equalety

[tovaris]

Constitutions and laws of most countries on this planet say that all people are equal and are born equal; regardeles of the colour of their skin, their origin, their ancesters actions...
But people stil seem to fight the idea. Ether theydeny it openly or on a mor sneky way. But the fact remains that many people stil think not all people are equal.
What is your opinion on this mather?

[Harry Smith]

Just because you put in a law it won't get rid of all inequality or unfairness within the world. I mean you just have to look at the fact that 11 years ago homosexuality was still actually illegal in texas

[Hyper]

People aren't born equal PERIOD.

In law it is a social/phiolsophical concept. Meaning people are born with equal ''rights''.

But reality is different. Peoples abilities differ since birth and so do their circumstances. And though ''rights'' do exist in modern society those rights are not universal or equal to all.

[Jasperf]

People aren't born equal PERIOD.

In law it is a social/phiolsophical concept. Meaning people are born with equal ''rights''.

But reality is different. Peoples abilities differ since birth and so do their circumstances. And though ''rights'' do exist in modern society those rights are not universal or equal to all.

Exactly, A child in the slums of a 3rd world country is not equal to the son of a billionaire or even a normal family

[britishboy]

Exactly, A child in the slums of a 3rd world country is not equal to the son of a billionaire or even a normal family

that is no excuse to not try though, and I HATE those who moan at the higher class

[Jasperf]

that is no excuse to not try though, and I HATE those who moan at the higher class

What do you mean? 'Moan at higher classes'?

[britishboy]

What do you mean? 'Moan at higher classes'?

you know how they say horrible stuff and stereotype the higher classes, its pure uneducated jealousy

[Jasperf]

you know how they say horrible stuff and stereotype the higher classes, its pure uneducated jealousy

I know first hand what that's like! (Not saying my mums a billionaire ;) ) but people on here especially have said stuff like, all rich people don't know about the rest of the world ect and when I posted what I drive in a 'what's your car' post, everyone was rude and said I was a spoilt brat ect, when they don't even know me!

[Stronk Serb]

There is no equality. How can a child born in a garbage dump in the slums of a 3rd world country be equal in rights to a child of a 1st or 2nd world country working family? There is no equality yet.

[tovaris]

There is no equality. How can a child born in a garbage dump in the slums of a 3rd world country be equal in rights to a child of a 1st or 2nd world country working family? There is no equality yet.

Yet!

[Stronk Serb]

Yet!

There will be equality if our children do something about it.

[tovaris]

you know how they say horrible stuff and stereotype the higher classes, its pure uneducated jealousy

that is a unargumented steriotipe about thr oower clases.

[britishboy]

I know first hand what that's like! (Not saying my mums a billionaire ;) ) but people on here especially have said stuff like, all rich people don't know about the rest of the world ect and when I posted what I drive in a 'what's your car' post, everyone was rude and said I was a spoilt brat ect, when they don't even know me!

as do I my friend and btw dont go on about it, you'll make the commies mad:D

that is a unargumented steriotipe about thr oower clases.

its been proven time and time again on here

[Sugaree]

you know how they say horrible stuff and stereotype the higher classes, its pure uneducated jealousy

And it's not also stereotyping to call the lower classes uneducated? Think before you speak, man.

There will be equality if our children do something about it.

lol keep kicking that can down the road, you're doing wonderfully.

[Harry Smith]

, its pure uneducated jealousy

Are you implying that lower class people are uneducated?

[tovaris]

Are you implying that lower class people are uneducated?

This is what the curent sistem brings those with money get prestin education and with that the chance to get money, those without it cant aford such education and therefore dont get an opurtunety to get miney. This patern is especaly visible over the atlantic.

[Harry Smith]

This is what the curent sistem brings those with money get prestin education and with that the chance to get money, those without it cant aford such education and therefore dont get an opurtunety to get miney. This patern is especaly visible over the atlantic.

That's just wrong, state education is no worse than private education. If you have the money you have the right to pay a private body to educate you

[Jasperf]

That's just wrong, state education is no worse than private education.

No way are private and state school equal!

[Harry Smith]

No way are private and state school equal!

No of course, not in funding or facilities. My point is that if someone has the ability they will do well in both environments.

[Jasperf]

No of course, not in funding or facilities. My point is that if someone has the ability they will do well in both environments.

If someone is smart and determined then they may go far, but at private schools they will be given a better opportunity

[Harry Smith]

If someone is smart and determined then they may go far, but at private schools they will be given a better opportunity

Not always, private school doesn't cater to everyone

[Jasperf]

Not always, private school doesn't cater to everyone

I guess private schools where you are and where I am are different

[Stronk Serb]

lol keep kicking that can down the road, you're doing wonderfully.

Yeah, very funny indeed.

[britishboy]

Are you implying that lower class people are uneducated?

no! some of our smartest and most famous people was publicly educated! I just hate the idiots that moan at the higher class for no reason other than that theyre a failure

And it's not also stereotyping to call the lower classes uneducated? Think before you speak, man.
.

read before you quote please, thanks

[Stronk Serb]

no! some of our smartest and most famous people was publicly educated! I just hate the idiots that moan at the higher class for no reason other than that theyre a failure



read before you quote please, thanks

So I am a failure? Thanks.

[britishboy]

So I am a failure? Thanks.

ok I ask you this, why are you jealous of the rich and stereotype us for no reason? and you dont try to become a success yourself?

[Stronk Serb]

ok I ask you this, why are you jealous of the rich and stereotype us for no reason? and you dont try to become a success yourself?

I am not jealous. A bunch of corporate people mostly living in the US are making money off dozens if not hundreds of thousands of people working harder then those CEOs worked in their lifetimes, and those people are getting paid a lot less. Yes, I can be successful, I am considering joining the army or intel service, not sure what branches though.

[britishboy]

I am not jealous. A bunch of corporate people mostly living in the US are making money off dozens if not hundreds of thousands of people working harder then those CEOs worked in their lifetimes, and those people are getting paid a lot less. Yes, I can be successful, I am considering joining the army or intel service, not sure what branches though.

1) how did they get their money? it didnt grow on trees
2) could you do that? I doubt it
3) why are you going the army? serbia never goes to war? its not even in nato and I thought you was anti war

[Stronk Serb]

1) how did they get their money? it didnt grow on trees
2) could you do that? I doubt it
3) why are you going the army? serbia never goes to war? its not even in nato and I thought you was anti war



1) No, it goes from a large percentage of all services provided by their corporations.
2) I could, given enough connections and parents with enough wealth, of which they had at least one.
3)Just because I am willing to defend and die for my country does not mean I am pro-war. We had one war, another one with Serbia on the attack is too much.

[britishboy]

1) No, it goes from a large percentage of all services provided by their corporations.
2) I could, given enough connections and parents with enough wealth, of which they had at least one.
3)Just because I am willing to defend and die for my country does not mean I am pro-war. We had one war, another one with Serbia on the attack is too much.

1) you have no clue what happens in the higher class, only your stereotypes, most own several companies, co own alot and have large shares in businesses!
2)alan sugar was very very poor so stop being a lazy communist moaning at those your jealous of
3)'i will die for my country but dont like wars'? (spoiler) serbia will never be at war and if it does it will lose

[Stronk Serb]

1) you have no clue what happens in the higher class, only your stereotypes, most own several companies, co own alot and have large shares in businesses!
2)alan sugar was very very poor so stop being a lazy communist moaning at those your jealous of
3)'i will die for my country but dont like wars'? (spoiler) serbia will never be at war and if it does it will lose


3) So just because I am decent enough to be willing to defend my country means that I am a warmonger? There is something you call patriotism you know? Can the same be said for yourself? Will you go to war if the UK gets invaded?

[britishboy]

3) So just because I am decent enough to be willing to defend my country means that I am a warmonger? There is something you call patriotism you know? Can the same be said for yourself? Will you go to war if the UK gets invaded?

all im saying is Serbian nationalism killed soooo many is ethnic cleansing and a peace loving communist like your self I would assume would at least fight for Cuba, not a soon to be EU and NATO country

[Harry Smith]

n I just hate the idiots that moan at the higher class for no reason other than that theyre a failure

So your calling my mum a failure? Your calling nearly 5 generations of my family a failure? Your just an arrogant little rich boy.

serbia will never be at war and if it does it will lose


That's an arrogant assumption which is plain wrong

[Stronk Serb]

all im saying is Serbian nationalism killed soooo many is ethnic cleansing and a peace loving communist like your self I would assume would at least fight for Cuba, not a soon to be EU and NATO country


Am I saying that Serbs are superior to any other nationality in every aspect? There is a difference between nationalism and patriotism. I would not fight for Cuba. I would fight for the defense of my people and for establishing a better system in Serbia, which can be achieved by a left-wing revolution, it doesn't matter if it is communism or not. As long it is for the social improvements, I would gladly accept the call to arms.

[britishboy]

Am I saying that Serbs are superior to any other nationality in every aspect? There is a difference between nationalism and patriotism. I would not fight for Cuba. I would fight for the defense of my people and for establishing a better system in Serbia, which can be achieved by a left-wing revolution, it doesn't matter if it is communism or not. As long it is for the social improvements, I would gladly accept the call to arms.

you confusing me? why fight for a country you dont support

[Stronk Serb]

you confusing me? why fight for a country you dont support

I would fight for the people. The Serbs. If anyone is to attack us, I would enlist. If people with beliefs similar to mine would start a revolution I would join.

[britishboy]

So your calling my mum a failure? Your calling nearly 5 generations of my family a failure?
well I dont know them and do you not agree that them moaning at the rich simply for being rich is stupid and pathetic?
Your just an arrogant little rich boy.
whats my wealth got to do with anything?

[britishboy]

I would fight for the people. The Serbs. If anyone is to attack us, I would enlist. If people with beliefs similar to mine would start a revolution I would join.

your a communist? your completely different from the average serb why fight for them?

[Stronk Serb]

your a communist? your completely different from the average serb why fight for them?

Well, my family is pretty decent, and so are my friends. So is my cat. Not all of them can move out you know.

[britishboy]

Well, my family is pretty decent, and so are my friends. So is my cat. Not all of them can move out you know.

just find it odd you support a non communist country, you should move to Cuba, but not China, Chinas horrible

[Harry Smith]

well I dont know them and do you not agree that them moaning at the rich simply for being rich is stupid and pathetic?

whats my wealth got to do with anything?

It's not your wealth mate calm down, daddy hasn't kicked the bucket yet.

People don't moan at the rich for being rich, my Uncle is rich. I'm very close with him, people moan at rich people like you who act like they're the best thing since sliced bread.

[britishboy]

It's not your wealth mate calm down, daddy hasn't kicked the bucket yet.

People don't moan at the rich for being rich, my Uncle is rich. I'm very close with him, people moan at rich people like you who act like they're the best thing since sliced bread.

I will own my own businesses, not just my fathers and you clearly have never spoken to a communist for more than 5 minutes

[Stronk Serb]

just find it odd you support a non communist country, you should move to Cuba, but not China, Chinas horrible

Well, there is a possibility of a civil war afterwards. I would take the left-wing side in it. Especially if they order Serbian troops to start cleansing Kosovo again. They lost 3 shots of making it better already. Just acknowledge it's independence.

[britishboy]

Well, there is a possibility of a civil war afterwards. I would take the left-wing side in it. Especially if they order Serbian troops to start cleansing Kosovo again. They lost 3 shots of making it better already. Just acknowledge it's independence.

alright I get it now:)

[Harry Smith]

I will own my own businesses, not just my fathers and you clearly have never spoken to a communist for more than 5 minutes

What?

Your statment is wrong, I've spoken with both Mike and Maticek before. Can you please take back that statment?

No, you can't be certain of that, you could have a brain hemorrhage in the next second, you own nothing

[britishboy]

What?

Your statment is wrong, I've spoken with both Mike and Maticek before. Can you please take back that statment?

No, you can't be certain of that, you could have a brain hemorrhage in the next second, you own nothing

second later... im fine:D
its not just communists, alot of lazy jealous people hate us for no reason other than theyre not us
So what? I go to be a janitor or to work at Burger King for the same pay while some fatcats are swimming in my blood and sweat turned into money?

are celebrating with 300 year old wine, on 60 ton yachts with dozens of call girls? As I recall, I work for them while they have leisure jobs and meetings which are about making more money for them.

heres a couple of links to anti rich websites and conversions

www.democraticunderground.com/1002177458

www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2074171

[Harry Smith]

second later... im fine:D
its not just communists, alot of lazy jealous people hate us for no reason other than theyre not us

Lol sure. Lazy Jealous? Isn't someone arrogant. Your not upper class in the British society, you don't have a rank in the nobility

[britishboy]

Lol sure. Lazy Jealous? Isn't someone arrogant. Your not upper class in the British society, you don't have a rank in the nobility

I actually am;) more in Australia though thats where most our wealth comes from, we only have 2 houses in britian and btw its none of your business

[Harry Smith]

I actually am;) more in Australia though thats where most our wealth comes from, we only have 2 houses in britian and btw its none of your business

No. Do you have a rank of nobility such as Duke or Viscount? If not, then your middle class in the British system, the nobility are the upper class

[britishboy]

No. Do you have a rank of nobility such as Duke or Viscount? If not, then your middle class in the British system, the nobility are the upper class

nope no dukes:'( maybe just higher class in every other country? wow ive never been called middle class, thats insulting, however its rude to talk about money so im going to shut up now:P

[Trenton_]

nope no dukes:'( maybe just higher class in every other country? wow ive never been called middle class, thats insulting, however its rude to talk about money so im going to shut up now:P

No Dukes! That's crazy! We have the Dukes of Hazzard and you can have them Duke boys if ya want 'em.

Poor people are funny because they have no clue of the obligations and pressure of being rich or having rich parents.

luckily, where I live it's pretty rich so it's not that annoying and most people understand what we go through.

[britishboy]

No Dukes! That's crazy! We have the Dukes of Hazzard and you can have them Duke boys if ya want 'em.

Poor people are funny because they have no clue of the obligations and pressure of being rich or having rich parents.

luckily, where I live it's pretty rich so it's not that annoying and most people understand what we go through.

lol:P and ikr! they think were lazy and are on an all year holiday! and I dont live near poor people either but you see them on tv and theres loads on vt:P

[Harry Smith]

No Dukes! That's crazy! We have the Dukes of Hazzard and you can have them Duke boys if ya want 'em.

Poor people are funny because they have no clue of the obligations and pressure of being rich or having rich parents.

luckily, where I live it's pretty rich so it's not that annoying and most people understand what we go through.

Rich people are funny as well, trust me

[britishboy]

Rich people are funny as well, trust me

stereotypes

[Trenton_]

lol:P and ikr! they think were lazy and are on an all year holiday! and I dont live near poor people either but you see them on tv and theres loads on vt:P

lol:P and ikr! they think were lazy and are on an all year holiday! and I dont live near poor people either but you see them on tv and theres loads on vt:P

My dad isn't even a CEO and we laugh at people that complain about work and that their poor while they work 40 hours a week and get breaks and stuff.

My dad works 7 days a week 363 days a year. Not Easter, not Christmas, but that's it. Monday thru Friday, if he in town, 60 hours minimum, sometimes 80 and then 5-6 hours on the weekend. Then there's charity events, business dinners, people coming to our house as late as 10 pm with contracts or his tech support guys. It's endless. So the lightest week is 70 hours. Vacations aren't even vacations really. He's with us, but on the phone and computer a few hours every day. He has dinner with us only on the weekends because he gets home too late. He doesn't sit around and watch sports or reality tv that's for sure.

So if anyone is poor and middle age they chose it by being lazy compared to rich people.

[Harry Smith]

stereotypes

how is that a stereotype? Isn't that a tad hypocritical when you've called poor people lazy and a failure

[britishboy]

how is that a stereotype? Isn't that a tad hypocritical when you've called poor people lazy and a failure

only the ones moaning, the army are not exactly rich and I have great respect for them and all those whi work hard

[Harry Smith]

only the ones moaning, the army are not exactly rich and I have great respect for them and all those whi work hard

What?

So if someone works hard then you respect them as you say above but if they moan and work hard then you think their a failure?

[Walter Powers]

No. Do you have a rank of nobility such as Duke or Viscount? If not, then your middle class in the British system, the nobility are the upper class

That's really sad that no matter what you do in Britian you can never become upper class.

Proud to be an American :p

[Harry Smith]

That's really sad that no matter what you do in Britian you can never become upper class.

Proud to be an American :p

What's so great about being british upper class? It's not as if you get a little badge or anything, it's just for people to boast about.

Many 'upper-middle class' people are richer than the Gentry

[britishboy]

That's really sad that no matter what you do in Britian you can never become upper class.

Proud to be an American :p

I personally dont belive thats the case

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Equality is giving everyone, despite their race, gender, sexuailty, appearance, or family history an equal chance to be just as succesful. Sure someone born into poverity may find it difficult to become a billionaire, but if they play their cards right maybe their kids will be given a better shot at life than they were.

Discrimination will probably never go away though. There will always be a new group to discriminate against just as another group begins to be treated fairly. That group will get its justice too, but not before another group to make fun of pops up. Life is a bitch.

[Stronk Serb]

I personally dont belive thats the case

You do not get skinned by health insurance companies. Free healthcare makes the UK better for the lower classes. And what is also marvelous is that you do not need a fortune teller to tell you what health problems you will have so that you can take the right insurance policy.

[Walter Powers]

Equality is giving everyone, despite their race, gender, sexuailty, appearance, or family history an equal chance to be just as succesful. Sure someone born into poverity may find it difficult to become a billionaire, but if they play their cards right maybe their kids will be given a better shot at life than they were.

Discrimination will probably never go away though. There will always be a new group to discriminate against just as another group begins to be treated fairly. That group will get its justice too, but not before another group to make fun of pops up. Life is a bitch.

Good points. I agree.

[Capto]

Poor people are funny because they have no clue of the obligations and pressure of being rich or having rich parents.

luckily, where I live it's pretty rich so it's not that annoying and most people understand what we go through.

Enlighten me on your ordeals, please.

[Stronk Serb]

No Dukes! That's crazy! We have the Dukes of Hazzard and you can have them Duke boys if ya want 'em.

Poor people are funny because they have no clue of the obligations and pressure of being rich or having rich parents.

luckily, where I live it's pretty rich so it's not that annoying and most people understand what we go through.

And do you know the pressure of a working middle class familly? Did you forget that the sufferings of the middle class are the foundations of your wealth? If it wasn't for the workers, you would all be poor. Do you know how stressing it is when your pay is late? When your section did not achieve it's goals so you got a 30% smaller wage for the quartal? When you get fired so that your boss can put his incompetent nephew on your place? Please, enlighten me, how much is the life od a middle class family easier then the life of a rich upper class one?

[Taryn98]

I think everyone deserves equal opportunity but that is not the same thing as saying all people are equal.

There are smart people, dumb people, athletic and unathletic, hard working and lazy, short and tall, skinny and fat, etc. Everyone is different and no, not everyone is equal, it's just a fact.

Everyone deserves the opportunity to pursue their hopes and dreams and have freedom and liberty and the right to pursue happiness as they see fit. But remember that if you don't take that opportunity, that is your individual fault and not someone else's. Also, effort does not always equate to achievement.

[Jean Poutine]

nope no dukes:'( maybe just higher class in every other country? wow ive never been called middle class, thats insulting, however its rude to talk about money so im going to shut up now:P

You think being called middle class is actually an insult?

Man, you're some British 14 year old who has done nothing of value yet. You are nothing, in the grand scheme of things. You don't even have a class, as you personally have zero income. Cutting a 45k/year salary might not land me in the riches, but at least it is my achievement.

Insulted yet? Be an arrogant ass when you have something to your name.

you know how they say horrible stuff and stereotype the higher classes, its pure uneducated jealousy

Or maybe pure educated criticism. There are perfectly valid negative things to say about the upper class.

And no, nobody is equal. But that doesn't mean the playing field can't be leveled.