Modern Politics and their influence

[Thorn181]

Hello Community out there in the World!
I have a very easy question to you: Do you like the politics which your country makes atm and how they handle problems?
When you answer pls reasons and where you live (country), to maybe understand your statement ;)

Greetings
Thorn

[FrostWraith]

Nope. They do not understand the words "efficiency" or "compromise," which makes for a pretty ineffective government.
USA

[Nellerin]

Our Government is ridiculous and is just horrible in practically every way. So ya, the United States Government is pretty bad.

[Thorn181]

do not understand the words "efficiency" or "compromise,"

is ridiculous and is just horrible in practically every way

Why do you think so, I mean, based on what "actions" of the government?
And what would You do better or want to change?

[Nellerin]

Why do you think so, I mean, based on what "actions" of the government?
And what would You do better or want to change?

Because we kill thousands of people oversees with drones and have a 2% effective hit rate with them... that alone makes the US horrible.

We need a complete overhaul of the Government with every person in Government being replaced for any real positive change to occur.

[FrostWraith]

Why do you think so, I mean, based on what "actions" of the government?
And what would You do better or want to change?

The Republicans in the Senate absolutely love filibustering anything the majority Democrats propose, and on the rare occasion that the Senate does pass something, the House usually shoots it down. For example, the Senate recently passed a bill that would reform our messy immigration system, but it's expected to die in the House because it doesn't satisfy every one of the GOP's desires. Also, our Supreme Court recently said that Congress would have to revise the Voting Rights Act, which is considered a death sentence because Congress won't be able to agree on a new form of the law.
It would be nice if the parties could be a little more flexible and work together for the good of the overall country rather than forcibly pushing their party agendas.

[Thorn181]

It would be nice if the parties could be a little more flexible and work together

Sure that sounds good, but would the parties not betray their ideology, for which you have voted them if the would be making compromises?

[FrostWraith]

Sure that sounds good, but would the parties not betray their ideology, for which you have voted them if the would be making compromises?

Compromise is not betrayal of one's ideology; it is an understanding that a consensus must be reached and not everyone can ultimately be fully satisfied. Agreement cannot exist in a diverse society without compromise, and we need agreement if our government is to actually accomplish anything.

[Thorn181]

I can agree to this, under the condition that democracy is in the country ...
If I would vote for something, I would like to see my representatives not compromsing with the opposite position, I would feel betrayed
Or if my voted politicla party just turns their direction in one question to another, because something happened somewhere in the world
A representative should representate my opinion when I vote for them, not play with the reasons why I voted for them to stay in the government or to get something done

[Walter Powers]

I'm American. I love pretty much all of the Constitution but I hate that it seems to be getting stepped on. If you expand this masterpiece, I think it sort of reflects how I feel:

http://50.56.243.79/images/image_map_zoom_images/the_forgotten_man.jpg

[Capto]

Too many opinions in the US.

Makes our government, no matter who's in charge, really inefficient.

Streamlining it would be nice, but difficult.

So I just take it how it is.

[Nellerin]

I'm American. I love pretty much all of the Constitution but I hate that it seems to be getting stepped on. If you expand this masterpiece, I think it sort of reflects how I feel:

image (http://50.56.243.79/images/image_map_zoom_images/the_forgotten_man.jpg)

Too bad this shows your ignorance. The picture acts as though Republics are all "good" and Obama is the big bad wolf. So far from the truth.

Although you did say that you though Palin was a good source of news commentary, so I understand where your ideas came from lol.

[Walter Powers]

Too bad this shows your ignorance. The picture acts as though Republics are all "good" and Obama is the big bad wolf. So far from the truth.

Although you did say that you though Palin was a good source of news commentary, so I understand where your ideas came from lol.

I guess you didn't look too closely at the piece. What's Kennedy pointing to?


Too many opinions in the US.

Makes our government, no matter who's in charge, really inefficient.

Streamlining it would be nice, but difficult.

So I just take it how it is.


Opinions are good. They give us new ideas and help improve ourselves. I would take the free exchange of ideas to everybody conforming to what I think is best anyday because I know I can't possibly be right about everything. Do you think you are right about everything or something?

[Nellerin]

I guess you didn't look to closely at the piece. What's Kennedy pointing to?

Yep I saw it, if Bush and the other Republicans were also stepping on the Constitution then it would mean something true.

Instead they made the secondary spotlight Obama stepping on it, and other people seeming to be in outrage (some of them.)

When in fact, Bush was the one that stepped on it. So it is false and nothing more than propaganda.

[Walter Powers]

Yep I saw it, if Bush and the other Republicans were also stepping on the Constitution then it would mean something true.

Instead they made the secondary spotlight Obama stepping on it, and other people seeming to be in outrage (some of them.)

When in fact, Bush was the one that stepped on it. So it is false and nothing more than propaganda.

What hasn't happened under Obama's administration that did under Bush's?

Obama's administration has refused to acknowledge a terrorist attack for political gain and two people were killed, abused the nation's tax enforcement entity to restrict the campaigning of his enemies, claimed the right to use shoot down Americans on our soil without trial, used the attorney general to forward his political agenda, and implemented The Unaffordable Care act under false pretenses. How's that for unconstitutional?

[Nellerin]

What hasn't happened under Obama's administration that did under Bush's?

Obama administration has refused to acknowledge a terrorist attack for political gain and two people were killed because of it, abused the nation's tax enforcement entity to restrict the campaigning of his enemies, claimed the right to use shoot down Americans on our soil without trial, and implemented The Unaffordable Care act under false pretenses. How's that for unconstitutional?

Well, as far as the Health Care Act, people will indeed save billions because of it.

And as to the the other things. Obama continued Drone Strikes and did not start them and he continued things like the NDAA/similar policies and did not start them.

These things primarily originated under Bush. What terrorist attack btw???

Again, the IRS Scandal is a screw-up but nothing new. And in my opinion, it was good because messing with the Tea Party is the best thing people can do, they are just so hilarious.

Honestly, they are not even threatening to Obama's power since they are absolutely the funniest thing ever.

[Walter Powers]

Well, as far as the Health Care Act, people will indeed save billions because of it.

And as to the the other things. Obama continued Drone Strikes and did not start them and he continued things like the NDAA/similar policies and did not start them.

These things primarily originated under Bush. What terrorist attack btw???

Again, the IRS Scandal is a screw-up but nothing new. And in my opinion, it was good because messing with the Tea Party is the best thing people can do, they are just so hilarious.

Honestly, they are not even threatening to Obama's power since they are absolutely the funniest thing ever.

I guess will see about ObamaCare saving us money in 2014, when it's fully implemented. Oh wait, the administration just pushed that date back to 2015, conveniently after the midterm congressional elections. I wonder why?

These things may have originated under Bush, but what has Obama done to stop them? Nothing. If you think they're stepping on the constitution, Obama would be just a guilty. It'd be much easier for him to repeal that law then for Bush to have it written.

I have a thread on the IRS scandal if you want to talk about it there. It'll tell you it's certainly more then a screw up and I certainly hope you are sarcastic when you say it's a good thing. Abuse of power for political gain is not a good thing, I don't care if you are the most left socialist on this entire planet, you don't deserve that. But we can talk about it on the "American Tax Scandal" thread I made.

I would argue the tea part is not threatening to Obama's power because the media, the IRS, and the local government agencies hate them while the fostered they embraced the occupy crowd.

[Nellerin]

I guess will see about ObamaCare saving us money in 2014, when it's fully implemented. Oh wait, the administration just pushed that date back to 2015, conveniently after the midterm congressional elections. I wonder why?

These things may have originated under Bush, but what has Obama done to stop them? Nothing. If you think they're stepping on the constitution, Obama would be just a guilty. It'd be much easier for him to repeal that law then for Bush to have it written.

I have a thread on the IRS scandal if you want to talk about it there. It'll tell you it's certainly more then a screw up and I certainly hope you are sarcastic when you say it's a good thing. Abuse of power for political gain is not a good thing, I don't care if you are the most left socialist on this entire planet, you don't deserve that. But we can talk about it on the "American Tax Scandal" thread I made.

I would argue the tea part is not threatening to Obama's power because the media, the IRS, and the local government agencies hate them while the fostered they embraced the occupy crowd.

Well they do not like the Tea Party because it is full of mentally disturbed or uneducated people. And, ya Obama has not stopped it. But no President can, it is the House/Senate/Corporations that are in control of this stuff, not the president.

[Walter Powers]

Well they do not like the Tea Party because it is full of mentally disturbed or uneducated people. And, ya Obama has not stopped it. But no President can, it is the House/Senate/Corporations that are in control of this stuff, not the president.

The thing is, whether you like it or not, he supports it.

And, stop demeaning the tea party. I'm serious. You don't see me calling occupy Wall Street a bunch of mentally disturbed or uneducated people, do you?

[Nellerin]

The thing is, whether you like it or not, he supports it.

And, stop demeaning the tea party. I'm serious. You don't see me calling occupy Wall Street a bunch of mentally disturbed or uneducated people, do you?

A lot of them were idiots. Where do you get off with your ideas. When I insulted Palin, you insulted Obama (when I had never mentioned him) now you insult the Occupy Wall street people (when I never brought it up.)

You act like I am some partisan person that is automatically for the other side. NOPE.

A lot of the people in the Occupy rallies were not very smart and had no message that made any sense.

[Thorn181]

Come on, some of your arguments aren´t actually rational or proved, just facts please

[Harry Smith]

I guess you didn't look too closely at the piece. What's Kennedy pointing to?





Opinions are good. They give us new ideas and help improve ourselves. I would take the free exchange of ideas to everybody conforming to what I think is best anyday because I know I can't possibly be right about everything. Do you think you are right about everything or something?

Kennedy is probably pointing to the suspicious guy on the 6th floor of the Texas school book depository.

Going back to Obama how is what he's done unconstitutional? I mean to be it seems like a buzz word that people use without actually justifying it

[Walter Powers]

Kennedy is probably pointing to the suspicious guy on the 6th floor of the Texas school book depository.

Going back to Obama how is what he's done unconstitutional? I mean to be it seems like a buzz word that people use without actually justifying it

While this guy wholes username starts with "s" think a the patriot act was unconstitutional, and I pointed out to him obama is letting it continue if it is.

Also, Obamacare. The federal government does not have the power to force commercial purchases.
Libya. Congress is given the power to wage war by the US constitution. Presidential authority for military action and how that relates to congress is defined by the war powers act. Which Obama flatly refused to abide by.
Finally, he's made appointments without congressional approval.

[Harry Smith]

While this guy wholes username starts with "s" think a the patriot act was unconstitutional, and I pointed out to him obama is letting it continue if it is.

Also, Obamacare. The federal government does not have the power to force commercial purchases.
Libya. Congress is given the power to wage war by the US constitution. Presidential authority for military action and how that relates to congress is defined by the war powers act. Which Obama flatly refused to abide by.
Finally, he's made appointments without congressional approval.

I think in regards to Libya since they're was no formal declaration of war then it doesn't need the approval of congress. I understand that the constitution was a great document but having your country solely governed by a document written over 200 years ago is impractical

[Walter Powers]

I think in regards to Libya since they're was no formal declaration of war then it doesn't need the approval of congress. I understand that the constitution was a great document but having your country solely governed by a document written over 200 years ago is impractical

Wait, what? The document works well to layout the basis for building our laws. It doesn't soley govern us, and nobody wants it to.

How do you think people wouldv'e reacted if bush went into Iraq without congressional approval? This is the same thing.

[Harry Smith]

Wait, what? The document works well to layout the basis for building our laws. It doesn't soley govern us, and nobody wants it to.

How do you think people wouldv'e reacted if bush went into Iraq without congressional approval? This is the same thing.

I know but it's the basis which stops many laws being passed unfairly. I mean christ if we followled what our politicians wanted 200 years ago life would be very different.

Prime example- All men are created Equal- who wants a slave?

Right to bear arms- Is this the militia's rights, the individual or the right to have bear arms in your house maybe?

Iraq and Libya are very different, in fact completely different.

Iraq lacked NATO or UN support and was actually a 'war of agression' where the opening move was made by the US to attack a Nation.

Libya had US and UN support, and under resolution 1973. It wasn't the US declaring war on Libya, it was the US providing support under the terms of the UN

[Walter Powers]

I know but it's the basis which stops many laws being passed unfairly. I mean christ if we followled what our politicians wanted 200 years ago life would be very different.

Prime example- All men are created Equal- who wants a slave?

Right to bear arms- Is this the militia's rights, the individual or the right to have bear arms in your house maybe?

Iraq and Libya are very different, in fact completely different.

Iraq lacked NATO or UN support and was actually a 'war of agression' where the opening move was made by the US to attack a Nation.

Libya had US and UN support, and under resolution 1973. It wasn't the US declaring war on Libya, it was the US providing support under the terms of the UN

The great thing about the Consititition is that it has a mechanism put in place to amend it for changing times.

Regardless, only Congress has the power to declare war. Nowhere in the Constitition does th President have discression in this matter.

[Harry Smith]

The great thing about the Consititition is that it has a mechanism put in place to amend it for changing times.

Regardless, only Congress has the power to declare war. Nowhere in the Constitition does th President have discression in this matter.

Obama didn't declare war on Libya, US troops were used under the NATO Command structure.

In a legal state the nation of the United States was not at war with Libya

[RyanCrest]

Seems like here in the "Land of Freedom" (USA), the government has to put regulations on our "freedoms"...which doesn't seem like freedom to me.

[Harry Smith]

Seems like here in the "Land of Freedom" (USA), the government has to put regulations on our "freedoms"...which doesn't seem like freedom to me.

The Land of Freedom? When the declaration of independence was signed they were selling slaves outside on the steps.

All men are created equal... who wants a slave?

[Walter Powers]

Seems like here in the "Land of Freedom" (USA), the government has to put regulations on our "freedoms"...which doesn't seem like freedom to me.

I totally agree.

[Capto]

No regulations is a ridiculous and almost unattainable ideal.

[Walter Powers]

No regulations is a ridiculous and almost unattainable ideal.

Who said we want NO regulations? To regulate means "to keep regular". The problem is the regulations have come to a level where they are counterintuitive and have loads of unintended consequences.

[Thorn181]

I am no american, but I think if you would live here in germany you would shoot yourself if you complain about your mass of regulations etc. :D

[Capto]

I am no american, but I think if you would live here in germany you would shoot yourself if you complain about your mass of regulations etc. :D

If I could give you reputation points, I would. But I can't. XD

[Thorn181]

If I could give you reputation points, I would. But I can't. XD

Thanks :D