What's wrong with having nice jewelry? Your again, stereotyping

Whats wrong with a hand holding a pistol? Dont we have a constitutional right to bare arms?

Marijauna? 1 and 5 Teenagers have admitted to pot use, so dont try to make his case special.

You act like boys dont send around nudes of girls, stop trying to demonize Trayvon. You sound like how the US media did Hugo Chavez..

Why havent you pointed out that Zimmerman attacked a police officer and had a restraining order against him? Your biased and I will say it again, stop stereotyping and maybe we can discuss our points and arguments.

[Sugaree]

What's wrong with having nice jewelry? Your again, stereotyping

Whats wrong with a hand holding a pistol? Dont we have a constitutional right to bare arms?

Marijauna? 1 and 5 Teenagers have admitted to pot use, so dont try to make his case special.

You act like boys dont send around nudes of girls, stop trying to demonize Trayvon. You sound like how the US media did Hugo Chavez..

Why havent you pointed out that Zimmerman attacked a police officer and had a restraining order against him? Your biased and I will say it again, stop stereotyping and maybe we can discuss our points and arguments.

Why can't I assume that something like nice jewelry is stolen? There's nothing wrong with owning nice jewelry, but why can't I have the assumption it might have been stolen? If Trayvon was white and had all that jewelry, he would be given the same treatment.

Why can't I also assume that a hand holding a semi-auto pistol can be threatening to my personal safety? Do I also not have the right to feel threatened by whoever is holding said pistol is black? If Trayvon was white, they'd do the same thing.

Why can't I think someone who smokes pot might be a bad person? Not all people who smoke it are bad, but why can't I make that assumption because Trayvon was black? If Trayvon was white, everyone would be demonizing him.

If he had pictures of underage nude girls on his phone, can I not also assume that he's a sexual deviant? That's not a good trait to have, yet to your logic, I can't say that because Trayvon was black and that would be racist.

See, this argument can go both ways. If Trayvon was white, I have no doubt the same thing would have happened. I also have no doubt that if Trayvon was white, he would be stereotyped as being "mentally unstable" as most white people who make the news are usually stereotyped. This attitude of "It's racist if you say that about a black person, but it's not if you say that about a white person" is getting old. Both of your points are stale as week old bread.

[Southside]

Why can't I assume that something like nice jewelry is stolen? There's nothing wrong with owning nice jewelry, but why can't I have the assumption it might have been stolen? If Trayvon was white and had all that jewelry, he would be given the same treatment.

Why can't I also assume that a hand holding a semi-auto pistol can be threatening to my personal safety? Do I also not have the right to feel threatened by whoever is holding said pistol is black? If Trayvon was white, they'd do the same thing.

Why can't I think someone who smokes pot might be a bad person? Not all people who smoke it are bad, but why can't I make that assumption because Trayvon was black? If Trayvon was white, everyone would be demonizing him.

If he had pictures of underage nude girls on his phone, can I not also assume that he's a sexual deviant? That's not a good trait to have, yet to your logic, I can't say that because Trayvon was black and that would be racist.

See, this argument can go both ways. If Trayvon was white, I have no doubt the same thing would have happened. I also have no doubt that if Trayvon was white, he would be stereotyped as being "mentally unstable" as most white people who make the news are usually stereotyped. This attitude of "It's racist if you say that about a black person, but it's not if you say that about a white person" is getting old. Both of your points are stale as week old bread.

Your making this into a race issue and it doesnt have to...I just dont like the fact that he pointed out all of Trayvon's imperfections but none of Zimmerman's imperfections were mentioned. You keep assuming "If Trayvon was white", if he was white, we wouldnt be discussing this right now.

So seeing a picture of a semi auto pistol is a threat to public safety? Damn, I guess I have to burn all of my Immortal Technique AK-47 shirts then..

If he was white, all of those things would have been overlooked, he would have just been another white kid.

[Sugaree]

So seeing a picture of a semi auto pistol is a threat to public safety? Damn, I guess I have to burn all of my Immortal Technique AK-47 shirts then..

Did I ever say that was a threat to public safety? I was just saying if I saw a picture of an individual holding a pistol in a threatening way, I would have a reasonable amount of fear of being around that kind of person. Pictures of weapons are not a threat to public safety, it's the way they are presented and used that ARE threats.

And you're right on many parts of your post. If Trayvon was white, chances are this wouldn't be an issue. But people don't want race to be an issue in this case when people can't help but bring it up. I'm simply stating that, since race is obviously something people can't help but look at in this case, stereotyping happens to all races, not just one in particular. Zimmerman and Trayvon were no angels, I'll agree to that much. But to act like stereotyping only happens to one ethnic group is a bit biased, don't you think?

Immortal Technique is pretty damn good too, so kudos to you for listening to him.

[Southside]

Did I ever say that was a threat to public safety? I was just saying if I saw a picture of an individual holding a pistol in a threatening way, I would have a reasonable amount of fear of being around that kind of person. Pictures of weapons are not a threat to public safety, it's the way they are presented and used that ARE threats.

And you're right on many parts of your post. If Trayvon was white, chances are this wouldn't be an issue. But people don't want race to be an issue in this case when people can't help but bring it up. I'm simply stating that, since race is obviously something people can't help but look at in this case, stereotyping happens to all races, not just one in particular. Zimmerman and Trayvon were no angels, I'll agree to that much. But to act like stereotyping only happens to one ethnic group is a bit biased, don't you think?

Immortal Technique is pretty damn good too, so kudos to you for listening to him.

Yes its biased, but the guy I replied to was clearly stereotyping Blacks as thugs, dont you think?

I agree with you on people like Jesse Jackson and the NAACP, they always want to make something into a race issue when its not. Though I cant complain much, Jesse Jackson's organization is paying for my sisters college tuition:P

Yeah..Tech is coming to Chicago on Sept 22, though everytime that guy comes it's at a fucking 18+ club or something. Im gonna message him on FB or whatever to see if he can get me in..:D

[Oath]

I don't feel like quoting different posts.

You don't know how old I am, when I got married and etc.

So take that into consideration.

Based on all the facts, and judging by the fact Zimmerman was an adult and Trayvon was a child, I have reason to believe that he is guilty and the only reason he wasn't guilty was because the jury were all female gun owners and not to mention they were white.

I just threw in the fact that I'm' in an interracial marriage to sort of put the sugar in tea if I may say.

And you ignored the facts I gave, so I shall do the same thing. Bullshit aside.

[Sugaree]

I don't feel like quoting different posts.

You don't know how old I am, when I got married and etc.

So take that into consideration.

Based on all the facts, and judging by the fact Zimmerman was an adult and Trayvon was a child, I have reason to believe that he is guilty and the only reason he wasn't guilty was because the jury were all female gun owners and not to mention they were white.

I just threw in the fact that I'm' in an interracial marriage to sort of put the sugar in tea if I may say.

And you ignored the facts I gave, so I shall do the same thing. Bullshit aside.

No, that's not how debating works. If you're going to pull that bullshit, then get the fuck out and don't come back.

[Walter Powers]

I don't feel like quoting different posts.

You don't know how old I am, when I got married and etc.

So take that into consideration.

Based on all the facts, and judging by the fact Zimmerman was an adult and Trayvon was a child, I have reason to believe that he is guilty and the only reason he wasn't guilty was because the jury were all female gun owners and not to mention they were white.

I just threw in the fact that I'm' in an interracial marriage to sort of put the sugar in tea if I may say.

And you ignored the facts I gave, so I shall do the same thing. Bullshit aside.

What facts? Do you have a witness?

"Reason to believe" is not good enough. If you know anything about your most fundamental American rights, in criminal cases you have to be proven of wrongdoing "beyond all reasonable doubt." Just because Zimmerman was an adult and Trayvon was only almost an adult does not mean Zimmerman is a murderer! You are being just plain riduculous and ignorant! Every reputable legal expert in the country agrees with this verdict!

The jury was selected totally fairly. You can't say that this isn't being prosecuted right either. Florida threw everything it had at Zimmerman. Nothing unfair went on in this trial. For the past couple weeks this case has been the jurys entire lives. They listened to the facts for days on end, and determined that there was nowhere near enough evidence to convict.

Stop buying into the media's propaganda. Are you watching too much MSNBC?

[Oath]

I don't watch MSNBC, I watch Headline News and CNN. :P

Anyways, what race are you before I continue to waste my time with your bullshit?

[Sugaree]

Anyways, what race are you before I continue to waste my time with your bullshit?

This goes to show that you, yourself, are racist. Asking what races we are before continuing with the debate is racist. Get out.

[Walter Powers]

I don't watch MSNBC, I watch Headline News and CNN. :P

Anyways, what race are you before I continue to waste my time with your bullshit?

Why does that matter? You are being raciest, because it shouldn't matter. You are being trivial. Now do you want to present evidence Zimmerman is guilty or continue to try to turn this into a race issue like it's 1950 in Alabama?

CNNs almost as bad with their coverage of this case.

[Trenton_]

What's wrong with having nice jewelry? Your again, stereotyping

Whats wrong with a hand holding a pistol? Dont we have a constitutional right to bare arms?

Marijauna? 1 and 5 Teenagers have admitted to pot use, so dont try to make his case special.

You act like boys dont send around nudes of girls, stop trying to demonize Trayvon. You sound like how the US media did Hugo Chavez..

Why havent you pointed out that Zimmerman attacked a police officer and had a restraining order against him? Your biased and I will say it again, stop stereotyping and maybe we can discuss our points and arguments.

I don't point out stuff on Zimmerman because he is an idiot and at least the media portrayed him appropriately.

As for Martin, they didn't because they were worried they'd upset the black community. Oh no! Well too bad. Martin was a scumbag.

Jewelry was stolen. What was going on in that community before the shooting? Burglary. What were they stealing? Jewelry. What's happened since Martin quit breathing? The burglaries stopped! That's not a coincidence.

Underage nude photos aren't a problem for the black community in your opinion? Well that's nice. You see, it's incredibly illegal. It's a crime. It's a crime of pedophiles. What's worse than that? Nothing! So in your warped world you think it's okay. It's not. Maybe it's cultural IDK. Normal girls wouldn't allow pictures of them like that to be taken and normal boys don't want to see hidden camera photos like that because it's sick. I guess the Negroid race has lower expectations and morals if you think kiddie porn is okay for Martin and other people like him.

Marijuana? That's another cultural thing. Negroids make up just over 12 percent of america, you say 20 percent of kids have used it, so that leaves only 8 percent. Again, lower the standards for Martin and all people like him. People complain that blacks are profiled, well, you're building a strong case on why they should be so far we got guns, stolen property, drugs, kiddie porn. I actually can't imagine a worse person at the age of 17 in the eyes of the law and that's not even mentioning his fighting and being suspended from school.

People like you want to prop up Martin like he was a good guy, an innocent child and normal. Well, if that's normal in the black culture and Martin is viewed a great guy, then that culture has lowered the bar so far that it's no wonder so many go to jail. Any one of those things would make Martin into a criminal, but look at it all! That's why people are upset with the trial because people defended TM like he was a normal kid, he's not. So is he normal in black culture then? Is that what we're supposed to believe? That all that stuff is okay?

That's fine if that's the case, but then don't complain when they get shot, shoot each other, go to jail, arrest records and can't find work because of their arrest records.

[Southside]

I don't point out stuff on Zimmerman because he is an idiot and at least the media portrayed him appropriately.

As for Martin, they didn't because they were worried they'd upset the black community. Oh no! Well too bad. Martin was a scumbag.

Jewelry was stolen. What was going on in that community before the shooting? Burglary. What were they stealing? Jewelry. What's happened since Martin quit breathing? The burglaries stopped! That's not a coincidence.

Underage nude photos aren't a problem for the black community in your opinion? Well that's nice. You see, it's incredibly illegal. It's a crime. It's a crime of pedophiles. What's worse than that? Nothing! So in your warped world you think it's okay. It's not. Maybe it's cultural IDK. Normal girls wouldn't allow pictures of them like that to be taken and normal boys don't want to see hidden camera photos like that because it's sick. I guess the Negroid race has lower expectations and morals if you think kiddie porn is okay for Martin and other people like him.

Marijuana? That's another cultural thing. Negroids make up just over 12 percent of america, you say 20 percent of kids have used it, so that leaves only 8 percent. Again, lower the standards for Martin and all people like him. People complain that blacks are profiled, well, you're building a strong case on why they should be so far we got guns, stolen property, drugs, kiddie porn. I actually can't imagine a worse person at the age of 17 in the eyes of the law and that's not even mentioning his fighting and being suspended from school.

People like you want to prop up Martin like he was a good guy, an innocent child and normal. Well, if that's normal in the black culture and Martin is viewed a great guy, then that culture has lowered the bar so far that it's no wonder so many go to jail. Any one of those things would make Martin into a criminal, but look at it all! That's why people are upset with the trial because people defended TM like he was a normal kid, he's not. So is he normal in black culture then? Is that what we're supposed to believe? That all that stuff is okay?

That's fine if that's the case, but then don't complain when they get shot, shoot each other, go to jail, arrest records and can't find work because of their arrest records.

You don't point that stuff out because your biased and racist as fuck. I don't like using the R Word that much but you sir are a racist.

No evidence was found that Trayvon stole the jewelry. Answer this list of question and I'm done with you..

Was Trayvon Martin the first teenager to:

Smoke Weed?

Hold possession of nudes?

Be suspended?

Have a picture of a gun?

Have a gold grill?

Get in a fight?

You will say "No" to all of those questions because teenagers no matter their race are smoking weed, sending nudes, fighting. Stop trying to act like Trayvon Martin was the first to do these things, stop demonizing. I can go on Reddit and see tons of teenage nudes right now(Im not that type of person though) of people of every race. I know plenty of people who are white or Hispanic who are blazing up weed everyday.

I have multiple shirts with AK-47's on them, I must be a threat to society in your opinion correct?

I'll quote 2pac on this one "Both Black & White is smoking crack tonight".

Maybe Trayvon was a bad kid, but on the specific night he was shot, he was simple out for a snack and walking home.

[Jean Poutine]

Reading this thread, I don't think any of you even knows what reasonable doubt is. It is more, much more than the sum of its parts.

[comical]

Anyone else see a trend here? This comes directly from the FBI, so it's not some conservative site trying to push an agenda. The trend is obvious: blacks are more likely to be killed by another black person than by a white person.


Black on Black crime is a result from White supremacy, poverty and self hate. No, I'm not making excuses for it because I think it's just as bad as any other crime. But it's the truth.

[Harry Smith]

Black on Black crime is a result from White supremacy, poverty and self hate. No, I'm not making excuses for it because I think it's just as bad as any other crime. But it's the truth.

Lol white supremacy? So in say Africa in 1500's before white people had settled their it was still through their supremacy that blacks were killed by each other. Your statement is a massive generalization

[comical]

Lol white supremacy? So in say Africa in 1500's before white people had settled their it was still through their supremacy that blacks were killed by each other. Your statement is a massive generalization

He posted a statistic from the FBI, a statistic created from the American population not 16th Century Africa.

[Harry Smith]

He posted a statistic from the FBI, a statistic created from the American population not 16th Century Africa.

Black on Black crime isn't exclusive to America mate, you also can't blame it on white people alone, that makes you very narrow minded indeed

[Sugaree]

Black on Black crime is a result from White supremacy, poverty and self hate. No, I'm not making excuses for it because I think it's just as bad as any other crime. But it's the truth.

Still blaming whitey, I see? I can blame black people for all my race's problems too.

[comical]

Black on Black crime isn't exclusive to America mate, you also can't blame it on white people alone, that makes you very narrow minded indeed

He posted an American statistic, so I responded about America. If he were to post a chart with the statistics taken from a global population, then we could of responded to it with a global reference. America does not speak for the world, Harry. Since you're from Britain, I thought you would know that.

Also, please learn a vocabulary term. White supremacy isn't all white people. Why do you always get offended whenever I speak on White supremacy? Excuse me for making assumptions, but your insecurity is making me think you're a White supremacist.

Still blaming whitey, I see? I can blame black people for all my race's problems too.

White supremacy isn't white people. Are you a white supremacist?

[Sugaree]

White supremacy isn't white people. Are you a white supremacist?

That's a nice assumption you just made. Are you a black supremacist?

[comical]

That's a nice assumption you just made. Are you a black supremacist?


Didn't make an assumption, I asked a question. Contrary to what you may think, no I am not a Black supremacist.

[Emerald Dream]

Let's stop taking little shots at each other, and get back on-topic please.

[Oath]

I am not a racist. I'm proud of my black heritage. My husband is white and I'm black.

[Walter Powers]

I am not a racist. I'm proud of my black heritage. My husband is white and I'm black.

It's great to be proud of your heritage, but you were asking what race we were, like it mattered to our position on this case.

Bottom line is you can't prove Zimmerman murdered Martin, so justice has been done. Case closed. We don't need anymore violent protests in Oakland or anywhere else.

[Sugaree]

I am not a racist. I'm proud of my black heritage. My husband is white and I'm black.

Yeah you are. Blacks can be racists too, yknow. Before you wanted to continue this little conversation, you wanted to know what my race was. If that's not racist, then me not wanting to talk to you because you're black wouldn't be racist either. It's fine to be proud of your heritage; in fact, it's great. No one cares if your husband is white and you're black, so stop bringing that up because it's not impressing us.

[comical]

Yeah you are. Blacks can be racists too, yknow. Before you wanted to continue this little conversation, you wanted to know what my race was. If that's not racist, then me not wanting to talk to you because you're black wouldn't be racist either. It's fine to be proud of your heritage; in fact, it's great. No one cares if your husband is white and you're black, so stop bringing that up because it's not impressing us.


I haven't been paying attention to you all's conversation, but reading that little synopsis you gave, you sound racist.

Just because she asked what race you are doesn't mean she is racist. Can't the lady ask a question? You not wanting to talk to someone because they're Black is dumb and racist.

[Emerald Dream]

Since this thread does not look to be going back on topic at all, and has been degraded to people calling each other racist - I think we're pretty much done with it. :locked: