George Zimmerman found not guilty for the murder of Trayvon Martin

[Neptune]

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) -- Jurors have found George Zimmerman not guilty of second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The six-member, all-woman jury deliberated for more than 15 hours over two days before reaching their decision Saturday night.

They had been given the chance to convict Zimmerman of manslaughter but did not do so, despite asking for a clarification of the charge earlier in the evening.

After hearing the verdict, Judge Debra Nelson told Zimmerman he was free to go.

Jurors heard two different portraits of Zimmerman and had to decide whether he was a wannabe cop who took the law into his own hands or a well-meaning neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed teenager in self-defense because he feared for his life.

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[Southside]

Fuck our justice system, thats all I can say.

[Camazotz]

Both men were in the wrong, and ultimately Trayvon Martin paid the price. I don't know if justice prevailed (I don't know enough about the case, and I have a personal bias toward one side), but I will say that this shouldn't be a happy "victory". It's a shame that a young man died due to suspicions and stubbornness by Zimmerman, but the evidence seemed to indicate that Martin initiated the violence, so I can't say either side was justified. Just an end to a sad story.

[Jess]

No comment. Not sure if I wanted him to be found guilty or not :/

[LouBerry]

I honestly have no opinion over who is guilty. I don't really think you can know exactly who was wrong or right.

[tanbrian]

Hey, if you follow someone and bring a gun along, and that kid gets dead, then shouldn't you be guilty? I mean you went out with a gun to follow someone, and then you wind up shooting him. I don't get it.

[teen.jpg]

Allow me to go vomit, cry, and scream. And then proceed to move to Canada.

Have a good day!

[HUSTLEMAN]

Welcome to America everybody. Where people can get off scot-free for murder, when ALL of the evidence points to a murder.

[WaffleSingSong]

I just do not understand why people need to make Trayvon Martin another Rodney King. There is no proof that he was killed because of race, do you have any legit proof like Zimmerman being liked to Neo Nazis or the KKK? No? Well then, shut up.

[Phinks]

I just do not understand why people need to make Trayvon Martin another Rodney King. There is no proof that he was killed because of race, do you have any legit proof like Zimmerman being liked to Neo Nazis or the KKK? No? Well then, shut up.

It's that he was profiled.
And you don't have to be a Nazi or in the KKK to be racist or prejudice.

[teen.jpg]

I just do not understand why people need to make Trayvon Martin another Rodney King. There is no proof that he was killed because of race, do you have any legit proof like Zimmerman being liked to Neo Nazis or the KKK? No? Well then, shut up.

If there races were reversed, I'm pretty sure Zimmerman would've been guilty.

[Foamy]

Yet another disappointment brought on by the "faithful" justice system. Sometimes I reallllly question how legit America really is. And by that I don't just mean Obama and his plans for whatever the hell he does. I just mean cases like this where a mans life is in the hands of six people who allegdly do not have any bias or outside knowledge of the case. Bunch of bull, but whatever.

[Dark Blue]

Excluding race (which is another issue), I do believe he should have been found guilty for at least manslaughter. Unfortunately Trayvon Martin received no justice. Justice or not it wouldn't have brought him back. That's Americas justice system for you.

[Sugaree]

Fuck our justice system, thats all I can say.

Allow me to go vomit, cry, and scream. And then proceed to move to Canada.

Have a good day!

Welcome to America everybody. Where people can get off scot-free for murder, when ALL of the evidence points to a murder.

Yet another disappointment brought on by the "faithful" justice system. Sometimes I reallllly question how legit America really is. And by that I don't just mean Obama and his plans for whatever the hell he does. I just mean cases like this where a mans life is in the hands of six people who allegdly do not have any bias or outside knowledge of the case. Bunch of bull, but whatever.

Excluding race (which is another issue), I do believe he should have been found guilty for at least manslaughter. Unfortunately Trayvon Martin received no justice. Justice or not it wouldn't have brought him back. That's Americas justice system for you.

Do any of you know how whiny you sound? WAAAAAH NO JUSTICE NO PEACE WAAAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH. Get over it. Shit like this happens every day, why is this case so special? If you really cared about the apparent corruption and racism inherent in the justice system, then you'd care about the thousands of children, be they 17 like Trayvon or older/younger, are taken too soon from their families every day. I don't see their stories on TV or the newspaper. But lord forbid ONE black kid gets shot by a half-white guy. All of you are shills and know it.

Both men were in the wrong, and ultimately Trayvon Martin paid the price. I don't know if justice prevailed (I don't know enough about the case, and I have a personal bias toward one side), but I will say that this shouldn't be a happy "victory". It's a shame that a young man died due to suspicions and stubbornness by Zimmerman, but the evidence seemed to indicate that Martin initiated the violence, so I can't say either side was justified. Just an end to a sad story.

This is, perhaps, the only opinion I agree with (sans the bias part; I have no preconceived bias of either side). This was just the final chapter to a sad story, and we need to leave it at that. The court has done its job, and whether or not it was wrong in its decision is up to public debate.

[World Eater]

I'm just glad this boring show is done with. Fuck 'em both. NEXT!

[teen.jpg]

Do any of you know how whiny you sound? WAAAAAH NO JUSTICE NO PEACE WAAAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH. Get over it. Shit like this happens every day, why is this case so special? If you really cared about the apparent corruption and racism inherent in the justice system, then you'd care about the thousands of children, be they 17 like Trayvon or older/younger, are taken too soon from their families every day. I don't see their stories on TV or the newspaper. But lord forbid ONE black kid gets shot by a half-white guy. All of you are shills and know it.



This is, perhaps, the only opinion I agree with (sans the bias part; I have no preconceived bias of either side). This was just the final chapter to a sad story, and we need to leave it at that. The court has done its job, and whether or not it was wrong in its decision is up to public debate.

Who said we DON'T care about all the other kids who've been killed? Even though it happens everyday, that doesn't make it any less sad.

The reason why we're talking about the Trayvon case is because it made it's way into mainstream media. But I still want justice for every other kid who went through the same situation. I just don't know about them so I can't personally say it.

[josh_9]

All the people that want to be murderers are gonna move down here to Florida. Woman gets off for killing her own daughter and then a man gets proven not guilty for killing an innocent stranger minding his own business because the man is a racist jerk.

[Sugaree]

Who said we DON'T care about all the other kids who've been killed? Even though it happens everyday, that doesn't make it any less sad.

The reason why we're talking about the Trayvon case is because it made it's way into mainstream media. But I still want justice for every other kid who went through the same situation. I just don't know about them so I can't personally say it.

Then why aren't you using the forward momentum that this story has provided to push that view out there? Why aren't people saying "Yeah, this happened once, it happens every day. We need to find a way to stop it." No, instead they all cry over how it's all the fault of racism. Seriously, where does the priority lie with you people? If there was such shared concern for kids being killed, why don't we hear more about it? Sure, the occasional news story about a kid dying in some horrible accident might pop up, but never have I seen a large amount of stories of kids being killed by their parents or another adult.

Bottom line: Either show you care or don't say you care. If you aren't showing it, you shouldn't be thus entitled to say you DO care.

[teen.jpg]

Then why aren't you using the forward momentum that this story has provided to push that view out there? Why aren't people saying "Yeah, this happened once, it happens every day. We need to find a way to stop it." No, instead they all cry over how it's all the fault of racism. Seriously, where does the priority lie with you people? If there was such shared concern for kids being killed, why don't we hear more about it? Sure, the occasional news story about a kid dying in some horrible accident might pop up, but never have I seen a large amount of stories of kids being killed by their parents or another adult.

Bottom line: Either show you care or don't say you care. If you aren't showing it, you shouldn't be thus entitled to say you DO care.

So you're saying we shouldn't care at all? Nobody has the time to spend it sending support to families with dead kids, we have lives. But when it becomes something mainstream, we take the time out to speak about it, because it's the time we NEED to.

[Dark Blue]

Do any of you know how whiny you sound? WAAAAAH NO JUSTICE NO PEACE WAAAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH. Get over it. Shit like this happens every day, why is this case so special? If you really cared about the apparent corruption and racism inherent in the justice system, then you'd care about the thousands of children, be they 17 like Trayvon or older/younger, are taken too soon from their families every day. I don't see their stories on TV or the newspaper. But lord forbid ONE black kid gets shot by a half-white guy. All of you are shills and know it.



This is, perhaps, the only opinion I agree with (sans the bias part; I have no preconceived bias of either side). This was just the final chapter to a sad story, and we need to leave it at that. The court has done its job, and whether or not it was wrong in its decision is up to public debate.

Nobody is whining, its not about race, its not about BLACK, WHITE, BLUE, HALFTHIS HALF THAT. And ONE is enough of anything in regards to human life. When the media puts something in headlights of course everyone gravitates to that, but lives that are lost EVERYDAY should still be prayed for. I don't know what your problem is, but stop acting butt hurt that people actually care about the victim.

[Oath]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me6x59usH71qk1utro1_500.gif

He's gonna get his. God always gets the bad guys.

Look at OJ.

[Quahog]

Feel sorry for his parents.

Judging by his older brother who is about to graduate from college, he definitely wasn't a thug like everyone is saying he was.

[HUSTLEMAN]

Who said we DON'T care about all the other kids who've been killed? Even though it happens everyday, that doesn't make it any less sad.

The reason why we're talking about the Trayvon case is because it made it's way into mainstream media. But I still want justice for every other kid who went through the same situation. I just don't know about them so I can't personally say it.

^^^ This

[Southside]

Do any of you know how whiny you sound? WAAAAAH NO JUSTICE NO PEACE WAAAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH. Get over it. Shit like this happens every day, why is this case so special? If you really cared about the apparent corruption and racism inherent in the justice system, then you'd care about the thousands of children, be they 17 like Trayvon or older/younger, are taken too soon from their families every day. I don't see their stories on TV or the newspaper. But lord forbid ONE black kid gets shot by a half-white guy. All of you are shills and know it.



This is, perhaps, the only opinion I agree with (sans the bias part; I have no preconceived bias of either side). This was just the final chapter to a sad story, and we need to leave it at that. The court has done its job, and whether or not it was wrong in its decision is up to public debate.

What if a black kid shot a white guy? Both Travyon and Zimmerman were in the wrong in my opinion, im not a Trayvon dickrider because both of them are guilty. Zimmerman shouldnt have got out of his car and NONE OF THIS would have happened. Trayvon probably did attack him once he was approached, so he was wrong on that note.

You want to go into the race issue ? Why did everyone get butthurt and people set up memorial funds when a white school got shot up in Connecticut?

Wheres the memorial fund for the 512 shot dead in Chicago? Where's the political outcry for those people? Wheres the prayer vigil for them? Racism is both ways my friend....

My only point on the Zimmerman case is, if Zimmerman would have followed police dispatcher directions, Trayvon probably would have been alive today. Though, he wanted to act like a wannabe cop. Im not bias, thats the dead truth of the case in my eyes.

[Sugaree]

So you're saying we shouldn't care at all? Nobody has the time to spend it sending support to families with dead kids, we have lives. But when it becomes something mainstream, we take the time out to speak about it, because it's the time we NEED to.

So it's only worth taking the time to talk about it once its mainstream? That's a pretty fucked up attitude to take. "Oh, so your kid got shot? I'm real sorry for that but I can only talk about it if it's a mainstream topic."

Nobody is whining, its not about race, its not about BLACK, WHITE, BLUE, HALFTHIS HALF THAT. And ONE is enough of anything in regards to human life. When the media puts something in headlights of course everyone gravitates to that, but lives that are lost EVERYDAY should still be prayed for. I don't know what your problem is, but stop acting butt hurt that people actually care about the victim.

Then why does the African-American community allow jerk offs like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to run their mouths about how this is all racism?


My only point on the Zimmerman case is, if Zimmerman would have followed police dispatcher directions, Trayvon probably would have been alive today. Though, he wanted to act like a wannabe cop. Im not bias, thats the dead truth of the case in my eyes.

Aside from the obvious racial implications in the Zimmerman case, the other major issue is these barbaric, Wild West-styled gun laws. This "stand your ground" bullshit Florida has pulled is complete lunacy. If I were to believe the so called "legal experts" that I've heard in the last several weeks, the jury had no other choice but to acquit this sad excuse of a man. And if that is true, the real problem is with the laws, not the person. I highly doubt Zimmerman went into the situation planning to kill Trayvon, but had he not been packing heat, he might not have had the nerve to create the situation in the first place. He would have called the police, stayed in his car, whined about "fucking punks" and gone home. The Martins would still have their son today if that happened. But fear not, because George Zimmerman is not a truly free man. For the rest of his life, he is condemned to be a prisoner in his own skin.

[Phinks]

So it's only worth taking the time to talk about it once its mainstream? That's a pretty fucked up attitude to take. "Oh, so your kid got shot? I'm real sorry for that but I can only talk about it if it's a mainstream topic."


This case tackles civil rights, gun rights, and self defense laws all at the same.
Which other case does that?
And quote someone here saying we can't talk about other cases because they're not mainstream. Stop putting words in people's mouths.

[Kameraden]

Zimmerman isn't white -- don't taint my eyes by once again saying he is. Also realize that if Trayvon was Trevor, not black but white, this would barely scratch the local news. Black people think they're so oppressed, it's ridiculous.

[Dark Blue]

So it's only worth taking the time to talk about it once its mainstream? That's a pretty fucked up attitude to take. "Oh, so your kid got shot? I'm real sorry for that but I can only talk about it if it's a mainstream topic."



Then why does the African-American community allow jerk offs like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to run their mouths about how this is all racism?



Aside from the obvious racial implications in the Zimmerman case, the other major issue is these barbaric, Wild West-styled gun laws. This "stand your ground" bullshit Florida has pulled is complete lunacy. If I were to believe the so called "legal experts" that I've heard in the last several weeks, the jury had no other choice but to acquit this sad excuse of a man. And if that is true, the real problem is with the laws, not the person. I highly doubt Zimmerman went into the situation planning to kill Trayvon, but had he not been packing heat, he might not have had the nerve to create the situation in the first place. He would have called the police, stayed in his car, whined about "fucking punks" and gone home. The Martins would still have their son today if that happened. But fear not, because George Zimmerman is not a truly free man. For the rest of his life, he is condemned to be a prisoner in his own skin.

Your guess is as good as mine, but as a apart of the "African-American Community" I say that anyone labeling and debating this topic from a racial standpoint is ludicrous. So am I now excluded from this community because of my beliefs orrrrr?

[Trenton_]

Excluding race (which is another issue), I do believe he should have been found guilty for at least manslaughter. Unfortunately Trayvon Martin received no justice. /QUOTE]

Sharpton and blacks force the DA to bring the case to trial when they said there was no case so he did it anyway to shut people up. So blacks got the trial they wanted, but were advised against and then when they lost, like the DA knew they would because of the laws there, blacks are mad. That's just stupid. Nothing racial about it other than from the blacks. You don't hear latinos crying about it for months now do we? No.



[QUOTE=josh_9;2393788]All the people that want to be murderers are gonna move down here to Florida. Woman gets off for killing her own daughter and then a man gets proven not guilty for killing an innocent stranger minding his own business because the man is a racist jerk.

He wasn't a racist if he was, the DA could have gone for a hate crime, but you didn't pay attention or comprehend the story did you? Because you just go with the tripe the liberal media is trying to get out there and it's ratings. Fire up the blacks with making the case about the perception of race when it isn't. Then upon verdict, watch society react. Riots? Talk shows, News etc. it's about money and black were told by the media that they had a case, when they didn't.




What if a black kid shot a white guy? Both Travyon and Zimmerman were in the wrong in my opinion, im not a Trayvon dickrider because both of them are guilty. Zimmerman shouldnt have got out of his car and NONE OF THIS would have happened. Trayvon probably did attack him once he was approached, so he was wrong on that note.

You want to go into the race issue ? Why did everyone get butthurt and people set up memorial funds when a white school got shot up in Connecticut?

Those kids were completely innocent.

Wheres the memorial fund for the 512 shot dead in Chicago? Where's the political outcry for those people? Wheres the prayer vigil for them? Racism is both ways my friend....

Many of those shot dead weren't completely innocent, almost all of them actually unless there was bullet randomly killing someone. Chicago is about drug turf. If ya get killed while being part of the drug culture, that's the risk you take.


My only point on the Zimmerman case is, if Zimmerman would have followed police dispatcher directions, Trayvon probably would have been alive today. Though, he wanted to act like a wannabe cop. Im not bias, thats the dead truth of the case in my eyes.

And if Martin didn't hit someone he'd be alive yada yada yada. Or if Martin was doing his homework because he wasn't kicked out of school for fighting... Martin isn't an innocent great little black kid that the media wants us to think he is. He was punk. Now he's a dead punk. His parents raised him that way and allowed him to be that way. Listen to the dad speak. Room temperature IQ.

Zimmerman isn't white -- don't taint my eyes by once again saying he is. Also realize that if Trayvon was Trevor, not black but white, this would barely scratch the local news. Black people think they're so oppressed, it's ridiculous.

YAY! Sharpton and Media and Blacks and even on this board with "well if he was white..."

Well no one is white in this one. I'm white. Bill Clinton is white. That's white. This was between the Latinos and Blacks, but that was ignored by sharpton and the media and the blacks because that's not a story people care about, so they spun it into everyone is against the black man.

What a load of shit that is. Black mans biggest enemy is other black men. Black men do more harm to the black race than anyone else because they kids with several different women and then walk away. And the poor single moms are out there tryin to raise their kids in a violent drug culture and it's more than one person can do.

I'm so glad I'm not black, if I was, I'd be so pissed at Sharpton or any other idiot spewing racism or saying martin was some "child". He was a piece of crap thug that was booted out of school, gold teeth, into drugs, stolen jewlry in his dresser, so he's a thief. Also had a gun, but didn't have it with him.

He was a crappy person period. I don't think zimmerman is a good guy either, but let's not act like some innocent kid got gakked. If it wasn't zimmerman it woulda been someone else soon enough.

[Dark Blue]

[QUOTE=Dark Blue;2393716]Excluding race (which is another issue), I do believe he should have been found guilty for at least manslaughter. Unfortunately Trayvon Martin received no justice. /QUOTE]

Sharpton and blacks force the DA to bring the case to trial when they said there was no case so he did it anyway to shut people up. So blacks got the trial they wanted, but were advised against and then when they lost, like the DA knew they would because of the laws there, blacks are mad. That's just stupid. Nothing racial about it other than from the blacks. You don't hear latinos crying about it for months now do we? No.




He wasn't a racist if he was, the DA could have gone for a hate crime, but you didn't pay attention or comprehend the story did you? Because you just go with the tripe the liberal media is trying to get out there and it's ratings. Fire up the blacks with making the case about the perception of race when it isn't. Then upon verdict, watch society react. Riots? Talk shows, News etc. it's about money and black were told by the media that they had a case, when they didn't.



And if Martin didn't hit someone he'd be alive yada yada yada. Or if Martin was doing his homework because he wasn't kicked out of school for fighting... Martin isn't an innocent great little black kid that the media wants us to think he is. He was punk. Now he's a dead punk. His parents raised him that way and allowed him to be that way. Listen to the dad speak. Room temperature IQ.



YAY! Sharpton and Media and Blacks and even on this board with "well if he was white..."

Well no one is white in this one. I'm white. Bill Clinton is white. That's white. This was between the Latinos and Blacks, but that was ignored by sharpton and the media and the blacks because that's not a story people care about, so they spun it into everyone is against the black man.

What a load of shit that is. Black mans biggest enemy is other black men. Black men do more harm to the black race than anyone else because they kids with several different women and then walk away. And the poor single moms are out there tryin to raise their kids in a violent drug culture and it's more than one person can do.

I'm so glad I'm not black, if I was, I'd be so pissed at Sharpton or any other idiot spewing racism or saying martin was some "child". He was a piece of crap thug that was booted out of school, gold teeth, into drugs, stolen jewlry in his dresser, so he's a thief. Also had a gun, but didn't have it with him.

He was a crappy person period. I don't think zimmerman is a good guy either, but let's not act like some innocent kid got gakked. If it wasn't zimmerman it woulda been someone else soon enough.

Nothing much to say here other than stop swinging the word blacks around like its all of us, when its not really. I do agree though, I'm glad it went to trial, I'm glad they argued until the end but I know strong "black" media influences are doing their thing and getting people riled up.

Zimmerman may not be racist but he made racial remarks, that was known from the very start of the case by a police dispatcher. And I paid attention. The case became that but it shouldn't have been to be honest, the race card is old and worn out. People can't comprehend much other than race and its not just black people, white people all the time profile, stereotype and are ignorant in regards to race, same goes for Asian, Latino etc. People can't get over seeing black and white, its ridiculous.

What your implying is that because people make dull decisions in their life its okay for them to be shot down and receive no compassion, or at least that's what I'm getting. Trayvon wasn't an angel by any means, hell, but he resembles a strong part of the youth these days, love it or hate it, white black, blue, green, yellow, red, some teens of this age are 'punks'. But that doesn't mean they should get shot and receive no empathy. That was someone's kid, best friend, nephew etc. and justice shouldn't be served and people shouldn't empathize for them. What if he had been planning to straighten out, we'll never know.

And Martin was a child, I was kind of on your side until you started with the stereotyping, not even going to touch what you said about black men and their children. Won't even go there, it just helps to prove my point.

[Southside]

[QUOTE=Dark Blue;2393716]Excluding race (which is another issue), I do believe he should have been found guilty for at least manslaughter. Unfortunately Trayvon Martin received no justice. /QUOTE]

Sharpton and blacks force the DA to bring the case to trial when they said there was no case so he did it anyway to shut people up. So blacks got the trial they wanted, but were advised against and then when they lost, like the DA knew they would because of the laws there, blacks are mad. That's just stupid. Nothing racial about it other than from the blacks. You don't hear latinos crying about it for months now do we? No.





He wasn't a racist if he was, the DA could have gone for a hate crime, but you didn't pay attention or comprehend the story did you? Because you just go with the tripe the liberal media is trying to get out there and it's ratings. Fire up the blacks with making the case about the perception of race when it isn't. Then upon verdict, watch society react. Riots? Talk shows, News etc. it's about money and black were told by the media that they had a case, when they didn't.






And if Martin didn't hit someone he'd be alive yada yada yada. Or if Martin was doing his homework because he wasn't kicked out of school for fighting... Martin isn't an innocent great little black kid that the media wants us to think he is. He was punk. Now he's a dead punk. His parents raised him that way and allowed him to be that way. Listen to the dad speak. Room temperature IQ.



YAY! Sharpton and Media and Blacks and even on this board with "well if he was white..."

Well no one is white in this one. I'm white. Bill Clinton is white. That's white. This was between the Latinos and Blacks, but that was ignored by sharpton and the media and the blacks because that's not a story people care about, so they spun it into everyone is against the black man.

What a load of shit that is. Black mans biggest enemy is other black men. Black men do more harm to the black race than anyone else because they kids with several different women and then walk away. And the poor single moms are out there tryin to raise their kids in a violent drug culture and it's more than one person can do.

I'm so glad I'm not black, if I was, I'd be so pissed at Sharpton or any other idiot spewing racism or saying martin was some "child". He was a piece of crap thug that was booted out of school, gold teeth, into drugs, stolen jewlry in his dresser, so he's a thief. Also had a gun, but didn't have it with him.

He was a crappy person period. I don't think zimmerman is a good guy either, but let's not act like some innocent kid got gakked. If it wasn't zimmerman it woulda been someone else soon enough.

How was Trayvon a crappy person? Ok, he smoked a couple blunts but your acting like he was the first teenager in history to blaze up some weed. He wore his hat backwards and took pictures with his middle finger up like many teenagers do, hes automatically a crappy person? My uncle has a gold grill, hes a crappy person in your opinion right? Stop stereotyping please!

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=9162296

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-06-06/news/chi-teen-shot-in-chest-on-south-side-20130605_1_9-year-old-boy-mother-mommy

Many of the people being shot in Chicago are school aged children, just as innocent as the ones shot in Newtown. They dont matter because they are minorities of course..

[Dark Blue]

[QUOTE=Trenton_;2394814]

How was Trayvon a crappy person? Ok, he smoked a couple blunts but your acting like he was the first teenager in history to blaze up some weed. He wore his hat backwards and took pictures with his middle finger up like many teenagers do, hes automatically a crappy person? My uncle has a gold grill, hes a crappy person in your opinion right? Stop stereotyping please!

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=9162296

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-06-06/news/chi-teen-shot-in-chest-on-south-side-20130605_1_9-year-old-boy-mother-mommy

Many of the people being shot in Chicago are school aged children, just as innocent as the ones shot in Newtown. They dont matter because they are minorities of course..

Quoted the wrong person buddy. I'm on your side :P

[Southside]

[QUOTE=SouthsidePro;2394879]

Quoted the wrong person buddy. I'm on your side :P

My bad, the post are so long that I got lost..

[teen.jpg]

So it's only worth taking the time to talk about it once its mainstream? That's a pretty fucked up attitude to take. "Oh, so your kid got shot? I'm real sorry for that but I can only talk about it if it's a mainstream topic."

News flash: I WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE IT IF I KNEW IT HAPPENED. There's no possible way I would know every single kid that gets killed, so I'm not able to speak about what happened. But everytime the media sheds some light on it, then I'm able to personally speak on it.

If I knew someone that's been through what you said in that obviously exaggerated and ignorant quote you put, then yes I would say something.

Next time read everything I type, and not take my words out of context.

[xXl0sth0peXx]

this thread is not a debate, so let's leave it at that.

None of us were there. None of us know the full story. None of us hears the whole trial. Therefore, none of us can really say.

Of course, I think he was guilty, however the court saw something else that I don't. I guess it's the right verdict, because there's no option not to be. Hating on the US justice system won't do didly squat.

[Phinks]

this thread is not a debate, so let's leave it at that.

None of us were there. None of us know the full story. None of us hears the whole trial. Therefore, none of us can really say.

Of course, I think he was guilty, however the court saw something else that I don't. I guess it's the right verdict, because there's no option not to be. Hating on the US justice system won't do didly squat.

Based on Zimmerman's story though, it still should have been manslaughter. A broken nose and a few bruises doesn't warrant a shot to the chest.
Because of this jury's verdict, now anyone can pull a gun in a fight, no matter who started it, if they think they'll lose. It's ridiculous.

[LouBerry]

I don't want to impose on any of the debates going on here, but I just have to show you guys what this girl said on Facebook about the case.

"No need to riot or do anything violent or stupid based on what we all witnessed tonight. It's clearly a conspiracy and you best believe that's what they want us to do. My theory of what they want is for us to wipe each other out, and incarcerate as many of us as possible. We are the strongest among the human race, and we are just as important as the rich, and the whites and the only reason we are considered "Minorities" is because the MAJORITY of us are incarcerated, deceased, addicted to drugs, poor, uneducated, or not motivated. It's up to us to make a difference, be a difference and make our voices heard when it comes to justice. God is 1 judge that WILL give us ALL a real fair trial."

I think I almost died.

[awesomeguy516]

hooray for the american legal system

[Inzanethingy]

The thing almost all you guys dont understand is that he was found innocent of MURDER (going out with the intent on killing somebody). They should of went after him for MANSLAUGHTER (negligence leading to somebodies death) then he would of went to jail. Also guys race had nothing to do with this its just the media trying to make it seem that way. Research these things outside of tv it becomes clearer

[pineinchneis]

if you kill someone, regardless of supposed 'self defense' you should be punished. full stop.

[Sugaree]

The thing almost all you guys dont understand is that he was found innocent of MURDER (going out with the intent on killing somebody). They should of went after him for MANSLAUGHTER (negligence leading to somebodies death) then he would of went to jail. Also guys race had nothing to do with this its just the media trying to make it seem that way. Research these things outside of tv it becomes clearer

Except he's not innocent in any count. We know he killed Trayvon, it's just a matter of whether or not the intent was there to support a first degree murder charge.

[Dominic Aesch7]

The verdict irritated me so much. That's all I'm gonna say because some nasty words are going through my mind. He did racially profile trayvon because he stopped many other african Americans according to the news. The prosecution never showed it which is so stupid because a guilty person got off.

[Emerald Dream]

Honestly, they both made poor choices that night. Whether Zimmerman should have followed Trayvon Martin or not is questionable. Has anyone who is crying for Trayvon or thinks that everyone should feel sorry for him considered this though -

If Zimmerman does not shoot him, or even if Trayvon survives the gunshot wound...one of three things is most definitely going to happen:

1. Trayvon is charged with aggravated assault against Zimmerman.
2. Trayvon is charged with attempted murder against Zimmerman.
3. Trayvon is charged with murder against Zimmerman.

It's not like Trayvon was defending himself against Zimmerman. If that was the case then he would have punched him once or twice and then ran. The evidence supported that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and pummeling him. So that pretty much blows his innocence right out of the water right there.

It's completely ridiculous to turn this into a racial issue. It's pretty much a non-factor in self defense.

And yeah, I'm not really crying about it. I won't go so far as to say that he brought it on himself, but very poor decisions were made that night.

[Southside]

Honestly, they both made poor choices that night. Whether Zimmerman should have followed Trayvon Martin or not is questionable. Has anyone who is crying for Trayvon or thinks that everyone should feel sorry for him considered this though -

If Zimmerman does not shoot him, or even if Trayvon survives the gunshot wound...one of three things is most definitely going to happen:

1. Trayvon is charged with aggravated assault against Zimmerman.
2. Trayvon is charged with attempted murder against Zimmerman.
3. Trayvon is charged with murder against Zimmerman.

It's not like Trayvon was defending himself against Zimmerman. If that was the case then he would have punched him once or twice and then ran. The evidence supported that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and pummeling him. So that pretty much blows his innocence right out of the water right there.

It's completely ridiculous to turn this into a racial issue. It's pretty much a non-factor in self defense.

And yeah, I'm not really crying about it. I won't go so far as to say that he brought it on himself, but very poor decisions were made that night.

Didnt Trayvon have a right to defend himself under the Stand Your Ground law? Maybe he saw Zimmerman as a threat, under the law he had a right to defend himself. I dont think Trayvon made any poor choices that night, just a teen walking home from a convenience store with some snacks.

It's not questionable, the police dispatcher directed Zimmerman not to get out of his car, he wanted to be a badass. If he had followed the directions of the police dispatcher we wouldnt be having this conversation and Trayvon would probably be alive today.

You can look at any thing else in the case but I believe it all comes down to George Zimmerman not following the directions of the police dispatcher.

I will agree with you that the media turned it into a race debate, which I dont believe it was. Zimmerman didnt racially profile Trayvon Martin, he criminally profiled him.

[Emerald Dream]

Didnt Trayvon have a right to defend himself under the Stand Your Ground law?

Defend? Yes.

Beat the shit out of? No.

Like I said, he could have ran if he felt threatened. I hardly doubt he knew that Zimmerman had a gun on him, or he wouldn't have jumped on him and beat him. Not many people are that stupid.

Yes, I agree that Zimmerman is guilty of failing to heed police instructions...and he should be charged for that. But initiating a confrontation/argument with Trayvon (which was wrong) does NOT justify Trayvon beating the shit out of him.

A lot of people are thinking with their heart, and not their head.

[Manjusri]

So it's only worth taking the time to talk about it once its mainstream? That's a pretty fucked up attitude to take. "Oh, so your kid got shot? I'm real sorry for that but I can only talk about it if it's a mainstream topic."

Either your intentions were to be an ignorant asshole to the actual meaning behind his statement or you're just trying to rustle some jimmies. He was stating that he does not know of any other cases because they are not publicized enough. And as it is seemingly impossible to be omnipotent with every criminal investigation or murder going on all across the globe - let alone the united states - I entirely agree with his statement. Open your eyes please.

Why has no one brought up the sunset / sunrise times of Florida in late February? Is it just me or does that seem to be overlooked entirely when it comes to "racial profiling" on Zimmerman's end.

Sunset on February 26, 2012 = 18:23 EST.

Approx. time of Martin being shot = 19:09 EST.

That is 46 minutes after sunset, which is plenty of time for it to get dark out. Also this was in a neighborhood with trees, houses, all of which could cast shadows obstructing Zimmerman's view even more. So with this in mind, how could Zimmerman have accurately profiled Martin with it being dark out? Also, Martin was last seen wearing a hood. Night time + shadows + hood + eye distance view from a truck = Nearly impossible to accurately profile Martin.

Can we please, please, stop making this a race discussion? It's disappointing.

Defend? Yes.

Beat the shit out of? No.

+1

[Emerald Dream]

Can we please, please, stop making this a race discussion? It's disappointing.


I agree with this, and I want to add something here -

If someone is on top of you and beating you, and you have a gun....are you going to care if that person is black, white, latino, asian, etc...?

Trayvon Martin may have been profiled (maybe, maybe not), but his race played no part in his death.

[Southside]

Defend? Yes.

Beat the shit out of? No.

Like I said, he could have ran if he felt threatened. I hardly doubt he knew that Zimmerman had a gun on him, or he wouldn't have jumped on him and beat him. Not many people are that stupid.

Yes, I agree that Zimmerman is guilty of failing to heed police instructions...and he should be charged for that. But initiating a confrontation/argument with Trayvon (which was wrong) does NOT justify Trayvon beating the shit out of him.

A lot of people are thinking with their heart, and not their head.

Shouldnt you be able to defend yourself until the aggressor is no longer a threat to you? Zimmerman and Trayvon were fighting on the ground so he couldnt have just got up and ran away. Criminal profiling and failure to follow police orders are what caused Trayvons death.

[Emerald Dream]

Shouldnt you be able to defend yourself until the aggressor is no longer a threat to you? Zimmerman and Trayvon were fighting on the ground so he couldnt have just got up and ran away. Criminal profiling and failure to follow police orders are what caused Trayvons death.

Once again - run. You're talking about a young man against an middle aged heavier man. The thought that Trayvon couldn't outrun Zimmerman is completely ridiculous. Give me a break, and get out with that nonsense. The fact that he was able to to get on top of him and hit him just once means he was more than capable of fleeing.

Also, the questionable profiling led to the confrontation...not the death. You are jumping to conclusions and escalating things too quickly.

[Southside]

Once again - run. You're talking about a young man against an middle aged heavier man. The thought that Trayvon couldn't outrun Zimmerman is completely ridiculous. Give me a break, and get out with that nonsense. The fact that he was able to to get on top of him and hit him just once means he was more than capable of fleeing.

Also, the questionable profiling led to the confrontation...not the death. You are jumping to conclusions and escalating things too quickly.

My last question, do you think this whole thing would have happened if Zimmerman would have followed police directions?

[Emerald Dream]

My last question, do you think this whole thing would have happened if Zimmerman would have followed police directions?

No, but that's not why the death happened.

I don't think it would have happened if Trayvon insisted on continuing (notice I did not say "started") the physicality.

The problem here is that people are looking at "racism" to justify any argument. Zimmerman may have been guilty of profiling (I do not know whether to think that or not). But when someone is on beating someone else....it's not "racism." It's self defense.

Trayvon Martin could have removed himself from the situation. He was obviously in a position to do so, given the testimony and injuries to Zimmerman.

Lastly, like I said in the first place - Zimmerman should be charged for failing to heed police directions. Definitely.

[Phinks]

Honestly, they both made poor choices that night. Whether Zimmerman should have followed Trayvon Martin or not is questionable. Has anyone who is crying for Trayvon or thinks that everyone should feel sorry for him considered this though -

If Zimmerman does not shoot him, or even if Trayvon survives the gunshot wound...one of three things is most definitely going to happen:

1. Trayvon is charged with aggravated assault against Zimmerman.
2. Trayvon is charged with attempted murder against Zimmerman.
3. Trayvon is charged with murder against Zimmerman.

It's not like Trayvon was defending himself against Zimmerman. If that was the case then he would have punched him once or twice and then ran. The evidence supported that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and pummeling him. So that pretty much blows his innocence right out of the water right there.

It's completely ridiculous to turn this into a racial issue. It's pretty much a non-factor in self defense.

And yeah, I'm not really crying about it. I won't go so far as to say that he brought it on himself, but very poor decisions were made that night.

1. Ok
2. Attempted murder? What? There is no evidence, other than what Zimmerman said, that Trayvon tried to kill him. And really, I don't believe Zimmerman. Think logically, who says "you're going to die tonight" in a street fight? It's just awkward.
3. No. Zimmerman's wounds were "insignificant". Even look at the picture after he was allegedly slammed "25" times into the concrete. Nobody would die from that.

[Harry Smith]

1. Ok
2. Attempted murder? What? There is no evidence, other than what Zimmerman said, that Trayvon tried to kill him. And really, I don't believe Zimmerman. Think logically, who says "you're going to die tonight" in a street fight? It's just awkward.
3. No. Zimmerman's wounds were "insignificant". Even look at the picture after he was allegedly slammed "25" times into the concrete. Nobody would die from that.

2) Martin used the pavement as a weapon, there is other evidence which points to martin being on top attacking him.
3) The stand your ground law states your allowed to use force if you feel threatened, martin attacked him, under the law he had every right to kill him

[Emerald Dream]

1. Ok
2. Attempted murder? What? There is no evidence, other than what Zimmerman said, that Trayvon tried to kill him. And really, I don't believe Zimmerman. Think logically, who says "you're going to die tonight" in a street fight? It's just awkward.
3. No. Zimmerman's wounds were "insignificant". Even look at the picture after he was allegedly slammed "25" times into the concrete. Nobody would die from that.

Your reasoning is completely silly. Trayvon stopped beating Zimmerman because he was shot. I was never saying it would have escalated to murder on his part, but it could have. He was beating him, remember.

[Phinks]

2) Martin used the pavement as a weapon, there is other evidence which points to martin being on top attacking him.
3) The stand your ground law states your allowed to use force if you feel threatened, martin attacked him, under the law he had every right to kill him

2. I am not denying this. I am just saying Zimmerman's injuries did not warrant a gunshot to the chest.

3. The defense didn't use stand your ground though, they used self defense. And even the governor of Florida said that stand your ground did not protect Zimmerman. I'll try and find the exact quote.

Your reasoning is completely silly. Trayvon stopped beating Zimmerman because he was shot. I was never saying it would have escalated to murder on his part, but it could have. He was beating him, remember.

Nobody would die from those weak slams. It would take a good at least 10 minutes for death, and by that time the police would have come.

Remember Zimmerman says he was slammed 25 times into the ground, but he had no skull fractures or anything like that. Hell, even the medical examiner said his wounds were "insignificant".

[Emerald Dream]

2. I am not denying this. I am just saying Zimmerman's injuries did not warrant a gunshot to the chest.

3. The defense didn't use stand your ground though, they used self defense. And even the governor of Florida said that stand your ground did not protect Zimmerman. I'll try and find the exact quote.



Nobody would die from those weak slams. It would take a good at least 10 minutes for death, and by that time the police would have come.

Remember Zimmerman says he was slammed 25 times into the ground, but he had no skull fractures or anything like that. Hell, even the medical examiner said his wounds were "insignificant".

An exaggeration, perhaps...but still self defense. Neither one of them probably knew what the other one was thinking or the intent was.

While I will say that the court system is not perfect at all...they must have heard enough reasonable doubt to contend that it was self defense.

[Professional Russian]

if you kill someone, regardless of supposed 'self defense' you should be punished. full stop.

So if someone breaks in my house and has a gun and I know it and I shoot them because they were a threat to my life o should go to jail for defending myself?

[Offmynoodle]

My dad was following the Zimmerman trial for weeks. I think the jury made a good decision. It seems that Zimmerman was being beaten up badly by this guy and needed to defend himself. Anyway, I'm no law expert, but isn't a jury supposed to have twelve members?

[Dark Blue]

Once again - run. You're talking about a young man against an middle aged heavier man. The thought that Trayvon couldn't outrun Zimmerman is completely ridiculous. Give me a break, and get out with that nonsense. The fact that he was able to to get on top of him and hit him just once means he was more than capable of fleeing.

Also, the questionable profiling led to the confrontation...not the death. You are jumping to conclusions and escalating things too quickly.

But maybe Trayvon wasn't in that mindset? Sure - most would run but maybe he thought differently? FIGHT or Flight, perhaps he just picked the former?

I agree with this, and I want to add something here -

If someone is on top of you and beating you, and you have a gun....are you going to care if that person is black, white, latino, asian, etc...?

Trayvon Martin may have been profiled (maybe, maybe not), but his race played no part in his death.

This shouldn't be a race issue, and I don't agree with the rioting and nonsense that's occurring BUT. I do believe Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon.

Even if a racial profile didn't occur perhaps a stereotypical profile occurred, hood=thug. In reality, according to everyone, Trayvon was a 'thug' but who is Zimmerman to judge? This has little to do with the case though.

Defend? Yes.

Beat the shit out of? No.

Like I said, he could have ran if he felt threatened. I hardly doubt he knew that Zimmerman had a gun on him, or he wouldn't have jumped on him and beat him. Not many people are that stupid.

Yes, I agree that Zimmerman is guilty of failing to heed police instructions...and he should be charged for that. But initiating a confrontation/argument with Trayvon (which was wrong) does NOT justify Trayvon beating the shit out of him.

A lot of people are thinking with their heart, and not their head.

If the stand your ground law warrants you to shoot someone if you feel threatened how come it isn't justified that Trayvon tried to defend himself from whatever threat he felt from Zimmerman?

[Emerald Dream]

If the stand your ground law warrants you to shoot someone if you feel threatened how come it isn't justified that Trayvon tried to defend himself from whatever threat he felt from Zimmerman?

Because after a few shots and the opportunity to get away, it's no longer "defending yourself."

[Dark Blue]

Because after a few shots and the opportunity to get away, it's no longer "defending yourself."

Okay I see, very true. In hindsight, he may not have had the chance to get away though since Zimmerman had a gun.

[Sugaree]

Okay I see, very true. In hindsight, he may not have had the chance to get away though since Zimmerman had a gun.

You have GOT to be kidding me. If Trayvon had just run away or hide from Zimmerman, it's not like the gun would magically point at him and give away his location to Zimmerman. Just because Zimmerman had a gun doesn't mean Trayvon had no means of running away.

Jesus Christ, all this Trayvon apologist bullshit is too much. All of you people need to take a step back and actually look away from the made-for-TV court case that this was and realize that there was not enough evidence to back a conviction for murder. Call me a racist, an asshole, or just a flat out son of a bitch, but I'm not close minded to the point where I'm just going with whatever the court says. Obviously the jury saw something WE don't, and maybe we'll never see it. Until we walk in those juror's shoes, there is NOTHING we can do about this.

Everyone just suck it the fuck up and move on. You aren't doing anything productive by sitting around and being armchair activists.

[Dark Blue]

You have GOT to be kidding me. If Trayvon had just run away or hide from Zimmerman, it's not like the gun would magically point at him and give away his location to Zimmerman. Just because Zimmerman had a gun doesn't mean Trayvon had no means of running away.

Jesus Christ, all this Trayvon apologist bullshit is too much. All of you people need to take a step back and actually look away from the made-for-TV court case that this was and realize that there was not enough evidence to back a conviction for murder. Call me a racist, an asshole, or just a flat out son of a bitch, but I'm not close minded to the point where I'm just going with whatever the court says. Obviously the jury saw something WE don't, and maybe we'll never see it. Until we walk in those juror's shoes, there is NOTHING we can do about this.

Everyone just suck it the fuck up and move on. You aren't doing anything productive by sitting around and being armchair activists.

Your nasty, like, I can't even describe how much of an idiot you look like right now. If Zimmerman didn't just follow Trayvon like he was warned not to, a 17 year old wouldn't be dead. Instead of venting here and releasing whatever demons you have regarding the case, maybe you too should stop sitting around and go out there and tell people how you feel. Go on, tell all the people who support Martin and his family how your feeling right about now. I'm not going with whatever the court says I'm giving my opinion, if you can't handle opinions and reasonable debates then get off this section of the forum.

Also, just a life lesson, as we get older you have to deal with the thoughts of others. It doesn't always mean your wrong but sometimes you just have to share your opinion and then be content. Not EVERYONE will agree with you, especially if you tell people to "suck it the fuck up" not the best way to get positive feedback.

[Origami]

I'm not going with whatever the court says I'm giving my opinion, if you can't handle opinions and reasonable debates then get off this section of the forum.

You're not in ROTW, buddy.

I win. Thanks.

[Dark Blue]

You're not in ROTW, buddy.

I win. Thanks.

ROTW? Guessing its a mod thing? But no :D Of course just don't like seeing people get so heated in debates. There is always going to be a difference amongst opinions.

[Origami]

ROTW? Guessing its a mod thing? But no :D Of course just don't like seeing people get so heated in debates. There is always going to be a difference amongst opinions.

A mod thing? I'm not even a mod. No, it's called the debate forum. Ramblings of the Wise.

But in the words of our resident Global Mod:

this thread is not a debate, so let's leave it at that.

[Emerald Dream]

I think this has pretty much played out in this forum, it being VT Chronicle. If debates wish to be continued, then yeah...best to take it to ROTW. :locked: