capitalism

[tovaris]

Capitalism... As a sistem it replaced the dreded fevdalism, but is it good enouth? Many people think that its role in mankinds history is ower and many theories have been presented to replace it.
Capitalism is a sistem in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, example: loock at the map of the world what countries are rich and which arent (?), Why?! Because capitalism is desined in such a way. As said many alternatives are being propoesed and try to sucseed in replacing It.
Whyt is your opinion on he mather?


My opinion is that we need to get rid of capitalism as soon as posible (for clue whith what i vant to replace it with loock at my avatar). Capitalism is bleading the wirld dry, we need to do something so our grandchildren can live in a just, far,... world of equalety; where decent and amaunt of colored paper doesnt mather.

[Harry Smith]

we all know where this is going to lead to don't we....

[britishboy]

no new system is needed britian has some of the best workers rights in the world (and im assuming so does america etc) and if there is a problem, change the laws not the system

[Left Now]

I agree it has to be replaced by a new system but if you are trying to say communism has to be replaced with it,i'm against it.

[tovaris]

I agree it has to be replaced by a new system but if you are trying to say communism has to be replaced with it,i'm against it.

that is only mi opinion, what would you replace it with?

we all know where this is going to lead to don't we....

This is a debate about capitalism. Would you like to keep it or replace it (Why?)? What would you replace it with (why?)? Why would you ikeep it? /.../

[tovaris]

jžšna se vid da je praznk

[Left Now]

For my own country,as a semi-capitalist state,Equal-Commercialism,for the others i do not know.Maybe still Capitalism is good for countries like US and UK,and the New-Communism is good for nations like PRC...

[tovaris]

For my own country,as a semi-capitalist state,Equal-Commercialism,for the others i do not know.Maybe still Capitalism is good for countries like US and UK.

Interesting, but do you realy think capitalism (that is unchagned) is good for the People?

[Left Now]

Well,you have to watch at conditions too;For example UK is a good-economic based country with a lot of money and land and low population.With the money which they have,they can provide free healthcare,education and welfare for their regular people,also with that money they can help the poors too.When the capitalism is there,then the government will gain more money and so then,the government will provide better urban services for the citizens of that country.
But for example for a country like PRC,capitalism is not useful,because during the enriching the population,many will die from hunger or being homeless,but the new- communism system can be more useful there;

However,both of them are useless for my country,because if we have capitalism here,then our regular class of people will suffer a lot because of it,if we have communism here,then nobody will get his or her own real right from financial opportunities.I think the EIC system is the best for my country,which we are going to get closser to it.

[Walter Powers]

Capitalism... As a sistem it replaced the dreded fevdalism, but is it good enouth? Many people think that its role in mankinds history is ower and many theories have been presented to replace it.
Capitalism is a sistem in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, example: loock at the map of the world what countries are rich and which arent (?), Why?! Because capitalism is desined in such a way. As said many alternatives are being propoesed and try to sucseed in replacing It.
Whyt is your opinion on he mather?


My opinion is that we need to get rid of capitalism as soon as posible (for clue whith what i vant to replace it with loock at my avatar). Capitalism is bleading the wirld dry, we need to do something so our grandchildren can live in a just, far,... world of equalety; where decent and amaunt of colored paper doesnt mather.

Capitalism has made America the most powerful nation on earth...we make 50 grand a year a piece! It doesn't need to change.

Like britishboy said, there is a reason "communist" is an insult.

[Cygnus]

Capitalism has made America the most powerful nation on earth...we make 50 grand a year a piece! It doesn't need to change.

Like britishboy said, there is a reason "communist" is an insult.

Capitalism is also destroying the US from the inside, so its not the best thing out there. Nor is communism.

[Harry Smith]

that is only mi opinion, what would you replace it with?



This is a debate about capitalism. Would you like to keep it or replace it (Why?)? What would you replace it with (why?)? Why would you ikeep it? /.../

Keep it, it has worked well for the last 100 years

[tovaris]

Keep it, it has worked well for the last 100 years

But i heyr you like public helthcare, that is adjusted capitalism that stil difers from the pure version, would you like to adjust it more or keep it the same as it is today in your country?

[Harry Smith]

But i heyr you like public helthcare, that is adjusted capitalism that stil difers from the pure version, would you like to adjust it more or keep it the same as it is today in your country?

keep it the same, that's social-ism. Everything differs from the ideological version

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Capitalism is a good system, But I must say, I prefer the idea of Socialism.

[Walter Powers]

Capitalism is a good system, But I must say, I prefer the idea of Socialism.

Why? Under capitalism, people compete and thus generate more wealth. Plus, it's much more fair because your earnings are more proportionate to how hard you work.

[Sugaree]

Capitalism... As a sistem it replaced the dreded fevdalism, but is it good enouth? Many people think that its role in mankinds history is ower and many theories have been presented to replace it.
Capitalism is a sistem in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, example: loock at the map of the world what countries are rich and which arent (?), Why?! Because capitalism is desined in such a way. As said many alternatives are being propoesed and try to sucseed in replacing It.
Whyt is your opinion on he mather?


My opinion is that we need to get rid of capitalism as soon as posible (for clue whith what i vant to replace it with loock at my avatar). Capitalism is bleading the wirld dry, we need to do something so our grandchildren can live in a just, far,... world of equalety; where decent and amaunt of colored paper doesnt mather.

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This is literally you.

[LuciferSam]

In properly run capitalism, people work, and earn what they deserve. Corruption of the system has occured, and it has caused some problems, but that is a reason to revise the system, not get rid of it. Communism takes things from everybody, whether they cheated others to get it or if they earned it fairly, and gives it out to people. People who cheat others out of money need to be punished, but not those who actually earn it. Some of the poor truly are deserving of assistance, but many are also housing project deadbeats who somehow afford XBoxes, iPhones and flatscreen TVs. We need a safety net for those who really need it, not a "give free stuff to losers" system.

BTW, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being rich, but people with billions of dollars that they could never spend in their lifetime ought to have some kind of moral obligation to do good with their money. (i.e. Bill Gates)

[tovaris]

In properly run capitalism, people work, and earn what they deserve. Corruption of the system has occured, and it has caused some problems, but that is a reason to revise the system, not get rid of it. Communism takes things from everybody, whether they cheated others to get it or if they earned it fairly, and gives it out to people. People who cheat others out of money need to be punished, but not those who actually earn it. Some of the poor truly are deserving of assistance, but many are also housing project deadbeats who somehow afford XBoxes, iPhones and flatscreen TVs. We need a safety net for those who really need it, not a "give free stuff to losers" system.

BTW, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being rich, but people with billions of dollars that they could never spend in their lifetime ought to have some kind of moral obligation to do good with their money. (i.e. Bill Gates)

How would you "revise" change capitalism?

[WaffleSingSong]

Capitalism, for the most part, can be a very good system. However, most countries that implement Capitalism, especially laissez faire influenced systems like the U.S.A and China's SEZ's, are horribly corrupt. The original intent of capitalism was to give everyone an equal chance at success so long if they put the extra effort in. However, the ones that raced to the ladder first will hardly will not let anyone else get on there shoes. How? Buying off small businesses, bribing politicians, getting international cheap labor ect.

How to fix this? Simple. Government needs to make the free market a level playing field, letting small businesses grow and letting corporations stay where they are. Also, people need to get educated, FOR FREE, as I bet almost every billionaire out there is disgusted with the idea of free education. Think about it, why did the slave owners in the 1800's did not want there slaves educated? Because, a dumb sheep is easier to herd than a smart human. If we educate people, we would not need unions or large amounts of welfare. Education is the key for the impoverished to rise up the ladder. THAT is what will fix Capitalism. But for now, its a shitty system, at least in the U.S, and, if Karl Marx was talking about how Capitalism will stab itself in the back, he was right on a lot of occasions.

Now, Socialism, or at least the pure form of it, is of course far from reality. We dream in Socialism, but we wake up in Capitalism.

[Capto]

If a government interferes with a free market, is it still a free market?

[britishboy]

If a government interferes with a free market, is it still a free market?

depends on how they interfer:)

[WaffleSingSong]

If a government interferes with a free market, is it still a free market?

If they let the business produce the goods they want, how much they want it and when to do so, then, yes, it is still a free market. Completely free market will just stab itself in the back, there would be a oligopoly that will dominate everything and close any small businesses from being successful. That's why the government sometimes needs to break that lock and let some smaller businesses become larger.

[Capto]

If they let the business produce the goods they want, how much they want it and when to do so, then, yes, it is still a free market. Completely free market will just stab itself in the back, there would be a oligopoly that will dominate everything and close any small businesses from being successful. That's why the government sometimes needs to break that lock and let some smaller businesses become larger.

The sort of intervention you spoke of in your first post is too much for a free market.

[WaffleSingSong]

The sort of intervention you spoke of in your first post is too much for a free market.

I do not understand how, Look at Scandinavia, they have been doing it and now they have the best standards of living on earth. Is that not the point of Capitalism, to improve your standard of living? If it needs a sprinkle of government regulation, as long as that it is making the right amount of people richer instead of a few gaining hundreds of billions of dollars that they will never use, I do not see why that is a problem.

[Capto]

Scandinavia's not capitalist.

[Sugaree]

If a government interferes with a free market, is it still a free market?

Pretty much this. Any government interference with a free market therefor qualifies that market as not being free.

depends on how they interfer:)

That's like saying "I'm a free person, but you can interfere in my life on your accord, but I'll still consider myself free." Do you see something wrong with that statement? If you don't, I'm seriously worried for you.

[WaffleSingSong]

Scandinavia's not capitalist.

They have been for quite some time. Free enterprise is still practiced there, if a bit harshly. Even Sweden, Iceland and Finland today are ran by classical liberal parties. Now, I do not want more than three quarters of all of a company's profits to go directly to the governments budget, but I am against letting businesses grow way to big.

[britishboy]

Pretty much this. Any government interference with a free market therefor qualifies that market as not being free.



That's like saying "I'm a free person, but you can interfere in my life on your accord, but I'll still consider myself free." Do you see something wrong with that statement? If you don't, I'm seriously worried for you.

I see what you mean but think of this, do you agree im free? because I can do whatever I want apart from kill, trespass or steal, see what I mean?

[Sugaree]

I see what you mean but think of this, do you agree im free? because I can do whatever I want apart from kill, trespass or steal, see what I mean?

Yet freedom comes with a cost. Of course you can't kill, trespass or steal, because that's invasion of someone else's freedom of body, privacy and property. That argument can be easily taken down.

[Capto]

They have been for quite some time. Free enterprise is still practiced there, if a bit harshly. Even Sweden, Iceland and Finland today are ran by classical liberal parties. Now, I do not want more than three quarters of all of a company's profits to go directly to the governments budget, but I am against letting businesses grow way to big.

If you're against letting businesses growing, then you're going to have to implement several measures that will indeed limit and hamper the freedoms and growths of other corporations and businesses.

[britishboy]

Yet freedom comes with a cost. Of course you can't kill, trespass or steal, because that's invasion of someone else's freedom of body, privacy and property. That argument can be easily taken down.

the same thing applys to the free market, its controled to a certain degree for customer safery and stuff like that

[WaffleSingSong]

If you're against letting businesses growing, then you're going to have to implement several measures that will indeed limit and hamper the freedoms and growths of other corporations and businesses.

True, but corporations will do this naturally as well, and harsher. At least the government is a nonbaised third party in the solution. A business does not need to be like Disneyland, where they have there own President and private police force, which is insane. Thats what happens when the economy is not held on a leash. If you let small businesses grow, they will eventually prove enough competition to stifle corporations themselves, but there still is going to be that Ma and Pa shop that can not survive on its own when big business is eying it like a hawk.

[Capto]

True, but corporations will do this naturally as well, and harsher. At least the government is a nonbaised third party in the solution. A business does not need to be like Disneyland, where they have there own President and private police force, which is insane. Thats what happens when the economy is not held on a leash. If you let small businesses grow, they will eventually prove enough competition to stifle corporations themselves, but there still is going to be that Ma and Pa shop that can not survive on its own when big business is eying it like a hawk.

The government is unbiased?

[WaffleSingSong]

The government is unbiased?

It can be, if they learn to stop suckling on Ronald McDonald's tit. But now? No. Thats why you need to give small businesses a fighting chance, which will eventually equalize the market to the point where the corporation will not have as tight of a hold on congress. But I do agree, most of them have corporate money in there pockets, which is one of the main reasons why there needs to be an interventionist policy regarding larger and smaller businesses to not compete with each other and let them compete on a level playing field.

[Capto]

It can be, if they learn to stop suckling on Ronald McDonald's tit. But now? No. Thats why you need to give small businesses a fighting chance, which will eventually equalize the market to the point where the corporation will not have as tight of a hold on congress.

Then who will give the small businesses a chance? Not the government, surely. The government receives huge bonuses from having large corporations based in their nations. Why would they help small businesses?

[tovaris]

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[WaffleSingSong]

Then who will give the small businesses a chance? Not the government, surely. The government receives huge bonuses from having large corporations based in their nations. Why would they help small businesses?

Activist movements can fund smaller businesses like CATO and the Libertarian Party. I did not say such a policy is possible, but if we want to fix our capitalism, one way to start is, like I said before, educate people. We need to give poorer people a chance at collegiate education, which would give him a chance to work high up the ladder and open up the natural distribution of money a bit.

Note, that I know most of the government will not accept these ideals now, but many of the right people are gaining ground in politics, and it is only a matter of time before they reach the WH.

[Capto]

Activist movements can fund smaller businesses like CATO and the Libertarian Party. I did not say such a policy is possible, but if we want to fix our capitalism, one way to start is, like I said before, educate people. We need to give poorer people a chance at collegiate education, which would give him a chance to work high up the ladder and open up the natural distribution of money a bit.

Note, that I know most of the government will not accept these ideals now, but many of the right people are gaining ground in politics, and it is only a matter of time before they reach the WH.

Educating the proletarian is anti-capitalist in nature.

[WaffleSingSong]

Educating the proletarian is anti-capitalist in nature.

How? They need an equal opportunity to get an education and get a decent job, and isn't Capitalism made to make normal people into successful people? Why can't we give that working class person a chance to be successful instead of keeping him a dumb sheep?

Being Anti Capitalist is not believing the ideal of businesses to make profit and keep money flowing. I have no ideal why that idea is Anti Capitalist in any degree.

[Capto]

Capitalism is a socioeconomic system, not a political system. It's based on private ownership of capital. What I was talking about was one of Marx's key ideals. Granting education and skill to the proletarian gives them a chance to view their peril under the yoke of the capitalist.

[tovaris]

Activist movements can fund smaller businesses like CATO and the Libertarian Party. I did not say such a policy is possible, but if we want to fix our capitalism, one way to start is, like I said before, educate people. We need to give poorer people a chance at collegiate education, which would give him a chance to work high up the ladder and open up the natural distribution of money a bit.

Note, that I know most of the government will not accept these ideals now, but many of the right people are gaining ground in politics, and it is only a matter of time before they reach the WH.

Drifting onto socialism arent we...

[WaffleSingSong]

Drifting onto socialism arent we...

I like to call it "Social Capitalism."

Socialism is when the means of production are publicly owned, either by the government or by people as a whole. There is still business, there is still competition at a level playing field. Left winged politics can include Capitalism, contrary to popular belief.

Capitalism is a socioeconomic system, not a political system. It's based on private ownership of capital. What I was talking about was one of Marx's key ideals. Granting education and skill to the proletarian gives them a chance to view their peril under the yoke of the capitalist.

You want people to be uneducated sheep, slaves of the market? To me that seems extremely unethical, and to me if there is a chance of success everyone should have an equal chance. How they get there depends on how hard they work and if the product they have is of any good. Right now, the super wealthy will limit anyone else's chance from being numero uno, if they deserve it or not. Thats why we need a little bit of government intervention until the education system educates everybody to have an equal chance to be a success.

[LuciferSam]

How would you "revise" change capitalism?

I'm personally not quite sure how the change can be exacted, but things that need to change are scam artist bankers and businessmen out to rip people off. Capitalism can exist without these.