obesity... a disease?

[britishboy]

ok guys im sure you know the stereotypical American, fat with a shotgun and this is probably because 1/3 of Americans are obese... and now thats a disease! I know being fat in most cases is their own fault and its stupid, but are they disease?

[Harry Smith]

ok guys im sure you know the stereotypical American, fat with a shotgun and this is probably because 1/3 of Americans are obese... and now thats a disease! I know being fat in most cases is their own fault and its stupid, but are they disease?

Great start of with a stereotype. Being fat isn't a disease, that removes responsibility away from the person, I mean they could then take time off work for being fat since they would technically be ill.

The whole classification system is rather stupid, I mean according to the BMI most rugby players are obese, does that mean they should lose weight when they are about 10 times healthier than me?

[Jess]

It's not a disease. As Harry said, if it was, they would take time off of work, being they'll be "ill".

[Rina]

Being fat is not a disease, but obesity is. Also, sometimes, you guys, it is not their fault they are fat. There are genes that just make it hard to keep weight off and thus it's not entirely their fault, for some people, it is their fault though.

Obesity however is a disease. There are more reasons than overeating that causes it. Hormones can cause it as well.

And having a huge build is not the same as being fat i.e. with athletes.

[Walter Powers]

I don't think it matters what you call it, bottom line is it's not healthy.

You know a country's rich when it's worrying about it's poor people getting too fat.

[britishboy]

Great start of with a stereotype. Being fat isn't a disease, that removes responsibility away from the person, I mean they could then take time off work for being fat since they would technically be ill.

The whole classification system is rather stupid, I mean according to the BMI most rugby players are obese, does that mean they should lose weight when they are about 10 times healthier than me?

its not my opinion, the americans have decided its a disease which pissed off all the obease people, and about the bmi im not sure? you will have to ask a doctor

[Harry Smith]

its not my opinion, the americans have decided its a disease which pissed off all the obease people, and about the bmi im not sure? you will have to ask a doctor

I meant your stereotype about Americans, I never once mentioned your opinion.

Oh yeah because Americans have never been wrong have they? There health service is a great example of how compassionate people are.

The issue with BMI is that these rugby players are say for example sometimes 5ft 7 but weight 20 stone, this is pure muscle, they don't smoke, they don't drink heavily and they have excellent fitness but oh no they're obese so it must be bad for them to weigh that much

[britishboy]

I meant your stereotype about Americans, I never once mentioned your opinion.

Oh yeah because Americans have never been wrong have they? There health service is a great example of how compassionate people are.

The issue with BMI is that these rugby players are say for example sometimes 5ft 7 but weight 20 stone, this is pure muscle, they don't smoke, they don't drink heavily and they have excellent fitness but oh no they're obese so it must be bad for them to weigh that much

lol Americans have been wrong about alot and im against it, yes obesity is very very bad but its hardly a disease! a disease can directly kill you, obesity kills indirectly, thats my opinion anyway

and obesity is when someones weight is 20% or more above normal weight. The most common measure of obesity is the body mass index, or BMI however I dont think its the only way, if a rugby player is measured using BMI then he would be very obese but hes not by definition of obese and he would probably be measured another way

[TheDeepestDepths]

Being fat is not a disease and there is nothing wrong with it. Sometimes weight runs in the genes. My genes are the opposite - I eat an unholy amount and never really exercise but I stay quite slender. Some people are the opposite - they are naturally quite heavy and no matter how they watch their weight and diet they don't really lose it. Also, there are diseases and disorders which can affect weight, but being fat in itself is not a disease. I know a woman who is very over weight but can do nothing about it because the drugs she takes for her MS affect her hormones which affect her weight.

For the record I hate this mindset that only skinny people can be attractive and the fact that our media portrays this - not just in things like magazines but also in literature. When has a sexy hero or heroine ever been heavy?

[britishboy]

For the record I hate this mindset that only skinny people can be attractive and the fact that our media portrays this - not just in things like magazines but also in literature. When has a sexy hero or heroine ever been heavy?

firstly freakishly skinny is horrible and secondly there is not sexy fat people in magazines because its not sexy, its the same as saying 'everyone in the movies has white teeth' well thats because bad teeth look terrible see what I mean?

[Harry Smith]

firstly freakishly skinny is horrible and secondly there is not sexy fat people in magazines because its not sexy, its the same as saying 'everyone in the movies has white teeth' well thats because bad teeth look terrible see what I mean?

Well some people do happen to get turned on by 'BBW' so I'm sure there are several magazines.

[Rina]

firstly freakishly skinny is horrible and secondly there is not sexy fat people in magazines because its not sexy, its the same as saying 'everyone in the movies has white teeth' well thats because bad teeth look terrible see what I mean?

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This body shaming rn.

Who are you to say what is horrible and what isn't sexy? If people are healthy, then more power to them.

[britishboy]

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This body shaming rn.

Who are you to say what is horrible and what isn't sexy? If people are healthy, then more power to them.

and that is body shaming how? and because im a guy and I know what I find attractive, do you like fat guys? with yellow teeth?

[Harry Smith]

and that is body shaming how? and because im a guy and I know what I find attractive, do you like fat guys? with yellow teeth?

You know what is attractive for all men, how could you be so fucking shallow about someone, it doesn't matter at all what they look like as the cliche goes it's about the inside, it's about being able to hold a conversation with someone

[Rina]

and that is body shaming how? and because im a guy and I know what I find attractive, do you like fat guys? with yellow teeth?

'cause you just said "freakishly skinny people are horrible and there is not sexy fat people in magazines because they're not sexy" you didn't say, "I prefer if people aren't overweight or too skinny," you just straight up said that skinny people are ugly and so are those who are overweight as if you speak for all.

Personally, no. But you said your preferences in a rude way imo.

[britishboy]

You know what is attractive for all men, how could you be so fucking shallow about someone, it doesn't matter at all what they look like as the cliche goes it's about the inside, it's about being able to hold a conversation with someone

yeah personality is important for a gf/bf but it doesn't make some sexually attractive! and the vast majority of guys dislike fat chicks with yellow teeth
'cause you just said "freakishly skinny people are horrible and there is not sexy fat people in magazines because they're not sexy" you didn't say, "I prefer if people aren't overweight or too skinny," you just straight up said that skinny people are ugly and so are those who are overweight as if you speak for all.

Personally, no. But you said your preferences in a rude way imo.

wtf?

[Harry Smith]

yeah personality is important for a gf/bf but it doesn't make some sexually attractive! and the vast majority of guys dislike fat chicks with yellow teeth

Guess what? A relationship isn't all about sex, what happens for the other 22 hours of the day?

Fat chicks with yellow teeth? Where the hell did that come from one. I would laugh if one day you became fat with yellow teeth, I bet you would have a very different view. I'm sure every guy with like Jessice Alba or in my case Harry Styles but that's not going to happen. So what if a girl is fat? So what if she has yellow teeth? Who are you to dictate to the world?

[Rina]

yeah personality is important for a gf/bf but it doesn't make some sexually attractive! and the vast majority of guys dislike fat chicks with yellow teeth


wtf?

I don't get what the wtf was for. Did I word something strangely or something?

[britishboy]

Guess what? A relationship isn't all about sex, what happens for the other 22 hours of the day?

Fat chicks with yellow teeth? Where the hell did that come from one. I would laugh if one day you became fat with yellow teeth, I bet you would have a very different view. I'm sure every guy with like Jessice Alba or in my case Harry Styles but that's not going to happen. So what if a girl is fat? So what if she has yellow teeth? Who are you to dictate to the world?

I will not allow my self to get fat and I whitern my teeth any way irrelevant

what I originally said is the models in magazines and that must look good, your not dating the girl in the magazine, your buying a product and who will catch your eye if your gonna buy a product (or whatever theyre advertising)

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[Rina]

I will not allow my self to get fat and I whitern my teeth any way irrelevant

what I originally said is the models in magazines and that must look good, your not dating the girl in the magazine, your buying a product and who will catch your eye if your gonna buy a product (or whatever theyre advertising)

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Um, but who are you to dictate what people find attractive and what looks good?

That image is so irrelevant to whatever point you're trying to make.

[Harry Smith]

I will not allow my self to get fat and I whitern my teeth any way irrelevant

what I originally said is the models in magazines and that must look good, your not dating the girl in the magazine, your buying a product and who will catch your eye if your gonna buy a product (or whatever theyre advertising)

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Lool that's a bit shallow isn't it? Whitening your teeth is a pain, you can't drink coffee for two weeks, the NHS don't cover it and it costs about 120 quid. However Harry Styles is hard to argue with

[Trenton_]

Um, but who are you to dictate what people find attractive and what looks good?

That image is so irrelevant to whatever point you're trying to make.

I will not allow my self to get fat and I whitern my teeth any way irrelevant

what I originally said is the models in magazines and that must look good, your not dating the girl in the magazine, your buying a product and who will catch your eye if your gonna buy a product (or whatever theyre advertising)

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I don't think he's trying to dictate it, the topic is what is sexy, NOT who we're going to date or who we're going to marry etc. We're not looking for a brain surgeon, we're looking for sexy and as harry pointed out, Jessica Alba and Megan Fox used to look very attractive and sexy. I've never looked at an over weight girl and thought, "oooh that's hot or that's sexy". Never heard any guy do that. We're not dictating it, it's what we like. Healthy people can be attractive to. Obese? Yellow teeth? not attractive or sexy at all.

[Harry Smith]

I don't think he's trying to dictate it, the topic is what is sexy, NOT who we're going to date or who we're going to marry etc. We're not looking for a brain surgeon, we're looking for sexy and as harry pointed out, Jessica Alba and Megan Fox used to look very attractive and sexy. I've never looked at an over weight girl and thought, "oooh that's hot or that's sexy". Never heard any guy do that. We're not dictating it, it's what we like. Healthy people can be attractive to. Obese? Yellow teeth? not attractive or sexy at all.

So should all women became skinny so that they can meet the requirements of men?

[Rina]

I don't think he's trying to dictate it, the topic is what is sexy, NOT who we're going to date or who we're going to marry etc. We're not looking for a brain surgeon, we're looking for sexy and as harry pointed out, Jessica Alba and Megan Fox used to look very attractive and sexy. I've never looked at an over weight girl and thought, "oooh that's hot or that's sexy". Never heard any guy do that. We're not dictating it, it's what we like. Healthy people can be attractive to. Obese? Yellow teeth? not attractive or sexy at all.

But, the point I was trying to make was what is attractive is subjective. Just because you've never thought of someone overweight as sexy doesn't mean someone else hasn't looked at them and thought that. He was basically stating what was sexy or what wasn't by his standards and that's it.

That's all I'm trying to say. You nor anyone can speak for every guy or every girl.

There was this girl on House of Payne, obviously overweight, I found her beautiful. Some may not.

[tovaris]

You have to consider the genetic predispositions and the enviorment... And all factors considerd it is definatly a king of desese, with conbined multiple causes.

P. S. : you island has quite a problem with it to.

[britishboy]

Um, but who are you to dictate what people find attractive and what looks good?

That image is so irrelevant to whatever point you're trying to make.

im dictating nothing, hot girls are hot, simple thats why thay are used

[Harry Smith]

im dictating nothing, hot girls are hot, simple thats why thay are used

Really? I never would have thought that hot girls would be hot.

Magazines have actually improved ethically over the last 10 years, I mean they have no stopped using size zero models and they do stress that you shouldn't starve yourself.

That's the key, it's not about being attractive-it's about being healthy

[britishboy]

Really? I never would have thought that hot girls would be hot.

Magazines have actually improved ethically over the last 10 years, I mean they have no stopped using size zero models and they do stress that you shouldn't starve yourself.

That's the key, it's not about being attractive-it's about being healthy

yeah I think bring underweight is as bad as being over and if your healthy your figure is most likely attractive

But, the point I was trying to make was what is attractive is subjective. Just because you've never thought of someone overweight as sexy doesn't mean someone else hasn't looked at them and thought that. He was basically stating what was sexy or what wasn't by his standards and that's it.

That's all I'm trying to say. You nor anyone can speak for every guy or every girl.

There was this girl on House of Payne, obviously overweight, I found her beautiful. Some may not.

your over reacting everything people say, certain things aren't subjective, do you want a smelly bf? and I can confidently speak for most that I would rather a model in a magazine than a ugly chick, thats why theyre in the magazines

[Trenton_]

But, the point I was trying to make was what is attractive is subjective. Just because you've never thought of someone overweight as sexy doesn't mean someone else hasn't looked at them and thought that. He was basically stating what was sexy or what wasn't by his standards and that's it.

That's all I'm trying to say. You nor anyone can speak for every guy or every girl.

There was this girl on House of Payne, obviously overweight, I found her beautiful. Some may not.

I agree, people have different tastes in what they're attracted to. I can't think of the actresses name and she is what most guys would call hot and I was sitting with my friends and I commented that there was something about her that I found appealing. They laughed and I just said I like what I like and can't even tell you what it is, but there's something about her...

What did come up in this thread is the word sexy and advertisers and the movie industry attempt or tend to go for the beautiful people and there is a type of woman or man that has mass appeal and those are the fit people with symmetrical features etc. Nothing wrong with that either.



So should all women became skinny so that they can meet the requirements of men?

No. Not at all. They should do what they want and skinny is just that, skinny. Most guys would prefer a fit woman over a skinny or fat woman. People should just do what they want. If they don't want to make an effort that's for them to decide because I don't have to live in their body, they do.

[britishboy]

Um, but who are you to dictate what people find attractive and what looks good?

That image is so irrelevant to whatever point you're trying to make.

who would catch your eye? a hottie or ugly? whos product would you buy?

[Human]

I wouldn't say it's a disease, but definitely a big problem in current society and will be a bigger problem in future society... something needs to be done to counter it because no matter whether you blame it on genetics or anything like that, it's unhealthy

[nice]

who would catch your eye? a hottie or ugly? whos product would you buy?

But people have different opinions of ugly and hot. For instance some guys. And girls find Harry styles hot me and a couple of my friends think he's not even cute. Some people like me think Ariana grande is hot some think she's ugly .-. Christina aguilera is cute and she's considered "fat" by media standerds.

[britishboy]

But people have different opinions of ugly and hot. For instance some guys. And girls find Harry styles hot me and a couple of my friends think he's not even cute. Some people like me think Ariana grande is hot some think she's ugly .-. Christina aguilera is cute and she's considered "fat" by media standerds.

beauty to the masses is why they have skinny women, and we disagree on whats hotter on certain things, for example if blondes are hotter than brunettes, but the vast majority agree on most things, for example, out of these, whos hotter?

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[Harry Smith]

beauty to the masses is why they have skinny women, and we disagree on whats hotter on certain things, for example if blondes are hotter than brunettes, but the vast majority agree on most things, for example, out of these, whos hotter?


How old are you? 11, oh look that girl is hot let's get married at playtime!

Women shouldn't become skinny just to please dinosaurs like you, they don't wake up and think oh yeah I'm going to get skinny so that boy thinks I'm hot, it doesn't matter. There is more to life than sex, maybe when you mature you'll work that out

[britishboy]

How old are you? 11, oh look that girl is hot let's get married at playtime!

Women shouldn't become skinny just to please dinosaurs like you, they don't wake up and think oh yeah I'm going to get skinny so that boy thinks I'm hot, it doesn't matter. There is more to life than sex, maybe when you mature you'll work that out

if your selling a product, whos would you buy thats my point! I dont care what girls do, its them who has to live in that body and btw I have a gf

[Rina]

I agree, people have different tastes in what they're attracted to. I can't think of the actresses name and she is what most guys would call hot and I was sitting with my friends and I commented that there was something about her that I found appealing. They laughed and I just said I like what I like and can't even tell you what it is, but there's something about her...

What did come up in this thread is the word sexy and advertisers and the movie industry attempt or tend to go for the beautiful people and there is a type of woman or man that has mass appeal and those are the fit people with symmetrical features etc. Nothing wrong with that either.
.

Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. I know there's this overall appeal that people usually go for, and I get it, personally I think that their idea of beautiful is what upsets most of the people though because it's makes others believe they have to be this or that. But, even in the media, personality matters. Someone without charisma is unattractive even if their body is perfect. Like Ariana Grande is pretty by most people's standards, but she wouldn't make me buy anything 'cause she lacks any appeal.

But, at least you get my point and I get yours.

who would catch your eye? a hottie or ugly? whos product would you buy?

You're not really getting the point. So, I'mma just stop replying to you.

[britishboy]

You're not really getting the point. So, I'mma just stop replying to you.

yes, please stop

[Rayquaza]

It's not a disease.

Stop embarrassing yourself with your schema of a "hot person".

[britishboy]

It's not a disease.

Stop embarrassing yourself with your schema of a "hot person".

I dont believe its a disease, but the Americans have decided it is and I was explaining why only hot girls are in magazines

[Capto]

The government hasn't decided yet. Just the AMA.

[Stronk Serb]

Obesity is not a disease. It is a problem, but not a disease.

[Jean Poutine]

Ever looked at any Enlightenment or Victorian era painting? The chicks are fat as fuck and so are the men. In those days, obesity was considered physically attractive and also meant that you had more social status as you had the means to even get that fat in the first place.

Ever saw any Stone Age figurines too? Check out the Venus of Willendorf. She's fat and has saggy tits to boot. Throughout the early ages of civilization, fat women with big tits were actually a symbol of fertility and meant that she was more desirable as it was believed that she could conceive more children.

It's entirely subjective, and you are out of your depth here, my young British friend.

As for obesity being a disease, no it isn't. Obesity is a symptom and the cause may or may not be a disease. Maybe you're chomping down on McDonalds quarter-pounders 3 times a day, or maybe you're on lithium which makes you take unholy amounts of weight, or maybe there is a chemical/hormonal imbalance in your body, maybe you're just born that way, or maybe you suffer from an actual illness that slows down your metabolism greatly (like depression). It varies.